[DeTomaso] Rear upright removal, photo gallery

Sun Jun 29 15:23:08 EDT 2008

Not a bad possibility, however I laid them down on a thick (2½") piece 
of insulating foam, not the concrete floor.  I don't think it's a stud, 
but I'll check into it, thanks for the tip.

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired

& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA

1973 Pantera L 5533
[ASASCAT]

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http://www.351c.info

Mike Thomas wrote:
> Asa
>
> On the dragging sound, it's possible that when you swung the upright down
> and rested it on it's nose that one or more of the wheel studs where pushed
> in slightly, and the head of the stud is simply contacting the upright as it
> turns.
>
> I got my rebuilds back from Larry Stock and they both sounded as you
> described, scared the crap out of me after all the $$ I had spent.  I simply
> laid the upright on it's back on the garage floor, put the wheel on and
> snugged down the lug nuts.  When I took the wheel back off, everything was
> smooth and quiet.
>
> Mike Thomas
> Panteras Northwest
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 11:12 PM
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Rear upright removal, photo gallery
>
> In the continuing saga of living vicariously through others, we bring you
> the disassembly of the rear end in Pantera 5533.
>
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com/gallery2/v/asajay/rear_susp/
>
>
> After removing the brake calipers and wiring them up out of the way, I first
> removed the coil-over shocks.  Then the upper ball joint was hammered loose.
> The sway bar brackets were taken off and the a-arms removed.  Before
> removing the lower a-arm completely though, I did disassemble the lower
> shaft assembly in the upright.
>
> So, what so folks have been going through to remove the shaft, was -not-
> what I was met with.  When I first took the ball joint loose, I found the
> upright pivoted on the shaft sufficiently to allow it plenty of travel.  In
> fact, the passenger side shaft seemed almost loose, the upright moving
> freely for over 90 degrees.
>
> Once out, the shafts appeared to be in great shape, the inner sleeves looked
> a bit more worn and in fact on one, it looked like some of the bronze (or is
> it brass?  It looked like bronze to me) bushing inside the upright had stuck
> to the sleeve.  See this photo:
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com/gallery2/v/asajay/rear_susp/P6280043.JPG.ht
> ml
>
> See the bronze looking stuff on the left?  That part didn't clean off as
> well and seemed to be pretty well stuck to the sleeve.  This worries me a
> little bit.  What I need an answer to is if this bushing is available.  If
> so, I should probably go to the trouble of replacing them.  Otherwise the
> shafts and sleeves look pretty good.  See the other photos.  Any
> suggestions?  Should I get kits from a vendor to replace them all or just
> lube it all up and re-install?
>
> The last thing that gives me some worry, although I could not get any
> movement out of the axles while on the car, once out and spinning them
> freely on the bench, I get a little metal on metal sound.  It's very smooth,
> like someone dragging a piece of tin across the rotor and only happens in
> one position of the circumference.  It does not sound like a bearing but you
> can never quite tell.  Using my poor man's stethoscope, I listened at the
> hub, the disk, the upright and the bearing race (or seal), and it definitely
> sounded like it was coming from the bearing assembly.  However, the axle on
> that upright moves very smoothly through the entire travel, in fact, a quick
> flick of the wrist puts the assembly in motion for a good six or seven
> revolutions before it drags to a stop. 
>
> The passenger side was a bit different.  This time, I could hear what
> sounded like the "clack-clack" of bearings striking each other on the first
> couple of turns, and then the sound when away (redistribution of grease?).
> Wait a little while, turn the axle again and it would "clack-clack" for a
> couple turns and go away.  This upright however would only spin for one and
> a half revolutions before stopping, i.e. 
> lots of drag on this one.
>
> So, I guess I'm going to be removing axles.  <sigh> I could use some good
> pointers on how to do this.  The Northwest Pantera chapter was kind enough
> to send me the spanner, so I at least have that.  Thanks go to John Maffeo
> for loaning me the spanner.  How do I hold the entire assembly, to keep it
> from turning, while I try and muscle off the axle nut?  How many people does
> this normally take.  Do I need an overdose of gamma radiation before taking
> on this challenge?  <sigh>
>
> In other news, I now need to get a party together to pull the ZF.  It's a
> good time to do it and I just got a good set of seals and gaskets from
> Marino so I can stop some of the leaks I have before I go racing.  Funny how
> they don't like leaks on the racetrack
> :)
>
> My new brake hoses arrived as well as the caliper rebuild kits.  As for the
> axle bearings, I better start checking the deTomaso database entries.
>
> Overall it was a good day, things came apart very nicely and I was thrilled
> to not have frozen shafts.
>
> I'll see you guys tomorrow.
> Asa Jay
>
> <boy I can sure see how one thing leads to another and pretty soon a guy (or
> girl) has their Pantera all apart and waiting to go back together over the
> course of several years.  as others will attest to, one of my primary goals
> in driving this Pantera was to never have it down for maintenance more than
> a weekend.  Well, this latest adventure is taking a whole lot longer than
> that..
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
>
> 1973 Pantera L 5533
> [ASASCAT]
>     
> ******************************     
> http://www.asajay.com
> http://www.351c.info
>   
>
>
>
> John Taphorn wrote:
>   
>> I recently helped an individual overseas by obtaining keys locally for his
>>     
> Pantera and sending them to him.
>   
>> The quest ended up tougher than I expected.  To make a long story short,
>>     
> my local supplier had thrown out his older inventory of keys that I assumed
> he still had.  This included over 90 Pantera keys!!!
>   
>> We were able to track down replacements; however, I had to purchase 10 of
>>     
> each blank even though we required only three sets.
>   
>> Thus, I have seven sets of Pantera keys for sale.  Each includes the
>>     
> ignition and door/decklid.  The sets are for sale for $5 plus shipping.
>   
>> First come, first served.  E-mail me if you would like a set or more.
>>
>> Thanks
>> JT
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