[DeTomaso] ZONKEY's Appraisal

Tue Jun 17 18:26:00 EDT 2008

Will, go with the 4.6 with Webers.

-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
Behalf Of Will Kooiman
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:50 PM
To: 'detomaso'
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZONKEY's Appraisal

I feel like a guy with 2 hot girlfriends.

It's hard to look at the 4.6 crate engines available today and not one want
one - especially when r.b. and others have had so much success with them.

But then, I walk through the garage and look at the 351C with Webers.  It's
hard to pass the engine on the stand and not want to put it right back in -
with 8 pistons this time.

At least that's how I imagine it would feel with 2 hot girlfriends.  ;-)

I'm going to stick with the blonde for now (351C).  I might try the brunette
in a couple of years.

DO NOT tell my wife about this.

Will.

-----Original Message-----
From: David in Durango [mailto:adin at frontier.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:25 PM
To: Richard Barkley; Will Kooiman; detomaso
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZONKEY's Appraisal

I bet old Will has 4.6stars in his eyes now.  I saw the previous motor - it 
ain't pretty.

Will, thanks for the hospitality, although that dawg scared the bejeebus out

of me . . .

Cheers,

David in Durango, 25mpg through the heat.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Barkley" <rlbpantera at earthlink.net>
To: "Will Kooiman" <wkooiman at earthlink.net>; "detomaso" 
<detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZONKEY's Appraisal

> Will,
> I was asking myself these kinds of questions while I was pulling the
> engine and taking off other parts.
>
> I am totally happy with the 4.6 conversion. It's run absolutely
> flawlessly since I drove it to Silver State in Sept. '01, leaving home
> with about 75 mi on the engine. It's now showing 14,700. When I drained
> the coolant, it was perfectly clear and there was not a hint of rust. Of
> course everything (I think) it touches is either aluminum, stainless, or
> rubber, so I guess there shouldn't be. So yes, I'd absolutely do it again.
>
> When I did it, there was very little in the way of after market stuff to
> make more power. Now I think there is. But even basically stock as mine
> is I'm getting about 290 RWHP. Depending on whose RW to Crank inflation
> factor you want to use that's something like 360 to 385. More than
> enough for me. And no, I don't miss the low-rpm torque. The torque curve
> is pretty flat and above 240 (RWTQ) from 2.5K to 6K rpm. Max is about
> 282 over the 4.2K to 5.1K band. And, try this with your high output
> Cleveland, I can pull away smoothly starting at, say, 1000 rpm with my
> foot on the floor. Nothing exciting happens, just a smooth increase in
> power. Another thing I was pleased by is that I was on the dyno at a
> club dyno day over a year (and maybe 5K miles) after my initial dyno
> runs and got essentially identical dyno results and the engine hadn't
> been touched. It can't tell you how many times I've seen Panteras,
> presumably recently tuned, hop on the dyno and things just don't run
> very well; they're popping and belching and frequently sort of crap out
> at the high end.
>
> As for doing anything different, no not really. Although I'm going to
> look into getting my EEC (computer) permanently reprogrammed (I'm
> currently running a custom chip that accesses through the "service
> port") to eliminate the possible failure of the chip or its connection.
>
> Not related to the motor but one of the things I was very glad I did was
> use anti-seize on all the threads. At the time, and I posted in '99
> about it, I used a ceramic based hight temp compound from Griot's
> Garage. One advantage was that it was white and very easy to clean up
> after. It worked very well and even my stainless bolts holding the
> muffler to the header came right off. They don't seem to offer it any
> more. So I searched to see what else I could find. The nickel version of
> this anti-seize tape line looks like it would be great and have no clean
> up issue at all.
> http://www.antiseize.com/index.htm?bycatgry.htm and click on POLY-TEMPR
> NICKEL Tape (36300)
> If you have trouble with that link, try this http://tinyurl.com/5nnc7e
>
> Richard
>
> Will Kooiman wrote:
>> Ouch.
>>
>> I've been meaning to ask.
>>
>> How do you feel about your 4.6 conversion now that you've had it together
>> for a while?
>>
>> If you were doing it all over again, would you?
>>
>> Would you do anything different?
>>
>> Do you miss the low-rpm torque of the 351C?
>>
>> I'll stop at 4 questions.
>>
>> Will.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
>> On
>> Behalf Of Richard Barkley
>> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 11:09 PM
>> To: detomaso
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] ZONKEY's Appraisal
>>
>> I just got an appraisal report on ZONKEY's current value. The guy who
>> came to do it seemed quite knowledgeable about cars in general,
>> frequently judges in concurs events and back in the '70s had a close
>> friend who had a Pantera and the two of them took it to speed events on
>> the local dry lake. He was very impressed with my car and appraised it
>> at $66K and was aware that I'd done much of the work myself. As another
>> data point, I asked Dave Adler at the PI Xmas event last year what he
>> thought it was worth. Without much thought (but he is quite familiar
>> with the car) he said $70K to $90K. I thought that was a bit high, but
>> maybe not.
>>
>> You might be wondering why he was appraised. Some of you at Vegas heard
>> that ZONKEY got bumped in the rear as I was getting on the Pasadena
>> Freeway. It was dark and just starting to drizzle. The Pasadena fwy has
>> the unique feature of requiring you to come to a stop less than about
>> 100 ft (maybe it's only 50) before the on ramp merges with the traffic.
>> Here's a Google map view of the intersection.
>> http://tinyurl.com/47ed4a
>> The two white cars (one on the on ramp) are about where it happened. I
>> came to a stop. Saw a hole and started to accelerate. The ground was wet
>> and being the first rain of the season the road was quite slick from 6
>> months of oil drippings. I could feel the rear end break loose so I
>> stopped before I got on the Fwy. I waited for another hole and was just
>> about to take off when the guy behind me saw the same hole. Thud. He
>> hadn't noticed I was still there.
>>
>> Wilkinson will be handling the repair. I decided that I wanted to pull
>> the engine out and Steve also suggested removing much of the interior
>> as a precaution. So over the weekend through Wed. I did that. The tow
>> truck came early Thurs. am. The preliminary repair estimate last Jan.
>> was that it would probably be over $10K to fix it. The guy who hit me
>> only had $10K of liability so now my ins. is taking the lead.
>>
>> I've posted some pictures of the damage:
>> http://gallery.mac.com/rbarkley67#100016&bgcolor=black&view=mosaic&sel=1
>> the user name is pantera and the password is zonkey (all lower case).
>>
>> I'll keep the list posted on the progress. Hopefully he'll be as good or
>> better than before.
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>
> -- 
> ----- 
> Sincerely, Richard Barkley
>
> To Ski or not to Ski, that is the question!
>
> Richard Barkley (310) 373-6695 (home)
> E-mail:  rlbpantera <atsign> earthlink.net
> ZONKEY'S home page: http://home.earthlink.net/~rlbpantera
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>
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