[DeTomaso] Man Up Re: Third fan / cooling problems at idle.

Wed Jul 23 12:51:46 EDT 2008

You need to MAN-UP girly-man. Cruising along at baby-boy speeds without also running a track event and and open road race in Nevada, Texas, Nebraska  or Mexico and if you haven't broke and fixed your ride on the side of the road that still leaves you in SLACKER TOWN.

  And cutting off Soccer Moms in mini-vans doesn't count either.   

  Who's your daddy!

  Dawg
  msm at portata.com wrote:
  You're all slackers. Unsubscribe me.

I drove my Pantera 600 miles from Las Vegas, across the desert, and back
to the Bay Area without any fans. 

It's not the size of your fan; it's the motion of the air flow through
your radiator. You get plenty of air flow at speed as long as you don't
use your brakes like some slacker, wiener dog.

Even Sandra Bullock could drive a bus through LA without hitting the
brakes or dropping below 50 MPH. If you can't out drive Sandra in a
bus, you need to hang it up.

-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
On Behalf Of Mad Dog Antenucci
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 4:13 PM
To: doug at silicondesigns.com
Cc: DeTomaso Forum
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Third fan / cooling problems at idle.

Okay I understand the point slacker ;-]> 

I am just trying to understand why anyone needs 3 fans when ONE fan
will do the same job.

Doug Braun wrote:
That's the point MD. Stock fans are lucky to provide 500 CFM apiece.
By
adding a 3rd 1200 or so CFM fan to the back, it'll total to a little
more
flow of your setup which you have proven is adequate.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: Mad Dog Antenucci [mailto:teampantera at yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:33 AM
To: doug at silicondesigns.com; Kjetil Finne; ERPIKE at cs.com;
detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Third fan / cooling problems at idle.

My single sucker fan moves something like 1800cfm which is what I have
used on the back side of the Pantera's race cup radiator with no
problems
for 2+ years.

Doesn't matter if I am at WOT on the track or an open road race or stuck
in traffic on a hot summer day. Mike Trusty and Dick Drenske who are
both
mechanical engineers can confirm what I have been telling you slackers
;-]>
for 2 years.

Dawg

Doug Braun wrote:
My third fan suggestion to Chris is mainly for those owners who still
have
the stock front mounted pusher fans. IMHO, the stock fans have
insufficient
air flow capacity to cool the radiator. A centrally located, 13 or 14"
puller fan in the rear is a simple and inexpensive way to remedy this.
Such
1200 to 1500 CFM fans are readily available on eBay for $30 to $50. For
those who have converted to more powerful dual front pusher or dual rear
puller fans, the third fan is likely unnecessary weight.

Doug Braun
blue 73L #5505

-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
[mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of Kjetil Finne
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 9:59 AM
To: ERPIKE at cs.com; detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Third fan / cooling problems at idle.

What I have found is that if you have cooling problems at idle it is
most likely caused by insufficient coolant circulation, not by not
having enough air over the radiator.
The heat generated by the engine should be less at idle than at higher
speeds. (I guess?)

Kjetil

ERPIKE at cs.com wrote:
> Chris:
> I noticed you have 3 fans. Did the 3rd fan help with cooling when you
have
to sit and ilde alot?
>
> Ed...
>
> Christopher Kimball wrote:
>
>
>> What I did was to tap into the wires at each fan motor (I have
three--much to Mad Dawg's chagrin!) using the positive and negative
leads
right before they went into the fan motors and ran the thee pairs of
wire to
the dash. I drilled three little holes above the headlight switch and
mounted three different colored LEDs (which I bought at Radio
Shack--made
especially for 12 volts) so now I know exactly when each fan is
operating.
>>
>> The LEDs must be hooked up correctly with the positive side to the
positive wire and negative to negative.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> #3846
>>
>>
>>> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
>>> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 00:36:38 -0400
>>> To: adin at frontier.net; detomaso at realbig.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] indicator light
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 7/19/08 17 37 44, adin at frontier.net writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I need to have a little light to let me know when the cooling fans
>>>> come on (ford, but not pantera) . . . it seems one could just take
12v
>>>> off the fan to a light. It also seems this is a fire waiting to
>>>> happen - do I need to take the power off the relay???
>>>>
>>>> Help please . . .
>>>>
>>>> electronically challenged I remain,
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Dave,
>>>
>>> De Tomaso was way ahead of you--there is a fan indicator light
sitting
right
>>> there at the bottom of your speedometer!
>>>
>>> That light is amber in color, and moron Lincoln Mercury customers
interpreted
>>> that as a WARNING light and this drew complaints. So after early
1972,
it
>>> was left unconnected.
>>>
>>> It is a very simple matter to string a wire from the output side of
your
#2
>>> fan relay back to this light. Voila! :>)
>>>
>>> Actually, if you string it from the output side, where 12V flows to
the
fan
>>> motor, then the spinning fan might cause the light to glow when it
is
spinning,
>>> but not powered. Come to think of it, it's probably better to string
the
>>> wire from the input to the fan relay, where the relay gets its "turn
on
the fan"
>>> signal from the thermoswitch in the radiator.
>>>
>>> Mike

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