[DeTomaso] LeMans Classic 2008

Colin Bradshaw Colin.Bradshaw2 at btinternet.com
Wed Jan 2 07:06:06 EST 2008


Just booked this morning with the Pantera, see you in the campsite!
Colin Bradshaw UK

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>   1. Can/Am Meeting Spring '08 (Will Demelo)
>   2. Re: Can/Am Meeting Spring '08 (Will Demelo)
>   3. Re: Pantera aerodynamics (Charles Engles)
>   4. Revised Sound of Thunder (Michael Shortt)
>   5. Le Mans Classic 2008 (Charles McCall)
>   6. Re: Can/Am Meeting Spring '08 (Mark McWhinney)
>   7. Re: Engine Carburetion Experts (Daniel C Jones)
>   8. Re: Engine Carburetion Experts (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 12:06:04 -0500
> From: "Will Demelo" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Can/Am Meeting Spring '08
> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> Happy New Year to all my Pantera friends.
>
> I am considering organizing a meeting  for Canadian and American Pantera 
> owners in the spring of '08.
> I am considering and have contacted the Fallsview Casino in Niagara Falls, 
> Canada. This is a top-notch hotel with something to do for everyone.
> They are going to ask how many people will be attending.
> I need a show of hands of those that would come out for a weekend.
> There will be eating, drinking, gambling and of coarse, Panteras. What 
> could make for a better weekend?
> Who's in?
> Don't say you'll come unless you really intend to.
> Will D.
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 12:50:38 -0500
> From: "Will Demelo" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Can/Am Meeting Spring '08
> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> When is Parump and other events so I can chose a weekend that doesn't 
> conflict?
> Will
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Tom Di Iulio
>  To: Will Demelo
>  Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:41 PM
>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Can/Am Meeting Spring '08
>
>
>  dude, that sounds great but it's too close to pahrump for me to swing 
> time (and money) for both. what a cool destination though!
>
>
>  On Jan 1, 2008 10:06 AM, Will Demelo <wdemelo at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
>    Happy New Year to all my Pantera friends.
>
>    I am considering organizing a meeting  for Canadian and American 
> Pantera owners in the spring of '08.
>    I am considering and have contacted the Fallsview Casino in Niagara 
> Falls, Canada. This is a top-notch hotel with something to do for 
> everyone.
>    They are going to ask how many people will be attending.
>    I need a show of hands of those that would come out for a weekend.
>    There will be eating, drinking, gambling and of coarse, Panteras. What 
> could make for a better weekend?
>    Who's in?
>    Don't say you'll come unless you really intend to.
>    Will D.
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:03:20 -0600
> From: "Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera aerodynamics
> To: <JDeRyke at aol.com>
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> Dear Uncle Jack,
>
>
>                 I have just perused all the PI issues from start until the 
> shift to color covers.  Zippo.   My Profile collection doesn't start until 
> 1987, which is suspect is not early enough.   Any, umm, luck finding that 
> picture in your collection of early Profiles?  At your convenience........
>
>
>                                 Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
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>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: JDeRyke at aol.com
>  To: cengles at cox.net
>  Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
>  Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 11:52 PM
>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera aerodynamics
>
>
>  They were in early issues of the POCA news, Profiles (then simply called 
> 'Quarterly') and some P.I magazines, which all used to feature more 
> competition events than happens now. And all this predates the internet so 
> if you're really interested, I can dig them out and scan them. It'll take 
> a while.... Happy New Year- J DeRyke
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> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:08:23 -0500
> From: "Michael Shortt" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Revised Sound of Thunder
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> I had hime repost video on you tube.
>
>
>
> One of my friends from FL visited over the holidays and I took him ( and
> wife ) for a ride, he shot this on his camera with video file.
>
> I thought it was cool, I have never shot my car because I'm a big old
> meanie and won't let anybody else drive it!
>
> anyway, if you want to see it the link is below, I still have the original
> wheels on it from the last concourse, no time to put the 17's back on.
>
> *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeyH4dq5dsI*
>
> The driveway squeaks are poly bushings, hate that!!
>
> Michael in Savannah
> -- 
> Michael L. Shortt
> Savannah, Georgia
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> michael at michaelshortt.com
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:24:12 +0100
> From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Le Mans Classic 2008
> To: "'DeTomaso A'" <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> Hi all,
>
> Anyone thinking of attending the classic 24 hours of Le Mans... please 
> note
> that one of the two campsites is now sold out via the ACO, which is the
> organizing group. It won't be long before the other is as well, and 
> sources
> of tickets dries up at the alternative sources.
> http://ticket.lemans.org/vente2/visu_article_mini.php?id_univers=1
> <http://ticket.lemans.org/vente2/visu_article_mini.php?id_univers=1&id_rubri
> que=47&id_boutique=47&id_ev=21> &id_rubrique=47&id_boutique=47&id_ev=21
>
> If you are thinking of attending, I'd recommend reserving as soon as you
> can. At least two Panteras are now confirmed, and we'll be camping at 
> Maison
> Blanche...
>
> Both Panteras have reserved from the following company, which is the same
> one I've used for many years for my Le Mans fix...
> http://www.justticketsonline.co.uk/home.php?cat=22
>
> We still plan on spending a week touring around the Loire Valley before Le
> Mans, and we'll send details of that for those interested at a later date,
> but I wouldn't wait too long to reserve your Le Mans tix!!
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:36:22 -0800
> From: "Mark McWhinney" <msm at portata.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Can/Am Meeting Spring '08
> To: "'Will Demelo'" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID:
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> That sounds like fun.
>
>
> Las Vegas is April 30 - May 3.
> The track event at Pahrump is May 1-2.
>
> http://www.panteraclubnorcal.com/events.htm
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
> On
> Behalf Of Will Demelo
> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 9:51 AM
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Can/Am Meeting Spring '08
>
> When is Parump and other events so I can chose a weekend that doesn't
> conflict?
> Will
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Tom Di Iulio
>  To: Will Demelo
>  Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:41 PM
>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Can/Am Meeting Spring '08
>
>
>  dude, that sounds great but it's too close to pahrump for me to swing 
> time
> (and money) for both. what a cool destination though!
>
>
>  On Jan 1, 2008 10:06 AM, Will Demelo <wdemelo at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
>    Happy New Year to all my Pantera friends.
>
>    I am considering organizing a meeting  for Canadian and American 
> Pantera
> owners in the spring of '08.
>    I am considering and have contacted the Fallsview Casino in Niagara
> Falls, Canada. This is a top-notch hotel with something to do for 
> everyone.
>    They are going to ask how many people will be attending.
>    I need a show of hands of those that would come out for a weekend.
>    There will be eating, drinking, gambling and of coarse, Panteras. What
> could make for a better weekend?
>    Who's in?
>    Don't say you'll come unless you really intend to.
>    Will D.
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> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:25:17 -0600
> From: "Daniel C Jones" <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Carburetion Experts
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
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> There are two different Holley Street Dominators for the 351C-2V.
> The first has a trapezoidal opening and a single set of carb stud
> holes.  That version will clear square bore carbs (Holleys, AFB's,
> Autolite 4100 and Motorcraft 4300) as well as the 4300D Motorcraft
> spread bore.  The wider secondaries of Quadrajet and Thermoquad
> carbs won't clear.  The second version has dual carb stud holes and
> an opening scalloped (the flange tapers to a smaller opening)for
> Quadrajet and ThermoQuad throttle blade clearance.  It is taller at
> the carb pad, as well.  The one in your pictures is the first version.
> I've borrowed an example of the second version for the 351C mega-dyno
> project.  I also have a Qjet here to rebuild.  If budget permits, I'll
> try the Qjet against a Holley on the Street Dominator..
>
>> I purchased a Holley 4150 series 600 cfm, model 0-4776C, and added
>> the electric choke.
>
> Does that have straight leg or down leg boosters?
>
>> Holley offers an adaptor to allow usage of the square bore on a spread
>> bore manifold, or vice versa.
>
> Not required for your application.
>
> Here is a link to a picture of the manifold showing where flow has been in
> the past. It appears to be slightly restricted.
>
> Dan is right about the 2v/4v mismatch.  A 4v intake will physically bolt
> onto 2v heads, but the port mismatch will be terrible.
>
>> If it bugs you, you should consider the new dual plane air-gap intake 
>> made
>> by Edelbrock for 2v heads.  I think they're calling it the Performer RPM.
>> I don't know if it will fit under your engine screen, but it would be a
>> great match for your engine.
>
> Performer RPM Air Gap 2V.  I will be placing an order for one in the next
> week or two.  That should round out the list of 2V intakes available for
> dyno teting:
>
> Edelbrock Performer 2V
>  - low rise dual plane with Holley carb bolt pattern
>  - runner ports the same size as cylinder head port
>
> Edelbrock Performer RPM Air Gap 351C 2V (P/N 7564)
>  - high rise, air gap dual plane
>  - runner ports are approximately the same size as cylinder head port
>  - non-EGR
>  - port exit dimensions: 1.38" x 2.04"
>
> Holley Street Dominator  351C-2V (300-12)
>  - low rise open plenum single plane
>  - the second version as described above
>
> Offenhauser Dual Port 351C-2V (6012-DP or is it 6111-DP?)
>  - dual port design (runners split into top and bottom sections,
>    plenum split fore and aft, primaries feed longer path lower
>    runners, secondaries feed shorter path upper runners), spread
>    bore bolt pattern
>
> Offenhauser Port-O-Sonic 351C-2V (6122)
>  - medium rise single plane with Holley carb bolt pattern
>
> Parker Funnelweb 2V
>  - high rise single plane
>
> Weiand X-Celerator 351V-2V (7516)
>  - medium rise single plane with Holley carb bolt pattern, no EGR
>  - have both versions for the dyno tests
>
> Dan Jones
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 01:20:55 EST
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Carburetion Experts
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
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> In a message dated 1/1/08 19 25 58, daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com writes:
>
>
>> > If it bugs you, you should consider the new dual plane air-gap intake
>> made
>> > by Edelbrock for 2v heads.? I think they're calling it the Performer 
>> > RPM.
>> > I don't know if it will fit under your engine screen, but it would be a
>> > great match for your engine.
>>
>
>>>>It won't fit under the stock screen, not even close....but it does 
>>>>appear
> to be a great intake.
>
> Mike
>
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