[DeTomaso] starting problems

[RKMosier at aol.com]

My problem similar to this went like this:
Battery good.  Original starter.  When cold car would start just  fine.  When 
hot car would hardly turn over sometimes taking 3 tries to  start.  Before it 
would start often I would smell gas as if it  flooded.  Usually holding the 
pedal to the floor would help the car finally  start.  I tried all the usual 
suggestions, battery, grounding, carb  adjustment suggested by the forum.  The 
last thing I did was replace the  starter per a forum suggestion.  Problem 
solved.  Engine starts hot or  cold now.  Problem went away.  Bye the way I went 
with the Tilton  starter.  A bit up there in price but works great.
 
Richard
 
 
In a message dated 2/13/2008 2:03:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time (Mex,  
edlebby at yahoo.com writes:

George,  Jack - many thanks - I will look in to all of this.

Jack - what gauge  wire is "large" in your book...10g?

George...one follow on  question...what you say makes good sense for the shut 
off restart when  warm...that is i am being left with a flooded 
condition...but why would that  cause the starter to be so sluggish? - i was kind of 
thinking that the heat  was effecting it...but "i don't know nuttin!" - also, does 
the needle and seat  root cause explain the cold start problems for you? - 
thanks! -  stephen


----- Original Message ----
From: "JDeRyke at aol.com"  <JDeRyke at aol.com>
To: edlebby at yahoo.com;  detomaso at realbig.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 2:18:11  PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] starting problems

In a message dated  2/13/08 11:51:26 AM, edlebby at yahoo.com writes:
snip.....

whenever  the car stops, after fully warmed up, and i try to restart it, the 
starter  motor is extremely sluggish, might turn over once...pause a second or 
 two...again...and so on - the only way it will restart is if the pedal is at 
 WOT - at first i thought it was the starter engine...but then JT said it was 
 probably the battery - so put new connectors on the battery cables, cleaned  
the zf ground and the starter wires - that improved things alot for awhile -  
but now i am back to where i was (even worse) - thoughts?


This  could be the result of a minor carb malfunction, but my first move is 
to add a  SECOND large diameter ground wire running from a shiny bare spot on 
the  subframe to either the engine block or the ZF cases- sometimes both! Then 
I'd  swap the stock starter for a modern gear-drive mini-starter; there are 
many  brands our vendors sell that fit properly & will spin a high-compression  
engine far better than any stock one. My 12-yr-old McLeod mini-starter- based  
on the Hitachi starter motor, spins a smoking-hot 10-1/2:1 compression 351-C  
almost as rapidly as when the engine is cold. All gear-drive starters are  
about half the weight and physically smaller, so the starter is unaffected by  
header heat without the need for a shield. Try these & let us know how  they 
work- J DeRyke




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