[DeTomaso] allowing detroit to fail

[Jim Hendrickson]

As a retired skilled tradesman from a Ford facility, I have to say that the
$150k income is quite exaggerated. My base pay was around $60k. The average
electricians pay in the Atlanta area is $78k. My benefits package made up
some of the difference.

We did have some tradesmen who could stand the 84 hour weeks and made around
$125k, but that took many 84 hour weeks. I guess the 84 hour weeks plus
benefits could be looked at as making $150k. Do you want to do it?

The average production worker had a base pay around $50k and only worked 5
days a week so they had a hard time getting enough hours to top $70k. They
did get many 10 hour days.

Without the unions there never would have been a "middle class".



-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
Behalf Of Ken Green
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:54 AM
To: cuvee at sbcglobal.net; detomaso at realbig.com; Fresnofinches at aol.com;
MikeLDrew at aol.com; notstock at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] allowing detroit to fail

I don't think any of us want Detroit to fail, we believe that they need to
enter Chapter 11 and reorganize.  I have no problem with the government
guaranteeing loans after the reorganization.  I also have contacted my 2
senators and congresswoman (all liberal Democrats) and specifically asked if
it is true that UAW members are making $150K, and if so, why are we bailing
them out.  I have not received any answers, which tells me it is true. 
Another example of how a special interest (the UAW in the instance) owns the
Democratic Party.
 
I bought a Buick Regal GS in 98, and only sold it after 180,000 great miles
because little things kept failing.  I liked it so much, that I bought
another a couple years ago with 30,000 on it (it had been discontinued by
Buick) and hope to drive it for a few more years.  It is the best car I ever
owned, and I think the best styled sedan I've ever owned, even after 10
years.  0-60 in 6.6, and 30+ MPG at 70.  It's a great car.  But of course,
Buick dropped it and I think the replacement sucks.  
 
I have never bought a Japanese car, but appreciate the recognized fact that
they forced Detroit to quit making junk. 
 
Ken


--- On Wed, 12/10/08, j g <notstock at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: j g <notstock at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] allowing detroit to fail
To: cuvee at sbcglobal.net, detomaso at realbig.com, Fresnofinches at aol.com,
kenn_green at yahoo.com, MikeLDrew at aol.com
Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 7:20 AM

Nice to hear all the rants about border security, national security etc from
all the extreme  right wing , Then immediately  behind that we hear how
Detroit
should be allowed to fail with a lot of emotional reasons about foreign
(junk)
being better than American iron. yada yada yada 

WEll wake up the industrial might that allow the good old USA to stay secure
has come in many forms from Detroit, DEtroit stopped producing cars during
ww2
and geared up for the war  that allowed us to beat the MITSUBISHI ,KAWASAKI<
SUZUKI< BMW< MERCEDES BENZ , PORSCHE produced enemy war machines . Allison
produced aircraft , ship and tank motors and still does. Chrysler  still
produces the M1 tank with allison turbine engines. 
Allison produced the first commercial jet engines for American jet aircraft,
they still produce large portions of the ground equipment for aircraft and
shipboard support.and turbine , diesel and gas support equipment, The
computers
used in everything from the titan II launch vehicles to the F-16 were and
are
all designed and produced by DELCO (GM) 
The inertial navigation platforms on all 747 aircraft , and required for all
trans oceanic flight are all carousel 4 and 5 systems designed and produced
by
GM ,  All the military vehicles are produced by Detroit in some fashion from
engines, chassis parts to full vehicles. Including The chrysler tanks and
heavy
vehicles. 

So BY screwing detroit in either not bailing them out or by buying and
supporting our old enemies companies equipment  you are screwing the
national
security and strength of our nation . You are being essentially 
traitors to your own country at the expense of your own greed .

YES this is harsh but think about it.

jg





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