[DeTomaso] Fw: NPC: REALLY NO PANTERA CONTENT, US Auto Industry Bailout OPINION

[Mad Dog Antenucci]

Claaaaay,

Socialist model?

Is that like where you don't have money to finish or race your Pantera or where you have more then two jobs? ;-]>

MD, who wants to move to Denmark!
Just kidding 

clay willmott <claywillmott at hotmail.com> wrote: 
100 K is way too much money for companies to sustain.  Assembly line work that pays 100 K no wonder all 3 companies are out of money.  The problem is entitlement.  Americans think they deserve it despite a lack of education or particular skill.  This all fits with the upcoming socialist model in late January.  
I am tired of hearing people bitch about money unless they have two jobs.  I have more than two.
Bet your A** I wouldn't have ever lost my house, I would have been at Burger King on the weekends if I had to.
No one is owed anything, you have to work for it.
 
CW
 
> From: wdemelo at cogeco.ca> To: detomaso at realbig.com> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:23:53 -0500> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw: NPC: REALLY NO PANTERA CONTENT, US Auto Industry Bailout OPINION> > """do any of you now work for the big 3 do any of you know someone working > for the big 3 ? The whole rants about 100k salaries is just plain horse > hockey. """"> > Yes, my neighbour is a machinist at Chrysler. He made $130k (Can) last year. > He boasts about it quite often.> Btw, the POS has just pulled a back claim 3 weeks ago (2nd time). How > convenient.> It's funny how they boasted about how much they made before. Now they claim > to make nothing and work their hands to the bone.> I'm curious. Who paid for the funds in the "top-up" bank ( top up pay when > they're laid off). Union dues? Really, I'm asking honestly.> Will> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "j g" > To: ; "Mad Dog Antenucci" > ; > Cc: "Asa Jay Laughton" ; "Pantera Forum" > > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 7:11 PM>
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: REALLY NO PANTERA CONTENT,US Auto Industry > Bailout OPINION> > > >> > guys> >> > do any of you now work for the big 3 do any of you know someone working > > for the big 3 ? The whole rants about 100k salaries is just plain horse > > hockey.> >> > Well I have worked for them and have neighbors that work for them here in > > the dallas area at asssembly plants .> >> > The union wage for a non skilled position is not any different here in > > Dallas than that for a non union worker at AER a larger rebuilder in the > > area. The main difference is that the Uaw worker has slightly better > > health care , and has a union pension as part of the collective bargining > > agreement. The worker at AER has no medical insurance at all except what > > they buy themselves and has no pension or even a 401k possibility . One of > > my neighbors has to take their kids to the local county emergency room due > > t> > o no health care at all .> > The foreign
 automakers relocating to the USA have been given huge > > incentives by local governments such that no corporate or local property > > tax is expected for 25 years or more (honda - 98 years at Marysville) no > > state income tax--- BMW, Honda, Toyota , and since they have no older > > workers They have no pension and retirement insurance requirements like > > the big 3 have that are based on past collective agreements made by the > > company to the workers in exchange for lower wages and increased > > output.and to make u> > p for moraly wrong intimidation like ford did all through the 30's thru > > the 50's ( Ford hired mobsters to beat up workers and union organizers as > > well as workers that spoke up against injustice)> > Next Both the korean and japanese governments subsidize all the companies > > selling any where in the world to make the sell price of the product > > either lower than or as a minimum equal to the nearest competator in the > > particular market.
 Toshiba ,Samsung , Toyota all have been fined heavily> > in either the USA or europe for this predatory pricing . Next it used to > > be law that all pensions had to have full funding , well during the regan > > years ALL companies in the usa were allowed to use the pension funds as > > liquid assests and not have full funding, JUST LIKE SOCIAL SECURITY.> > The management of all large US companies went and raided the pension funds > > rather than borrow against assets this allowed the greedy to get larger > > bonuses because it did not come against the opperating line on the balance > > sheet.> >> > SO when one says the foreign companies donot ask for anything? Balony > > you are already subsidizing them every time you pay your state or federal > > income tax . Honda, toyota, BMW all laughing to the bank at the stupid > > Americans .> >> > jg> >> > --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Ken Green  wrote:> >> >> From: Ken Green > >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: REALLY NO PANTERA CONTENT, US
 Auto Industry > >> Bailout OPINION> >> To: "michael at michaelshortt.com" , > >> notstock at yahoo.com, "Mad Dog Antenucci" > >> Cc: "Asa Jay Laughton" , "Pantera Forum" > >> > >> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 4:26 PM> >> Dennis,> >>> >> I don't think the suppliers make even close to> >> UAW wages. I would argue that if UAW members made only> >> $100K, more US cars would be sold because prices would drop,> >> and there would be more jobs at the suppliers. The high> >> UAW wages probably hurt employment everwhere else.> >>> >> If Chapter 11 is the only way for that to happen,> >> then so be it. I doubt the average car buyer sees much> >> difference between needing billions of our tax dollars and> >> Chapter 11.> >>> >> Ken> >>> >>> >>> >> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Mad Dog Antenucci> >>  wrote:> >>> >> From: Mad Dog Antenucci > >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: REALLY NO PANTERA CONTENT, US> >> Auto Industry Bailout OPINION> >> To: "michael at michaelshortt.com"> >> , notstock at yahoo.com>
 >> Cc: kenn_green at yahoo.com, "Asa Jay Laughton"> >> , "Pantera Forum"> >> > >> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 1:56 PM> >>> >> I agree they should have...And you KNOW they will all be> >> back for more.> >>> >> I was one of those who initially said the Big 3> >> shouldn't get sheeeit and> >> NO government bailout.......> >>> >> But reading and listening to a few our people on this List> >> over the last week> >> who are OUT OF WORK has convinced me penalizing every> >> supplier and small> >> business and EMPLOYEE who had nothing to do with the> >> unions, managing the Big 3> >> or government would further make a bad situation> >> worse....7.6% unemployment> >> times the total number of folks not eligible for benefits> >> or who are not counted> >> some say really accounts for a number like 12-13%> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> "michael at michaelshortt.com"> >>  wrote:> >> This just off the wire, I love the first half of the last> >> sentence.> >>> >> *"GM, which is now committed to
 making car consumers> >> want to buy "*> >>> >>> >> Duh! Shouldn't that have been the plan all along??????> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> General Motors (GM : 4.83, +0.75, +18.38%)> >> needs $18 billion from the government and taxpayers and> >> wants the American> >> people to know why.> >>> >> In an open letter titled "GM's Commitment to the> >> American People"> >> which ran> >> in Automotive News, a trade journal ready by industry> >> executives, lobbyists> >> and other insiders, the beleaguered car maker candidly> >> acknowledged it has> >> disappointed U.S. consumers and pledged to do better. It> >> said recent strides> >> to improve the company have been hurt by the economic> >> downturn, which is why> >> it needs the loans.> >>> >> "We are in the midst of the worst economic crisis> >> since the Great> >> Depression," said GM in the missive. "Just like> >> you, we have been> >> severely> >> impacted by events outside our control. Despite moving> >> quickly to reduce our> >>
 planned spending by over $20 billion, GM finds itself> >> precariously and> >> frighteningly close to running out of cash."> >>> >> Still GM acknowledged that while the economy is hurting the> >> car company, it> >> has made missteps it only has itself to blame.> >>> >> "At times we violated your trust by letting our> >> quality fall below> >> industry> >> standards and our designs become lackluster," wrote> >> GM. "We have> >> proliferated our brands and dealer network to the point> >> where we lost> >> adequate focus on our core U.S. market." What's> >> more GM said it> >> wrongly> >> focused on pick-ups and SUVs over other brands and as a> >> result "paid> >> dearly."> >>> >> Indeed last week GM reported that sales fell 41% in the> >> month of November.> >>> >> GM, which is now committed to making car consumers want to> >> buy, said its> >> restructuring actions should enable the company to start> >> repaying taxpayers> >> in 2011.> >>
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