[DeTomaso] Fw: A/C conversion

Tomas Gunnarsson guson at home.se
Mon Apr 21 16:37:57 EDT 2008


Hey, with a really cool car, who needs A/C anyway? :-)

Tomas

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: A/C conversion


> As part of the entire global fight against global warming, there will  
> be -no- replacements for any refrigerant products.  Consumers will  
> need to revert back to ice-cooled heat exchangers instead, or simply  
> do without any air-conditioning.
> 
> This should reduce the affect of refrigerant gases on global warming  
> by approximately  
> 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002 %
> 
> Check it on Snopes, honest, it's not bogus.
> 
> Asa Jay
> <and I've got his bridge here too...>
> 
> Quoting Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>:
> 
>> No, I haven't. I found some articles in Swedish where another   
>> refrigerant by DuPont was mentioned but it didn't have an "R" name.   
>> I think I heard that stationary systems already use other media but   
>> they are not so fit for mobile applications due to higher system   
>> pressures.
>>
>> Tomas
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jim Gray" <jimgray at cableone.net>
>> To: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 7:03 PM
>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Fw: A/C conversion
>>
>>
>>> Have you heard what the replacement will be?
>>>
>>> Jim Gray
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On
>>> Behalf Of Tomas Gunnarsson
>>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:41 AM
>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: A/C conversion
>>>
>>> According to Wikipedia it'll be banned from 2011 in new cars. This likely
>>> gives us a little more time before refilling old systems is impossible.
>>>
>>> Tomas
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jim Gray" <jimgray at cableone.net>
>>> To: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 6:24 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: A/C conversion
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have read that the EU was banning R134a in either 2008 or 2009 though I
>>>> never heard what the replacement would be.  Does anyone know anything
>>> about
>>>> this?
>>>>
>>>> Jim Gray
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On
>>>> Behalf Of Tomas Gunnarsson
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:08 AM
>>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: A/C conversion
>>>>
>>>> I agree with Charlie. In Sweden the R12 substitutes are not commonly heard
>>>> of.. It's R134 or nothing.
>>>>
>>>> Tomas
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Charles McCall" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'Will Demelo'" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 4:33 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: A/C conversion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In Spain, they use R-134. I had mine converted last year here.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know that wasn't the question but it may give an indication...
>>>>>
>>>>> Charles McCall
>>>>> 1985 DeTomaso Pantera GT5-S #9375
>>>>> "Raising Pantera Awareness across Europe"
>>>>> http://members.aol.com/PanteraGT5S1985/
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>>>> De: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] En
>>>>> nombre de Will Demelo
>>>>> Enviado el: lunes, 21 de abril de 2008 12:09
>>>>> Para: detomaso at realbig.com
>>>>> Asunto: [DeTomaso] Fw: A/C conversion
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the common refigerant used in the UK? The car is being shipped
>>>>> abroad.
>>>>> Will
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
>>>>> To: wdemelo at cogeco.ca ; detomaso at realbig.com
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 3:35 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A/C conversion
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In a message dated 4/19/08 10 01 0, wdemelo at cogeco.ca writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  I have a bone stock A/C system that I need get running. Obviously, I
>>> need
>>>>> to replace the compressor with a 134a type.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Actually, no.  The simplest thing to do is just replace the stock
>>>>> compressor with a rotary unit and associated bracket, but stick with the
>>>> R12
>>>>> formula.  Although R12 is no longer in production, A/C shops are amply
>>>>> stocked with acceptable substitutes, and it is probably cheaper and
>>> easier
>>>>> than switching the whole system over to R134.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Anything else I need to order? Are the vendors priced similarly? Will my
>>>>> stock condenser and dryer work?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you stick with R12, yes.  I would bring your car as-is to an A/C shop
>>>> and
>>>>> have them evaluate the condition of your condenser.  Exhaust fumes attack
>>>>> them, and many of them have fins that have literally turned to powder,
>>> and
>>>>> thus they are ineffective.  Assuming yours is in decent shape, you should
>>>>> replace all the hoses, and the dryer, along with the compresser.  But
>>> your
>>>>> evaporator under the dash, and condenser should be fine.  Oh, you might
>>>> want
>>>>> to change the expansion valve too; talk to the A/C shop about this.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can do all the nuts-and-bolts work yourself, then just have the shop
>>>>> perform a leak check prior to charging.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think most of the vendors are similarly priced on the parts....
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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