[DeTomaso] Fw: A/C conversion

Mon Apr 21 16:23:05 EDT 2008

As part of the entire global fight against global warming, there will  
be -no- replacements for any refrigerant products.  Consumers will  
need to revert back to ice-cooled heat exchangers instead, or simply  
do without any air-conditioning.

This should reduce the affect of refrigerant gases on global warming  
by approximately  
0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002 %

Check it on Snopes, honest, it's not bogus.

Asa Jay
<and I've got his bridge here too...>

Quoting Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>:

> No, I haven't. I found some articles in Swedish where another   
> refrigerant by DuPont was mentioned but it didn't have an "R" name.   
> I think I heard that stationary systems already use other media but   
> they are not so fit for mobile applications due to higher system   
> pressures.
>
> Tomas
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Gray" <jimgray at cableone.net>
> To: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 7:03 PM
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Fw: A/C conversion
>
>
>> Have you heard what the replacement will be?
>>
>> Jim Gray
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On
>> Behalf Of Tomas Gunnarsson
>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:41 AM
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: A/C conversion
>>
>> According to Wikipedia it'll be banned from 2011 in new cars. This likely
>> gives us a little more time before refilling old systems is impossible.
>>
>> Tomas
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jim Gray" <jimgray at cableone.net>
>> To: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 6:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: A/C conversion
>>
>>
>>> I have read that the EU was banning R134a in either 2008 or 2009 though I
>>> never heard what the replacement would be.  Does anyone know anything
>> about
>>> this?
>>>
>>> Jim Gray
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On
>>> Behalf Of Tomas Gunnarsson
>>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:08 AM
>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: A/C conversion
>>>
>>> I agree with Charlie. In Sweden the R12 substitutes are not commonly heard
>>> of.. It's R134 or nothing.
>>>
>>> Tomas
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Charles McCall" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'Will Demelo'" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 4:33 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: A/C conversion
>>>
>>>
>>>> In Spain, they use R-134. I had mine converted last year here.
>>>>
>>>> I know that wasn't the question but it may give an indication...
>>>>
>>>> Charles McCall
>>>> 1985 DeTomaso Pantera GT5-S #9375
>>>> "Raising Pantera Awareness across Europe"
>>>> http://members.aol.com/PanteraGT5S1985/
>>>>
>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>>> De: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] En
>>>> nombre de Will Demelo
>>>> Enviado el: lunes, 21 de abril de 2008 12:09
>>>> Para: detomaso at realbig.com
>>>> Asunto: [DeTomaso] Fw: A/C conversion
>>>>
>>>> What is the common refigerant used in the UK? The car is being shipped
>>>> abroad.
>>>> Will
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
>>>> To: wdemelo at cogeco.ca ; detomaso at realbig.com
>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 3:35 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A/C conversion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 4/19/08 10 01 0, wdemelo at cogeco.ca writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  I have a bone stock A/C system that I need get running. Obviously, I
>> need
>>>> to replace the compressor with a 134a type.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually, no.  The simplest thing to do is just replace the stock
>>>> compressor with a rotary unit and associated bracket, but stick with the
>>> R12
>>>> formula.  Although R12 is no longer in production, A/C shops are amply
>>>> stocked with acceptable substitutes, and it is probably cheaper and
>> easier
>>>> than switching the whole system over to R134.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Anything else I need to order? Are the vendors priced similarly? Will my
>>>> stock condenser and dryer work?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you stick with R12, yes.  I would bring your car as-is to an A/C shop
>>> and
>>>> have them evaluate the condition of your condenser.  Exhaust fumes attack
>>>> them, and many of them have fins that have literally turned to powder,
>> and
>>>> thus they are ineffective.  Assuming yours is in decent shape, you should
>>>> replace all the hoses, and the dryer, along with the compresser.  But
>> your
>>>> evaporator under the dash, and condenser should be fine.  Oh, you might
>>> want
>>>> to change the expansion valve too; talk to the A/C shop about this.
>>>>
>>>> You can do all the nuts-and-bolts work yourself, then just have the shop
>>>> perform a leak check prior to charging.
>>>>
>>>> I think most of the vendors are similarly priced on the parts....
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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