[DeTomaso] Fw: A/C conversion

Tomas Gunnarsson guson at home.se
Mon Apr 21 13:15:30 EDT 2008


No, I haven't. I found some articles in Swedish where another refrigerant by DuPont was mentioned but it didn't have an "R" name. I think I heard that stationary systems already use other media but they are not so fit for mobile applications due to higher system pressures.

Tomas
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From: "Jim Gray" <jimgray at cableone.net>
To: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 7:03 PM
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Fw: A/C conversion


> Have you heard what the replacement will be?
> 
> Jim Gray
> 
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> Behalf Of Tomas Gunnarsson
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> 
> According to Wikipedia it'll be banned from 2011 in new cars. This likely
> gives us a little more time before refilling old systems is impossible.
> 
> Tomas
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Gray" <jimgray at cableone.net>
> To: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 6:24 PM
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> 
>>I have read that the EU was banning R134a in either 2008 or 2009 though I
>> never heard what the replacement would be.  Does anyone know anything
> about
>> this?
>>
>> Jim Gray
>>
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>> Behalf Of Tomas Gunnarsson
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>>
>> I agree with Charlie. In Sweden the R12 substitutes are not commonly heard
>> of.. It's R134 or nothing.
>>
>> Tomas
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Charles McCall" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Will Demelo'" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 4:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: A/C conversion
>>
>>
>>> In Spain, they use R-134. I had mine converted last year here.
>>>
>>> I know that wasn't the question but it may give an indication...
>>>
>>> Charles McCall
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>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>> De: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] En
>>> nombre de Will Demelo
>>> Enviado el: lunes, 21 de abril de 2008 12:09
>>> Para: detomaso at realbig.com
>>> Asunto: [DeTomaso] Fw: A/C conversion
>>>
>>> What is the common refigerant used in the UK? The car is being shipped
>>> abroad.
>>> Will
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
>>> To: wdemelo at cogeco.ca ; detomaso at realbig.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 3:35 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A/C conversion
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 4/19/08 10 01 0, wdemelo at cogeco.ca writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  I have a bone stock A/C system that I need get running. Obviously, I
> need
>>> to replace the compressor with a 134a type.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>Actually, no.  The simplest thing to do is just replace the stock
>>> compressor with a rotary unit and associated bracket, but stick with the
>> R12
>>> formula.  Although R12 is no longer in production, A/C shops are amply
>>> stocked with acceptable substitutes, and it is probably cheaper and
> easier
>>> than switching the whole system over to R134.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Anything else I need to order? Are the vendors priced similarly? Will my
>>> stock condenser and dryer work?
>>>
>>>
>>> If you stick with R12, yes.  I would bring your car as-is to an A/C shop
>> and
>>> have them evaluate the condition of your condenser.  Exhaust fumes attack
>>> them, and many of them have fins that have literally turned to powder,
> and
>>> thus they are ineffective.  Assuming yours is in decent shape, you should
>>> replace all the hoses, and the dryer, along with the compresser.  But
> your
>>> evaporator under the dash, and condenser should be fine.  Oh, you might
>> want
>>> to change the expansion valve too; talk to the A/C shop about this.
>>>
>>> You can do all the nuts-and-bolts work yourself, then just have the shop
>>> perform a leak check prior to charging.
>>>
>>> I think most of the vendors are similarly priced on the parts....
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
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