[DeTomaso] How About Vegas Covention in March?
adin at frontier.net
adin at frontier.net
Sun Apr 6 07:10:11 EDT 2008
Why is snow like sex?
You never know how many inches you will get nor hoe long it will last.
3"????
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all the best,
Quoting Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>:
> Yup, well anyway... It's April now and it snowed today, put about three
> inches on the ground earlier this morning. I think I'd keep the late
> April time frame. :)
>
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> RallyFanatic at aol.com wrote:
>> Dennis;
>>
>> I know what you mean about being overly sensitive about the event. But I
>> can assure you that was not my intent, to defend the timing of the
>> event, but
>> solely to give some historical perspective to why the event is held when it
>> is.
>>
>> I personally, don't care when the event is held, or where (within reason -
>> no camping) as I will be there.
>>
>> I agree with you that if someone wants to start an event, they can hold it
>> where and when they want. If it good, "they will come." I also agree with
>> you that many events are (1) planned, (2) held, and then disappear
>> as either
>> people don't come, or the organizers get burned out once they see what is
>> involved in putting on any kind of a large event, from scratch, as
>> opposed to
>> attending a previously planned event, e.g., any open road racing, the any
>> concourse put on by another organization, etc. In these cases, the
>> planning, which
>> can be substantial, is not the same as actually organizing the event. And,
>> when you have to plan for everything to do with the event, it is
>> not an easy
>> task.
>>
>> My hat is off to you for all you do, and have done, for getting Panteras to
>> participate in open road racing events. I know it is a lot of work, and
>> without people like out, there would be a lot less enjoyment in our
>> lives; both
>> for those who participate, as well as those of us who participate
>> vicariously
>> thru your reports.
>>
>> Keep up the good work!
>>
>> Kent
>>
>> PS; It is Command Sergeant Major, not Sergeant Major. :>)
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 4/3/2008 10:56:45 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>> teampantera at yahoo.com writes:
>>
>> Sgt. Major (aka Kent Snyder)
>>
>> You mean Bob can't accomadate the 3% of us who want the event moved? ;-]>
>>
>> You, Bob and JT and the rest of the Fun Rally gang do a great service to
>> all. But you guys are waaaaaaaaaay to oversenstive about this
>> subject. the fact
>> is everyone have always had the opportunity to start a new venue if anyone
>> wanted to step up and organize it and run it.
>>
>> Every year the 'volunteers' to start a new event on a new date and location
>> are numerous...what is not numerous are the few like you and Bob and others
>> who put the event on year after year.
>>
>> Thanks for the decades of support.
>>
>> Dawg
>>
>>
>>
>> RallyFanatic at aol.com wrote:
>>
>> I really had no plans to get involved in this discussion but I thought a
>> little history might give some perspective as to why the POCA Las Vegas Fun
>> Rally is held over (either) the last weekend in April or the first weekend
>> in May.
>>
>> When Sandi and I along with Eric and Linda Cooper started the Fun Rally in
>> 1982, POCA was, in fact, a Los Angeles based club with the majority of its
>> plus
>> or minus 300 members in the Southern California area.
>>
>> The BIG events that we held were the Newporter Concourse D' Elegance in
>> June, and the annual trip to Monterey for the Pebble Beach
>> Concourse and the
>> vintage auto races at Laguna Seca. Some then stayed over Monday to run with
>> the
>> Ferrari Club who rented Laguna Seca for their club, and invited POCA to run
>> with them. As an aside, we stopped being invited when we kept beating the
>> Ferrari's in the races.
>>
>> Anyway, those were the two big events that POCA did for the year. The
>> calendar was fleshed out by 10 other events, each Board Member was
>> responsible for
>> one event a month; twelve board members, twelve events.
>>
>> The first fun Rally was held in March 1982, and there was rain on the way
>> back, and the folks who drove from Colorado and points east, complained
>> about
>> the ice and snow conditions they faced on the way to and from the event.
>> Thus, we moved the event to the last weekend in April timeframe. This way,
>> we
>> didn't compete with the Concourse and the folks driving (usually)
>> had better
>> conditions.
>>
>> As time passed, more clubs/chapters started major events, Pocono, the Reno
>> Tahoe Fun Rally, and states began open road events, Silver State, etc.,
>> etc.,
>> etc.
>>
>> Now the calendar is filled with major events, the cost of everything has
>> gone way up, and there is greater competition for your dollar,
>> which doesn't
>> go
>> far, and discretionary income shrinks as necessities take up more and more
>> of
>> the available income.
>>
>> To move the Fun Rally from its usual timeframe would mean that
>> whoever plans
>>
>> the event would have to make sure there are no (or very few) conflicts with
>> other events, not over a major holiday, i.e., Mothers day, not
>> conflict with
>> school, if possible, and too many other factors to list here. Well, just a
>> few, hotel availability, prices, other event (not Pantera related)
>> conflicts,
>> etc.
>>
>> This is not to say that the dates can't be moved, just that it is not as
>> easy as some would think.
>>
>> My two cents worth.
>>
>> Kent Snyder
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 4/2/2008 8:51:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>> cuvee at sbcglobal.net writes:
>>
>> Put something together and they may come?
>>
>> michael frazier wrote:
>> Why does it have to move 6 months? How about a smaller time shift to
>> accomodate school, ORR events etc.
>> It's always too close to the Big Bend event that some of the TEXAS people
>> like to attend...everything seems to
>> be Kalifornia-centric. :) A smile for those surely offended.
>> Michael
>> Gruppo Rompiculi Corsa Y'all
>>
>>
>>> From: jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com> To: artstephens at charter.net;
>>>
>> detomaso at realbig.com> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 20:53:07 -0500> Subject: Re:
>> [DeTomaso] How
>> About Vegas Covention in March?> > Hey Art.> > I appreciate your
>> thoughts on
>> this and encouragement to get others to offer > their opinion.> > I have
>> been
>> eager to consider alternative dates for other reasons.> > I would like to
>> see the event held at a Venue where we could show the cars > in a Ballroom.
>> I
>> would love to see the Vendors display their latest > restorations.
>> Additionally, I would enjoy establishing a Chapter Car Show > Competition
>> where each
>> Chapter selects one car from their membership to be > displayed in th
>> ballroom
>> and a team of judges awards a winner. I don't know > what the criteia for
>> the
>> show would be and perhaps a car may only be shown > once every "X"
>> number of
>>
>> years. My aim would be to get the Pantera Vendors > talents showcased and
>> create some teamwork amoung the Chapter members to > work together
>> in prepping a member's car. Those who have attended the Plaza > know that
>> there is a genuine advantage to looking at cars in an indoor > environment
>> with
>> your favorite beverage in hand. This is an element of the > Fun Rally that
>> could help keep it fresh year to year.> > That said, the challenge faced
>> with
>> the current dates for the Fun Rally is > that it is Las Vegas peak season
>> and
>> it is therefore difficult to afford the > Resort Hotels that could
>> accommodate the display of cars indoors. If we > were in Vegas during the
>> off-season,
>> the opportunity would be different.> > As I have written before in the POCA
>> Newsletter, the nicer hotels, that > could accommodate cars indoors, would
>> force us to guarantee a certain number > of room reservations to provide us
>> the
>> Ballrooms at an affordable price. > During peak season those rooms would
>> almost be 2X the cost of the Orleans. > If we tried host the Fun Rally at
>> that
>> time of year, I fear many would stay > at less expensive venues
>> and commute to the Host hotel. As a consequence, > we would not mee!
>> t out ro
>> om target and break the POCA financial bank.> > I also believe
>> that younger
>> owners with families find it difficult to attend > Vegas in late April/May.
>> The obstacle is that their children are in school > and parents are
>> reluctant
>> to take them out. I am in this boat and > appreciate the issue. If
>> the Rally
>> was scheduled during school break, that > would help. This conundrum is
>> unfortunate as younger families represent an > expanding demographic of
>> DeTomaso
>> owners.> > If we held the Fun Rally in the summer, we could get superior
>> pricing and > families would be available. Although as you point out, it
>> would be
>> to hot > for the track event and the California owners, I am told,
>> generally
>> do not > have working AC.> > Another issue to keep in mind is the
>> availability of the organizers. The > Event is orchestrated by very few
>> people. I know
>> at least one of them would > gladly step back if someone else
>> would step up.
>> It is fine and dandy to say > lets have it in March; however, Bob
>> Reid is digging through tax returns and > couldn't be a resource? Who will
>> step up? This is not to say the Fun Rally > Committee is not open
>> to change;
>> rather to make you more sensitive to the > issues involved. The
>> committe has
>>
>> made many changes over the last four > years to accommodate the will of the
>> majority. We want to create a > compelling reason for people to
>> attend, make
>> new friends and have fun> > JT> Fun Rally Co-Chair > > >
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