[DeTomaso] How About Vegas Covention in March?
Asa Jay Laughton
asajay at asajay.com
Sun Apr 6 01:14:53 EDT 2008
Yup, well anyway... It's April now and it snowed today, put about three
inches on the ground earlier this morning. I think I'd keep the late
April time frame. :)
Asa Jay
Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
1973 Pantera L 5533
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RallyFanatic at aol.com wrote:
> Dennis;
>
> I know what you mean about being overly sensitive about the event. But I
> can assure you that was not my intent, to defend the timing of the event, but
> solely to give some historical perspective to why the event is held when it
> is.
>
> I personally, don't care when the event is held, or where (within reason -
> no camping) as I will be there.
>
> I agree with you that if someone wants to start an event, they can hold it
> where and when they want. If it good, "they will come." I also agree with
> you that many events are (1) planned, (2) held, and then disappear as either
> people don't come, or the organizers get burned out once they see what is
> involved in putting on any kind of a large event, from scratch, as opposed to
> attending a previously planned event, e.g., any open road racing, the any
> concourse put on by another organization, etc. In these cases, the planning, which
> can be substantial, is not the same as actually organizing the event. And,
> when you have to plan for everything to do with the event, it is not an easy
> task.
>
> My hat is off to you for all you do, and have done, for getting Panteras to
> participate in open road racing events. I know it is a lot of work, and
> without people like out, there would be a lot less enjoyment in our lives; both
> for those who participate, as well as those of us who participate vicariously
> thru your reports.
>
> Keep up the good work!
>
> Kent
>
> PS; It is Command Sergeant Major, not Sergeant Major. :>)
>
>
> In a message dated 4/3/2008 10:56:45 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> teampantera at yahoo.com writes:
>
> Sgt. Major (aka Kent Snyder)
>
> You mean Bob can't accomadate the 3% of us who want the event moved? ;-]>
>
> You, Bob and JT and the rest of the Fun Rally gang do a great service to
> all. But you guys are waaaaaaaaaay to oversenstive about this subject. the fact
> is everyone have always had the opportunity to start a new venue if anyone
> wanted to step up and organize it and run it.
>
> Every year the 'volunteers' to start a new event on a new date and location
> are numerous...what is not numerous are the few like you and Bob and others
> who put the event on year after year.
>
> Thanks for the decades of support.
>
> Dawg
>
>
>
> RallyFanatic at aol.com wrote:
>
> I really had no plans to get involved in this discussion but I thought a
> little history might give some perspective as to why the POCA Las Vegas Fun
> Rally is held over (either) the last weekend in April or the first weekend
> in May.
>
> When Sandi and I along with Eric and Linda Cooper started the Fun Rally in
> 1982, POCA was, in fact, a Los Angeles based club with the majority of its
> plus
> or minus 300 members in the Southern California area.
>
> The BIG events that we held were the Newporter Concourse D' Elegance in
> June, and the annual trip to Monterey for the Pebble Beach Concourse and the
> vintage auto races at Laguna Seca. Some then stayed over Monday to run with
> the
> Ferrari Club who rented Laguna Seca for their club, and invited POCA to run
> with them. As an aside, we stopped being invited when we kept beating the
> Ferrari's in the races.
>
> Anyway, those were the two big events that POCA did for the year. The
> calendar was fleshed out by 10 other events, each Board Member was
> responsible for
> one event a month; twelve board members, twelve events.
>
> The first fun Rally was held in March 1982, and there was rain on the way
> back, and the folks who drove from Colorado and points east, complained
> about
> the ice and snow conditions they faced on the way to and from the event.
> Thus, we moved the event to the last weekend in April timeframe. This way,
> we
> didn't compete with the Concourse and the folks driving (usually) had better
> conditions.
>
> As time passed, more clubs/chapters started major events, Pocono, the Reno
> Tahoe Fun Rally, and states began open road events, Silver State, etc.,
> etc.,
> etc.
>
> Now the calendar is filled with major events, the cost of everything has
> gone way up, and there is greater competition for your dollar, which doesn't
> go
> far, and discretionary income shrinks as necessities take up more and more
> of
> the available income.
>
> To move the Fun Rally from its usual timeframe would mean that whoever plans
>
> the event would have to make sure there are no (or very few) conflicts with
> other events, not over a major holiday, i.e., Mothers day, not conflict with
> school, if possible, and too many other factors to list here. Well, just a
> few, hotel availability, prices, other event (not Pantera related)
> conflicts,
> etc.
>
> This is not to say that the dates can't be moved, just that it is not as
> easy as some would think.
>
> My two cents worth.
>
> Kent Snyder
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 4/2/2008 8:51:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> cuvee at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
> Put something together and they may come?
>
> michael frazier wrote:
> Why does it have to move 6 months? How about a smaller time shift to
> accomodate school, ORR events etc.
> It's always too close to the Big Bend event that some of the TEXAS people
> like to attend...everything seems to
> be Kalifornia-centric. :) A smile for those surely offended.
> Michael
> Gruppo Rompiculi Corsa Y'all
>
>
>> From: jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com> To: artstephens at charter.net;
>>
> detomaso at realbig.com> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 20:53:07 -0500> Subject: Re:
> [DeTomaso] How
> About Vegas Covention in March?> > Hey Art.> > I appreciate your thoughts on
> this and encouragement to get others to offer > their opinion.> > I have
> been
> eager to consider alternative dates for other reasons.> > I would like to
> see the event held at a Venue where we could show the cars > in a Ballroom.
> I
> would love to see the Vendors display their latest > restorations.
> Additionally, I would enjoy establishing a Chapter Car Show > Competition
> where each
> Chapter selects one car from their membership to be > displayed in th
> ballroom
> and a team of judges awards a winner. I don't know > what the criteia for
> the
> show would be and perhaps a car may only be shown > once every "X" number of
>
> years. My aim would be to get the Pantera Vendors > talents showcased and
> create some teamwork amoung the Chapter members to > work together
> in prepping a member's car. Those who have attended the Plaza > know that
> there is a genuine advantage to looking at cars in an indoor > environment
> with
> your favorite beverage in hand. This is an element of the > Fun Rally that
> could help keep it fresh year to year.> > That said, the challenge faced
> with
> the current dates for the Fun Rally is > that it is Las Vegas peak season
> and
> it is therefore difficult to afford the > Resort Hotels that could
> accommodate the display of cars indoors. If we > were in Vegas during the
> off-season,
> the opportunity would be different.> > As I have written before in the POCA
> Newsletter, the nicer hotels, that > could accommodate cars indoors, would
> force us to guarantee a certain number > of room reservations to provide us
> the
> Ballrooms at an affordable price. > During peak season those rooms would
> almost be 2X the cost of the Orleans. > If we tried host the Fun Rally at
> that
> time of year, I fear many would stay > at less expensive venues
> and commute to the Host hotel. As a consequence, > we would not mee!
> t out ro
> om target and break the POCA financial bank.> > I also believe that younger
> owners with families find it difficult to attend > Vegas in late April/May.
> The obstacle is that their children are in school > and parents are
> reluctant
> to take them out. I am in this boat and > appreciate the issue. If the Rally
> was scheduled during school break, that > would help. This conundrum is
> unfortunate as younger families represent an > expanding demographic of
> DeTomaso
> owners.> > If we held the Fun Rally in the summer, we could get superior
> pricing and > families would be available. Although as you point out, it
> would be
> to hot > for the track event and the California owners, I am told, generally
> do not > have working AC.> > Another issue to keep in mind is the
> availability of the organizers. The > Event is orchestrated by very few
> people. I know
> at least one of them would > gladly step back if someone else would step up.
> It is fine and dandy to say > lets have it in March; however, Bob
> Reid is digging through tax returns and > couldn't be a resource? Who will
> step up? This is not to say the Fun Rally > Committee is not open to change;
> rather to make you more sensitive to the > issues involved. The committe has
>
> made many changes over the last four > years to accommodate the will of the
> majority. We want to create a > compelling reason for people to attend, make
> new friends and have fun> > JT> Fun Rally Co-Chair > > >
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