[DeTomaso] How About Vegas Covention in March?
RallyFanatic at aol.com
RallyFanatic at aol.com
Sat Apr 5 20:24:20 EDT 2008
Dennis;
I know what you mean about being overly sensitive about the event. But I
can assure you that was not my intent, to defend the timing of the event, but
solely to give some historical perspective to why the event is held when it
is.
I personally, don't care when the event is held, or where (within reason -
no camping) as I will be there.
I agree with you that if someone wants to start an event, they can hold it
where and when they want. If it good, "they will come." I also agree with
you that many events are (1) planned, (2) held, and then disappear as either
people don't come, or the organizers get burned out once they see what is
involved in putting on any kind of a large event, from scratch, as opposed to
attending a previously planned event, e.g., any open road racing, the any
concourse put on by another organization, etc. In these cases, the planning, which
can be substantial, is not the same as actually organizing the event. And,
when you have to plan for everything to do with the event, it is not an easy
task.
My hat is off to you for all you do, and have done, for getting Panteras to
participate in open road racing events. I know it is a lot of work, and
without people like out, there would be a lot less enjoyment in our lives; both
for those who participate, as well as those of us who participate vicariously
thru your reports.
Keep up the good work!
Kent
PS; It is Command Sergeant Major, not Sergeant Major. :>)
In a message dated 4/3/2008 10:56:45 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
teampantera at yahoo.com writes:
Sgt. Major (aka Kent Snyder)
You mean Bob can't accomadate the 3% of us who want the event moved? ;-]>
You, Bob and JT and the rest of the Fun Rally gang do a great service to
all. But you guys are waaaaaaaaaay to oversenstive about this subject. the fact
is everyone have always had the opportunity to start a new venue if anyone
wanted to step up and organize it and run it.
Every year the 'volunteers' to start a new event on a new date and location
are numerous...what is not numerous are the few like you and Bob and others
who put the event on year after year.
Thanks for the decades of support.
Dawg
RallyFanatic at aol.com wrote:
I really had no plans to get involved in this discussion but I thought a
little history might give some perspective as to why the POCA Las Vegas Fun
Rally is held over (either) the last weekend in April or the first weekend
in May.
When Sandi and I along with Eric and Linda Cooper started the Fun Rally in
1982, POCA was, in fact, a Los Angeles based club with the majority of its
plus
or minus 300 members in the Southern California area.
The BIG events that we held were the Newporter Concourse D' Elegance in
June, and the annual trip to Monterey for the Pebble Beach Concourse and the
vintage auto races at Laguna Seca. Some then stayed over Monday to run with
the
Ferrari Club who rented Laguna Seca for their club, and invited POCA to run
with them. As an aside, we stopped being invited when we kept beating the
Ferrari's in the races.
Anyway, those were the two big events that POCA did for the year. The
calendar was fleshed out by 10 other events, each Board Member was
responsible for
one event a month; twelve board members, twelve events.
The first fun Rally was held in March 1982, and there was rain on the way
back, and the folks who drove from Colorado and points east, complained
about
the ice and snow conditions they faced on the way to and from the event.
Thus, we moved the event to the last weekend in April timeframe. This way,
we
didn't compete with the Concourse and the folks driving (usually) had better
conditions.
As time passed, more clubs/chapters started major events, Pocono, the Reno
Tahoe Fun Rally, and states began open road events, Silver State, etc.,
etc.,
etc.
Now the calendar is filled with major events, the cost of everything has
gone way up, and there is greater competition for your dollar, which doesn't
go
far, and discretionary income shrinks as necessities take up more and more
of
the available income.
To move the Fun Rally from its usual timeframe would mean that whoever plans
the event would have to make sure there are no (or very few) conflicts with
other events, not over a major holiday, i.e., Mothers day, not conflict with
school, if possible, and too many other factors to list here. Well, just a
few, hotel availability, prices, other event (not Pantera related)
conflicts,
etc.
This is not to say that the dates can't be moved, just that it is not as
easy as some would think.
My two cents worth.
Kent Snyder
In a message dated 4/2/2008 8:51:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
cuvee at sbcglobal.net writes:
Put something together and they may come?
michael frazier wrote:
Why does it have to move 6 months? How about a smaller time shift to
accomodate school, ORR events etc.
It's always too close to the Big Bend event that some of the TEXAS people
like to attend...everything seems to
be Kalifornia-centric. :) A smile for those surely offended.
Michael
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> From: jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com> To: artstephens at charter.net;
detomaso at realbig.com> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 20:53:07 -0500> Subject: Re:
[DeTomaso] How
About Vegas Covention in March?> > Hey Art.> > I appreciate your thoughts on
this and encouragement to get others to offer > their opinion.> > I have
been
eager to consider alternative dates for other reasons.> > I would like to
see the event held at a Venue where we could show the cars > in a Ballroom.
I
would love to see the Vendors display their latest > restorations.
Additionally, I would enjoy establishing a Chapter Car Show > Competition
where each
Chapter selects one car from their membership to be > displayed in th
ballroom
and a team of judges awards a winner. I don't know > what the criteia for
the
show would be and perhaps a car may only be shown > once every "X" number of
years. My aim would be to get the Pantera Vendors > talents showcased and
create some teamwork amoung the Chapter members to > work together
in prepping a member's car. Those who have attended the Plaza > know that
there is a genuine advantage to looking at cars in an indoor > environment
with
your favorite beverage in hand. This is an element of the > Fun Rally that
could help keep it fresh year to year.> > That said, the challenge faced
with
the current dates for the Fun Rally is > that it is Las Vegas peak season
and
it is therefore difficult to afford the > Resort Hotels that could
accommodate the display of cars indoors. If we > were in Vegas during the
off-season,
the opportunity would be different.> > As I have written before in the POCA
Newsletter, the nicer hotels, that > could accommodate cars indoors, would
force us to guarantee a certain number > of room reservations to provide us
the
Ballrooms at an affordable price. > During peak season those rooms would
almost be 2X the cost of the Orleans. > If we tried host the Fun Rally at
that
time of year, I fear many would stay > at less expensive venues
and commute to the Host hotel. As a consequence, > we would not mee!
t out ro
om target and break the POCA financial bank.> > I also believe that younger
owners with families find it difficult to attend > Vegas in late April/May.
The obstacle is that their children are in school > and parents are
reluctant
to take them out. I am in this boat and > appreciate the issue. If the Rally
was scheduled during school break, that > would help. This conundrum is
unfortunate as younger families represent an > expanding demographic of
DeTomaso
owners.> > If we held the Fun Rally in the summer, we could get superior
pricing and > families would be available. Although as you point out, it
would be
to hot > for the track event and the California owners, I am told, generally
do not > have working AC.> > Another issue to keep in mind is the
availability of the organizers. The > Event is orchestrated by very few
people. I know
at least one of them would > gladly step back if someone else would step up.
It is fine and dandy to say > lets have it in March; however, Bob
Reid is digging through tax returns and > couldn't be a resource? Who will
step up? This is not to say the Fun Rally > Committee is not open to change;
rather to make you more sensitive to the > issues involved. The committe has
made many changes over the last four > years to accommodate the will of the
majority. We want to create a > compelling reason for people to attend, make
new friends and have fun> > JT> Fun Rally Co-Chair > > >
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