[DeTomaso] Possible club/list/forum 351C dyno project?

bill gaino gaino at earthlink.net
Thu Sep 20 08:02:00 EDT 2007 

Dan has always been 'my man" I'm planning my own build on a spare too 2v myself. Count me in for some bucks. Need mailing address....Bill
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>From: wkooiman at earthlink.net
>Sent: Sep 19, 2007 10:17 PM
>To: hoppe1 <hoppe1 at cox.net>, Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>, detomaso at realbig.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Possible club/list/forum 351C dyno project?
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>Dan - you are awesome.  This is one of the reasons why the Pantera community is so cool.
>
>I could lend a CompCams 282S or CompCams 294s with matching solid lifters.
>
>The 282S is in my block right now.  The 294S is new-in-box waiting for its new home.
>
>Once the data is crunched and pics taken, this could easily be a feature in Hot Rod (or other rags).
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: hoppe1 <hoppe1 at cox.net>
>>Sent: Sep 19, 2007 8:56 PM
>>To: Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>, detomaso at realbig.com
>>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Possible club/list/forum 351C dyno project?
>>
>>Dan
>>I am in.  Let me know how I can help.
>>Rich Hoppe
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Daniel C Jones" <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
>>To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 3:37 PM
>>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Possible club/list/forum 351C dyno project?
>>
>>
>>>> You've helped a lot of us on this forum including me. Your knowledge is
>>>> priceless. Count me in.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>> Count me in for both cash and parts.  What do you need?
>>>
>>> Thanks!  As far as parts, I'm not exactly sure what will be needed yet.
>>> I've just moved and am still unpacking and building shelves for my parts
>>> stash.  I've got the heads and intakes inventoried but I still need to go
>>> through the boxes for things like springs, valves, timing chains, etc.
>>> Let me finish the unpacking then I'll post an inventory here and we can
>>> start filling in the gaps.
>>>
>>>> Team Pantera Racing will be proud to donate.
>>>
>>> Cool, thanks!
>>>
>>>> I'd offer the use of a Performer, Torker, and a stock manifold.
>>>
>>> I have all of those available.  Actually, I have an F-351 which is
>>> the early model of the Performer.  It might be worthwhile to compare
>>> them side-by-side but I believe they are identical except for the
>>> lettering.  As far as intakes go, I currently have the following
>>> intakes for a 9.2" block:
>>>
>>> 2V Intakes
>>>
>>> Offenhauser Dual Port 351C-2V (6012-DP or is it 6111-DP)
>>>  - dual port design (runners split into top and bottom sections, plenum
>>>    split fore and aft, primaries feed longer path lower runners, 
>>> secondaries
>>>    feed shorter path upper runners), spread bore bolt pattern
>>>
>>> Weiand X-Celerator 351V-2V (7516)
>>>  - low rise single plane with Holley carb bolt pattern, no EGR
>>>  - ports are larger than head ports.
>>>
>>> 4V Intakes
>>>
>>> Blue Thunder 351C-4V (p/n 4145)
>>>  - high rise dual plane with Holley carb bolt pattern
>>>
>>> Edelbrock F-351 4V
>>>  - low rise dual plane with Holley carb bolt pattern
>>>  - obsolete part number, replaced by Performer 351 4V
>>>  - runner ports are smaller than intake ports for increased velocity
>>>
>>> Edelbrock Torker 351 (P/N 2760)
>>>  - high rise single plane with Holley carb bolt pattern
>>>
>>> Ford 351C intake (p/n D1ZX-9425-DA)
>>>  - low rise dual plane with Holley carb bolt pattern and squarebore
>>>    throttle plate bores
>>>  - iron casting, fitted to early 4V engines fited with 4300 carbs
>>>
>>> Ford 351C 4V intake (p/n )
>>>  - low rise dual plane for Motorcraft 4300D (Holley bolt pattern
>>>    but spreadbore throttle plate bores
>>>  - iron casting, as fitted to CJ/4V engines
>>>
>>> Holley Strip Dominator 351C-4V (300-13)
>>>  - high rise air gap open plenum single plane with Holley carb bolt 
>>> pattern
>>>  - One unique feature is that the plenum opening is trapezoidal and
>>>    will directly mount a stock Motorcraft 4300D spreadbore carb.
>>>
>>>  Offenhauser Dual Port 351C-4V (6014-DP)
>>>   - dual port design (runners split into top and bottom sections, plenum
>>>     split fore and aft, primaries feed longer path lower runners, 
>>> secondaries
>>>     feed shorter path upper runners), spread bore bolt pattern
>>>   - ported (ex-Marino Perna)
>>>
>>> Offenhauser 360 Equa-Flow 351C-4V (5964)
>>>  - low rise single plane with Holley carb bolt pattern
>>>  - short runner design with split plenum (side-to-side), plenum divider
>>>    cut down and/or windowed
>>>
>>> Weiand Hi-Ram 351C-4V  (p/n 1996)
>>>  - tunnel ram for dual Holleys
>>>
>>> High Port Intakes (9.2" deck)
>>> M-9424-A331  (Edelbrock for A3 heads)
>>> M-9424-A331  (Roush for C302 heads)
>>> M-9424-B351  (Roush for C302 heads, short track)
>>> M-9424-D351  (Edelbrock for C302 heads, )
>>>
>>> I've also been offered the use of a complete Autolite In-line set up 
>>> (rebuilt
>>> with tuning parts) and possibly a D1ZX-9425-FA and Shelby 351C intakes
>>> If anyone has any other intakes not on the list above, let me know.
>>>
>>>> I have a stock carb, (and the whole top end, ie: air cleaner, evap 
>>>> canister
>>>> etc...)
>>>
>>> Got that covered.
>>>
>>>> and several Holley carbs.
>>>
>>> Which particular models?  My dyno guy uses a special Holley 950HP that
>>> seems to work well on everything and I have a Holley 735 set up for
>>> quick jet changes, as well a 600 and 750 vacuum secondar and 850
>>> annular booster models.  I also have 4300 and 4300D carbs.  If anyone
>>> has a good Rochester Quadrajet, I could use one of those.
>>>
>>>> I have several air cleaner assemblies of different sizes.
>>>
>>> I have a number of the usual drop base and standard base circular
>>> ones in 13" and 14" diameter, as well as a small oval, a triangular
>>> foam, and a large oval.  If you've got something different let me
>>> know.
>>>
>>>> I have some spare DuraSpark ignitions.
>>>
>>> I've got two Mallory Unilites.  I may set one up with a steel gear
>>> and the other with an iron if we end up doing a roller versus flat
>>> tappet cam comparison.  Might be better to use a bronze gear on one
>>> for all tests.
>>>
>>>> I have two different exhausts.
>>>
>>> Which ones?
>>>
>>>> I also offer to host the results on my website.
>>>
>>> Asa has offered to host it but you and anyone else like Mike Daily
>>> at PanteraPlace.com are welcome to it.  I'll supply the ASCII content.
>>> If anyone wants to format for a wbesite, they are welcome to it.  If
>>> this all comes together, I imagine this stuff will spread across the
>>> 'net in various forms.
>>>
>>>> Let Dan post the results (wonderful write-ups).  Who ever wants to
>>>> host may do so. (with Dan's permission)
>>>
>>> I'll post the text only write-ups here.  I'll also take digital photos
>>> of all the parts that Asa will host on his website.  There will also
>>> be tables of dimensions, specs and flow bench data, etc.
>>>
>>>> I'll offer use of www.351c.info for documenting and tracking.
>>>
>>> Sounds good.
>>>
>>> Dan Jones
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