[DeTomaso] Possible club/list/forum 351C dyno project?
Garth Rodericks
garth_rodericks at yahoo.com
Thu Sep 20 00:43:16 EDT 2007
Great idea Dan! Thanks for offering to do this. So, count me in!
FWIW, I'd love to see the testing follow gradual simple changes first - headers, carb, intake
manifold, carb spacer, electronic ignition... Then progress onto bigger changes - heads,
cam & lifters, etc. The October 2006 issue of HotRod magazine did an article following a
similar process - "Junkyard Jewel: Pontiac 400" - and it was great to see just how much hp
they could massage out of a "tired" 400.
The started with a 100,000+ mile engine from the junkyard, then performed changes in stages:
Stage 1: Baseline Tune Up
336 lb-ft @ 2600 rpm
247 hp @ 4300 rpm
Cost: $138
Stage 2: 1-5/8" Headers
360 lb-ft @ 2900 rpm
262 hp @ 4300 rpm
Cost: $99
Stage 3: Ignition Mods
391 lb-ft @ 2800 rpm
274 hp @ 4400 rpm
Cost: $95
Stage 4: Cam & Valvetrain
391 lb-ft @ 3800 rpm
326 hp @ 4800, 5000, and 5100 rpm
Cost: $1135
Stage 5: Rebuild Engine
407 lb-ft @ 3800 rpm
352 hp @ 5300 rpm
Cost: $1450
Stage 6: Intake Manifold
407 lb-ft @ 3800 and 4200 rpm
361 hp @ 5300-5400 rpm
Cost: $214
Stage 7: Carb Swap
419 lb-ft @ 3800 rpm
367 hp @ 5400 rpm
Cost: $440
Stage 8: Head Swap
478 lb-ft @ 4100 rpm
465 hp @ 5700-5800 rpm
Cost: $2309
I would have liked to see the stages start with only the bolt-on's and then progress to Cam and valvetrain, heads, rebuild, etc.
So, my recommendation would be to do something similar, but in the following order...
Stage 1: Baseline tune-up
Stage 2: Headers - Several types would be fun
Stage 3: Ignition - Duraspark, Mallory Unilite, etc.
Stage 4: Carb - I'd particularly like to see the Holley Avenger 670 tried, as well as a 600-750 cfm Demon.
Stage 5: Intake manifolds - Stock cast iron, Blue Thunder; Edelbrock Performer, AirGap, Torker; Autolite inline (very cool! - I've seen it in your photo album); MadDawg's IR EFI; and others
Stage 6: Cam & Valvetrain - maybe several different cams (I'm personally interested in more power, but not at the expense of daily driveability)
Stage 7: Heads - Stock Open Chamber, Stock Close Chamber, A3's, CHI's, Edelbrocks, etc. (I think you've already done extensive flow and dyno testing on a number of heads, so no need to go sourcing expensive aftermarket units. but a comparison of the open and closed chamber 4V heads would be great)
Stage 8: Rebuild - then ship to me in CA since my motor is at the end of it's life
Seriously, probably not a need to "rebuild" for the sake of this test.
Anyway, there's my 2-cents.
Thanks!
Garth
www.banzairunnerpantera.com
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