[DeTomaso] Possible club/list/forum 351C dyno project?

Wed Sep 19 21:56:56 EDT 2007

Dan
I am in.  Let me know how I can help.
Rich Hoppe
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel C Jones" <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Possible club/list/forum 351C dyno project?


>> You've helped a lot of us on this forum including me. Your knowledge is
>> priceless. Count me in.
>
> Thanks!
>
>> Count me in for both cash and parts.  What do you need?
>
> Thanks!  As far as parts, I'm not exactly sure what will be needed yet.
> I've just moved and am still unpacking and building shelves for my parts
> stash.  I've got the heads and intakes inventoried but I still need to go
> through the boxes for things like springs, valves, timing chains, etc.
> Let me finish the unpacking then I'll post an inventory here and we can
> start filling in the gaps.
>
>> Team Pantera Racing will be proud to donate.
>
> Cool, thanks!
>
>> I'd offer the use of a Performer, Torker, and a stock manifold.
>
> I have all of those available.  Actually, I have an F-351 which is
> the early model of the Performer.  It might be worthwhile to compare
> them side-by-side but I believe they are identical except for the
> lettering.  As far as intakes go, I currently have the following
> intakes for a 9.2" block:
>
> 2V Intakes
>
> Offenhauser Dual Port 351C-2V (6012-DP or is it 6111-DP)
>  - dual port design (runners split into top and bottom sections, plenum
>    split fore and aft, primaries feed longer path lower runners, 
> secondaries
>    feed shorter path upper runners), spread bore bolt pattern
>
> Weiand X-Celerator 351V-2V (7516)
>  - low rise single plane with Holley carb bolt pattern, no EGR
>  - ports are larger than head ports.
>
> 4V Intakes
>
> Blue Thunder 351C-4V (p/n 4145)
>  - high rise dual plane with Holley carb bolt pattern
>
> Edelbrock F-351 4V
>  - low rise dual plane with Holley carb bolt pattern
>  - obsolete part number, replaced by Performer 351 4V
>  - runner ports are smaller than intake ports for increased velocity
>
> Edelbrock Torker 351 (P/N 2760)
>  - high rise single plane with Holley carb bolt pattern
>
> Ford 351C intake (p/n D1ZX-9425-DA)
>  - low rise dual plane with Holley carb bolt pattern and squarebore
>    throttle plate bores
>  - iron casting, fitted to early 4V engines fited with 4300 carbs
>
> Ford 351C 4V intake (p/n )
>  - low rise dual plane for Motorcraft 4300D (Holley bolt pattern
>    but spreadbore throttle plate bores
>  - iron casting, as fitted to CJ/4V engines
>
> Holley Strip Dominator 351C-4V (300-13)
>  - high rise air gap open plenum single plane with Holley carb bolt 
> pattern
>  - One unique feature is that the plenum opening is trapezoidal and
>    will directly mount a stock Motorcraft 4300D spreadbore carb.
>
>  Offenhauser Dual Port 351C-4V (6014-DP)
>   - dual port design (runners split into top and bottom sections, plenum
>     split fore and aft, primaries feed longer path lower runners, 
> secondaries
>     feed shorter path upper runners), spread bore bolt pattern
>   - ported (ex-Marino Perna)
>
> Offenhauser 360 Equa-Flow 351C-4V (5964)
>  - low rise single plane with Holley carb bolt pattern
>  - short runner design with split plenum (side-to-side), plenum divider
>    cut down and/or windowed
>
> Weiand Hi-Ram 351C-4V  (p/n 1996)
>  - tunnel ram for dual Holleys
>
> High Port Intakes (9.2" deck)
> M-9424-A331  (Edelbrock for A3 heads)
> M-9424-A331  (Roush for C302 heads)
> M-9424-B351  (Roush for C302 heads, short track)
> M-9424-D351  (Edelbrock for C302 heads, )
>
> I've also been offered the use of a complete Autolite In-line set up 
> (rebuilt
> with tuning parts) and possibly a D1ZX-9425-FA and Shelby 351C intakes
> If anyone has any other intakes not on the list above, let me know.
>
>> I have a stock carb, (and the whole top end, ie: air cleaner, evap 
>> canister
>> etc...)
>
> Got that covered.
>
>> and several Holley carbs.
>
> Which particular models?  My dyno guy uses a special Holley 950HP that
> seems to work well on everything and I have a Holley 735 set up for
> quick jet changes, as well a 600 and 750 vacuum secondar and 850
> annular booster models.  I also have 4300 and 4300D carbs.  If anyone
> has a good Rochester Quadrajet, I could use one of those.
>
>> I have several air cleaner assemblies of different sizes.
>
> I have a number of the usual drop base and standard base circular
> ones in 13" and 14" diameter, as well as a small oval, a triangular
> foam, and a large oval.  If you've got something different let me
> know.
>
>> I have some spare DuraSpark ignitions.
>
> I've got two Mallory Unilites.  I may set one up with a steel gear
> and the other with an iron if we end up doing a roller versus flat
> tappet cam comparison.  Might be better to use a bronze gear on one
> for all tests.
>
>> I have two different exhausts.
>
> Which ones?
>
>> I also offer to host the results on my website.
>
> Asa has offered to host it but you and anyone else like Mike Daily
> at PanteraPlace.com are welcome to it.  I'll supply the ASCII content.
> If anyone wants to format for a wbesite, they are welcome to it.  If
> this all comes together, I imagine this stuff will spread across the
> 'net in various forms.
>
>> Let Dan post the results (wonderful write-ups).  Who ever wants to
>> host may do so. (with Dan's permission)
>
> I'll post the text only write-ups here.  I'll also take digital photos
> of all the parts that Asa will host on his website.  There will also
> be tables of dimensions, specs and flow bench data, etc.
>
>> I'll offer use of www.351c.info for documenting and tracking.
>
> Sounds good.
>
> Dan Jones
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