[DeTomaso] Possible club/list/forum 351C dyno project?

Wed Sep 19 18:09:12 EDT 2007

Sound good, thanks for contributing to the Pantera community!

Quoting asajay at asajay.com:

> That was my aim.  I've been conversing with Dan privately about this
> off and on for a while.  I can set up quite a few simple items, all of
> which would be non-subscription.  However, at some point there is
> content I am targeting to be subscription only.  But as for Dan's
> content, if he wishes to use this domain, the idea would be I would
> give him enough access and privileges that the content would be his
> own and not regurgitated through a third party.
>
> All he has to do is take me up on it.
>
> Asa Jay
>
> Quoting adin at frontier.net:
>
>> Might I offer a suggestion?
>>
>> Let Dan post the results (wonderful write-ups).  Who ever wants to
>> host may do so. (with Dan's permission)
>>
>> This way, all of us crusty/curmudgeous types don't have to kiss
>> anyone's back bumper (register or signin on some commie-faggot-spyring
>> website) to obtain information.
>>
>> Grouchy & Dirty, in Durango
>>
>>
>>
>> Quoting asajay at asajay.com:
>>
>>> I'll offer use of www.351c.info for documenting and tracking.
>>>
>>> Asa Jay
>>>
>>> Quoting Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>:
>>>
>>>> Dan,
>>>>
>>>>   Team Pantera Racing will be proud to donate.
>>>>
>>>>   Mad Dawg Antenucci
>>>>   Team Pantera Racing
>>>>
>>>> Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>   Would anyone be interested in donating (cash) or loaning (parts) to a
>>>> club/list/forum 351C dyno project?
>>>>
>>>> I recently picked up a spare 351C engine that was promised to me when
>>>> I purchased my white Pantera last year. Once back at the shop, I couldn't
>>>> resist pulling it apart. It looks like the engine was recently rebuilt.
>>>> It has closed chamber 4V heads, though they still have the infamous stock
>>>> valves. The timing chain is tight and the oil pan and pump are clean.
>>>> The piston tops and chambers have some carbon but it's thin enough I can
>>>> read the L2379F 0.030 stampings in the TRW flat top forged pistons. I
>>>> didn't notice any ridge at the tops of the bores. Has a Mellings M84AHV
>>>> (high volume, standard pressure) oil pump. The connecting rod balancing
>>>> pads are shiny, leading me to believe the engine was balanced when it was
>>>> rebuilt. This engine could be freshened up and fitted with stainless
>>>> one piece valves relatively inexpensively. However, I plan on building
>>>> a second stroker with high port heads for that Pantera and really don't
>>>> have much use for this engine. I was thinking about what to do with it,
>>>> when the idea of a dyno mule occurred to me. I've recently dyno'd a
>>>> couple of 408C strokers and posted the results here. Something similar
>>>> could be done with a 351C.
>>>>
>>>> I have an extensive collection of 351C cylinder heads including iron
>>>> open chamber 2V (real 351C as well as 351M/400), Aussie closed chamber
>>>> 2V, open chamber 4V, closed chamber 4V and A3/C302/C302B aluminum high
>>>> ports. I also have a selection of intake manifolds to match, several
>>>> spare blocks, and many other bits. What I propose is that I supply the
>>>> dyno mule engine and run the dyno tests over the winter until the money
>>>> runs out. I've helped a number of you to put together engine combinations
>>>> based upon the data I have on hand. Here's a chance to greatly expand
>>>> that database and answer a lot of questions. We could pool our resources
>>>> to fill in any gaps in parts that I might have and perhaps approach the
>>>> vendors to see if they would be willing to donate or loan parts to the
>>>> effort. I'll summarize all the tests and report here, as well as write
>>>> up an article (or perhaps a series of articles) for the POCA and/or PI
>>>> newsletters. I would also measure everything and enter it into a database
>>>> for use in testing and calibrating dyno simulation software. This is just
>>>> an idea at the moment but if there is sufficient interest in pursuing this
>>>> further, I'll put together a list of the parts I have on hand and also
>>>> discuss the project with my dyno guy. If you think of anything you'd like
>>>> to see tested, let me know.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Dan Jones
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