[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 40, Issue 30

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Make sure you take lots of pictures and do a nice write-up so others can
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I'm hearing a lot of thoughts about bigger and badder Pantera engines,
but everyone forgets about the good old 429/460 big blocks.  I converted
my 73 from a Cleveland to an 8.7 Liter (533 c.i. stroker).  You can
stroke a 429, get 521, use a 514 or 460 crate motor.  There is a little
fab work, none of which is permanent to the car(so it can always be
returned to a Cleveland).  I've read some of the articles on the 4.6
conversions and I got to say that looks way worse than what I had to do.
Although it would be nice to be injected, I figure that can always come
along later.  With aluminum heads my car weighs only about 100 lbs. more
than the Cleveland.  I'm buffing out the paint job now and then I'll be
doing all the engine bay detailing over the winter.  : )
 

Chris Christensen
Quality Manager
Dayton Rogers Corp
585-349-9326
585-349-4049 fax
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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Ford V10 (Michael Shortt)
   2. Re: Ford V10 (Daniel C Jones)
   3. Re: Ford V10 (Peter Kovacs)
   4. Re: Ford V10 (adin at frontier.net)
   5. Re: Ford V10 (Paul - Home)
   6. Re: Ford V10 (Michael Shortt)
   7. Re: Ford V10 (Larry - Ohio Time Corp)
   8. Re: Ford V10 (adin at frontier.net)
   9. Re: Rear Inner Fender Repair? (Biancoj at aol.com)
  10. Re: Idiot drives Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 219 MPH
      onpublic road - Autoblog (Mad Dog Antenucci)
  11. Re: Idiot drives Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 219	MPHonpublic
      road - Autoblog (Mark McWhinney)
  12. Re: Idiot drives Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 219	MPHonpublic
      road - Autoblog (Peter Kovacs)
  13. Reminder: PCNC Monthly Meeting Tonight (Mark McWhinney)
  14. Who's car is used in the latest ebay scam? (Ken Green)
  15. Bin ladins Liquor store Fun Game! (Michael Shortt)
  16. Re: Ford V10 (Curt Hall)
  17. Re: Who's car is used in the latest ebay scam? (msm at portata.com)
  18. Re: Idiot drives Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 219	MPHonpublic
      road - Autoblog (Ken Green)
  19. Re: Bin ladins Liquor store Fun Game! (Douglas Kelm)
  20. Ford V10 (Garth Rodericks)
  21. Re: Idiot drives Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 219	MPHonpublic
      road - Autoblog (Mad Dog Antenucci)
  22. [NPC] Ticonderoga for sale (Mark McWhinney)
  23. Re: [NPC] Ticonderoga for sale (asajay at asajay.com)
  24. Hazard warning switch (michael frazier)
  25. Hazard warning switch (Garth Rodericks)
  26. Re: Hazard warning switch (michael frazier)
  27. Re: Ford V10 (JDeRyke at aol.com)
  28. Re: Hazard warning switch (JDeRyke at aol.com)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:08:44 -0800
From: "Michael Shortt" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford V10
To: "David in Durango" <adin at frontier.net>
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I had both a 2000 and 2003 Excursion with the V10, great for towing a
10,000 lb trailer and it would criuse at 90 on the highway all day
long, but I never thought of it as anything special to be modified,
aside from a lack of performance parts ( K& N, Chip, Exhaust ) there
ain't much out there and it's not an attractive powerplant to be seen
in a Pantera engine bay in my opinion. Plus my Pantera with a highly
modified engine gets better gas mileage everywhere than the Excusion
did on the highway.
I averaged 9-10 when towing, 12-14 in town and 15-16 on the highway
w/o a trailer.
But in the truck, it was great.

Michael in Savannah

On 11/28/07, David in Durango <adin at frontier.net> wrote:
> Hmmmm, I just read they are close to the same length as a 4.6.
> 457 ft lbs, 350 hp (from the factory and before the supercharger).
More
> horsepower than my yellow wreck! and a little more torque . . . .
>
> Wonder what they weigh?
>
>
>
> anything is possible with cubic $
>
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford V10
>
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> >
> > In a message dated 11/28/07 22 46 29, shawkins777 at comcast.net
writes:
> >
> >
> >> Has anyone tried putting a Ford V10 in a Pantera yet?
> >>
> >
> > I seriously doubt it would fit.   It is substantially longer than a
V-8 I
> > think.   Plus, it's not very powerful (being biased towards very
low-end
> > torque).
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:30:51 -0600
From: "Daniel C Jones" <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford V10
To: detomaso at realbig.com
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> Hmmmm, I just read they are close to the same length as a 4.6.
> 457 ft lbs, 350 hp (from the factory and before the supercharger).
> More horsepower than my yellow wreck! and a little more torque . . . .

It's a 5.4L V8 with 2 extra cylinders so it is substantially longer as
well
as taller than a 4.6L.  The October 1999 issue of Mustang and Fords
magazine
listed a 4.6L SOHC at 600 lbs.  The 5.4L is taller and heavier and the
6.8L
heavier still.  Also may be an evolutionary dead end as Ford is working
on
a replacement V8.

Dan Jones


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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:44:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Peter Kovacs <peter-kovacs at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford V10
To: Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>, detomaso at realbig.com
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The 4.6 stroked to a 5.1 with a Kenne Bell supercharger may work very
well. Reliable, efficient and tame for putting around and quite capable
with right foot influence...just a guess.

Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com> wrote:  > Hmmmm, I just read
they are close to the same length as a 4.6.
> 457 ft lbs, 350 hp (from the factory and before the supercharger).
> More horsepower than my yellow wreck! and a little more torque . . . .

It's a 5.4L V8 with 2 extra cylinders so it is substantially longer as
well
as taller than a 4.6L. The October 1999 issue of Mustang and Fords
magazine
listed a 4.6L SOHC at 600 lbs. The 5.4L is taller and heavier and the
6.8L
heavier still. Also may be an evolutionary dead end as Ford is working
on
a replacement V8.

Dan Jones
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:23:43 -0700
From: adin at frontier.net
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford V10
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This makes more sense, although if going heavier I would want BIGGER.   
Maybe the rumor I heard was concerning the one-off (?) V10 based on a  
4.6?

The developemental is a 7.0?  I look forward to this, the mod motors  
never impressed me much.

thanks Dan,


David




Quoting Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>:

>> Hmmmm, I just read they are close to the same length as a 4.6.
>> 457 ft lbs, 350 hp (from the factory and before the supercharger).
>> More horsepower than my yellow wreck! and a little more torque . . .
.
>
> It's a 5.4L V8 with 2 extra cylinders so it is substantially longer as
well
> as taller than a 4.6L.  The October 1999 issue of Mustang and Fords
magazine
> listed a 4.6L SOHC at 600 lbs.  The 5.4L is taller and heavier and the
6.8L
> heavier still.  Also may be an evolutionary dead end as Ford is
working on
> a replacement V8.
>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:37:51 -0600
From: Paul - Home <thedrol at pobox.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford V10
To: detomaso at realbig.com
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Here's a link to a Ford V10 for you Pantera...

http://www.race-cars.com/engsales/cosworth/1195516318/1195516318ss.htm

Paul
#9270

adin at frontier.net wrote:
> This makes more sense, although if going heavier I would want BIGGER.

> Maybe the rumor I heard was concerning the one-off (?) V10 based on a

> 4.6?
> 
> The developemental is a 7.0?  I look forward to this, the mod motors  
> never impressed me much.
> 
> thanks Dan,
> 
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Quoting Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>:
> 
>>> Hmmmm, I just read they are close to the same length as a 4.6.
>>> 457 ft lbs, 350 hp (from the factory and before the supercharger).
>>> More horsepower than my yellow wreck! and a little more torque . . .
.
>> It's a 5.4L V8 with 2 extra cylinders so it is substantially longer
as well
>> as taller than a 4.6L.  The October 1999 issue of Mustang and Fords
magazine
>> listed a 4.6L SOHC at 600 lbs.  The 5.4L is taller and heavier and
the 6.8L
>> heavier still.  Also may be an evolutionary dead end as Ford is
working on
>> a replacement V8.
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:46:42 -0500
From: "Michael Shortt" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford V10
To: "Paul - Home" <thedrol at pobox.com>
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Can't you just imagine the sound, those babies probably hit 18,000 rpm
or
more!

Now that's an engine for an open road event!

Current exchange rate makes them cost  $119,706.77 plus shipping!

Ouch


Michael in Savannah

On Nov 29, 2007 11:37 AM, Paul - Home <thedrol at pobox.com> wrote:

> Here's a link to a Ford V10 for you Pantera...
>
> http://www.race-cars.com/engsales/cosworth/1195516318/1195516318ss.htm
>
> Paul
> #9270
>
> adin at frontier.net wrote:
> > This makes more sense, although if going heavier I would want
BIGGER.
> > Maybe the rumor I heard was concerning the one-off (?) V10 based on
a
> > 4.6?
> >
> > The developemental is a 7.0?  I look forward to this, the mod motors
> > never impressed me much.
> >
> > thanks Dan,
> >
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Quoting Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>:
> >
> >>> Hmmmm, I just read they are close to the same length as a 4.6.
> >>> 457 ft lbs, 350 hp (from the factory and before the supercharger).
> >>> More horsepower than my yellow wreck! and a little more torque . .
. .
> >> It's a 5.4L V8 with 2 extra cylinders so it is substantially longer
as
> well
> >> as taller than a 4.6L.  The October 1999 issue of Mustang and Fords
> magazine
> >> listed a 4.6L SOHC at 600 lbs.  The 5.4L is taller and heavier and
the
> 6.8L
> >> heavier still.  Also may be an evolutionary dead end as Ford is
working
> on
> >> a replacement V8.
> >>
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:50:56 -0500
From: "Larry - Ohio Time Corp" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford V10
To: <michael at michaelshortt.com>, "'Paul - Home'" <thedrol at pobox.com>
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<< hit 18,000 rpm>>

I think you will need to add in the price of a new tac too. I bet the
tac
would kill my car budget.

Larry (do it MD) - Cleveland



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Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:47 AM
To: Paul - Home
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford V10

Can't you just imagine the sound, those babies probably hit 18,000 rpm
or
more!

Now that's an engine for an open road event!

Current exchange rate makes them cost  $119,706.77 plus shipping!

Ouch


Michael in Savannah

On Nov 29, 2007 11:37 AM, Paul - Home <thedrol at pobox.com> wrote:

> Here's a link to a Ford V10 for you Pantera...
>
> http://www.race-cars.com/engsales/cosworth/1195516318/1195516318ss.htm
>
> Paul
> #9270
>
> adin at frontier.net wrote:
> > This makes more sense, although if going heavier I would want
BIGGER.
> > Maybe the rumor I heard was concerning the one-off (?) V10 based on
a
> > 4.6?
> >
> > The developemental is a 7.0?  I look forward to this, the mod motors
> > never impressed me much.
> >
> > thanks Dan,
> >
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Quoting Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>:
> >
> >>> Hmmmm, I just read they are close to the same length as a 4.6.
> >>> 457 ft lbs, 350 hp (from the factory and before the supercharger).
> >>> More horsepower than my yellow wreck! and a little more torque . .
. .
> >> It's a 5.4L V8 with 2 extra cylinders so it is substantially longer
as
> well
> >> as taller than a 4.6L.  The October 1999 issue of Mustang and Fords
> magazine
> >> listed a 4.6L SOHC at 600 lbs.  The 5.4L is taller and heavier and
the
> 6.8L
> >> heavier still.  Also may be an evolutionary dead end as Ford is
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> on
> >> a replacement V8.
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:33:50 -0700
From: adin at frontier.net
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford V10
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Actually, the WWII Ford Tank Motor is more what I had in mind. (V12?)

 From what I remember: twin cam, 4 valve, all alluminum, 1000 cubic
inches.

Yep.



Quoting Paul - Home <thedrol at pobox.com>:

> Here's a link to a Ford V10 for you Pantera...
>
> http://www.race-cars.com/engsales/cosworth/1195516318/1195516318ss.htm
>
> Paul
> #9270
>
> adin at frontier.net wrote:
>> This makes more sense, although if going heavier I would want BIGGER.
>> Maybe the rumor I heard was concerning the one-off (?) V10 based on a
>> 4.6?
>>
>> The developemental is a 7.0?  I look forward to this, the mod motors
>> never impressed me much.
>>
>> thanks Dan,
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Quoting Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>:
>>
>>>> Hmmmm, I just read they are close to the same length as a 4.6.
>>>> 457 ft lbs, 350 hp (from the factory and before the supercharger).
>>>> More horsepower than my yellow wreck! and a little more torque . .
. .
>>> It's a 5.4L V8 with 2 extra cylinders so it is substantially longer
as well
>>> as taller than a 4.6L.  The October 1999 issue of Mustang and   
>>> Fords magazine
>>> listed a 4.6L SOHC at 600 lbs.  The 5.4L is taller and heavier and
the 6.8L
>>> heavier still.  Also may be an evolutionary dead end as Ford is
working on
>>> a replacement V8.
>>>
>>> Dan Jones
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:38:29 EST
From: Biancoj at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Inner Fender Repair?
To: gow2 at rc-tech.net, Pantera007 at sbcglobal.net
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Cliff, do you have  pictures or video of the work you have already
completed, 
especially step by  step.
 
Joe  Bianco
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Charleston, SC



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1)


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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:41:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Idiot drives Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 219
	MPH	onpublic road - Autoblog
To: Peter Kovacs <peter-kovacs at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
Message-ID: <173912.80366.qm at web50101.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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Hey Peter,
   
  You don't have to be FUBAR to go that fast on a 2-lane road unless you
are also sharing that road with the public.
   
   That is the beauty of the open road races. The road is 'closed' to
the public the day of the event and the police and the community and
dept of Transp. are all the real reason we can participate in this kind
of competition.   
   
  So whether you go to Nevada, Texas, Nebraska or Mexico to make the ORR
it is mor about a test of your engine and how you set the Pantera (or
Mangusta) up to run. Whether its cops or guys in all most new Lambo's,
Ferrari's, Porsche's and Vettes giving you high 5's at the finish line
its all good. 
   
  P.S. I've traded 1-finger salutes with other ORR drivers and police
and  its hard to see the grins through shielded full face helmets but
you KNOW the grins are there ;-]  
   
  Dawg

Peter Kovacs <peter-kovacs at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    Mad Dog,
   
  I know I'll never have the b@!!$ to go WOT for that long. 5 minutes
tempting parts failure or human error is about all I can take. I'll
leave the real glory to a nut like you. Now imagine me giving you a
thumbs up...........might not be a "thumbs" up though...
   
  Sincerely,
   
   Playful Puppy Kovacs

Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com> wrote:
    You homo's 5 minute thrill rides are killing me. You  haven't lived
until you have blown by several cop cars on fire at 175 MPH through the
Silver State radar traps as they shot your Pantera with multiple radar
guns and they all gave you a thumbs up as you were doing it.......It
might not of been a thumbs up though...
   
  Mad Dawg
  Team Pantera Racing
  "If it was easy you'd do it"
  www.teampanteraracing.com
   
   
  PS. NORC/Silver State May 2008 - Just 6 months
www.silverstateclassic.com
  
Peter Kovacs <peter-kovacs at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
  Many years ago in the Saleen, I was sharing a "testosterone moment"
going through 580 in Livermore when a CHP entered the onramp. I went
past with the speedo reading 155 mph. Needless to say, I got pulled
over. He wrote the ticket for 75+++ and told me very clearly that if I
took it to court, he would tell the judge how fast I was really going.
Good thing he never saw the Corvette!

asajay at asajay.com wrote: HAHAHA,

I passed a State Patrol car this morning. Speed Limit 60, me going 
60, him going 55. Once I passed him, the freeway was nice and clear 
ahead of me with no other traffic. Funny how nobody else passed him 
though. :)

Asa Jay


Quoting Mark McWhinney :

>
>>> Not that I haven't done stupid things, but they weren't planned in
advance
> and I sure as heck wasn't stupid enough to videotape them and then
post it
> on the Internet, he should be locked up for being stupid too.
>
>
> I got a ticket once for passing a car at speed. The car was black and
white
> with lights on top which should have tipped me off, but I was not
paying
> attention. The officer said that he was giving me the ticket not for
> speeding but for being an idiot.
>
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:51:53 -0800
From: "Mark McWhinney" <msm at portata.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Idiot drives Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 219
	MPHonpublic road - Autoblog
To: "'Mad Dog Antenucci'" <teampantera at yahoo.com>,	"'Peter Kovacs'"
	<peter-kovacs at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
Message-ID:
	<20071129185204.E4C69E38047 at smtpauth02.csee.onr.siteprotect.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"


Why do they call it open road racing if its on a closed road?  Is it one
of
those Zen imponderables like 2x4s that aren't 2x4 or the Holy Roman
Empire
that was neither holy nor Roman nor an empire?

Mark -- feeling verklempt



-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
On
Behalf Of Mad Dog Antenucci
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 10:41 AM
To: Peter Kovacs
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Idiot drives Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 219
MPHonpublic road - Autoblog

Hey Peter,
   
  You don't have to be FUBAR to go that fast on a 2-lane road unless you
are
also sharing that road with the public.
   
   That is the beauty of the open road races. The road is 'closed' to
the
public the day of the event and the police and the community and dept of
Transp. are all the real reason we can participate in this kind of
competition.   
   




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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:27:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Peter Kovacs <peter-kovacs at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Idiot drives Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 219
	MPHonpublic road - Autoblog
To: Mark McWhinney <msm at portata.com>,	'Mad Dog Antenucci'
	<teampantera at yahoo.com>
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
Message-ID: <477877.62777.qm at web80606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

.....like "moral majority"?

Mark McWhinney <msm at portata.com> wrote:  
Why do they call it open road racing if its on a closed road? Is it one
of
those Zen imponderables like 2x4s that aren't 2x4 or the Holy Roman
Empire
that was neither holy nor Roman nor an empire?

Mark -- feeling verklempt



-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
On
Behalf Of Mad Dog Antenucci
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 10:41 AM
To: Peter Kovacs
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Idiot drives Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 219
MPHonpublic road - Autoblog

Hey Peter,

You don't have to be FUBAR to go that fast on a 2-lane road unless you
are
also sharing that road with the public.

That is the beauty of the open road races. The road is 'closed' to the
public the day of the event and the police and the community and dept of
Transp. are all the real reason we can participate in this kind of
competition. 






Peter Kovacs
  Property Equity & Mortgage Mgmt
  209 345-6708 
  209 523-4919 fx


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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:40:38 -0800
From: "Mark McWhinney" <msm at portata.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Reminder: PCNC Monthly Meeting Tonight
To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
Message-ID:
	<20071129194050.610B0E38030 at smtpauth02.csee.onr.siteprotect.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"


http://www.panteraclubnorcal.com/events/monthly_meeting.htm






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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:57:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Who's car is used in the latest ebay scam?
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Message-ID: <849518.51214.qm at web30809.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1973-de-Tomaso-Pantera-BUY-IT-NOW-9500_W0
QQitemZ280178749914

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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:59:14 -0500
From: "Michael Shortt" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Bin ladins Liquor store Fun Game!
To: "Dick Koch" <arkoch at earthlink.net>
Cc: List <detomaso at realbig.com>
Message-ID:
	<29a6b52c0711291159p2920fa50i2161d893761397fa at mail.gmail.com>
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 *This is not from Homeland Security since they are so Politically
Correct.
*
*For sharpening your marksman skills.*
    *Handgun is* ***laser aimed. ** A word of caution. . . ** you could
really get addicted to this** **game!** *
        * ** http://www.sizor.com/flash/binladen.htm**    *







-- 
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Savannah, Georgia
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:06:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford V10
To: michael at michaelshortt.com, Paul - Home <thedrol at pobox.com>
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
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Yeah, 18,000 RPMs though 180s!!!

Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:  Can't you just imagine
the sound, those babies probably hit 18,000 rpm or
more!

Now that's an engine for an open road event!

Current exchange rate makes them cost $119,706.77 plus shipping!

Ouch


Michael in Savannah

On Nov 29, 2007 11:37 AM, Paul - Home wrote:

> Here's a link to a Ford V10 for you Pantera...
>
> http://www.race-cars.com/engsales/cosworth/1195516318/1195516318ss.htm
>
> Paul
> #9270
>
> adin at frontier.net wrote:
> > This makes more sense, although if going heavier I would want
BIGGER.
> > Maybe the rumor I heard was concerning the one-off (?) V10 based on
a
> > 4.6?
> >
> > The developemental is a 7.0? I look forward to this, the mod motors
> > never impressed me much.
> >
> > thanks Dan,
> >
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Quoting Daniel C Jones :
> >
> >>> Hmmmm, I just read they are close to the same length as a 4.6.
> >>> 457 ft lbs, 350 hp (from the factory and before the supercharger).
> >>> More horsepower than my yellow wreck! and a little more torque . .
. .
> >> It's a 5.4L V8 with 2 extra cylinders so it is substantially longer
as
> well
> >> as taller than a 4.6L. The October 1999 issue of Mustang and Fords
> magazine
> >> listed a 4.6L SOHC at 600 lbs. The 5.4L is taller and heavier and
the
> 6.8L
> >> heavier still. Also may be an evolutionary dead end as Ford is
working
> on
> >> a replacement V8.
> >>
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:25:04 -0800
From: <msm at portata.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Who's car is used in the latest ebay scam?
To: "'Ken Green'" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
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Colin Haney's car?


-----Original Message-----
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On
Behalf Of Ken Green
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:58 AM
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Who's car is used in the latest ebay scam?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1973-de-Tomaso-Pantera-BUY-IT-NOW-9500_W0
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:38:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Idiot drives Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 219
	MPHonpublic road - Autoblog
To: Peter Kovacs <peter-kovacs at sbcglobal.net>,	Mark McWhinney
	<msm at portata.com>,	'Mad Dog Antenucci'
<teampantera at yahoo.com>
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
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Actually, a rough cut 2 by 4 is 2 by 4, an S4S 2 by 4 has been smoothed
to the size you are use to seeing.  
   
  Ken

Peter Kovacs <peter-kovacs at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
  .....like "moral majority"?

Mark McWhinney wrote: 
Why do they call it open road racing if its on a closed road? Is it one
of
those Zen imponderables like 2x4s that aren't 2x4 or the Holy Roman
Empire
that was neither holy nor Roman nor an empire?

Mark -- feeling verklempt



-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
On
Behalf Of Mad Dog Antenucci
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 10:41 AM
To: Peter Kovacs
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Idiot drives Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 219
MPHonpublic road - Autoblog

Hey Peter,

You don't have to be FUBAR to go that fast on a 2-lane road unless you
are
also sharing that road with the public.

That is the beauty of the open road races. The road is 'closed' to the
public the day of the event and the police and the community and dept of
Transp. are all the real reason we can participate in this kind of
competition. 






Peter Kovacs
Property Equity & Mortgage Mgmt
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209 523-4919 fx
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:20:07 -0600
From: "Douglas Kelm" <dakelm at qwest.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Bin ladins Liquor store Fun Game!
To: <michael at michaelshortt.com>, "Dick Koch" <arkoch at earthlink.net>
Cc: List <detomaso at realbig.com>
Message-ID: <037401c832d6$0054b280$0300a8c0 at domain.actdsltmp>
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My best score in about a 20 minute session: 95,500. It's very difficult
to
score over 100,000, although a few years ago I did it. Hint: It's better
to
kill a hostage than let a Bin Laden escape (just be sure you hit the
terrorist hiding behind the hostage)! Don't worry about wasting
ammunition,
you have an unlimited amount. It's the missed terrorists that will spell
your defeat (game over when 10 terrorists escape (are missed)).


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Shortt" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
To: "Dick Koch" <arkoch at earthlink.net>
Cc: "List" <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:59 PM
Subject: [DeTomaso] Bin ladins Liquor store Fun Game!


> *This is not from Homeland Security since they are so Politically
Correct.
> *
> *For sharpening your marksman skills.*
>     *Handgun is* ***laser aimed. ** A word of caution. . . ** you
could
> really get addicted to this** **game!** *
>         * ** http://www.sizor.com/flash/binladen.htm**    *
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Michael L. Shortt
> Savannah, Georgia
> www.michaelshortt.com
> michael at michaelshortt.com
>
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:54:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Ford V10
To: detomaso at realbig.com, adin at frontier.net
Message-ID: <648518.15366.qm at web56914.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

More info here:
  http://www.enginehistory.org/featured_engines.htm
   
  And here's the engine installed in a Mustang:
 
http://www.mustangblog.com/index.php/2007/70-mustang-with-1100-ci-sherma
n-tank-engine/
   
   

       
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it now.

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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:30:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Idiot drives Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 219
	MPHonpublic road - Autoblog
To: Peter Kovacs <peter-kovacs at sbcglobal.net>, Mark McWhinney
	<msm at portata.com>
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
Message-ID: <858877.88256.qm at web50107.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

military intelligence?

Peter Kovacs <peter-kovacs at sbcglobal.net> wrote:  .....like "moral
majority"?

Mark McWhinney wrote: 
Why do they call it open road racing if its on a closed road? Is it one
of
those Zen imponderables like 2x4s that aren't 2x4 or the Holy Roman
Empire
that was neither holy nor Roman nor an empire?

Mark -- feeling verklempt



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From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
On
Behalf Of Mad Dog Antenucci
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 10:41 AM
To: Peter Kovacs
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Idiot drives Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 219
MPHonpublic road - Autoblog

Hey Peter,

You don't have to be FUBAR to go that fast on a 2-lane road unless you
are
also sharing that road with the public.

That is the beauty of the open road races. The road is 'closed' to the
public the day of the event and the police and the community and dept of
Transp. are all the real reason we can participate in this kind of
competition. 






Peter Kovacs
Property Equity & Mortgage Mgmt
209 345-6708 
209 523-4919 fx
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:56:40 -0800
From: "Mark McWhinney" <msm at portata.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] [NPC] Ticonderoga for sale
To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"


Just the messenger -- I found this in the Tools For Sale section on
Craigslist.  I have been looking for one for a while, but I can never
find
it when I need it.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/tls/493586906.html






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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:20:35 -0800
From: asajay at asajay.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] [NPC] Ticonderoga for sale
To: detomaso at list.realbig.com
Message-ID: <20071129172035.n4bm935j8k8w8oc4 at webmail.asajay.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=ISO-8859-1;	DelSp="Yes";
	format="flowed"

Please note the higher quality versions come with lead and not a  
brilliant light source.

Asa Jay

Quoting Mark McWhinney <msm at portata.com>:

>
> Just the messenger -- I found this in the Tools For Sale section on
> Craigslist.  I have been looking for one for a while, but I can never
find
> it when I need it.
>
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/tls/493586906.html
>
>
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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:46:46 -0600
From: michael frazier <red3644 at hotmail.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Hazard warning switch
To: pantera list <detomaso at realbig.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-W173F64881D5FE12B7D533AB9710 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"


I've been trying to find the cause of my non functional turn signals.
All the running and turn lights
flash when activated through the hazard switch, but no turn signal with
the hazards off and using the turn signal stalk.  I figured that power
wasn't getting through the hazard switch...yellow wire to green with
flashers on and yellow to red with flashers off.  I have the switch out
and thats what the tester shows.  This is the 1st time I've ever had
trouble with a hazard switch.  Dirty
or broken contact I guess.  Can you get these apart?  Cleaning ideas?
Replace it with what?
Any thoughts appreciated.
Michael
Gruppo Rompiculi Corsa Y'all.
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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:57:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Hazard warning switch
To: detomaso at realbig.com, red3644 at hotmail.com
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Here's how to disassemble the Hazard Switch:
  http://www.banzairunnerpantera.com/updates_hazardswitch.htm
   

       
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Message: 26
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:29:18 -0600
From: michael frazier <red3644 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Hazard warning switch
To: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>,
	<detomaso at realbig.com>
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Very Groovy!  The Hazard Switch is now working.  Thanks Garth for the
link.  It came apart
pretty easily...no puncture wounds.  I just used steady bending pressure
with a little prying
after a got a gap between the parts.  Mine was working fine
mechanically, but not electrically.
When I got it apart. one of the little ears on the center section looked
like it may have been bent during assembly and finally quit making
contact.  The really painful part is still to come...getting the locking
ring back on.  Thanks again.
Michael...flashing again.
 


Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:57:32 -0800From:
garth_rodericks at yahoo.comSubject: Hazard warning switchTo:
detomaso at realbig.com; red3644 at hotmail.com
Here's how to disassemble the Hazard Switch:
http://www.banzairunnerpantera.com/updates_hazardswitch.htm
 


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Message: 27
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:33:16 EST
From: JDeRyke at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford V10
To: adin at frontier.net, detomaso at realbig.com
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In a message dated 11/29/07 10:34:57 AM, adin at frontier.net writes:


> From what I remember: twin cam, 4 valve, all alluminum, 1000 cubic
inches. 
> Yep...
> 

Yeah, and a 300 pound crankshaft according to Leno! Bulldozer frames
don't 
make for good handling. Good luck- Jd 


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Message: 28
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:45:11 EST
From: JDeRyke at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Hazard warning switch
To: red3644 at hotmail.com, detomaso at realbig.com
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In a message dated 11/29/07 5:47:36 PM, red3644 at hotmail.com writes:

> Dirty or broken contact I guess.? Can you get these apart?? Cleaning 
> ideas?? Replace it with what?
> 
Two weeks ago there was such a thread. On the back of the switch are
metal 
tabs; bend them straight and the body comes apart. The innards are
spring-loaded 
and a cam-groove is cut into the side of the body. A contactor rides in
the 
slot and makes contact with various points as its pushed in. What
usually 
happens is the plastic body swells as a result of 35 years of spring
pressure and 
the contactor pops out of the groove. I shimmed mine back into its
groove; 
others use a small hose clamp around the OD to squeeze the body back
into a 
cylinder rather than a barrel shape. If you absolutely cannot fix it,
the switch 
from an early '70s Alfa seems to be similar but with slightly different
wire 
posts. Good luck- J Deryke


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