[DeTomaso] fuel cells, now race car

Mon May 28 15:52:38 EDT 2007

Jim,

We went with Lufthansa because time was critical.  Steve's shop is about a 
mile from LAX and we had just over a week to get the car there.  Steve 
literally still had a paint brush in-hand from touch-up work as I backed the 
car our of his shop to get it to Lufthansa.  Five days later it had gone to 
Frankfurt (their hub) and then to Heathrow, where it was waiting for me when 
I arrived.  On the return Trip, as it wasn't time-sensitive I had the car 
and its paraphernalia packed in a 20-foot container, locked and shipped via 
sea.  The interesting part is that when all was said and done shipping by 
sea was more expensive than by air.  By air was one fee that I paid upfront. 
I picked up the car and that was that.  By sea, there was what I thought was 
one fee- boxing it up and shipping it off.  Wrong.  On this end there were 
Harbor fees, Dock fees, Customs fees, De-vanning fees, etc.  Tossing in the 
insurance for the amount of "exposure time" with each carrier, going by sea 
was about $100. more expensive.

To answer your question directly Lufthansa cost $3800+ to ship the car, in 
2002 USD.  I've heard prices have gone up significantly since then.  There 
are significantly less expensive ways to ship cars across the pond but I for 
my own comfort level with the car I needed complete control over who would 
have physical access to my car.   Kind of like bulk rate versus special 
delivery.

Also realize your 1300 lb Fiat Abarth is just over half the weight of my car 
( I know, way too heavy for any respectable race car).  The weight of your 
car will significantly affect the cost of air shipment so it is at least 
worth a little investigative time.

Hope the information helps you in your planning.

Darrell

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles McCall" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: <pantdino at aol.com>; <teampantera at yahoo.com>; <mtjoy at telis.org>; 
<detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:27 AM
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] fuel cells, now race car

Jim -
You may not want to consider this option, but in 2002 I sent my '72 Pantera
from Le Havre, France, to Long Beach, CA via RORO - essentially a big ferry.
They drive it onto the ferry for you. It's the method used to import and
export basically 100% of the cars that cross the pond.

Total cost, including tax, title, and delivery, was under $1000.

In 1999, I sent my Pantera from New York to Le Havre... Total cost $750.

The method may or may not interest you, but at least you have another point
of reference.

-----Mensaje original-----
De: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] En
nombre de pantdino at aol.com
Enviado el: Monday, 28 May, 2007 8:16 PM
Para: teampantera at yahoo.com; mtjoy at telis.org; detomaso at realbig.com
Asunto: Re: [DeTomaso] fuel cells, now race car

 Darryll,

How much was it to air freight it with Lufthansa?

I'm in the process of shipping a little 1300 lb Fiat Abarth in a shared
container from Germany to Los Angeles and it looks like all the fees from
numerous sources will be over $5K, not including Duty.

Makes me wonder if I should have just air shipped it and been done with it.

Thank you,

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
To: Mountjoy <mtjoy at telis.org>; detomaso at realbig.com
Sent: Mon, 28 May 2007 10:37 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] fuel cells, now race car

Papa Darryll...I love the chicken coupe part best. Keep racing it.

  md

Mountjoy <mtjoy at telis.org> wrote:
  Dave and others,

Thanks for the invitation to share a little on my race car. I'll try to be
succinct and not to put anyone to sleep as there are literally volumes on
the car.

The car is known as a Sunbeam Lister Tiger, or more commonly as a Le Mans
Tiger. It is one of two coupé bodied cars, commissioned by Rootes Group and
built by Brian Lister of Cambridge (plus a development mule), to compete in
the 1964 24-Hours of Le Mans. The motors (260 CIDs) were supplied by Shelby
American. My car ran as Nº 9 (the sister car ran as Nº 8). Nº 9's drivers
were Peter Procter with Jimmy Blumer co-driving. Nº 8's driver is a familiar
name to Pantera people, Claude Dubois, with Keith Ballastat co-driving.
Unfortunately my car broke a crankshaft in the tenth hour, at full chat on
the pit straight. Earlier it had been clocked at 162+ mph on the Mulsanne
straight.

After Le Mans the car was lent to one of the development engineers from the
Le Mans effort who changed the suspension, putting a 5-link in back. He put
in a proper 289 motor with Weber 48 IDAs and made the car very successful in
the 1965 Championship series. The car was then sold to Alan Fraser Racing in
Scotland (close ties to Rootes Group) where it was cannibalized to create
what was known as the Monster Tiger. In the early '70s the remains,
basically the unibody shell, were discovered literally in a chicken coupe
and retrieved. It was then cobbled together using Jaguar bits and vintage
raced in the UK.

In the late '70s it was offered for sale. A man from California ended
purchasing it, found the Monster Tiger in the Canary Islands, bought it and
brought the two cars to the USA. He returned the original bits from the
Monster back to my car and had the car restored. That is when it was
photographed for Automobile Quarterly, Vol. 22, No 1. Eventually it was sold
to a man on the east coast and vintage raced in SVRA. In '01 it was offered
for auction at Monterey and I was the winning bidder. Shortly after
collecting the car a friend took it for an off-road excursion (don't ask).
Rather than put yet another bandage on a car that had "evolved" over time I
decided to do a full restoration, bringing the car back to its post-Le Mans
period in time. It was an eight-month nut-and-bolt project with sometimes
five people working on the was up to 15 hour days. What pushed the project
was that the car had been invited to the Goodwood Revival and accepted for
the inaugural Le Mans Classic. For the not too faint-of-heart or those I
haven't put asleep yet there is a pictorial exposé on the car's adventures
at Goodwood and Le Mans. It can be found at:
http://www.tigersunited.com/articles/dm-lister/MountjoyLemans.asp

Since then the car has been running mostly at the Monterey Historic and at
Coronado Speed Festival with General Racing Ltd. It is also at some of the
Concours events. The car is a blast to drive, right-hand drive, big ol'
tall, skinny bias tires and all. Get the corner set up just right, turn in,
feel the tires begin to drift, play with the pedal and wheel, squeeze in the
power and exit, kissing the far side of the track. What a rush.

It has been featured in or mentioned in various books and periodicals, most
recently the June issue of OCTANE magazine.

Thanks for letting me share a little. Proud Papa? You bet !

Darrell

Original Mesage:
> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 20:47:36 -0600
> From: adin at frontier.net
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] fuel cells
> To: detomaso at list.realbig.com
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> D,
> Why don't you tell the folks a little more about your car? I may even
> have a picture I can link to (the list strips attachements) so folks
> can see it.
>
> David in Durangp
>
> Quoting Mad Dog Antenucci :
>
>> Darryll,
>>
>> Most excellent 'real-world' feedback. When you can make it out here
>> Darryll, Team Pantera Racing will pick up your food, lodging and bar
>> tab...in fact try and make it to Silver State in Sept.
>>
>> Thanks mate!
>>
>>
>> Mad Dawg Antenucci
>> Teampantera Racing
>> "if it was easy you'd do it"

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