[DeTomaso] fuel cells, now race car

Mon May 28 14:53:22 EDT 2007

That would truly suck.. sorry to hear anyone would do that to ANY car, let
alone one that I can imagine was worth shipping across the ocean. 

The shipping companies basically can't be bothered to deal with any
individuals. They will only accept work from shipping brokers, who represent
a larger volume of work, as you say. When I was looking they at least had
the courtesy to tell me that they weren't interested in such small fry as
myself.  

My broker was great, had all the paperwork meticulously prepared, answered
all my questions, and made it painless from my point of view. I believe he
retired because I couldn't find him when I looked for him a few years ago. 

Just wanted to make sure you knew what the options were. 

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De: pantdino at aol.com [mailto:pantdino at aol.com] 
Enviado el: Monday, 28 May, 2007 8:45 PM
Para: charlesmccall at gmail.com; teampantera at yahoo.com; mtjoy at telis.org;
detomaso at realbig.com
Asunto: Re: [DeTomaso] fuel cells, now race car

Charles,

Yes, I was aware of that option. But the fellow who is serving as my
agent/adviser was strongly opposed to the idea after he shipped his car that
way once and had it vandalized (someone urinated down the carb,
necessitating an engine rebuild).

The biggest problem I had was that no companies could be bothered to even
return my emails when I was looking for one to ship it, RORO or otherwise.
So I just had to take what my agent recommended.
There's such a shortage of container space coming to the US that no one
wants to be bothered with one car from a customer who won't be a continuing
one.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: pantdino at aol.com; teampantera at yahoo.com; mtjoy at telis.org;
detomaso at realbig.com
Sent: Mon, 28 May 2007 11:27 am
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] fuel cells, now race car

Jim - 

You may not want to consider this option, but in 2002 I sent my '72 Pantera

from Le Havre, France, to Long Beach, CA via RORO - essentially a big ferry.

They drive it onto the ferry for you. It's the method used to import and

export basically 100% of the cars that cross the pond. 

Total cost, including tax, title, and delivery, was under $1000. 

In 1999, I sent my Pantera from New York to Le Havre... Total cost $750. 

The method may or may not interest you, but at least you have another point

of reference.  

-----Mensaje original-----

De: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
<mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com?> ] En

nombre de pantdino at aol.com

Enviado el: Monday, 28 May, 2007 8:16 PM

Para: teampantera at yahoo.com; mtjoy at telis.org; detomaso at realbig.com

Asunto: Re: [DeTomaso] fuel cells, now race car

 Darryll,

How much was it to air freight it with Lufthansa?

I'm in the process of shipping a little 1300 lb Fiat Abarth in a shared

container from Germany to Los Angeles and it looks like all the fees from

numerous sources will be over $5K, not including Duty.

Makes me wonder if I should have just air shipped it and been done with it.

Thank you,

Jim

-----Original Message-----

From: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>

To: Mountjoy <mtjoy at telis.org>; detomaso at realbig.com

Sent: Mon, 28 May 2007 10:37 am

Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] fuel cells, now race car

Papa Darryll...I love the chicken coupe part best. Keep racing it.

  md

Mountjoy <mtjoy at telis.org> wrote:

  Dave and others,

Thanks for the invitation to share a little on my race car. I'll try to be

succinct and not to put anyone to sleep as there are literally volumes on

the car.

The car is known as a Sunbeam Lister Tiger, or more commonly as a Le Mans

Tiger. It is one of two coupé bodied cars, commissioned by Rootes Group and

built by Brian Lister of Cambridge (plus a development mule), to compete in

the 1964 24-Hours of Le Mans. The motors (260 CIDs) were supplied by Shelby

American. My car ran as Nº 9 (the sister car ran as Nº 8). Nº 9's drivers

were Peter Procter with Jimmy Blumer co-driving. Nº 8's driver is a familiar

name to Pantera people, Claude Dubois, with Keith Ballastat co-driving.

Unfortunately my car broke a crankshaft in the tenth hour, at full chat on

the pit straight. Earlier it had been clocked at 162+ mph on the Mulsanne

straight.

After Le Mans the car was lent to one of the development engineers from the

Le Mans effort who changed the suspension, putting a 5-link in back. He put

in a proper 289 motor with Weber 48 IDAs and made the car very successful in

the 1965 Championship series. The car was then sold to Alan Fraser Racing in

Scotland (close ties to Rootes Group) where it was cannibalized to create

what was known as the Monster Tiger. In the early '70s the remains,

basically the unibody shell, were discovered literally in a chicken coupe

and retrieved. It was then cobbled together using Jaguar bits and vintage

raced in the UK.

In the late '70s it was offered for sale. A man from California ended

purchasing it, found the Monster Tiger in the Canary Islands, bought it and

brought the two cars to the USA. He returned the original bits from the

Monster back to my car and had the car restored. That is when it was

photographed for Automobile Quarterly, Vol. 22, No 1. Eventually it was sold

to a man on the east coast and vintage raced in SVRA. In '01 it was offered

for auction at Monterey and I was the winning bidder. Shortly after

collecting the car a friend took it for an off-road excursion (don't ask). 

Rather than put yet another bandage on a car that had "evolved" over time I

decided to do a full restoration, bringing the car back to its post-Le Mans

period in time. It was an eight-month nut-and-bolt project with sometimes

five people working on the was up to 15 hour days. What pushed the project

was that the car had been invited to the Goodwood Revival and accepted for

the inaugural Le Mans Classic. For the not too faint-of-heart or those I

haven't put asleep yet there is a pictorial exposé on the car's adventures

at Goodwood and Le Mans. It can be found at: 

http://www.tigersunited.com/articles/dm-lister/MountjoyLemans.asp

Since then the car has been running mostly at the Monterey Historic and at

Coronado Speed Festival with General Racing Ltd. It is also at some of the

Concours events. The car is a blast to drive, right-hand drive, big ol' 

tall, skinny bias tires and all. Get the corner set up just right, turn in,

feel the tires begin to drift, play with the pedal and wheel, squeeze in the

power and exit, kissing the far side of the track. What a rush.

It has been featured in or mentioned in various books and periodicals, most

recently the June issue of OCTANE magazine.

Thanks for letting me share a little. Proud Papa? You bet !

Darrell

Original Mesage:

> Message: 12

> Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 20:47:36 -0600

> From: adin at frontier.net

> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] fuel cells

> To: detomaso at list.realbig.com

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> D,

> Why don't you tell the folks a little more about your car? I may even 

> have a picture I can link to (the list strips attachements) so folks 

> can see it.

>

> David in Durangp

>

> Quoting Mad Dog Antenucci :

>

>> Darryll,

>>

>> Most excellent 'real-world' feedback. When you can make it out here 

>> Darryll, Team Pantera Racing will pick up your food, lodging and bar 

>> tab...in fact try and make it to Silver State in Sept.

>>

>> Thanks mate!

>>

>>

>> Mad Dawg Antenucci

>> Teampantera Racing

>> "if it was easy you'd do it"

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