[DeTomaso] Fuel Cells

Fri May 25 11:38:52 EDT 2007

Ken,

I suppose a 20 gal cell is possible but not within the confines of the
stock front trunk (a 20 gal gas tank might be a little easier?). The
10gal cells that I've seen have been customized to conform to the shape
of the front trunk but not require major modifications to the structure.
I don't think you could get more than a 5 gal rectangle cell up there.

Why would you want a fuel cell in a street car? 

Gray

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From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 10:00 AM
To: Gray Gregory; michael at michaelshortt.com; Mad Dog Antenucci
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel Cells

Gray,

      I'm looking at the nose fuel cell as a space management solution.
I am trying to build an efficient and fairly compact twin turbo motor
and actually have luggage space.  I also want short and as close to
straight headers as possible, and I think the best solution is to hang
the turbos off the heads on each side of the engine.  The only way I
think I can do that is to move the gas tank to the nose.  Because at
least some of the ORRs are ran at high altitudes, an efficient turbo
motor should be an excellent approach.

      I talked to Wilkinson last year, and I think he said they were
able to fit a 20 gal conformal fuel cell into the nose of a Pantera.  I
think a generic rectangular cell is limited to about 10 gal.

      I admit that this is becoming something of an engineering
exercise, but that's something I enjoy.  

Ken

Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com> wrote:

	The problem with fuel cells up front in a Pantera is cost and
capacity,
	especially for ORR. Only full race cars need to consider a fuel
cell, so
	we're talking about full race motors that will probably only
average 4-5
	MPG at race speed. 10 gallons is about all you can get in a
front fuel
	cell and there is no real benefit to having it up front for ORR
anyway.
	It makes much more sense for a track car where you might notice
a
	benefit from better weight distribution and 10 gal is sufficient
for the
	average vintage race or track session.

	Gray

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	On Behalf Of Michael Shortt
	Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 5:50 PM
	To: Mad Dog Antenucci
	Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
	Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel Cells

	I know being newly undead and all is challenging but if you read
that
	and do
	the math and notice the comma placement, it says "street car" at
15-17
	mpg
	and if you go back to the first part, a 100 mile race with 12
gallons is
	more like 8.5 mpg.

	The crack I have ever smoked was from friction.

	Michael in Savannah

	On 5/24/07, Mad Dog Antenucci wrote:
	>
	> Michael are you smoking crack? ;-]>
	> 10-12 gallons at a race under a 100 miles with 15-17 MPG?!!!
	> md
	>
	> *Michael Shortt * wrote:
	>
	> Yeah, I guess maybe 10-12 gallons, since most races fall under
100
	miles,
	> it
	> should be enough, if your street car gets 15-17 mpg, that's
almost up
	to
	> 175-200 miles, certainly enough in one sitting to warrant
getting out
	and
	> walking around a bit anyway.
	>
	> The floor was still there.
	>
	>
	> Michael in Savannah
	>
	>
	> On 5/24/07, www.DeTomasoRegistry.org
	wrote:
	> >
	> > I have photos of Eskahoff's (spelling ?) front fuel cell on
my old
	> > website.
	> >
	> > I think it is under "famous racers".
	> >
	> > Chuck
	> >
	> >
	> >
	> > In those photos it looks like the fuel cell is not below the
bottom
	of
	> > the trunk. That fuel cell could only hold a few gallons,
maybe 10?
	> >
	> > On 5/24/07, Ken Green wrote:
	> > > If the hood is covering a fuel cell, and a gas cap is
accessible
	> > through the hood, the hood could be attached to serve as a
sheer
	member.
	> > I'd guess that if the hood is semi permanently attached at
all 4
	> corners,
	> > there could be a substantial stiffening benefit, at least in
the
	> > horizontal
	> > plane.
	> > >
	> > >
	> > >
	> > >
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