[DeTomaso] Ladder-style engine bay brace

[Kirby Schrader]

I have the Hall kit on my car and, as I have said before, it helps a  
lot. Check my comments in the archives.

I agree completely with Gray. The full upper wheel well brace is by  
far the most effective of the bunch.

FWIW,
Kirby

On 1 May 2007, at 1:56 PM, Gray Gregory wrote:

> Doug,
>
> I seem to remember one / some of the early adopters of the Hall kit  
> doing some before and after measurements by jacking the car from  
> one or more corners and reporting significant improvement. I have  
> also heard others comment that the door will open and close  
> normally with one corner off the ground where it previously would not.
>
> The original Hall sys was a 4 piece kit that had front and rear  
> lower frame braces as well as front and rear upper braces. I don't  
> think I've seen any measurement data on just installing the rear  
> wheel well brace, but my hunch is that's the most effective piece  
> in the kit.
>
> Gray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso- 
> bounces at realbig.com] On Behalf Of Doug Braun
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 12:42 PM
> To: gow2 at rc-tech.net
> Cc: DeTomaso Forum
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ladder-style engine bay brace
>
> Gary,
>
> 	Stiffening the box at the rear using Goran's "X" design will also  
> help to
> stiffen the wheel wells.
>
> 	My main point though was, that to my knowledge, Goran is the only  
> one who
> has come up with a brace design of any kind, whether it be for  
> frame, box or
> wheel wells that has objective data to prove it works.  What I'm  
> looking for
> on the other designs is either frame-twist data like Goran's in  
> torsional
> units, before and after skid pad data, or before and after track  
> lap time
> data.  Has anything like this been done on the other brace designs?
>
> Doug Braun
> blue 73L #5505
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gow2 at rc-tech.net [mailto:gow2 at rc-tech.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 10:20 AM
> To: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Cc: doug at silicondesigns.com; mikeldrew at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ladder-style engine bay brace
>
>
>
> The X brace which many and Goran have talked about stiffens the  
> "box". The
> cross brace stiffens the wheel wells which are different problems.
>
> Gary
>
>>
>> In a message dated 5/1/07 9 27 39, doug at silicondesigns.com writes:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> This may be obvious to some, but not to me.  Which brace are you
>>> referring
>>> to here (the Pantera Proformance ladder?) and who measured its
>>> effectiveness?  I'd be interested in seeing some evidence of
>>> effectiveness
>>> for these designs.  The only one I've seen test data for so far is
>>> Goran's
>>> rear "X" brace.
>>>
>>
>> The Hall Pantera system (later copied by Precision Proformance  
>> with slight
>> modifications, mostly so that they can sell it as a true bolt-in  
>> kit as
>> opposed
>> to a finish-it-yourself project) may not be perfect, but it has been
>> proven to
>> work quite well by those who have it and swear by it.   Like I said
>> originally, I have NO objective, scientific test data, but rather  
>> just
>> some
>> before-and-after testimonials, as well as knowing nods of approval by
>> various
>> professionals (and by that I don't mean Pantera professionals, but  
>> rather
>> proper racing
>> engineers, structural engineers etc.) who have compared the design  
>> of the
>> systems.
>>
>> Goran's solutions are probably the 'best', but involve major  
>> construction
>> and
>> a lot of other compromises.
>>
>> Mike
>
>
>
>
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