[DeTomaso] Fw: Low Weber intake

Sat Mar 31 00:55:00 EDT 2007

There is a "never been used" 48IDF for a 302 on Ebay with a buy now for 
$2700 in case some one is interested. Guess the carbs would work on the new 
Cain manifold. Wish I had $2700 they sure look cool

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
To: "Will Demelo" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: Low Weber intake

>      I've read and been told that a proper belled velocity stack makes a 
> huge difference in HP.  Is there really any room for one with this 
> approach?
>
>        I have seen a lot of sheet metal intakes with nearly square shape 
> corners where the runners enter the plenum, and these seem to ignore the 
> need for a bell, so maybe it's not so important?
>
>  Ken
>
> Will Demelo <wdemelo at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>  the whole assembly will squeeze in below the Pantera engine screen. (2) 
> The
> 48 IDF carbys perform better on the street than the 48 IDA. (3) You can 
> have
> air filters to protect your motor from inhaling dust.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark Tumbarello"
> To: ;
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 7:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Low Weber intake
>
>
>> can you run webers without cutting the deck lid?
>>
>>
>>>From: asajay at asajay.com
>>>To: detomaso at realbig.com
>>>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Low Weber intake
>>>Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:53:57 -0800
>>>
>>>Will,
>>>
>>>Can you send a direct link for this posting? That would make it
>>>easier to reply to.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Asa Jay
>>>
>>>Quoting Will Demelo :
>>>
>>> > Again, from the PI board.... If you're interested, get on board
>>>(literally).
>>> > Will
>>> >
>>> > There has been a thread about this manifold in the engine forum
>>> > below. In case you weren't following I'll provide the full story
>>> > here. There was a manifold manufactured years ago in Australia by a
>>> > man named John Cain, designed for the 351C with 2V heads, that was
>>> > an individual runner manifold for Weber 48 IDF carburetors.
>>> >
>>> > What you are used to seeing on Panteras are Weber 48IDA carburetors.
>>> > The 48IDA is a racing carburetor with an idle circuit and a main
>>> > circuit (for wide open throttle). It is a very tall carburetor
>>> > designed with racing in mind, and has no provision for air
>>> > filtration. Achieving decent part throttle response requires
>>> > skillful blending of the idle metering circuit and the main metering
>>> > circuit. In contrast, the 48IDF is a street carburetor, it has been
>>> > original equipment on certain sports cars (such as Porsche) in the
>>> > days before fuel injection. It is a more compact, less tall
>>> > carburetor that has an intermediate metering circuit for proper and
>>> > reliable part throttle performance. It is also designed to be used
>>> > with air filter assemblies and Weber actually makes a line of air
>>> > filter assemblies for this carburetor.
>>> >
>>> > The manifold designed by John Cain has three appealing factors, (1)
>>> > it is low enough, that used in conjunction with the 48 IDF carbys
>>> > and the Weber air filters, the whole assembly will squeeze in below
>>> > the Pantera engine screen. (2) The 48 IDF carbys perform better on
>>> > the street than the 48 IDA. (3) You can have air filters to protect
>>> > your motor from inhaling dust.
>>> >
>>> > This manifold has been out of production for years. An Australian
>>> > gentleman named Mark, owning a company named Aussie Speed, has
>>> > acquired the rights to reproduce the John Cain line of intake
>>> > manifolds. I have approached him and he has began working on
>>> > preparing to reproduce the Cain 48 IDF Weber intake manifold for the
>>> > 351C. He is making a change to the design, by adding additional
>>> > flange material above the intake port, the manifold (designed for 2V
>>> > heads) will bolt up to 4V heads without leaking air. This is a
>>> > rather common practice in Australia for 351C intake manifolds.
>>> >
>>> > The price shall be $750 AUD, $605 USD at today's exchange rate, 10%
>>> > discount for orders of 2 to 5, which lowers the price down to $545
>>> > USD. Shipping is extra via UPS or Australian Postal. Mark could not
>>> > quote an availablity date because the manifold is being modified for
>>> > use with either 2V or 4V heads, he said he would have a better idea
>>> > in 2 or 3 weeks.
>>> >
>>> > So, at a price of $545 USD plus shipping, who is interested in a
>>> > Weber 48IDF intake manifold that will allow the Webers to fit below
>>> > the engine screen with air filters attached!
>>> >
>>> > Besides the iron 2V & 4V heads, this intake will work with
>>> > Australian 2V (i.e. 302C) heads, the alloy 2V heads from Edelbrock,
>>> > CHI or AFD, and by elongating the manifold bolt holes it will work
>>> > with the CHI 3V head too (although it will sit higher with the 3V
>>> > heads and possibly not fit below the engine screen).
>>> >
>>> > If you've ever said to yourself you would like to install Webers on
>>> > your Pantera IF ONLY they weren't so fussy to tune & keep tuned; or
>>> > IF ONLY they could fit below the engine screen; now is your
>>> > opportunity, for $545 plus shipping, to purchase a manifold that
>>> > will solve those problems by allowing use of the proper carburetor.
>>> >
>>> > I must hear from Julian & Marcus, if they are still interested. I
>>> > also welcome other SERIOUS buyers to chime in and be counted. If we
>>> > get more than 5 buyers, Mark has promised to negotiate an even
>>> > better discount for us.
>>> >
>>> > cowboy from hell
>>> > George Pence
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