[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 36, Issue 14
David Portal
dportal123 at gmail.com
Sat Jul 14 15:36:32 EDT 2007
I would like to know how you can tell when a car is a true GT5.
On 7/14/07, detomaso-request at realbig.com <detomaso-request at realbig.com>
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> 1. 6681 (Paul Roberts)
> 2. Re: Check this out (F&D Terry)
> 3. Re: Subject: Dynamat (Phil Lockett)
> 4. Re: Subject: Dynamat (Larry - Ohio Time Corp)
> 5. Re: Subject: Dynamat (Chris Difani)
> 6. Corvette suspension parts in Pantera? (C Eus)
> 7. Sucking it dry. (adin at frontier.net)
> 8. Re: aircar (Paul - Home)
> 9. Re: Corvette suspension parts in Pantera? (www.ProvaMo.com)
> 10. TORQUE SPECS REQUESTED (Chris Lewis)
> 11. Re: TORQUE SPECS REQUESTED (Ken Green)
> 12. Re: Subject: Dynamat (Ian H)
> 13. Re: TORQUE SPECS REQUESTED (David & Marilyn Bell)
> 14. Re: TORQUE SPECS REQUESTED (Tomas Gunnarsson)
> 15. Re: TORQUE SPECS REQUESTED (David & Marilyn Bell)
> 16. A3 heads and those stinking plugs (charles buthala)
> 17. Re: A3 heads and those stinking plugs (forestg at att.net)
> 18. Re: A3 heads and those stinking plugs (adin at frontier.net)
> 19. Re: A3 heads and those stinking plugs (Larry - Ohio Time Corp)
> 20. Re: TORQUE SPECS REQUESTED (Charles McCall)
> 21. pantera bought (Michael Shortt)
> 22. Re: Subject: Dynamat (MyCars)
> 23. Re: FUEL PUMPS (Art Stephens)
> 24. ARNOLD NEBRASKA ORR AUGUST 10-11 (Mad Dog Antenucci)
> 25. Re: Fuel Pump Question (Art Stephens)
> 26. Re: TORQUE SPECS REQUESTED (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
> 27. Re: TORQUE SPECS REQUESTED (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
> 28. Re: Fuel Pump Question (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
> 29. Re: Fuel Pump Question (Ken Green)
> 30. Re: Fuel Pump Question (Thomas Tornblom)
> 31. Catch can (pantera at kommevalla.se)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 06:13:46 -0500
> From: "Paul Roberts" <paulrob77 at cox.net>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] 6681
> To: <detomaso at list.realbig.com>
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> I purchased my 1974 L. Number is 6681. Purchased in April 1975 from Plaza
> Lincoln Mercury in Houston Texas.
>
> Paul Roberts
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:40:58 -0400
> From: F&D Terry <gt5s at bcpl.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Check this out
> To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
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> They are a constant displacement roots type blowers, therefore boost is
> limited by the amount of overdrive applied.
>
> Fred T.
>
> Ken Green wrote:
>
> > Fred,
> >
> > Is that a common chacteristic of the type of supercharger you
> > have? I assume it means the cyliders were about equally filled over
> > the range of RPM with nearly constant torque? Did you have anything
> > to limit boost?
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > F&D Terry <gt5s at bcpl.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Take a look at http://www.bcpl.net/~gt5s/dyno.jpg Torque and hp are
> > almost straight lines.
> >
> > This is from one of my early trips to the chassis dyno.
> >
> > Fred T.
> >
> > Kirby Schrader wrote:
> >
> > >And have a look at that torque curve!!
> > >
> > >
> > >http://www.theaircar.com/
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 06:28:25 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Phil Lockett <montecarlo296 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Subject: Dynamat
> To: Leonejay at aol.com, detomaso forum <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> Hi Peeps,
>
> Further to the waffling I did earlier in the week on sound deadening -
> this is the sort of stuff I use for low frequencies:
>
> http://www.casupply.co.uk/acatalog/bitumen_flashing.html
>
> It's pretty obvious that you guys in the states don't call it "flashing" -
> but you get the idea.
>
> Cheers
>
> Phil
>
>
> Bigger,louder, faster, better.
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:42:29 -0400
> From: "Larry - Ohio Time Corp" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Subject: Dynamat
> To: "'Phil Lockett'" <montecarlo296 at yahoo.com>, <Leonejay at aol.com>,
> "'detomaso forum'" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <S5245740AbXGMNqa/20070713134631Z+1681 at realbig.com>
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> Hi Phil,
>
> We only call it "flashing" when it is done on the roof. Any other place we
> call it 30 days in the slammer.
>
> Larry (trench coat) - Cleveland
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> On
> Behalf Of Phil Lockett
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 9:28 AM
> To: Leonejay at aol.com; detomaso forum
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Subject: Dynamat
>
> Hi Peeps,
>
> Further to the waffling I did earlier in the week on sound deadening -
> this is the sort of stuff I use for low frequencies:
>
> http://www.casupply.co.uk/acatalog/bitumen_flashing.html
>
> It's pretty obvious that you guys in the states don't call it "flashing" -
> but you get the idea.
>
> Cheers
>
> Phil
>
>
> Bigger,louder, faster, better.
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 06:55:46 -0700
> From: "Chris Difani" <cdifani at pacbell.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Subject: Dynamat
> To: "Phil Lockett" <montecarlo296 at yahoo.com>, <Leonejay at aol.com>,
> "detomaso forum" <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> Actually Phil, we do call it "flashing"... but only when we're talking
> about roofing, and roof construction....
>
> Chris
>
> Chris Difani
> '73 L #5829 "LITNNG"
> The Electric Pantera
> Sacramento, CA
> Email: cdifani at pacbell.net
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Lockett" <montecarlo296 at yahoo.com>
> To: <Leonejay at aol.com>; "detomaso forum" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 6:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Subject: Dynamat
>
>
> > Hi Peeps,
> >
> > Further to the waffling I did earlier in the week on sound deadening -
> this is the sort of stuff I use for low frequencies:
> >
> > http://www.casupply.co.uk/acatalog/bitumen_flashing.html
> >
> > It's pretty obvious that you guys in the states don't call it
> "flashing" - but you get the idea.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Phil
> >
> >
> > Bigger,louder, faster, better.
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:55:22 -0700 (PDT)
> From: C Eus <markushgroup at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Corvette suspension parts in Pantera?
> To: detomaso at list.realbig.com
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> Dumb question but I'll ask anyway. I did see someone in PCNC with a nicely
> built Pantera (and a 545 stroker Ford BB motor) with such a car. According
> to him, it used C5 suspension parts. He also used CV joints and shaft system
> between the hub carriers and the ZF. There was also a brace bar connecting
> the two rear suspensions togther.
>
> Can anyone elaborate? Thanks. Cal #2428 and#6559 (to be reconstructed).
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 08:59:44 -0600
> From: adin at frontier.net
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Sucking it dry.
> To: panteras <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> Assuming:
> 20 gallon tank, Nascar motor, a venue (ORR?) where one could run flat
> out for one hundred miles . . .
>
> My sources say the Nascar race motor will get 3.5 to 4/5 miles per gallon.
>
> Somewhere about the 80 mile mark the tank would go dry.
>
> Whoever sent the one guess I rec'd will win the new 350z car - please
> send your address.
>
> David in Durango
>
> PS: Larry in Cleveland ->yes, the litte red headed waitress would be more
> fun.
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:04:53 -0500
> From: Paul - Home <thedrol at pobox.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] aircar
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
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> I saw a short blurb about Cavitation-Ignition Bubble Combustion (CIBC),
> though I didn't see how it can be applied to motor vehicles.
>
> Paul
> #9270
>
> Matt wrote:
> > Neither is the electric motor or internal combustion motor. Necessity
> truly is the motivator for refinement and commercial gain.
> > But let's be real, this ones got a ways to go! Thanks for sharing.
> > Matt
> > 3584
> >
> > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:10:42 -0500
> > From: Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Check this out
> > To: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
> > Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Message-ID: <C15C8BC2-D921-4D73-A75B-EAA48F47FF09 at gmail.com>
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> >
> >
> > A guy at work looked at it, smiled and pulled out a mechanical
> > engineer's book from 1941.
> >
> > There on the page in one of the chapters was the same setup.
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Nothing new.
> >
> >
> > On 11 Jul 2007, at 4:45 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson wrote:
> >
> >> This was written a lot about in Swedish technical magaazines a few
> >> years ago. At that time it was a compressed air drive only IIRC.
> >> Lots of stuff is clearly bull. I looked at the animation where a
> >> big fuss is made about spending 70 degrees out of 360 at TDC (which
> >> is also a weird thing, TDC is pretty instantaneous, right?). What
> >> good is that if the connecting rod geometry gives almost zero
> >> torque during that time? There's no free ride...
> >>
> >> Tomas
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Kirby Schrader" <kirby.schrader at gmail.com>
> >> To: <unlisted-recipients:>; <no To-header on input>
> >> Sent: den 10 juli 2007 13:54
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Check this out
> >>
> >>
> >>> And have a look at that torque curve!!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> http://www.theaircar.com/
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 08:17:07 -0700
> From: "www.ProvaMo.com" <pantera007 at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Corvette suspension parts in Pantera?
> To: "C Eus" <markushgroup at yahoo.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <ILENLNGGPDHKPGLHFMCPOEADEFAA.pantera007 at sbcglobal.net>
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> Do you need photos or to hear from the owner, Darryl (sp ?) ?
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On
> Behalf Of C Eus
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 7:55 AM
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Corvette suspension parts in Pantera?
>
>
> Dumb question but I'll ask anyway. I did see someone in PCNC with a nicely
> built Pantera (and a 545 stroker Ford BB motor) with such a car. According
> to him, it used C5 suspension parts. He also used CV joints and shaft
> system
> between the hub carriers and the ZF. There was also a brace bar connecting
> the two rear suspensions togther.
>
> Can anyone elaborate? Thanks. Cal #2428 and#6559 (to be reconstructed).
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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> knows.
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 11:24:31 -0400
> From: "Chris Lewis" <clewis at dancemusic.net>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] TORQUE SPECS REQUESTED
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <6da21a96e05cd84e070028da8eef4c6f at dancemusic.net>
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> What should the torque specs be for the bolt on connectors that attach the
> lower rear A-Arms to the frame? You know the ones that go throught the
> frame and then attach the lower part of the rear a-arm to the car.
>
> I have heard about people who went for an alignment and had the frame
> rails crushed by over zealous techs over-torquing in this area.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 08:31:59 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] TORQUE SPECS REQUESTED
> To: Chris Lewis <clewis at dancemusic.net>, detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <484667.30077.qm at web30809.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> I recall some discussion on this. I think someone said the Ford era
> cars has reinforcing in the frame rails, but the 75 on cars did not, and are
> more subject to damage.
>
> Ken
>
> Chris Lewis <clewis at dancemusic.net> wrote:
> What should the torque specs be for the bolt on connectors that attach the
> lower rear A-Arms to the frame? You know the ones that go throught the frame
> and then attach the lower part of the rear a-arm to the car.
>
> I have heard about people who went for an alignment and had the frame
> rails crushed by over zealous techs over-torquing in this area.
>
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:38:50 -0500
> From: "Ian H" <ihannington286720mi at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Subject: Dynamat
> To: "Phil Lockett" <montecarlo296 at yahoo.com>, <Leonejay at aol.com>,
> "detomaso forum" <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> They also make 3'x50' rolls of this same stuff for flat roofs. It's called
> Peel and Seal. It's VERY sticky and has a foil face. I have a full roll
> left over from a job that's been sitting around waiting for me to get a
> chance to put it on the Pantera. Probably enough to do 5 or 6 Pantera
> full
> interiors.
>
> Ian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Lockett" <montecarlo296 at yahoo.com>
> To: <Leonejay at aol.com>; "detomaso forum" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 8:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Subject: Dynamat
>
>
> > Hi Peeps,
> >
> > Further to the waffling I did earlier in the week on sound deadening -
> > this is the sort of stuff I use for low frequencies:
> >
> > http://www.casupply.co.uk/acatalog/bitumen_flashing.html
> >
> > It's pretty obvious that you guys in the states don't call it
> > "flashing" - but you get the idea.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Phil
> >
> >
> > Bigger,louder, faster, better.
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
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> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:38:36 -0500
> From: "David & Marilyn Bell" <davidabell at worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] TORQUE SPECS REQUESTED
> To: "Chris Lewis" <clewis at dancemusic.net>, "Detomaso at Realbig. Com"
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <GCEHLABMPJDEDDEFCONNGEKLEGAA.davidabell at worldnet.att.net>
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> This should only be an issue for later non-US built Panteras. I've
> literally tightened the bee-geebers out of my a-arm to frame rail bolts
> with
> a 1/2" drive breaker bar(RFT) with zero problem.
>
> Some (all?) of the later non-US cars apparently did not have the same
> internal supports in the frame rails that the US cars had. These cars are
> candidates for the frame rails to crush (as Charlie McCall discovered with
> his GT5-S).
>
> Dave Bell
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of Chris Lewis
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:25 AM
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] TORQUE SPECS REQUESTED
> Importance: High
>
>
> What should the torque specs be for the bolt on connectors that attach the
> lower rear A-Arms to the frame? You know the ones that go throught the
> frame and then attach the lower part of the rear a-arm to the car.
>
> I have heard about people who went for an alignment and had the frame
> rails
> crushed by over zealous techs over-torquing in this area.
>
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:08:25 +0200
> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] TORQUE SPECS REQUESTED
> To: "David & Marilyn Bell" <davidabell at worldnet.att.net>, "Chris
> Lewis" <clewis at dancemusic.net>, "Detomaso at Realbig. Com"
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> The later cars are not void of internal support while it may not be as
> sturdy as the earlier cars. In Charlies case the problem was not
> overtightening the bolt but rather ripping both rail sides, the bolt and
> whatever reinforcement there was sideways through the rail by mis-using the
> tow car tie down straps on the A-arm IIRC.
>
> Oh, and to my knowledge no Panteras were actually US built... :-D
>
> Tomas
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: "Chris Lewis" <clewis at dancemusic.net>; "Detomaso at Realbig. Com" <
> detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: den 13 juli 2007 17:38
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] TORQUE SPECS REQUESTED
>
>
> > This should only be an issue for later non-US built Panteras. I've
> > literally tightened the bee-geebers out of my a-arm to frame rail bolts
> with
> > a 1/2" drive breaker bar(RFT) with zero problem.
> >
> > Some (all?) of the later non-US cars apparently did not have the same
> > internal supports in the frame rails that the US cars had. These cars
> are
> > candidates for the frame rails to crush (as Charlie McCall discovered
> with
> > his GT5-S).
> >
> > Dave Bell
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> > [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of Chris Lewis
> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:25 AM
> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] TORQUE SPECS REQUESTED
> > Importance: High
> >
> >
> > What should the torque specs be for the bolt on connectors that attach
> the
> > lower rear A-Arms to the frame? You know the ones that go throught the
> > frame and then attach the lower part of the rear a-arm to the car.
> >
> > I have heard about people who went for an alignment and had the frame
> rails
> > crushed by over zealous techs over-torquing in this area.
> >
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> Message: 15
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 11:15:17 -0500
> From: "David & Marilyn Bell" <davidabell at worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] TORQUE SPECS REQUESTED
> To: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>, "Detomaso at Realbig. Com"
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <GCEHLABMPJDEDDEFCONNKEKMEGAA.davidabell at worldnet.att.net>
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> I stand corrected. I should have said Panteras built for US sale, not
> US-built.
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of Tomas Gunnarsson
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 11:08 AM
> To: David & Marilyn Bell; Chris Lewis; Detomaso at Realbig. Com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] TORQUE SPECS REQUESTED
>
>
> The later cars are not void of internal support while it may not be as
> sturdy as the earlier cars. In Charlies case the problem was not
> overtightening the bolt but rather ripping both rail sides, the bolt and
> whatever reinforcement there was sideways through the rail by mis-using
> the
> tow car tie down straps on the A-arm IIRC.
>
> Oh, and to my knowledge no Panteras were actually US built... :-D
>
> Tomas
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David & Marilyn Bell" <davidabell at worldnet.att.net>
> To: "Chris Lewis" <clewis at dancemusic.net>; "Detomaso at Realbig. Com"
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: den 13 juli 2007 17:38
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] TORQUE SPECS REQUESTED
>
>
> > This should only be an issue for later non-US built Panteras. I've
> > literally tightened the bee-geebers out of my a-arm to frame rail bolts
> with
> > a 1/2" drive breaker bar(RFT) with zero problem.
> >
> > Some (all?) of the later non-US cars apparently did not have the same
> > internal supports in the frame rails that the US cars had. These cars
> are
> > candidates for the frame rails to crush (as Charlie McCall discovered
> with
> > his GT5-S).
> >
> > Dave Bell
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> > [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of Chris Lewis
> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:25 AM
> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] TORQUE SPECS REQUESTED
> > Importance: High
> >
> >
> > What should the torque specs be for the bolt on connectors that attach
> the
> > lower rear A-Arms to the frame? You know the ones that go throught the
> > frame and then attach the lower part of the rear a-arm to the car.
> >
> > I have heard about people who went for an alignment and had the frame
> rails
> > crushed by over zealous techs over-torquing in this area.
> >
> >
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> Message: 16
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:45:34 -0700 (PDT)
> From: charles buthala <charlesbuthala at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] A3 heads and those stinking plugs
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <474751.67264.qm at web36601.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> First, Do not wash your heads. I had them washed and machined for the
> valves and when put in service they were leaking out of every plug, 5 per
> head. I was thinking of having them impregnated. There is a company here
> in Detroit that does this for OEM aluminum heads for production. Has anyone
> out there had this done to their A3's?
>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:17:49 +0000
> From: forestg at att.net
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A3 heads and those stinking plugs
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID:
> <
> 071320071717.22618.4697B3BC000CC82D0000585A2161243646099B9C0A9D0100 at att.net
> >
>
>
> Oh my God, I can't wait for the responses to this one.
> FWG
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: charles buthala <charlesbuthala at yahoo.com>
> >
> > First, Do not wash your heads. I had them washed and machined for the
> valves
> > and when put in service they were leaking out of every plug, 5 per
> head. I was
> > thinking of having them impregnated. There is a company here in Detroit
> that
> > does this for OEM aluminum heads for production. Has anyone out there
> had this
> > done to their A3's?
> >
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> Message: 18
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:01:10 -0600
> From: adin at frontier.net
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A3 heads and those stinking plugs
> To: forestg at att.net
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID:
> <20070713120110.petneyo9kgsws0kg at webmail.brainstorminternet.net>
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>
> Paging Cleveland Larry . . . .
>
> David,whose t-shirt reads "Blue Thunder, the best head you can get!"
>
>
>
> Quoting forestg at att.net:
>
> > Oh my God, I can't wait for the responses to this one.
> > FWG
> >
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: charles buthala <charlesbuthala at yahoo.com>
> >>
> >> First, Do not wash your heads. I had them washed and machined for
> >> the valves
> >> and when put in service they were leaking out of every plug, 5 per
> >> head. I was
> >> thinking of having them impregnated. There is a company here in
> >> Detroit that
> >> does this for OEM aluminum heads for production. Has anyone out
> >> there had this
> >> done to their A3's?
> >>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:02:31 -0400
> From: "Larry - Ohio Time Corp" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A3 heads and those stinking plugs
> To: <adin at frontier.net>, <forestg at att.net>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <S566482AbXGMSGb/20070713180640Z+1743 at realbig.com>
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>
> Boys Boys Boys
>
> Yous should I do not swing at the EZ ones. Everyone is looking for it.
> What
> fun would that be? Give me something low and out side, then I will be all
> over it!
>
>
> Larry (basa-ball very good to me) - Cleveland
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> On
> Behalf Of adin at frontier.net
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 2:01 PM
> To: forestg at att.net
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A3 heads and those stinking plugs
>
> Paging Cleveland Larry . . . .
>
> David,whose t-shirt reads "Blue Thunder, the best head you can get!"
>
>
>
> Quoting forestg at att.net:
>
> > Oh my God, I can't wait for the responses to this one.
> > FWG
> >
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: charles buthala <charlesbuthala at yahoo.com>
> >>
> >> First, Do not wash your heads. I had them washed and machined for
> >> the valves
> >> and when put in service they were leaking out of every plug, 5 per
> >> head. I was
> >> thinking of having them impregnated. There is a company here in
> >> Detroit that
> >> does this for OEM aluminum heads for production. Has anyone out
> >> there had this
> >> done to their A3's?
> >>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 20:48:27 +0200
> From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] TORQUE SPECS REQUESTED
> To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <guson at home.se>, "'David & Marilyn Bell'"
> <davidabell at worldnet.att.net>, "'Chris Lewis'"
> <clewis at dancemusic.net>, "'Detomaso at Realbig. Com'"
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <000c01c7c57e$6852b370$0100a8c0 at Sisteplant.com>
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>
> Photos of the tragedy may be seen at
> http://members.aol.com/panteragt5s1985/Pix/PanteraStuff/Chassisproblem/
>
> I've been trying to block that era of my Pantera ownership out of my mind,
> because it wasn't a particularly happy time but I think I remember the
> following.
>
> The failure did occur on a flatbed, but I'm not sure that the flatbed was
> the cause - it may have been the straw that broke the camel's back.
>
> The later cars have a different structure, and I think that Kirk Evans cut
> apart an early car and a late car to show the difference. The late
> structure
> can be easily reinforced, as mine is now. But late-car owners would do
> well
> to check their bolts occasionally to see if there are signs of cracking.
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] En
> nombre de Tomas Gunnarsson
> Enviado el: Friday, 13 July, 2007 6:08 PM
> Para: David & Marilyn Bell; Chris Lewis; Detomaso at Realbig. Com
> Asunto: Re: [DeTomaso] TORQUE SPECS REQUESTED
>
> The later cars are not void of internal support while it may not be as
> sturdy as the earlier cars. In Charlies case the problem was not
> overtightening the bolt but rather ripping both rail sides, the bolt and
> whatever reinforcement there was sideways through the rail by mis-using
> the
> tow car tie down straps on the A-arm IIRC.
>
> Oh, and to my knowledge no Panteras were actually US built... :-D
>
> Tomas
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David & Marilyn Bell" <davidabell at worldnet.att.net>
> To: "Chris Lewis" <clewis at dancemusic.net>; "Detomaso at Realbig. Com"
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: den 13 juli 2007 17:38
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] TORQUE SPECS REQUESTED
>
>
> > This should only be an issue for later non-US built Panteras. I've
> > literally tightened the bee-geebers out of my a-arm to frame rail bolts
> with
> > a 1/2" drive breaker bar(RFT) with zero problem.
> >
> > Some (all?) of the later non-US cars apparently did not have the same
> > internal supports in the frame rails that the US cars had. These cars
> are
> > candidates for the frame rails to crush (as Charlie McCall discovered
> with
> > his GT5-S).
> >
> > Dave Bell
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> > [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of Chris Lewis
> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:25 AM
> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] TORQUE SPECS REQUESTED
> > Importance: High
> >
> >
> > What should the torque specs be for the bolt on connectors that attach
> the
> > lower rear A-Arms to the frame? You know the ones that go throught the
> > frame and then attach the lower part of the rear a-arm to the car.
> >
> > I have heard about people who went for an alignment and had the frame
> rails
> > crushed by over zealous techs over-torquing in this area.
> >
> >
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> Message: 21
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:48:01 -0400
> From: "Michael Shortt" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] pantera bought
> To: "List DeTomaso" <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> the guy that I was helping bought a push button #1355, more info when it
> gets delivered.
>
>
> --
> Michael L. Shortt
> Savannah, Georgia
> www.michaelshortt.com
> michael at michaelshortt.com
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> Message: 22
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:55:06 -0700
> From: MyCars <MyCars at Comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Subject: Dynamat
> To: larry at ohiotimecorp.com
> Cc: 'Phil Lockett' <montecarlo296 at yahoo.com>, Leonejay at aol.com,
> 'detomaso forum' <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <1184370906.6687.0.camel at localhost>
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> Don't you mean:
>
> Larry (I only wear my trench coat on a roof) - Cleveland??
>
>
> On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 09:42 -0400, Larry - Ohio Time Corp wrote:
> > Hi Phil,
> >
> > We only call it "flashing" when it is done on the roof. Any other place
> we
> > call it 30 days in the slammer.
> >
> > Larry (trench coat) - Cleveland
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> On
> > Behalf Of Phil Lockett
> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 9:28 AM
> > To: Leonejay at aol.com; detomaso forum
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Subject: Dynamat
> >
> > Hi Peeps,
> >
> > Further to the waffling I did earlier in the week on sound deadening -
> > this is the sort of stuff I use for low frequencies:
> >
> > http://www.casupply.co.uk/acatalog/bitumen_flashing.html
> >
> > It's pretty obvious that you guys in the states don't call it
> "flashing" -
> > but you get the idea.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Phil
> >
> >
> > Bigger,louder, faster, better.
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
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> Message: 23
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:25:20 -0700
> From: "Art Stephens" <artstephens at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FUEL PUMPS
> To: <dferrato at aol.com>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
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> Looks pretty cool Dave,
>
> Thanks,
> Art
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <dferrato at aol.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 4:31 AM
> Subject: [DeTomaso] FUEL PUMPS
>
>
> > Howard Stewart has a line of mechanical piston pumps which are pretty
> > cool. Not cheap however. He has just added Ford applications. Howard
> > is a great guy to talk to and has come up with many innovations and
> > products used in performance engines and in racing. His site is at:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.racepumps.com/company.html
> >
> >
> > Dave Ferrato #5972
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> Message: 24
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:38:46 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] ARNOLD NEBRASKA ORR AUGUST 10-11
> To: Detomaso at realbig.com
> Cc: kelseyl at metro.net
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> A couple of you from Midwest asked about next months open road race in
> Nebraska so here's an update.
>
> Next month Durango Dizzy Gear Dave, Tommy-Gun and I and the 'Falcon'
> (Larry Kelsey) are all still planning to run our Pantera's at the Sandhills
> ORR out of Arnold Nebraska. Its a serious 1500 mile road trip from SoCal. I
> definately am looking forward to going to what all the ORR veternas say is
> the most challenging ORR course outside Mexico.
>
> If you are still thinking about going remember race and 1-mile shoot-out
> registration is full and you'll have to check motel vacancies in or around
> Arnold otherwise bring a sleeping bag, camper or or RV. Lots going on
> Friday and Saturday....ORR is Saturday but the 1-Mile shoot-out is Friday as
> is the Burn-out Contest and car show.
>
> Dave and I are meeting Tom at his place outside Denver on Wednesday and
> then caravaning into Nebraska together from there.
>
> You can check out the Sandhills ORR website at <wwwsorcrace.com> for
> specific agenda.
> Btw, there's still plenty of slots open for Silver State in Ely
> Nevada....Right now here's the Silver State guys and Panteras planning to
> run;
>
> John 'JB' Bentley
> Eliot 'Marine' Kushner
> Joe 'Doc' Abe
> Jason 'The Kid' Eaton
> Bob "Big Bob" Benson
> Larry "Rockhouse" Stock (coming out of grampa retirement)
> Mad Dawg
>
> So come out from under the covers slacker and get your claimed 250 to
> 1,000 HP 200 MPH Pantera out of the garage to Ely and stop talking about it.
>
> P.S. Oh yea, we're still waiting for one Mangusta owner with some gahones
> to finish an ORR. ;-]>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mad Dawg Antenucci
> Team Pantera Racing
> The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing
> www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:52:26 -0700
> From: "Art Stephens" <artstephens at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel Pump Question
> To: <doug at silicondesigns.com>
> Cc: DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <004d01c7c5b9$a1322c30$4913d642 at D3Z8N081>
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>
> Thank you Doug and Jack for the explanation. I think I got the going
> lean part. Hypothetical situation, I have my car on a chassis dyno
> running
> wide open for a few seconds. Fuel pressure does not drop. That would not
> necessarily mean that I'm not at risk of going lean, would it? If I am
> using fuel faster than the system is providing it, could my gauge still
> be
> showing full pressure until the bowl actually empties? I'm a little
> concerned about getting a false sense of security by watching the gauge
> for
> the brief time the car is wide open on the dyno.
>
> Art
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Braun" <doug at silicondesigns.com>
> To: "Art Stephens" <artstephens at charter.net>
> Cc: "DeTomaso Forum" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel Pump Question
>
>
> > Art,
> >
> > The richness of a carb's mixture is dependent upon the level of the fuel
> > in
> > the float bowl. Any reduction in the bowl level leans out the mixture
> > because the venturi effect has a harder time sucking fuel out of the
> bowl
> > through the jets. If the fuel pump can't quite keep up with the demand,
> > the
> > fuel level in bowl will fall and the engine will run lean. You're
> correct
> > that if the bowl level falls far enough the engine will die but the
> danger
> > is that the fuel level falls but not far enough to kill the engine. You
> > can
> > check for this by reading your spark plugs right after a hard run, by
> > using
> > a fuel pressure gauge that you can read under wide open throttle or a
> > wideband O2 sensor. I chose to mount a lighted Autometer fuel pressure
> > gauge on the passenger side engine cover that I can read in my rear view
> > mirror. This also tells me when my fuel filter is getting too dirty.
> >
> > Doug Braun
> > blue 73L #5505
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> > [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of Art Stephens
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 5:34 PM
> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Fuel Pump Question
> >
> > While running at wide open throttle and emptying the fuel bowls,
> > wouldn't the engine just die instead of going lean? It seems that it
> > would
> > die and then briefly start up as the bowl started to fill and then die
> > again
> > repeating the cycle as long as your foot was still in it? Maybe you
> would
> > be lean for an instant, but then it dies? If it was running that bad,
> > you
> > would likely do something different and not continue to run it like
> that.
> > I
> > guess if the pump was just a hair short of supplying enough fuel, it
> > could
> > theoretically give you a lean mixture that would make it go like hell
> > without going so lean that it stumbles?
> >
> >
> >
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 26
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:53:40 EDT
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] TORQUE SPECS REQUESTED
> To: davidabell at worldnet.att.net, clewis at dancemusic.net,
> detomaso at realbig.com
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>
> In a message dated 7/13/07 8:39:16 AM, davidabell at worldnet.att.net writes:
>
>
> > This should only be an issue for later non-US built Panteras.? I've
> > literally tightened the bee-geebers out of my a-arm to frame rail bolts
> with
> > a 1/2" drive breaker bar(RFT) with zero problem.
> >
>
> The early Euro cars were also dubious in the chassis department, and the
> early US cars were all recalled so reinforcement plates could be welded in
> place.
> Stephane Bergeron's pushbutton #1256 didn't get that treatment of course,
> but he got a Hall chassis reinforcement kit, which gives you a terrific
> surface
> to torque against.
>
> Mike
>
>
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> Message: 27
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:59:49 EDT
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] TORQUE SPECS REQUESTED
> To: charlesmccall at gmail.com, guson at home.se,
> davidabell at worldnet.att.net, clewis at dancemusic.net,
> detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <cc8.14b8f3b1.33c9a435 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>
> In a message dated 7/13/07 11:49:19 AM, charlesmccall at gmail.com writes:
>
>
> > I've been trying to block that era of my Pantera ownership out of my
> mind,
> > because it wasn't a particularly happy time but I think I remember the
> > following.
> >
> > The failure did occur on a flatbed, but I'm not sure that the flatbed
> was
> > the cause - it may have been the straw that broke the camel's back.
> >
>
> I was with you, and I remember it well. Your car was visibly collapsing
> while we were driving it around together (or more accuractly, the
> alignment was
> becoming visibly worse on one side and we couldn't figure out why,
> although we
> really didn't investigate it very thoroughly), and you were in
> head-scratching
> mode. After you dropped me at the airport in Italy, you headed for home
> and
> didn't make it, when it finally fell apart altogether and you couldn't
> ignore
> it any more. :<(
>
> The failure was gradual, and resulted in the car being loaded on a truck,
> not
> the other way around.
>
> Mike
>
> Mike
>
>
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> Message: 28
> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 00:13:43 EDT
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel Pump Question
> To: artstephens at charter.net, doug at silicondesigns.com
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <c8c.119cdbba.33c9a777 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
>
> In a message dated 7/13/07 6:53:03 PM, artstephens at charter.net writes:
>
>
> > If I am
> > using fuel faster than the system is providing it,? could my gauge still
> be
> > showing full pressure until the bowl actually empties??
> >
>
> Absolutely. Pressure and volume normally have an inverse relationship.
> A
> pump pushing against a restrictive pipe will generate a higher pressure,
> but a
> lower volume, than the same pump trying to move fluid through a
> larger-diameter pipe, which would have less resistance, and thus lower
> pressure, but higher
> volume. You could put a cork in your fuel line, and have high pressure
> and
> zero volume.
>
> And your carburetor runs out of volume, not pressure.
>
> The ambition is to have a pump that is capable of generating adequate
> pressure while delivering the appropriate volume. Excessively high
> pressure
> overpowers the internals in the carburetor, which is why the goal is
> normally 6 psi
> or so for Holley-type carbs, and lower (3-4 psi? I think?) for Webers.
>
> Mike
>
>
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>
> Message: 29
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:45:13 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel Pump Question
> To: Art Stephens <artstephens at charter.net>, doug at silicondesigns.com
> Cc: DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <962813.6621.qm at web30805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Art,
>
> I think mechanical pumps have some kind of spring on the diaghram to
> limit the pressure out of the pump. Normally, I think that pressure is what
> you see with the fuel pressure gauge. As long as the pump has excess
> capacity, the float bowls should be full, and the pressure should not
> drop. If the pump falls behind, then it's pumping as much as it can, the
> internal pressure control does nothing, and I think the pressure will drop
> below the pump's design pressure.
>
> I'm sure someone else can explain this a lot better than I can, but
> I think this is the basic operation.
>
> Ken
>
> Art Stephens <artstephens at charter.net> wrote:
> Thank you Doug and Jack for the explanation. I think I got the going
> lean part. Hypothetical situation, I have my car on a chassis dyno running
> wide open for a few seconds. Fuel pressure does not drop. That would not
> necessarily mean that I'm not at risk of going lean, would it? If I am
> using fuel faster than the system is providing it, could my gauge still be
> showing full pressure until the bowl actually empties? I'm a little
> concerned about getting a false sense of security by watching the gauge
> for
> the brief time the car is wide open on the dyno.
>
> Art
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Braun"
> To: "Art Stephens"
> Cc: "DeTomaso Forum"
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel Pump Question
>
>
> > Art,
> >
> > The richness of a carb's mixture is dependent upon the level of the fuel
> > in
> > the float bowl. Any reduction in the bowl level leans out the mixture
> > because the venturi effect has a harder time sucking fuel out of the
> bowl
> > through the jets. If the fuel pump can't quite keep up with the demand,
> > the
> > fuel level in bowl will fall and the engine will run lean. You're
> correct
> > that if the bowl level falls far enough the engine will die but the
> danger
> > is that the fuel level falls but not far enough to kill the engine. You
> > can
> > check for this by reading your spark plugs right after a hard run, by
> > using
> > a fuel pressure gauge that you can read under wide open throttle or a
> > wideband O2 sensor. I chose to mount a lighted Autometer fuel pressure
> > gauge on the passenger side engine cover that I can read in my rear view
> > mirror. This also tells me when my fuel filter is getting too dirty.
> >
> > Doug Braun
> > blue 73L #5505
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> > [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of Art Stephens
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 5:34 PM
> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Fuel Pump Question
> >
> > While running at wide open throttle and emptying the fuel bowls,
> > wouldn't the engine just die instead of going lean? It seems that it
> > would
> > die and then briefly start up as the bowl started to fill and then die
> > again
> > repeating the cycle as long as your foot was still in it? Maybe you
> would
> > be lean for an instant, but then it dies? If it was running that bad,
> > you
> > would likely do something different and not continue to run it like
> that.
> > I
> > guess if the pump was just a hair short of supplying enough fuel, it
> > could
> > theoretically give you a lean mixture that would make it go like hell
> > without going so lean that it stumbles?
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 30
> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:50:00 +0200
> From: Thomas Tornblom <Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel Pump Question
> To: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Cc: artstephens at charter.net, detomaso at realbig.com,
> doug at silicondesigns.com
> Message-ID: <46988E38.9000402 at hax.se>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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> MikeLDrew at aol.com skrev:
> > In a message dated 7/13/07 6:53:03 PM, artstephens at charter.net writes:
> >
> >
> >> If I am
> >> using fuel faster than the system is providing it, could my gauge
> still be
> >> showing full pressure until the bowl actually empties?
> >>
> >
> > Absolutely. Pressure and volume normally have an inverse
> relationship. A
> > pump pushing against a restrictive pipe will generate a higher pressure,
> but a
> > lower volume, than the same pump trying to move fluid through a
> > larger-diameter pipe, which would have less resistance, and thus lower
> pressure, but higher
> > volume. You could put a cork in your fuel line, and have high pressure
> and
> > zero volume.
>
> If the gauge is tee'd in at the carb, then as long as your gauge is
> showing adequate pressure, the pump is keeping up with demand.
>
> It can only show full pressure and not providing adequate flow if there
> is a restriction downstream of the gauge connection.
>
> Thomas
>
>
> >
> > And your carburetor runs out of volume, not pressure.
> >
> > The ambition is to have a pump that is capable of generating adequate
> > pressure while delivering the appropriate volume. Excessively high
> pressure
> > overpowers the internals in the carburetor, which is why the goal is
> normally 6 psi
> > or so for Holley-type carbs, and lower (3-4 psi? I think?) for Webers.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > **************************************
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>
> Message: 31
> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 12:01:56 +0200
> From: <pantera at kommevalla.se>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Catch can
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
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>
>
> I have vacation and it has been raining so I played with the milling
> machine!
> http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/8700073005
>
> Fredrik Gustavsson
>
>
>
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