[DeTomaso] 86 Pantera GT5s for sale on Craigslist

Mon Jul 2 13:42:21 EDT 2007

I'd guess that Kirk more or less systematically installed a wing. Now I'm
curious, because the delta wing, a-la Countach, was a factory item while the
Amerisport wing mounted with twin pedestals in the middle of the rear
decklid, like yours. 

So I'm guessing that Kirk ordered them wing-less and then drilled the holes
and installed them himself? 

As far as how many GT5-S cars were produced, it's a subject that has been
debated numerous times off-list, and the only answer that I believe is
"nobody has the foggiest idea". 

The number has to be less than 189, since that is the difference in serial
number between the first and last. However, a handful of GT5 and GTS cars
were built simultaneously, but nobody knows exactly how many. Peter Havlik
has probably the most complete registry of late-model Panteras, and he has
less than half. We'll only know when we have documented 100% of the cars
from 1985 to 1990. 

As an aside, I asked the question of Claudia Lodi at the factory  about 5
years ago. She went through the build files, car by car, and announced that
there were 89 GT5-S cars built. When pressed, she said that she hadn't
counted the Amerisport cars because there were no build files, but even
adding those cars we still have a number that is too low to be believed. 

So if the FACTORY doesn't know how many cars it built, I am skeptical of
anyone who claims to have an authoritative answer. I think the only way to
find out is to count them one at a time, like Peter is doing. 

Simple WAG? Around 125-150.  

-----Mensaje original-----
De: F&D Terry [mailto:gt5s at bcpl.net] 
Enviado el: Monday, 02 July, 2007 7:18 PM
Para: Charles McCall
CC: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com; garth_rodericks at yahoo.com
Asunto: Re: [DeTomaso] 86 Pantera GT5s for sale on Craigslist

Thanks Charlie,

Here in the US wingless cars are quite rare considering most of them are
Amerisports. From your observations, they are more common overseas. I guess
it must be that wings were the thing to have in the US in the 80s. 
Probably some kind of perception that winged cars have to be faster. Do you
have any idea how many GT5-S cars were produced?

Fred T.

Charles McCall wrote:

>Fred -
>I've seen several wingless original GT5-Ss... If I were to take a stab 
>in the dark, I'd say that 1/3 have no wing and 2/3 have wings, based on 
>what I've seen at the International deTomaso meetings.
>
>I'd say that the majority of them have wings, but "rare" seems a little 
>strong for the wingless flavor.
>
>However, as you say, Amerisport cars may be another thing. Or 
>grey-market US cars.
>
>-----Mensaje original-----
>De: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
>En nombre de F&D Terry Enviado el: Monday, 02 July, 2007 1:42 PM
>Para: MikeLDrew at aol.com
>CC: detomaso at realbig.com; garth_rodericks at yahoo.com
>Asunto: Re: [DeTomaso] 86 Pantera GT5s for sale on Craigslist
>
>Mike,
>
>I thought an asking price of $75k was mentioned in an earlier post. 
>Maybe I misread something.
>
>Other than Stephane's car and the one currently for sale, do you know 
>of any other wingless GT5-S cars? At one time I knew the whereabouts of 
>just under 20 GT5-S cars in the US and all of them had wings. Kirk's 
>Amerisport cars make up the bulk of the GT5-S cars in the US and all of 
>his had wings. Since Amerisport was the manufacturer, I would say these 
>cars were stock from the Amerisport factory with wings. Perhaps it 
>would be more accurate to say any wingless US cars are rare.
>
>Fred T.
>
>MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote:
>
>  
>
>>In a message dated 7/1/07 4:44:02 AM, gt5s at bcpl.net writes:
>>
>>Fred wrote:
>>
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>>>When inspecting the car, keep in mind that at one time it represented 
>>>a rare variation of a factory car. It was one of a few sold without a 
>>>rear spoiler.
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>I happened to be in the Place de la Concorde in Paris with my 
>>>>>girlfriend
>>>>>       
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>on Thursday night, just between the Louvre and the Arc de Triomphe, at 
>>about 1:00 a.m. when I heard a familiar rumbling sound, and Stephane 
>>Poux, the French De Tomaso distributor, drove right past in his silver
>>    
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>GT5-S, also without
>  
>
>>wing.   I didn't realize that wingless GT5-S Panteras were so unusual?
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>>>Please let us know your findings. Unless someone has been very busy, 
>>>I feel the car is outrageously priced considering the one that 
>>>recently sold in Delaware for $60k was about the best example of a 
>>>GT5-S short of Dennis Branca's car. It sold for somewhere around $80k 
>>>a number of years ago.
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>I'm not aware of the asking price of this car--enlighten me?
>>>>>       
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Mike
>>
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