[DeTomaso] Clutch Master Cylinder

[SEL]

what do folks use as a clutch fluid in a stock setup? - thx! stephen (still haven't gotten the MC off...but optimistic i will at some point...have a new oem type waiting for install)

p.s. what is the procedre for taking the line off the bottom - just the one nut? - size? - left to loosen? - thx!


----- Original Message ----
From: Larry - Ohio Time Corp <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
To: SEL <edlebby at yahoo.com>; JDeRyke at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com; SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:14:52 AM
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Clutch Master Cylinder

Forget the clips, I just broke them off to get the pin out. I made a new pin
on the lathe. (you can use an grade 8 bolt for the pin) Then put a hole in
it for a cotter pin. 

I would rather spend my time at the work bench then stuffed under the dash
playing with them BS clips.

Larry (Chuck,its raining ice)- Cleveland


-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
Behalf Of SEL
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:02 AM
To: JDeRyke at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com; SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Clutch Master Cylinder

"Uh-uh, Peter. Once you get that far (assuming your 9000-series Pantera is
similar to earlier ones under the dash), you'll find the accelerator pedal
stop interferes with accessing the bolt-heads (or nuts- can't quite remember
which). Taking the bolts out for the sheet metal pedal stop off allows you
to access the MS retainer heads. But you may still be in deep woods as far
as removing the MS: its actuating rod is held into the MS with a snap-ring
and to the pedal with a 1/4" dia pin held by two of the tiniest c-clips you
ever saw. Expect to drop a clip on the rug during removal. Be sure you find
it- they are not easily replaceable."

Oh boy Jack - truer words never spoken (by you and everyone else) - WHAT A
PITA!! - have spent 2 different 1 hr sessions trying to put a vice grip on
those bolt heads with absolutely no success - i guess i will now try your
suggestion of taking off the gas pedal stop - but i am fearful that the only
way to access those bolt heads is to tackle those mini c clips - oh
well...they don't call it a "hobby" for nothing! - thanks, stephen


----- Original Message ----
From: "JDeRyke at aol.com" <JDeRyke at aol.com>
To: edlebby at yahoo.com; detomaso at realbig.com; SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2007 4:26:43 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Clutch Master Cylinder

In a message dated 12/3/07 11:39:05 AM, edlebby at yahoo.com writes:


QUESTION: are these really fixed studs...or is there something on the
otherside of the firewall under the dash (like a bolt head) that one has to
hold down)?? - if not, it would be those 2 retaining nuts, unfasten the
hydraulic line and it is off...right? -


Uh-uh, Peter. Once you get that far (assuming your 9000-series Pantera is
similar to earlier ones under the dash), you'll find the accelerator pedal
stop interferes with accessing the bolt-heads (or nuts- can't quite remember
which). Taking the bolts out for the sheet metal pedal stop off allows you
to access the MS retainer heads. But you may still be in deep woods as far
as removing the MS: its actuating rod is held into the MS with a snap-ring
and to the pedal with a 1/4" dia pin held by two of the tiniest c-clips you
ever saw. Expect to drop a clip on the rug during removal. Be sure you find
it- they are not easily replaceable. Sometimes the c-clips are rusted so
they break in half but can be replaced by a drilled hole in the pin and a
wire snap-retainer or roll pin. 

Once the inboard c-clip is out, the pin can be (sometimes) pushed toward the
outside of the car enough to release the actuating rod & its clevis. Some
pins are worn or rusted enough so a simple push does nothing. I've had to
unbolt the whole pedal plate and pull it back enough so I could get a long
pin-punch in there to drive the MS pin sideways. This can be done without
disconnecting hydraulic lines. There is absolutely not enough room to hit
the pin from under a dash hard enough to move it, if its stuck. And if you
try moving it the other way, you'll find it won't move far enough toward the
inboard side of the car before running into the welded toe box structure.

Finally after overcoming all this, you may find the MS leaked a little over
the years and the fluid swelled and BONDED the rubber boot to both the stub
end of the MS AND to the aluminum pedal plate, requiring some real brutality
to break it free, so the MS can finally be pulled out The fit here is tight
even under the best of circumstances. Of all the fussy jobs on a Pantera,
this one is my least favorite! Good luck and be patient- the job CAN be
done, and not all cars have all these things go wrong at once. Our '72 did,
but..... Cheers-J DeRyke


**************************************
Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products.
(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)
_______________________________________________

Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA

Archive Search Engine Now Available at http://www.realbig.com/detomaso/

DeTomaso mailing list
DeTomaso at list.realbig.com
http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso