[DeTomaso] COOK ENT EFI INDIVIDUAL BILLET AIR FILTERS

Wed Dec 5 15:06:12 EST 2007

There are some wrong information in Mikes mail!!!!!
MD is not bling and pretty so the air intake mentioned would suit him!
Have seen pictures of the guy called MD with a nasty wig!
Maybe I`m only a stupid EUROPEAN who doesn`t understand the meaning of the 
mail!

Hehe!!

J.C
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mad Dog Antenucci" <teampantera at yahoo.com>
To: "Mike Trusty" <miketrusty at msn.com>; "'michael frazier'" 
<red3644 at hotmail.com>; "'Will Demelo'" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca>; 
<detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] COOK ENT EFI INDIVIDUAL BILLET AIR FILTERS

> Excellent post Mike.
>  Thanks
>
>  Dawg
>
> Mike Trusty <miketrusty at msn.com> wrote:
>  OK, since Dennis has injected me into this situation I'm going to make 
> some
> comments:
>
>
>
> 1. Everything to do with cars is a combination of compromises. You
> are always giving and taking to try and come up with an acceptable
> compromise.
>
> 2. There is only one air cleaner on the market today that in my
> opinion allows for the least compromises in performance. It is a plenum
> type and is totally lacking of any bling. And on top of that is would be a
> great rain catcher in a Pantera since the air filter is horizontal and 
> open
> on top. It could be capped with a plenum and used for cold air induction
> and that has been discussed with Dennis. Did I mention that it is ugly?
> The old adage about if it looks good it will go fast is not always true. 
> It
> would be very hard to remove the air cleaner for show purposes because the
> lower plate is located between the throttle body and the velocity stack.
>
> 3. When talking about stack heights like Dan has referenced you need
> to consider the total length of the intake runner from the valve to the
> velocity stack. Dan is correct in his description of the effects of length
> on engine performance. Dan is talking about total length, Dennis is 
> talking
> about length of the throttle body plus the length of the velocity stack 
> and
> nothing about the intake runner length. Dan wants top end performance in a
> system that will fit below the stock engine screen. Dennis wants something
> that runs well on the street, performs well at ORR events, and has
> tremendous bling. Two different compromising paths.
>
> 4. The stacks that Dennis is talking about are the velocity stacks
> not the throttle bodies. The velocity stacks that are on Dennis's system
> are 2" tall in an effort to keep the total length of the system as short 
> as
> possible and provide the requested "bling". Velocity stacks are available 
> in
> lengths up to 6" tall in increments of 1". There are both performance
> differences in these units as well as appearance differences. Pay your
> money and make your choice.
>
> 5. The most difficult part of building systems for me is finding an
> air filtration system that performs properly and looks good as well. The
> plenum unit mentioned above provides good performance but doesn't look 
> good.
> The units like Kelly has and the Cook units look great but have 
> performance
> problems. I'm stuck in the middle trying to come up with a compromise.
> Have I mentioned that I hate compromises? Anyway. Ken Green mentioned
> something that is very important and virtually always overlooked except in
> the plenum style unit. That is the air flow entering the velocity stacks.
> TWM, Hilborn, Kinsler, etc. have determined that a large radius of the top
> edge of the velocity stack is very important. Much of the air that enters 
> a
> properly designed velocity stack actually comes up from below the velocity
> stack top edge following the radius of the edge. ALL of the "top" mounted
> air filters that look good destroy this effect. They have a bottom plate
> with holes in them for the air to enter covered with small restrictive air
> filters. But, they look good.
>
> 6. The large radius velocity stacks like on Dennis's system will not
> fit inside any of the weber style filter assembles.
>
> 7. The donut filters are the worse compromise of them all.
>
>
>
> Now you might understand my struggle with compromise. If I'm quoted on
> something, please understand that it is probably out of context.
>
>
>
>
>
> Mike Trusty Engineering
>
> 15119 Gorgeous View Trail
>
> Little Rock, AR 72210
>
> Ph: 501-224-9013
>
> Fax: 501-421-0151
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mad Dog Antenucci [mailto:teampantera at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:08 PM
> To: michael frazier; Will Demelo; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] COOK ENT EFI INDIVIDUAL BILLET AIR FILTERS
>
>
>
> According to MikeTrusty its the "cool factor"..... the tall stacks look 
> cool
> the simulation impact doesn't equate to real world dyno results...in other
> words "no measurable increase......besides what would you do with more 
> then
> 118HP? ;-]>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mike Trusty Engineering
>
> 15119 Gorgeous View Trail
>
> Little Rock, AR 72210
>
> Ph: 501-224-9013
>
> Fax: 501-421-0151
>
>
>
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