[DeTomaso] New Engine Proposal

[cengles at cox.net]

Dear David,

If I understand the question is where to obtain a *fresh* 4-bolt block, then I would answer a) some NOS blocks seem to show up on eBay (however, they have the full potential to suffer core shift and thin walls, too) and b) a guy named Tod Buttermore has some real foundry and engine block credentials. He is currently moving ahead with the Buttermore-new-improved-351-Cleveland block project. His blocks will be beefier than normal and incorporate fixes for common 351C weaknesses and should come in two flavors: cast iron and cast aluminum. They probably won't be available for at least several months to a year or more........

Warmest regards, Chuck Engles




---- adin at frontier.net wrote:
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>Today's dumb question:
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>Where it get a fresh 4-bolt block???
>(Hopefully, my guess is wrong.)
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>any help appreciated.
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>David
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>Quoting Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>:
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>>>For awhile Pantera folks in the UK were importing 392-inch (I think?) Ford
>>>Racing stroker Windsors, and every one of them turned out to be junk. They
>>>either had big problems right out of the box, or shortly after they went on
>>>the road. All of them were eventually sorted out, by taking them apart,
>>>replacing substandard parts, repairing substandard work, etc. etc.
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>>and Ford was not standing behind those engines either. There was a
>>public flap about some of the Cobra replica guys running both the SBF
>>and BBF crate motors. It appears Ford got enough bad press that they
>>started to warranty at least some of their engine offerings (the ones
>>with "crate engine warranty" in the catalog). BTW, I've heard that
>>Ford will drop the 460-based crate motors shortly. Apparently the
>>supply of production blocks has been depleted.
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>>>www.mmeracing.com Lists a 408 stroker Cleveland for $5995 with
>>>exchange or core charge.
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>>When you price out the options make sure you are comparing apples to apples.
>>Some engines are full engines with all the parts included. Others are short
>>or long blocks, most require cores, etc. That particular MME 408C is a
>>long block rebuild on a core you provide and starts at $6K. It uses a cast
>>crank with a 4340 forged steel crank as an option.
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>>>There simply has to be a more reasonably priced, durable 351 Cleveland with
>>>great performance, than spending 10K
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>>The couple of 408C strokers I mentioned previously were built for around
>>$5K. When it comes to engines, one size does not fit all. Some many
>>only need a cheapie gaskets, rings, bearing and valve job type rebuild.
>>Others may need pistons, the crank reground, rods re-sized, etc. Others
>>may want a big inch stroker making over 500 HP. Others still may actually
>>need a race block with race internals costing $15K. You need to figure
>>out what you have, what you want/need and then you need to decide whether
>>to go with a local builder or someone else.
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>>>I think we need a web site with just everyone's experience with their
>>>specific engine and build and who built it, with what and who built
>>>their own.
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>>As others have mentioned, the 335 Series forum has an area for engine
>>builds.
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>>Dan Jones
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