[DeTomaso] No Log in Required?

Sat Apr 21 10:58:59 EDT 2007

Dick,

People, that have been on this list since it's conception, have expressed 
the need for a comprehensive Pantera register. Chuck is expending his time 
and his money to compile one. No one else has published an updated register 
since Bill Van Ess published his "commercial register"  from data between 
1976 through 1993. Regrettably it was never kept up to date. We should 
welcome Chuck's efforts.

Chuck's rationale for registering seemed reasonable to me. If anyone finds 
it disconcerting to register then they should not, as that is a personal 
decision. If Chuck subsequently decides to seek a commercial gain for his 
efforts then good for him. People can make a secondary decision to 
participate for a fee or not.

While you may "seen a need for the site in the past and don't see a 
compelling reason to start using the site now", many of us will.

Respectfully,

Forest Majors

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dick Koch" <arkoch at earthlink.net>
To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 9:37 AM
Subject: [DeTomaso] No Log in Required?

> Seems this thread has ruffled some feathers, especially the owner of the
> Provo site.  I think he/she has missed the point of the folks that have
> a problem with "registering" to gain access to the site.
>
> As I understand the Provo site, it is an informational site as is POCA,
> Pantera Place, and others, with a secondary usage of capturing Pantera
> owner's car information.
>
> The only time I have "registered" for a site is when I wanted to
> participate in a forum or chat room that needs to be monitored to be
> able to restrict folks that trash the discussions.  That can be done
> regardless of the accuracy of the registrant's registration. POCA is a
> case in point.
>
> The logic behind registering for the informational aspects of a website
> goes contrary to the general practice used on all but a few sites that
> do not have a commercial intent.  It certainly is contrary to the sites
> that cater to the Pantera community, even the commercial ones.
>
> To do otherwise under the subterfuge of controlling access to a subset
> of the web site would lead folks to conclude, as in the Provo site, that
> there is commercial intent.  There would be no other reason to require
> registration to the entire site.  Or could it be an ego driven desire to
> be needed.   No, that couldn't be the reason.
>
> To maintain the integrity of the registry, which is impossible to do
> given anyone can register under any name and present false information,
> the Provo site would do itself a favor by requiring a registration for
> only the registry, not the entire site.  To do otherwise is to encourage
> unsavory folks to put garbage into the registry.
>
> There is no need to create suspicion if there is no hidden agenda when
> it creates dissension in the "customers" it seeks to serve.
>
> As the Provo site owner pointed out, folks have a choice.  Don't like
> it, don't use it!  Given there are many excellent options to obtain
> comprehensive information on our beloved marque, I am sure many folks
> will take that advice and won't use it.  I would think, however, that
> the Provo site owner would be trying to attract folks to the site
> instead of alienating the people to which it supposedly caters.
>
> While I certainly applaud anyone that takes the time to add to the
> Pantera ownership experience, as the Provo site has for some folks in
> the past, I haven't seen a need for the site in the past and don't see a
> compelling reason to start using the site now.
>
> As JD would say, my two cents worth.
>
> Dick Koch - Atlanta
>
> Visit ProvaMo.com wrote:
>> I'm taking a little flak, and I'd rather spend my time building the 
>> registry
>> than answering those that chose not to participate.
>>
>> If you don't want to register, which is simple, and free, fine, then 
>> don't.
>> Hmmm, I think everyone registered for this forum.  People chose to 
>> register
>> for the PI forum. Never mind...That is a can o worms...
>>
>> There are some plans for significant features for the site that are in 
>> the
>> works. But that is for a future announcement.
>>
>> Logging in is necessary to protect the data in the Registry.  Imagine 
>> just
>> anyone could update/change or delete any (all) entries.
>>
>> With anything new, there will always be those with differing opinions.
>> There will always be "nay-sayers", complainers, etc.
>> I pick from comments that which I feel is a good idea, and incorporate 
>> it,
>> the rest I don't.
>> I have received a lot of supporting comments, sent privately.
>> I think many people are hesitant to post their positive opinion, for fear 
>> of
>> being the new focus of negative comments.
>>
>> I feel I am creating something of substantial interest to the DeTomaso
>> community.
>> The proof is in the large number (over 400) of people that do see value 
>> in
>> my work,
>> and have registered.  My website is only 18 days old today.  That 
>> satisfies
>> me that I am going in the right direction.
>>
>> If you don't care to view the thousands of photos I have taken over the 
>> more
>> than 10 years, don't.    PLEASE DON'T.
>>
>> I am paying the "Bandwidth Bill", and it is costing me real money.  I'm 
>> not
>> charging a fee, nor have any plans to.
>> And insinuating such is an insult.  I reward those that submit a car (any
>> car) to the Registry with access to it.
>>
>> Bottom line, if you don't like my new website, don't visit, but stop 
>> bashing
>> that which you don't like, don't understand or are ignorant of.
>>
>> My website is available for all to enjoy as they please, I only ask that 
>> you
>> treat me fairly, as you would want to be treated.  I believe many
>> will find it useful.  And so I have been told.
>>
>> Chuck Melton
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps Chuck needs this feature so he can charge a fee for access to the
>> registry later once it is established ?
>>
>>
>>
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