[DeTomaso] 73 for sale
Ryan Way
ryanway at sbcglobal.net
Fri Apr 13 13:32:17 EDT 2007
That is a clean car I wish my undercarriage was that pretty. That said I'm
not "feeling" the mufflers,and I HATE L bumpers. Sweet car though.
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> 1. Re: FW: light switch removal question (B. Seib)
> 2. Don Peak Memorial Service Information (RallyFanatic at aol.com)
> 3. TPR SORC Private message (Adin, David)
> 4. TPR exemptions (Adin, David)
> 5. safety equipment availablity at Fun Rally track days?
> (pantdino at aol.com)
> 6. Re: Fantastic Nor-Cal Pantera for sale (Visit ProvaMo.com)
> 7. Re: TPR exemptions (Mad Dog Antenucci)
> 8. Van Ess Registry (Larry Weston)
> 9. Re: Van Ess Registry (Visit ProvaMo.com)
> 10. Van Ess Registry (fresnofinches at aol.com)
> 11. '73 Race Pantera 4 Sale (C2haney at aol.com)
> 12. NPC: Every guy with tools can relate to this . . . (Mike Thomas)
> 13. Re: '73 Race Pantera 4 Sale (Mark McWhinney)
> 14. Re: '73 Race Pantera 4 Sale (Visit ProvaMo.com)
> 15. FW: safety equipment availablity at Fun Rally track days?
> (David & Marilyn Bell)
> 16. FW: Van Ess Registry (David & Marilyn Bell)
> 17. Re: '73 Race Pantera 4 Sale
> (Plotkin, Richard (NBC Universal, SPS LLC))
> 18. Re: NPC: Every guy with tools can relate to this . . .
> (Fastgrandma at aol.com)
> 19. Guara Setup in Pantera (Phil Lockett)
> 20. Guara Setup in Pantera ( J?ckel+Partner )
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:42:11 -0500
> From: "B. Seib" <oldwheel at mts.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: light switch removal question
> To: "DetomasoList" <detomaso at realbig.com>, <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
> Message-ID: <NEBBIDODKLDBLIMOECBFMEKCFFAA.oldwheel at mts.net>
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> My wiper switch is out of my car right now, so I went and looked at it.
> There is a small cylindrical pin that is spring loaded which acts as a
> detent. It pushes into the side of the shaft of the switch. Quite
> intricate
> really. The problem getting the knob off without damage is that the
> plastic
> gets a bit stuck to the hexagonal shaft over the years. If you tilt the
> plastic knob back and forth while you pull on it, you'll crack it or break
> it. You need to push the little pin all the way into the shaft and then
> pull
> the knob straight off while holding the pin all the way in at the same
> time.
> Patience is required.
> Good Luck.
> Barry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of David & Marilyn Bell
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 3:47 AM
> To: Detomaso at Realbig. Com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: light switch removal question
>
>
> Forwarded from Mike Drew:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 1:35 AM
> To: chrisvkimball at msn.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] light switch removal question
>
>
> In a message dated 4/11/07 23:20:10, chrisvkimball at msn.com writes:
>
> << I've looked at the wiper knob on the left side of the dash but see no
> way
> to remove the black, plastic knob. I need to get that off so I can pull
> the switch back through the back of the dash to access the wires. >>
>
>>>>I believe that there is a detent on the bottom of the knob. There is a
> spring-loaded ball on the bottom of the shaft on the switch, which engages
> that
> detent. You have to use a pin or a punch and depress that ball and
> withdraw
> the knob.
>
> Come to think of it though, when I pulled mine apart about 15 years ago, I
> seem to recall that I had to brutalize the knob somewhat. Maybe the
> Pantera
> knob doesn't have access to the detent from the outside?
>
> Mike
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:07:37 EDT
> From: RallyFanatic at aol.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Don Peak Memorial Service Information
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Cc: POCA1 at aol.com
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>
> THE DONALD J. PEAK FAMILY
> DON PEAK?S MEMORIAL SERVICE INFORMATION
> The information for Don?s memorial service and his very own, specially
> requested, ?wrap up party? is:
> SERVICES: DATE: Saturday, April 14, 2007
> TIME: 2:00 p.m.
> LOCATION: St. John?s Episcopal Church & School
> ADDRESS: 30382 Via Con Dios
> Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688
> (949) 888-4595
> While St. John?s is very close to the 241 Toll Road, there is also easy
> access from most major freeways. In Rancho Santa Margarita, the main
> intersection is Santa Margarita Parkway and Avenida de Los Flores.
> From Avenida de
> Los Flores, turn onto Via Con Dios. Follow Via Con Dios around, St.
> John?
> s is located where the road turns. There is parking in the church lot
> and
> lots of open roadway/curb parking (for Panteras). NOTE: Directions from
> the
> 241 toll road or the 5 freeway are available on the church?s phone
> auto-message system.
> ?WRAP-UP? PARTY:
> DATE: Saturday, April 14, 2007
> TIME: Immediately following the Service
> LOCATION: 26632 Via Noveno, Mission Viejo, CA 92691
> (949) 855-2735 (RSVP)
> A map for the ?Wrap-Up? party will be available at the church following
> the
> service. It is within a few miles of the church and conveniently located
> from the 241 Toll Road. This ?Wrap-Up? party was requested by Don
> several
> weeks before his passing.
> If you are able to be with us at Don?s ?Wrap-Up? party, please RSVP to
> Becky (Peak) Lane at (949) 855-2735. We would love to have you join us
> for
> both commemorations, or either one, at your choice.
> FLOWERS: St. John?s Episcopal Church is requesting that any
> flowers
> for the service be delivered on Saturday, the 14th, before 1:00 PM. If
> no
> one is at the office, they can be left in the shade in the church
> doorway.
> The church office will be closed on Friday.
> IN LIEU OF FLOWERS: In lieu of flowers, if you wish to make a
> donation in Don?s name, it should be made to: Armed Services YMCA.
> Please note
> on your check ?in memory of Donald James Peak.? The address is: Camp
> Pendleton Armed Services YMCA, Box 555028, Building 16144, Camp
> Pendleton, CA
> 92055-5028. The Armed Services YMCA uses these donations to tend to the
> needs of the military families in all aspects of their lives. Don
> loved all
> those serving their country in the various branches of the military
> service
> and opened his heart, home, (and checkbook) to them.
> Please pass on this information to all those you know who may want to
> have
> it. Thank you so much.
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at
> http://www.aol.com.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:32:01 -0600
> From: "Adin, David" <DavidAdin at mercydurango.org>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] TPR SORC Private message
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
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> Tom and Mad Dawg,
>
> I have requested special dispensation for Team Pantera Racing at the tar
> and feathering ceremony. Just show the sheriff your skin rash and we
> should be good to go.
>
> That is all.
>
> The Pope
> Crusty Old Fart Extraordinaire & Icky Old Man
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:19:51 -0600
> From: "Adin, David" <DavidAdin at mercydurango.org>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] TPR exemptions
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID:
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>
>
> Bad news Mad Dawg . . .
>
>
>
> And I quote:
>
>
>
> Yo Dave,
>
>
>
> SORC does provide the numbers. Would you like the numbers to black or
> white? I'm sorry but there is no exemptions.
>
>
>
> Becky
>
>
>
> "Adin, David" <DavidAdin at mercydurango.org> wrote:
>
> Yo Beckster,
>
>
>
> I believe I was told when I signed up that I would need to provide my
> own car numbers (444 as I recall). The 2007 Official Rule Book and tips
> for a great time in Arnold indicates that these will be provided. Any
> clarification?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> David in Durango
>
> Crusty Old Fart Extraordinaire & Icky Old Man
>
> Team Pantera Racing
>
>
>
> PS: Mad Dawg and Big Tom have developed some sore of mild skin
> irritation. If it comes to a tar and feathering can we get a exemption?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:46:15 -0400
> From: pantdino at aol.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] safety equipment availablity at Fun Rally track
> days?
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <8C94B525DE90D3A-47C-CE5 at webmail-me06.sysops.aol.com>
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> A friend of mine has a friend who has a business in the Las Vegas area
> that sells track safety equipment such as helmets and HANS devices.
> Does one of the vendors already sell these?
> If not, he would be interested in being at the track to supply them.
>
> Jim
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:35:52 -0700
> From: "Visit ProvaMo.com" <pantera007 at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fantastic Nor-Cal Pantera for sale
> To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, <DeTomaso at realbig.com>, <Joey at netshel.net>
> Message-ID: <ILENLNGGPDHKPGLHFMCPEEBFEBAA.pantera007 at sbcglobal.net>
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>
> Listers,
> I've added this car to the Cars for Sale page:
> http://www.provamo.com/Members/DeTomaso4Sale/DeTomasoForSale.asp
> and included Mike's photos.
>
> Bill Jordan,
> If you send me some photos of the restoration, I'll add those also.
> Chuck Melton
> www.ProvaMo.com
>
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I periodically examine local Panteras for sale, with an eye towards
> linking
> sellers with prospective buyers. Recently I had the opportunity to view a
> really beautiful Pantera that's for sale in the town of Rough and Ready,
> CA. If
> that sounds like it's out in the boondocks, you're right. It is outside
> of
> Grass Valley, which itself is about 45 minutes north of Sacramento, CA.
>
> It's owned by a fellow named Bill Jordan, who is an SCCA racer (Spec
> Ford),
> and who simply doesn't have the time to enjoy the Pantera properly, as he
> is
> totally wound up by his racing.
>
> The car in question is a 1974 Pantera GTS, VIN THGTPL07052. It is
> currently
> on a salvage title (more on that later), but has benefited from an
> extremely
> meticulous seven-year restoration. Curiously, the fellow who did all the
> work
> (the previous owner) elected to delete any traces of GTS from the car,
> eliminating the stock color scheme, GTS flares etc. The only thing (other
> than the
> VIN) that would tip somebody off to this car's GTS-ness is the clock on
> the
> passenger side of the dashboard.
>
> Bill doesn't have many details about the nature of the car's accident
> history (although he is still in touch with the previous owner and can get
> any
> questions answered). He said that it had been involved in an accident on
> the left
> side quarter panel between the door and the wheel. However, in looking at
> the
> photos I took, I realized that the interior has been changed; it has none
> of
> the GTS-specific items (except for the aforementioned clock). GTS
> Panteras
> had a unique three-spoke steering wheel, Ghia badge in the shift knob, and
> the
> tach and speedo were specially made without the De Tomaso logos; all those
> items are no longer present. So this might have a story similar to the
> other
> Pantera GTS that sold a few weeks ago, which had undergone an interior
> fire which
> led to a full restoration.
>
> This car is now painted a very vibrant red (it basically looks like a
> stock
> L-model), with no flares. During the restoration it was taken down to
> bare
> metal and any damage was repaired (and Bill has the photos showing it in
> bare
> metal). The paint job on the car is simply outstanding, far better than
> OEM
> quality. I could only see one minor chip in the paint, caused by
> over-opening the
> front hood and hitting the inside of the L-model bumper. "Hibachi" vents
> have been added to the front hood.
>
> All the chrome trim is blacked out (which was standard on GTS Panteras).
> There are no "DeTomaso", "Pantera" or "GTS" badges on the rear of the car
> (all
> the holes have been filled), nor are there any Ghia badges on the flanks.
> The Ghia badge on the front bumper has been replaced with a De Tomaso
> logo,
> which again makes this car look like an L-model.
>
> It has 7-inch Pre-L Campy wheels in the front and 10-inch Campys in the
> rear,
> fitted with BFG Euro T/A tires, 225/50-15 and 305/50-15, with almost zero
> wear.
>
> The interior has been tastefully modified. The stock seats have been
> replaced with leather-covered Recaros (whose headrests aren't installed--I
> forgot to
> ask if he has them or not). A brushed aluminum insert has been let into
> the
> front of the dashboard, and a Panasonic stereo is fitted. The stock
> seatbelts
> are gone (and in fact the retractors at the base of the interior panel,
> and
> the retractor covers, are missing, leaving large holes visible in the
> upholstery). It is possible to see extensive sound and heat insulation
> through these
> holes; apparently the whole cabin has been treated thusly. Generic
> aftermarket
> three-point seatbelts are in place, and they work quite well.
>
> The stock headliner is absent; a light gray headliner is installed, and
> the
> four surrounding trim pieces have been covered in gray vinyl.
>
> The stock steering wheel has been replaced by a LeCarra wheel, and like
> every
> Pantera I've ever seen with one of these wheels, during the installation
> the
> bushing at the base of the steering column broke, and thus the upper
> U-joint
> is dragging on the tube, and there is unwanted in-and-out motion of the
> wheel.
> (This is something that most owners never even notice until it's pointed
> out,
> and thankfully it is easily fixed with a $16 bushing from Pantera
> Performance
> Center). The stock shift knob has been replaced with a Hall Pantera
> oversized knob with De Tomaso logo.
>
> One true oddity is the fact that this car has two ignition switches! The
> rheostat to the left of the headlight switch has been replaced with a
> generic
> ignition switch, and the original switch is also in place. I can only
> surmise
> that the stock switch broke (the electrical portion can conk out), and
> rather t
> han spending the big bucks to replace the entire switch, the previous
> owner
> decided to just keep it there and utilize the steering lock function, and
> rewire
> the circuit to incorporate a new switch on the dash.
>
> Perhaps as a byproduct of eliminating the rheostat, none of the vertical
> panel instrument lights work. As a late-model car, this car has a pair of
> green
> floodlights under the dash which illuminate the panel, and reduce the
> necessity
> for individual instrument lights. (The other rheostat, to the left of the
> steering column, still functions normally by dimming the main instrument
> lights).
>
> Up front, a Hall Pantera radiator is cooled by aftermarket, Brand X pusher
> fans. They have the appearance of stock fans (i.e. they are not the
> larger
> Meriah units), but the blades look like those from Meriah. The person who
> restored the car bought most (all?) of the parts from Hall Pantera, so
> it's possible
> that's where they came from. The car also has a Hall master cylinder (but
> otherwise stock brakes), and braided steel brake lines.
>
> The engine bay is very clean. 1974 Panteras had no undercoating in the
> engine compartment, and instead were finished in a satin black. Because
> this car
> had to pass smog inspections until fairly recently, a bunch of smog
> equipment
> is still on the car, although at least one vacuum line is disconnected.
>
> The motor has been rebuild with 1971 closed-chamber quench heads. I
> forgot
> to note if the blue-painted intake manifold is original, but an economy
> Holley
> carburetor is mounted atop a spacer, which may be an adapter to allow the
> squarebore Holley to work atop a stock spreadbore intake. De Tomaso valve
> covers
> are fitted, and the air cleaner has been painted with a matching black
> crinkle
> finish. A heavy-duty A/C condensor has been installed, but the A/C system
> isn
> 't hooked up yet.
>
> An electric antenna is mounted to the gas tank shield, and very discreetly
> pokes up through the engine screen when the radio is turned on.
>
> Bill works on his race car and thus knows his way around, mechanically.
> He
> pulled the gearbox and safety-wired the ring and pinion, at the same time
> he
> installed a Centerforce clutch.
>
> After a quick walk-around, I hopped in and turned the key--the car started
> right up. The fans have been rewired; my memory is a bit fuzzy on this
> detail
> (since I have looked at four Pantera fan wiring schemes in the past five
> days),
> but I believe that one is wired to the key and the other is controlled by
> a
> switch on the dash. You'll have to clarify that with Bill, however.
>
> The exhaust note is civilized. The stock exhaust has been replaced with
> some
> sort of headers, and a custom exhaust featuring short Cadillac STS
> mufflers
> and a crossover tube. It sounds terrific.
>
> I backed the car out of the driveway, and set off down the road. The car
> drives quite nicely, with no untoward rattles for the most part. The
> previous
> owner installed polyurethane A-arm and swaybar bushings with no
> lubrication
> (?????) and therefore the car makes a substantial racket in that regard.
> Going
> over some bumpy sections I could hear the distinctive clunk of a worn-out
> steering rack, which isn't surprising considering the 54K miles on the
> car. (more
> on that in a minute too). The ride is smooth and controlled, thanks to
> aftermarket adjustable shocks (probably Aldans from Hall Pantera).
>
> The gearbox has the wrong angle drive, and as a result the speedometer
> reads
> about 20% high.
>
> The brakes felt decent, although nothing to write home about--basically
> stock
> Pantera-spec. The car pulled very slightly to the right, which might be
> down
> to tire pressure and/or wheel alignment. The car hasn't been driven much
> at
> all since he bought it.
>
> Shifting action felt fine while underway, initially. Later on, I got a
> crunch when shifting into 2nd gear, although my foot was all the way to
> the floor
> on the clutch pedal. Bill said that the clutch slave cylinder had been
> leaking
> slightly, which would probably account for it.
>
> In fact, when we got back to the house, while stationary, I wasn't able to
> select either first or reverse, getting crunching all over the place.
> Bill
> hopped into the seat, and immediately got all six gears with no problems.
> So
> perhaps there is some technique involved (or perhaps I'm an idiot), but I
> would
> look hard at the clutch slave cylinder and almost assuredly replace it.
>
> Due to the high compression, the car has a slight detonation problem when
> the
> engine is lugged at lower rpm in higher gears. Bill recently retarded the
> timing 3 degrees (it has an MSD ignition), but it's apparently too far
> advanced. I know when I installed my MSD ignition, the stock curve was
> all wrong for a
> street motor, with far too much initial advance, so a recurve of the
> distributor would probably be a good idea. The motor ran at reasonable
> temperatures
> and oil pressures the entire time.
>
> We drove to a scenic area of his estate to shoot photos, knowing that, due
> to
> a weak stock starter, the car would not start again right away. The
> starter
> is well past its prime, and the car has to sit for about ten minutes and
> cool
> off before it has the oomph to turn it over. Eventually we were able to
> drive
> back to the garage.
>
> Jacking up the car, I was happy to see that the chassis rails are in
> perfect
> order (i.e. no indication of any accident damage). There are drain holes
> drilled in the chassis tubes, and no evidence of any rust. Interestingly,
> the
> lower A-arms have been replaced with aftermarket chromemoly A-arms that
> are
> totally unique; I've never seen them before and have no idea who makes
> them. They
> appear to be quite stout however, so I would view this as a nice feature.
>
> While the car was in the air, I tested the rear axles for axle/bearing
> wear.
> The passenger side axle is totally destroyed, while the driver's side is
> rock-solid. Bill's eyes got as big as saucers when he saw the movement on
> the
> driver's side; he is very meticulous about his race car and checks the
> bearings
> before and after every race, but had no idea that Pantera axles wear out
> in
> this fashion. Although the car can be driven, the axle needs to be
> attended to
> very soon.
>
> The steering rack bushing was blown out in the traditional fashion, as I
> suspected.
>
> So, here is the bottom line:
>
> Pros:
>
> Fantastic red paint, with perfect body lines everywhere
> Very nice interior
> Recaro seats
> Cools well
> Good oil pressure
> Drives nicely
> Appears to be totally devoid of rust
> Bare metal restoration, completed five years ago, with only about 6000
> miles
> since
> 10-inch Campy wheels, new-ish tires
> Safety-wired ZF gearbox
> Heavy-duty A/C components
> Solid motor runs well, no smoke etc. (detonation needs to be addressed
> with
> distributor tuning)
> Aldan shocks
> Great radiator, new hoses
>
> Cons:
>
> Needs steering rack rebuild ($35 bushing)
> Right stub axle is wiped out (figure about $550 for new axle, axle nut and
> bearings)
> Stock starter is totally inadequate for a high-compression motor ($250)
> A/C needs to be hooked up and charged ($500?)
> Clutch slave cylinder needs to be replaced ($100-200)
> Hokey two-ignition-switch operation ($150 for electric 'guts' for stock
> switch)
> Blown-out steering column bushing ($16)
> Missing headrests?
> Missing rheostat/inop instrument lights (unknown $$$ and time to sort out;
> could be simple)
>
> Basically, this is an excellent Pantera, one needing only two or three
> days
> of concerted work to be a virtually perfect car that can be driven every
> day.
> If it were a perfect car with a clean title, I'd call it close to a
> $50,000
> car in today's market (remember prices seem to be higher here in
> California).
> Bill is asking $45,000, which is a fair asking price in my view, although
> I
> would factor in the cost of the needed repairs and negotiate accordingly.
>
> Now, a bit of discussion about the fact that it is on a salvage title.
> There
> are a lot of people who reflexivly recoil away from any car on a salvage
> title; normally people associate that with a car that has been
> comprehensively
> smashed and turned into a pretzel (or more recently, flooded out by
> Hurricane
> Katrina).
>
> But it is very easy for a perfectly good car with minimal damage to get
> totalled out. If the owner is a Cheap Charlie and understates the value
> of his car
> when buying insurance, when the car is involved in an incident, costs can
> very quickly mount and reach the typical 80% value threshold whereupon the
> insurance company totals the car. So there are some very nice, lightly
> damaged cars
> out there that are totalled out.
>
> I can understand being wary of a salvage title car; if the history of the
> car
> is unknown, i.e. it's a Hurricane Katrina victim, that's one thing. But
> the
> full history of this car is known. The guy who bought the wreck then
> spent
> seven YEARS doing a full, ground-up, bare-metal restoration, and there is
> photographic evidence to support that, and he is still around and can be
> questioned
> in detail. When you see a car in bare metal stripped to the last screw,
> that
> has then been painstakingly put back together, what difference does it
> make
> that at some point in its life some clerk at Allstate wrote it off?
>
> There are lots and LOTS of Panteras out there with non-salvage titles that
> are total pieces of crap. You want a piece of paper, you buy a piece of
> paper. You want a good CAR, you buy a good CAR and forget about the
> stupid paper.
>
> This is coming from a guy who bought a piece of paper! Mine was the worst
> Pantera in the world, badly wrecked, badly repaired and rusted to shreds
> was
> associated with it, and it took 17 years and untold thousands of dollars
> for me
> to get it mostly restored. But it wasn't on a salvage title. This car is
> a
> million times better than my car was when I bought it, paper
> notwithstanding.
>
> Finally, I note that since the instruments have been replaced, there is no
> way of knowing the true mileage on the car. (And in fact, that might
> account
> for the fact that the speedometer reads so high, as the previous gauge may
> have
> been set up for a different angle drive ratio). But the only important
> thing
> is the mileage since the restoration, which is about 6000 or so. (Bill
> keeps
> detailed records, has all the manuals etc. and so forth)
>
> Bill can be reached at (530) 432-1991; his wife's e-mail is
> Joey at netshel.net.
>
> Photos of the car can be found here:
>
> http://members.aol.com/MikeLDrew/BillJordanPantera.zip
>
> Clicking that link will download a 7.4 mb folder of photos to your hard
> drive.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Mike
>
>
> **************************************
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:44:58 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] TPR exemptions
> To: "Adin, David" <DavidAdin at mercydurango.org>, detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <237529.69769.qm at web50104.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Durango Dave,
>
> I told you not to ask for 69!
>
> md
> "Adin, David" <DavidAdin at mercydurango.org> wrote:
>
>
> Bad news Mad Dawg . . .
>
>
>
> And I quote:
>
>
>
> Yo Dave,
>
>
>
> SORC does provide the numbers. Would you like the numbers to black or
> white? I'm sorry but there is no exemptions.
>
>
>
> Becky
>
>
>
> "Adin, David" wrote:
>
> Yo Beckster,
>
>
>
> I believe I was told when I signed up that I would need to provide my
> own car numbers (444 as I recall). The 2007 Official Rule Book and tips
> for a great time in Arnold indicates that these will be provided. Any
> clarification?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> David in Durango
>
> Crusty Old Fart Extraordinaire & Icky Old Man
>
> Team Pantera Racing
>
>
>
> PS: Mad Dawg and Big Tom have developed some sore of mild skin
> irritation. If it comes to a tar and feathering can we get a exemption?
>
>
>
>
>
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> Team Pantera Racing
> The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:02:26 -0400
> From: "Larry Weston" <lplugw at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Van Ess Registry
> To: detomaso at list.realbig.com
> Message-ID: <BAY128-F134A4CA20DF10ACA2DBEADDA5E0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>
> Hi,
> Wondering if anyone has access to a copy of the Bill Van Ess registry of
> panteras.
>
> I understand that it's been out of print for a while.
>
> I've heard that my car is listed there and I'd like to know what it says.
>
> If someone could forward a copy of whatever it may have to say about 7102
> I
> would greatly appreciate it.
>
> Thanks,
> Larry Weston.
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:52:12 -0700
> From: "Visit ProvaMo.com" <pantera007 at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Van Ess Registry
> To: "Larry Weston" <lplugw at hotmail.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <ILENLNGGPDHKPGLHFMCPEEBHEBAA.pantera007 at sbcglobal.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250"
>
> The ProvaMo Online Registry only has a little info on your car.
> THPNPL07102: A 1974 USA model, with a door jam build date likely of 5/74.
> Body service number around 526??, Motor number around 6200. Believed to
> be
> in Calif at one time.
>
> Can you send me some photos of your car, for the Online Registry?
>
> Chuck
> www.ProvaMo.com
> (ProvaMo Online DeTomaso Registry)
> Hi,
> Wondering if anyone has access to a copy of the Bill Van Ess registry of
> panteras.
>
> I understand that it's been out of print for a while.
>
> I've heard that my car is listed there and I'd like to know what it says.
>
> If someone could forward a copy of whatever it may have to say about 7102
> I
> would greatly appreciate it.
>
> Thanks,
> Larry Weston.
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:00:30 -0400
> From: fresnofinches at aol.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Van Ess Registry
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <8C94B6D807EF229-E5C-64D at webmail-me10.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Larry,
>
> Van Ess registry says: thpnpl07102
>
> 5/74 build date.....body # 52627......motor #06175.....trans #9977
>
> original color orange/black
>
> CA owner Roland H. Marschafsky
>
> 8" and 10" Campys - "The car came from the dealer (according to the
> previous owner) with the GTS package"
>
> That is all registry has to say.
>
> Note that the serial number does not have a GT in it, and thus is NOT a
> USA Ford GTS.
>
> Larry
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:27:08 EDT
> From: C2haney at aol.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] '73 Race Pantera 4 Sale
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <d3a.6bac8dc.3350285c at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> 1973 Pantera, Group 4, non-factory vintage racecar. VIN THPNMRO2846
> Raced 1977-1978 "12 hr.Sebring" by Mark Lewzinger.
> NASCAR motor, 358 c.i., SVO Windsor block, Robert Yates aluminum head,
> Carrillo rod, Sunny Bryant Billit crank, J&E pistons, SVO drysump, etc.
> New shocks, springs and brakes. 5 pt. harness, roll cage, 2 sets of rims.
> Race car with registered plates. Will be in Las Vegas for races with
> Pantera
> Club.
> Serious buyers please. $55,000.
> Colin Haney
> 562.431.7526
> _C2Haney at aol.com_ (mailto:C2Haney at aol.com)
>
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:29:33 -0700
> From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Every guy with tools can relate to this . . .
> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <S5254892AbXDMA24/20070413002858Z+947 at realbig.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> DRILL PRESS: A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat
> metal
> bar stock out of your hands so that it smacks you in the chest and flings
> your beer across the room, splattering it against that freshly-stained
> heirloom piece you were drying.
> WIRE WHEEL: Cleans paint off bolts and then throws them somewhere under
> the
> workbench with the speed of light. Also removes fingerprints and
> hard-earned
> guitar calluses from fingers in about the time it takes you to say, "Yeou
> sh$t...."
> ELECTRIC HAND DRILL: Normally used for spinning pop rivets in their holes
> until you die of old age.
> SKIL SAW: A portable cutting tool used to make studs too short.
> PLIERS: Used to round off bolt heads. Sometimes used in the creation of
> blood-blisters. The most often tool used by all women.
> BELT SANDER: An electric sanding tool commonly used to convert minor
> touch-up jobs into major refinishing jobs.
> HACKSAW: One of a family of cutting tools built on the Ouija board
> principle. It transforms human energy into a crooked, unpredictable
> motion,
> and the more you attempt to influence its course, the more dismal your
> future becomes.
> VISE-GRIPS: Generally used after pliers to completely round off bolt
> heads. If nothing else is available, they can also be used to transfer
> intense welding heat to the palm of your hand.
> WELDING GLOVES: Heavy duty leather gloves used to prolong the conduction
> of intense welding heat to the palm of your hand.
> OXYACETYLENE TORCH: Used almost entirely for lighting various flammable
> objects in your shop on fire. Also handy for igniting the grease inside
> the
> wheel hub you want the bearing race out of.
> WHITWORTH SOCKETS: Once used for working on older British cars and
> motorcycles, they are now used mainly for impersonating that 9/16 or ?
> socket you've been searching for the last 45 minutes.
> TABLE SAW: A large stationary power tool commonly used to launch wood
> projectiles for testing wall integrity.
> HYDRAULIC FLOOR JACK: Used for lowering an automobile to the ground after
> you have installed your new brake shoes, trapping the jack handle firmly
> under the bumper.
> EIGHT-FOOT LONG YELLOW PINE 2X4: Used for levering an automobile upward
> off of a trapped hydraulic jack handle.
> TWEEZERS: A tool for removing wood splinters and wire wheel wires.
> E-Z OUT BOLT AND STUD EXTRACTOR: A tool ten times harder than any known
> drill bit that snaps neatly off in bolt holes thereby ending any possible
> future use.
> RADIAL ARM SAW: A large stationary power saw primarily used by most shops
> to scare neophytes into choosing another line of work.
> TWO-TON ENGINE HOIST: A tool for testing the maximum tensile strength of
> everything you forgot to disconnect.
> CRAFTSMAN 1/2 x 24-INCH SCREWDRIVER: A very large pry bar that
> inexplicably has an accurately machined screwdriver tip on the end
> opposite
> the handle.
> AVIATION METAL SNIPS: See hacksaw.
> TROUBLE LIGHT: The home mechanic's own tanning booth. Sometimes called a
> drop light, it is a good source of vitamin D, "the sunshine vitamin,"
> which
> is not otherwise found under cars at night. Health benefits aside, its
> main
> purpose is to consume 40-watt light bulbs at about the same rate that
> 105mm
> howitzer shells might be used during, say, the first few hours of the
> Battle
> of the Bulge. More often dark than light, its name is somewhat misleading.
> PHILLIPS SCREWDRIVER: Normally used to stab the vacuum seals under lids
> and for opening old-style paper-and-tin oil cans and splashing oil on your
> shirt; but can also be used, as the name implies, to strip out Phillips
> screw heads. Women excel at using this tool.
> STRAIGHT SCREWDRIVER: A tool for opening paint cans. Sometimes used to
> convert common slotted screws into non-removable screws.
> AIR COMPRESSOR: A machine that takes energy produced in a coal-burning
> power plant 200 miles away and transforms it into compressed air that
> travels by hose to a pneumatic impact wrench that grips rusty bolts which
> were last over tightened 30 years ago by someone at Ford, and instantly
> rounds off their heads. Also used to quickly snap off lug nuts.
> PRY BAR: A tool used to crumple the metal surrounding that clip or
> bracket
> you needed to remove in order to replace a 50 cent part.
> HOSE CUTTER: A tool used to make hoses too short.
> HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is
> used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent
> the object we are trying to hit. Women primarily use it to make gaping
> holes
> in walls when hanging pictures.
> MECHANIC'S KNIFE: Used to open and slice through the contents of
> cardboard
> cartons delivered to your front door; works particularly well on contents
> such as seats, vinyl records, liquids in plastic bottles, collector
> magazines, refund checks, and rubber or plastic parts. Especially useful
> for
> slicing work clothes, but only while in use.
> DAMMIT TOOL: Any handy tool that you grab and throw across the garage
> while yelling "DAMMIT" at the top of your lungs. It is also, most often,
> the
> next tool that you will need.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:30:06 -0700
> From: "Mark McWhinney" <msm at portata.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] '73 Race Pantera 4 Sale
> To: <C2haney at aol.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID:
> <20070413003020.7CD0C32C030 at smtpauth01.csee.siteprotect.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Is this the car that you ran at LV last year and in previous years?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> On
> Behalf Of C2haney at aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 5:27 PM
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] '73 Race Pantera 4 Sale
>
> 1973 Pantera, Group 4, non-factory vintage racecar. VIN THPNMRO2846
> Raced 1977-1978 "12 hr.Sebring" by Mark Lewzinger.
> NASCAR motor, 358 c.i., SVO Windsor block, Robert Yates aluminum head,
> Carrillo rod, Sunny Bryant Billit crank, J&E pistons, SVO drysump, etc.
> New shocks, springs and brakes. 5 pt. harness, roll cage, 2 sets of rims.
> Race car with registered plates. Will be in Las Vegas for races with
> Pantera
> Club.
> Serious buyers please. $55,000.
> Colin Haney
> 562.431.7526
> _C2Haney at aol.com_ (mailto:C2Haney at aol.com)
>
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:48:47 -0700
> From: "Visit ProvaMo.com" <pantera007 at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] '73 Race Pantera 4 Sale
> To: <C2haney at aol.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <ILENLNGGPDHKPGLHFMCPGEBLEBAA.pantera007 at sbcglobal.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250"
>
> I've placed some photos of this car on my website, and added it to the
> DeTomasos For Sale section found here:
>
> http://www.provamo.com/Members/DeTomaso4Sale/DeTomasoForSale.asp
>
> Chuck Melton
> www.ProvaMo.com
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:16:30 -0500
> From: "David & Marilyn Bell" <davidabell at worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: safety equipment availablity at Fun Rally
> track days?
> To: "Detomaso at Realbig. Com" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <GCEHLABMPJDEDDEFCONNKEHNEDAA.davidabell at worldnet.att.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Forwarded for Mike Drew:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 8:42 PM
> To: Pantdino at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] safety equipment availablity at Fun Rally track
> days?
>
>
> In a message dated 4/12/07 12:47:45, pantdino at aol.com writes:
>
> << A friend of mine has a friend who has a business in the Las Vegas area
> that sells track safety equipment such as helmets and HANS devices. Does
> one of the vendors already sell these? If not, he would be interested in
> being at the track to supply them. >>
>
>>>>We don't currently have anyone set up to sell safety equipment at the
> track. I believe there is a $100 charge for vendors to set up a booth,
> which can
> be as big as they like. Larry Finch (PCNCVegasTrack at aol.com) is the go-to
> guy
> to set that up.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
> **************************************
>
> See what's free at
> http://www.aol.com.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:17:54 -0500
> From: "David & Marilyn Bell" <davidabell at worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: Van Ess Registry
> To: "Detomaso at Realbig. Com" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <GCEHLABMPJDEDDEFCONNAEHOEDAA.davidabell at worldnet.att.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Forwarded from Mike Drew:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 8:46 PM
> To: lplugw at hotmail.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Van Ess Registry
>
>
> In a message dated 4/12/07 15:03:09, lplugw at hotmail.com writes:
>
> << Wondering if anyone has access to a copy of the Bill Van Ess registry
> of
> panteras. >>>Sitting right on the floor alongside my desk....
>
>>I understand that it's been out of print for a while.
>
>>>>Yes, and it's woefully out of date. Chuck Melton is currently creating
>>>>a
> new, comprehensive registry that will be much more complete.
>
>>I've heard that my car is listed there and I'd like to know what it says.
>
> If someone could forward a copy of whatever it may have to say about 7102
> I
> would greatly appreciate it. >>
>
>>>>It's an L-model Pantera, equipped with 8 and 10 inch Campy wheels. The
> car reportedly came from the dealer (according to a previous owner) with
> the
> GTS
> paint scheme in orange and black, but it's not a real GTS.
>
> Nothing else is written on it....
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
> **************************************
>
> See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:31:27 -0700
> From: "Plotkin, Richard \(NBC Universal, SPS LLC\)"
> <Richard.Plotkin at nbcuni.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] '73 Race Pantera 4 Sale
> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID:
> <3FA8D58237D9FF4698F988B172E35E0903E118F5 at UCTMLVEM03.e2k.ad.ge.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Wow Colin, sorry to see this one go. It's always been one of my
> favorites. I still have the t-shirt from the Vegas Pantera event in 2005
> with your car on it for your win in 2004. Gorgeous and aggressive. I
> love the fresh air intake on the roof.
>
> Damn, say it ain't so......
>
> (a quick google search brought up these ProvaMo photos)
>
> http://www.geocities.com/parkinglotparty/2004LVSTHaney2.html
> http://www.hollywoodpanteras.com/Colin_Vegas_2004.jpg
>
>
> -Richard
>
>
>
>
>> ------- Original Message -------
>> From: "C2haney at aol.com" <C2haney at aol.com>
>> To: "detomaso at realbig.com" <detomaso at realbig.com>
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Thu 4/12/07 5:27 PM PDT
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] '73 Race Pantera 4 Sale
>
>> 1973 Pantera, Group 4, non-factory vintage racecar. VIN THPNMRO2846
>> Raced 1977-1978 "12 hr.Sebring" by Mark Lewzinger.
>> NASCAR motor, 358 c.i., SVO Windsor block, Robert Yates aluminum head,
>> Carrillo rod, Sunny Bryant Billit crank, J&E pistons, SVO drysump, etc.
>> New shocks, springs and brakes. 5 pt. harness, roll cage, 2 sets of rims.
>> Race car with registered plates. Will be in Las Vegas for races with
>> Pantera
>> Club.
>> Serious buyers please. $55,000.
>> Colin Haney
>> 562.431.7526
>> _C2Haney at aol.com_ (mailto:C2Haney at aol.com)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ************************************** See what's free at
>> http://www.aol.com.
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>>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:38:22 EDT
> From: Fastgrandma at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Every guy with tools can relate to this .
> . .
> To: mbefthomas at comcast.net, detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <ccf.c3b7990.3350714e at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Whoever wrote this sure doesn't have a family like ours; all the females
> know
> how to use tools and in one instance it is a son-in-law who is rather
> incapable! Fortunately his wife learned how to work on cars before
> marrying him!
> Most of us have our own tools so the guys don't mess them up.
>
> Judy
>
>
> **************************************
> See what's free at
> http://www.aol.com.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 02:43:23 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Phil Lockett <montecarlo296 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Guara Setup in Pantera
> To: detomaso forum <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <224903.71663.qm at web60421.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> All,
> I?m looking at pretty much replicating the Guara engine/gearbox
> arrangement in my Pantera. I have a 4.0 BMW V8 engine ? currently with
> auto flywheel. Audi ?boxes are 10 a penny here. Does anyone have details
> of the flywheel/clutch/adaptor plate arrangement used on the Guara?
> Thanks
> Phil
>
>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:35:57 +0200
> From: Jaeckel-Partner-GMBH at t-online.de ( J?ckel+Partner )
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Guara Setup in Pantera
> To: <detomaso at list.realbig.com>
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> The Guara with BMW V8 has a gear between engine and gearbox. The motor is
> mounted in a lower position than the gearbox. The motor and gearbox are
> part of the rear subframe. If you are intersted, i have a fire damaged
> Guara for sale.
>
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