[DeTomaso] Oil pump pickup support...Nylocs in the oil pan???

Sun Apr 8 20:27:53 EDT 2007

For what it's worth, my experience has been that the nylocs in the pan hold
up to extreme temperature just fine.

I've got an Aviad 10pt pan (virtually identical to the Armando's pan), which
has nyloc nuts on both the oil pick-up support and the windage tray.  I've
had this engine at the track probably 20 times over the last 7 years and
thrashed it unmercifully every time out.  I don't have an oil cooler to drop
the oil temp and almost all of the track time has been in Texas heat.  I
also don't have an oil temp gauge (ignorance is probably bliss in this case)
but others without oil coolers have often seen 300F at the track.  Whatever
the exact temperature, the engine oil gets VERY, VERY hot.

I've also had the pan off a couple of times over that 7 year span, most
recently last year to check and change out the rod and main bearings.  The
nylocs in the pan were removed, inspected, and to my eye in perfect
condition both times.  The same nylocs are still in the pan today.

While I can understand the concern over engine damage due to the nylocs
disintegrating, as long as they are quality pieces I don't thing there's
much to worry about.  Though as always, YMMV.

Dave Bell  (if I can't break it, no one can)

-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On
Behalf Of Thomas Borcich
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 5:57 PM
To: Larry - Ohio Time Corp.; Mad Dog Antenucci; B. Seib; Mike Thomas;
Pantera Garth Rodericks
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil pump pickup support...Nylocs in the oil pan???

Another item not mentioned on this thread is the support for the oil pump
pickup.  It is held on with the same nylocs nuts as the windage tray. I
think that is even more important to safety wire because Armando mentioned
to me (when I was at his shop) that the pipe threat that screws into the oil
pump is the weak link for the pickup and he has seen them break at the
threads before and you lose the pump pickup...that is why he added the
support. But if that nylocs backs off for any reason, you have potentially a
much worse problem if the pickup breaks off. So needless to say I am also
safety wiring my pickup support nut.

Best regards,

Tom Borcich

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Larry - Ohio Time Corp.<mailto:larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
  To: Mad Dog Antenucci<mailto:teampantera at yahoo.com> ; B.
Seib<mailto:oldwheel at mts.net> ; Mike Thomas<mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net> ;
'Thomas Borcich'<mailto:tborcich at msn.com>
  Cc: detomaso at realbig.com<mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>
  Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 11:07 AM
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nylocs in the oil pan???

  <<Lock-wire the oil pan...don't forget the valve covers >>

  Hanging out in the pits at Watkins Glen during the 6 hr endurance races,
  1975 or so, they had everything run with safety wire. Yes MD even the
valve
  covers.

  Larry (like the pliers) - Cleveland

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Mad Dog Antenucci"
<teampantera at yahoo.com<mailto:teampantera at yahoo.com>>
  To: "B. Seib" <oldwheel at mts.net<mailto:oldwheel at mts.net>>; "Mike Thomas"
<mbefthomas at comcast.net<mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net>>;
  "'Thomas Borcich'" <tborcich at msn.com<mailto:tborcich at msn.com>>
  Cc: <detomaso at realbig.com<mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>>
  Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 11:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nylocs in the oil pan???

  > Woooooooooooooooooot?
  >  Lock-wire the oil pan...don't forget the valve covers ;-]>
  >  Okay, I'll see you guys at Silver State in May or September.
  >
  >  The Professional
  >
  >
  >
  > "B. Seib" <oldwheel at mts.net<mailto:oldwheel at mts.net>> wrote:
  >  Mike
  > I agree with you and your builder. I have one of these Armando pans now
  > too,
  > and I think a worry free, professional way to do this is with drilled &
  > lock-wired nuts. That's what I'm doing anyway. If you can't afford to
have
  > the nuts loose in the bottom of the engine, I wouldn't trust the nylocks
  > either. In addition, I noticed that on my pan, there is little if any
  > thread
  > left sticking out of the nylocks as supplied, so in a turn or two of
  > loosening, the nylock isn't even affecting things any more. Maybe I'm
just
  > paranoid.
  >
  > Barry
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com>
  > [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of Mike Thomas
  > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 8:25 PM
  > To: 'Thomas Borcich'
  > Cc: detomaso at realbig.com<mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>
  > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nylocs in the oil pan???
  >
  >
  > Tom
  >
  > I am having a motor built by one of the most highly regarded Ford
builders
  > in our area who didn't think much of the use of the Nylocs in the pan.
  > This
  > is a guy who has been building exclusively Ford performance engines for
  > many
  > years. He said that in most cases, it probably wouldn't be an issue, but
  > one good hot track session, or a day that your cooling system lets you
  > down,
  > and they could soften enough to either come loose or melt into the oil
and
  > spread the melted nylon through the oiling system. Now, that said, and
in
  > retrospect to numerous chop-bustings I've gotten from the forum, I may
  > have
  > spoken too quickly. The caution was from one who has been involved with
  > Ford motors for many years, and was mentioned as a "you might wanna"
  > rather
  > than a flat direction to change. Beyond that, your call.
  >
  > Sorry for any confusion or concern.
  >
  > Mike Thomas
  > Panteras Northwest
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Thomas Borcich [mailto:tborcich at msn.com]
  > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:18 AM
  > To: mbefthomas at comcast.net<mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net>
  > Subject: Nylocs in the oil pan???
  >
  >
  > I noticed your post to Garth on the nylocs in the oil pan...are you
saying
  > this is a bad idea for holding the windage tray? I just got one (as did
  > about 20 other Pantera owners) of the identical pans and picked it up at
  > Armando's shop...he and his wife run the shop and would be open to any
  > questions.
  >
  >
  > Best regards,
  >
  > Tom Borcich
  > #4382
  >
  >
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