Need to chime in on this subject.... I have a feeling that most of the Pantera's out there have absolutely no need for an oil cooler. I live in New Mexico and it gets hot. Just ran the Pantera yesterday in 95+ degree weather. My car has a 10 quart baffled oil pan and I run 10W40 oil (non-synthetic). I use a Pantera Performance's two pass radiator (Ron Davis design). I RARELY ever see 200 degrees on my oil temperatures. The only time I ever see temperatures that high is when I get into slow moving traffic (city driving). Running at highway speeds yesterday my water temperature was 170 degrees and the oil temperature at about 180-185 degrees. That is on a 95 degree day. I have two cooling fans for the radiator that are both manually controlled and at highway speeds they are always turned OFF. The only time I use a fan (I control each fan with a separate switch) is in stop and go traffic. It is quite rare that I run both fans at the same time. I drive the car hard and can only recall a handful of times that the oil temperature reached 200 or higher (NEVER at highway speeds or faster). I would highly recommend a 10 quart oil pan for those wanting to keep the oil cool and a nicely designed radiator doesn't hurt either. Hope this info helps! Jim Need to chime in on this subject.... I have a feeling that most of the Pantera's out there have absolutely no need for an oil cooler. I live in New Mexico and it gets hot. Just ran the Pantera yesterday in 95+ degree weather. My car has a 10 quart baffled oil pan and I run 10W40 oil (non-synthetic). I use a Pantera Performance's two pass radiator (Ron Davis design). I RARELY ever see 200 degrees on my oil temperatures. The only time I ever see temperatures that high is when I get into slow moving traffic (city driving). Running at highway speeds yesterday my water temperature was 170 degrees and the oil temperature at about 180-185 degrees. That is on a 95 degree day. I have two cooling fans for the radiator that are both manually controlled and at highway speeds they are always turned OFF. The only time I use a fan (I control each fan with a separate switch) is in stop and go traffic. It is quite rare that I run both fans at the same time. I drive the car hard and can only recall a handful of times that the oil temperature reached 200 or higher (NEVER at highway speeds or faster). I would highly recommend a 10 quart oil pan for those wanting to keep the oil cool and a nicely designed radiator doesn't hurt either. Hope this info helps! Jim
For what its worth, I ran a 10-qt Armondo pan when I was seeing the 230 on mine at sustained 130 mph at SSCC. But I would agree most all street driven Panteras shouldn't need one. Asa Jay (Note, I am not an expert) Quoting wawuzat via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>:
Need to chime in on this subject....
I have a feeling that most of the Pantera's out there have absolutely no need for an oil cooler. I live in New Mexico and it gets hot. Just ran the Pantera yesterday in 95+ degree weather. My car has a 10 quart baffled oil pan and I run 10W40 oil (non-synthetic).
I use a Pantera Performance's two pass radiator (Ron Davis design). I RARELY ever see 200 degrees on my oil temperatures. The only time I ever see temperatures that high is when I get into slow moving traffic (city driving). Running at highway speeds yesterday my water temperature was 170 degrees and the oil temperature at about 180-185 degrees. That is on a 95 degree day.
I have two cooling fans for the radiator that are both manually controlled and at highway speeds they are always turned OFF. The only time I use a fan (I control each fan with a separate switch) is in stop and go traffic. It is quite rare that I run both fans at the same time.
I drive the car hard and can only recall a handful of times that the oil temperature reached 200 or higher (NEVER at highway speeds or faster). I would highly recommend a 10 quart oil pan for those wanting to keep the oil cool and a nicely designed radiator doesn't hurt either.
Hope this info helps!
Jim
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I agree with Jim based on observation of the factory oil temp gauge in my GT5-S. Oil cooling should not be necessary for "normal" use. What I've seen is that in real life (racing would be something else) is that oil temp is directly related to sustained rpms. Anything below 4000rpm and my oil temp is roughly 200F. Increasing cruising rpm directly affects oil temp - at roughly 4200rpm the oil temp rises to about 240, and 4500 rpm is starts to get uncomfortably high - 275 or more. As a result the oil temp was what defined my sustained cruising speed. Back before two significant events occurred - Europe got serious about speed limits and I got married, both of which affected my typical cruising speed in the Pantera - I investigated options. The conclusions I got out of reading articles, asking questions on the Forum, and speaking to others: 1) Air to oil can work well, but in a Pantera it is difficult to locate the radiator where it will get appropriate airflow. Hall's solution of installing it in the rear wheel well was thought to be wishful thinking. Installing a radiator up front would cool well but Jack DeRyke warns about the danger of long oil lines and effect on oil pressure 2) In a Pantera, many people felt that oil to water was the best solution. Several people mounted a Ford unit - benefits include warming up the oil a little quicker and the fact that installation is easier in a Pantera. This is probably the path I would have pursued had I decided to get serious about limiting oil temp. Current speed enforcement norms have more or less eliminated that need... -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of wawuzat via DeTomaso Sent: domingo, 12 de junio de 2016 18:07 To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Temperatures Need to chime in on this subject.... I have a feeling that most of the Pantera's out there have absolutely no need for an oil cooler. I live in New Mexico and it gets hot. Just ran the Pantera yesterday in 95+ degree weather. My car has a 10 quart baffled oil pan and I run 10W40 oil (non-synthetic). I use a Pantera Performance's two pass radiator (Ron Davis design). I RARELY ever see 200 degrees on my oil temperatures. The only time I ever see temperatures that high is when I get into slow moving traffic (city driving). Running at highway speeds yesterday my water temperature was 170 degrees and the oil temperature at about 180-185 degrees. That is on a 95 degree day. I have two cooling fans for the radiator that are both manually controlled and at highway speeds they are always turned OFF. The only time I use a fan (I control each fan with a separate switch) is in stop and go traffic. It is quite rare that I run both fans at the same time. I drive the car hard and can only recall a handful of times that the oil temperature reached 200 or higher (NEVER at highway speeds or faster). I would highly recommend a 10 quart oil pan for those wanting to keep the oil cool and a nicely designed radiator doesn't hurt either. Hope this info helps! Jim
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