Clearly I don't know what happened here but is some part of this over the perception that "Southern Pride" is a racist term? On Thursday, July 21, 2016, Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net> wrote:

The sad thing is that we are not against most of what Michael is trying to do. It is just his method of treating people that has caused the uproar. It would be great if there were some way to get him to calm down and discuss things in a civil manner.

Forest __________________________________________________________________

From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com <javascript:;>> To: detomaso@detomasolist.com <javascript:;> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 7:29 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA Hmm, a palace coup perhaps? __________________________________________________________________ From: [1][1]SCPOCA@yahoogroups.com <javascript:;> To: [2][2]SCPOCA@yahoogroups.com <javascript:;> Sent: 7/20/2016 8:51:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time Subj: Re: [SCPOCA] East Coast rally news and more/less fun news A A I can not start a new thread as I am not authorized on your email list to do so, whomever gets this please share. A lot of developments today from the likes of Larry Finch, Gil Mares and the defection of Joe Stockett, Ed Mendez and John Buckman away from Laurie Basile, Mike Burnett and I. Thus, The 2016 POCA East Coast Rally is now simply the 2016 East Coast Rally, I will be sponsoring it myself in the same manner that I did the two Summer Summit Events in 2011 and 2012 Nothing will change except now you'll need to register and pay directly here. Same plan, same everything, just no direct POCA Involvement. I hope that those of you who were thinking of coming will still do so. Bill Lewis joined us before and had a blast. Gil Mares and again Larry Finch have raised enough hell over Southern Pride Panteras, why they care is a mystery to me, but then again , why does Larry Finch do anything except complain/moan and contribute nothing? Today's lamblast and I kid you not - was the appropriateness of the name Southern Pride. I guess they had some Confederate Battle Flag image in their twisted little minds, A It meant a Group of Big Cats. ( education is important ) Now we all know that a group of Lions is called a Pride. We also know that Pantera means Panther in Italian. Many of you know that Panthers ( like Tigers and Leopards ) are solitary creatures and do not get together in groups, thus there is no name for a group pf them. for a group of Panteras. Panthers only find another Pantera when in heat to screw them. Funny thing happened in May, I went to the so called Fun Rally in Las Vegas ( in the heat ) around a bunch of Panteras, Same exact thing happened to me!A So rather than continue to fight these people 24/7 ( and I'm not kidding, it happened all night long A ), I have moved all 23 of my soon to be official Southern Pride Pantera members to unaffiliated status and deleted any reference to the chapter across all of POCA.com Now since there is no Chapter to do the work, the HHI Concours display with Tom Tjaarda isA unlikely, so I have let Tom know that we (POCA) will not be bringing him here A for the HHI Concours. So to recap the days events East Coast Rally is still going on as a private party. ( please join me) Southern Pride Chapter is kaput Tom Tjaarda coming to HHI Concours is kaput Me doing the August Newsletter is kaput ( it was something, happy to share the cover art with you since I can not attach it ) Me doing all of the technical layout for Laurie Basile for Profiles is kaput John Buckman, Joe Stockett and Ed Mendez have joined Larry Finch and Gil Mares ( the same guy who quit the fun rally job 3 months before the event after spending $1,200 of POCA Money visiting Las Vegas to approve The Plaza venue as the best possible hotel with Bob Reid ). This leaves Laurie Basile, Mike Burnett and I as the last of the people who wanted to make POCA a better club and returns the majority back to the non progressive side of those who do nothing but know everything, and are offended by words like "Pride" and specifically "Southern Pride" I have no idea what the future holds except a return to the POCA that was 100 members smaller and pretty much unchanged for 20 years. I've always liked TX and the independence of your Chapter, esp Bill and Marilyn, Terry, Kirby and others ( don't hate me for not putting your name) Gosh knows there are so many other reasons. You can thank the good folks in California , namely Larry Finch, Gil Mares, Ed Mendez, John Buckman and Joe Stockett. I just wanted you folks to know first, because there were about 6 of you that wanted to come to Savannah, the party is still going to happen. I'm still Prez and we shall see what happens next. Michael References 1. mailto:[3]SCPOCA@yahoogroups.com <javascript:;> 2. mailto:[4]SCPOCA@yahoogroups.com <javascript:;> _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;> [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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Clearly I don't know what happened here but is some part of this over the perception that "Southern Pride" is a racist term? On Thursday, July 21, 2016, Forest Goodhart <[1]forestg@att.net> wrote: A A The sad thing is that we are not against most of what Michael is trying A A to do. It is just his method of treating people that has caused the A A uproar. A A It would be great if there were some way to get him to calm down and A A discuss things in a civil manner. A A Forest A A A __________________________________________________________________ A A From: Jeff Detrich <[2]jjdetrich@gmail.com> A A To: [3]detomaso@detomasolist.com A A Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 7:29 PM A A Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA A A A Hmm, a palace coup perhaps? A A A A __________________________________________________________________ A A A From: [1][1][4]SCPOCA@yahoogroups.com A A A To: [2][2][5]SCPOCA@yahoogroups.com A A A Sent: 7/20/2016 8:51:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time A A A Subj: Re: [SCPOCA] East Coast rally news and more/less fun news A A A A A A A A A A A I can not start a new thread as I am not authorized on your email A A list A A A to do so, whomever gets this please share. A A A A lot of developments today from the likes of Larry Finch, Gil Mares A A A and the defection of Joe Stockett, Ed Mendez and John Buckman away A A from A A A Laurie Basile, Mike Burnett and I. A A A Thus, A A A The 2016 POCA East Coast Rally is now simply the 2016 East Coast A A Rally, A A A I will be sponsoring it myself in the same manner that I did the two A A A Summer Summit Events in 2011 and 2012 A A A Nothing will change except now you'll need to register and pay A A directly A A A here. A A A Same plan, same everything, just no direct POCA Involvement. A A A I hope that those of you who were thinking of coming will still do A A so. A A A Bill Lewis joined us before and had a blast. A A A Gil Mares and again Larry Finch have raised enough hell over Southern A A A Pride Panteras, A A A why they care is a mystery to me, but then again , why does Larry A A Finch A A A do anything except complain/moan and contribute nothing? A A A Today's lamblast and I kid you not - was the appropriateness of the A A A name Southern Pride. A A A I guess they had some Confederate Battle Flag image in their twisted A A A little minds, A A A A A A A It meant a Group of Big Cats. ( education is important ) A A A Now we all know that a group of Lions is called a Pride. A A A We also know that Pantera means Panther in Italian. A A A Many of you know that Panthers ( like Tigers and Leopards ) are A A A solitary creatures and do not get together in groups, thus there is A A no A A A name for a group pf them. A A A for a group of Panteras. A A A Panthers only find another Pantera when in heat to screw them. A A A Funny thing happened in May, I went to the so called Fun Rally in Las A A A Vegas ( in the heat ) around a bunch of Panteras, A A A Same exact thing happened to me!A A A A So rather than continue to fight these people 24/7 ( and I'm not A A A kidding, it happened all night long A A A A ), I have moved all 23 of my soon to be official Southern Pride A A A Pantera members A A A to unaffiliated status and deleted any reference to the chapter A A across A A A all of POCA.com A A A Now since there is no Chapter to do the work, the HHI Concours A A display A A A with Tom Tjaarda isA A A A unlikely, so I have let Tom know that we (POCA) will not be bringing A A A him here A for the HHI Concours. A A A So to recap the days events A A A East Coast Rally is still going on as a private party. ( please join A A A me) A A A Southern Pride Chapter is kaput A A A Tom Tjaarda coming to HHI Concours is kaput A A A Me doing the August Newsletter is kaput ( it was something, happy to A A A share the cover art with you since I can not attach it ) A A A Me doing all of the technical layout for Laurie Basile for Profiles A A is A A A kaput A A A John Buckman, Joe Stockett and Ed Mendez have joined Larry Finch and A A A Gil Mares ( the same guy who quit the fun rally job 3 months before A A the A A A event after A A A spending $1,200 of POCA Money visiting Las Vegas to approve The Plaza A A A venue as the best possible hotel with Bob Reid ). A A A This leaves Laurie Basile, Mike Burnett and I as the last of the A A people A A A who wanted to make POCA a better club and returns the majority back A A to A A A the A A A non progressive side of those who do nothing but know everything, and A A A are offended by words like "Pride" and specifically "Southern Pride" A A A I have no idea what the future holds except a return to the POCA that A A A was 100 members smaller and pretty much unchanged for 20 years. A A A I've always liked TX and the independence of your Chapter, esp Bill A A and A A A Marilyn, Terry, Kirby and others ( don't hate me for not putting your A A A name) A A A Gosh knows there are so many other reasons. A A A You can thank the good folks in California , namely Larry Finch, Gil A A A Mares, Ed Mendez, John Buckman and Joe Stockett. A A A I just wanted you folks to know first, because there were about 6 of A A A you that wanted to come to Savannah, the party is still going to A A A happen. A A A I'm still Prez and we shall see what happens next. A A A Michael A A References A A A 1. mailto:[3][6]SCPOCA@yahoogroups.com A A A 2. mailto:[4][7]SCPOCA@yahoogroups.com A A _______________________________________________ A A Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA A A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes A A DeTomaso mailing list A A [5][8]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A [6][9]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso A A To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) A A use the links above. A A Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any A A message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the A A list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive A A or approve the archiving of list messages. 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There is - don't renew. Sooner or later someone will help him understand that he can't get away with viscous and obnoxious behavior. I find that every forum seems to have one or two folks who are very knowledgeable (or at least who are pretty sure they know everything). But, they get it into their heads that anyone that doesn't see the world exactly as they do - well, they are wrong, and deserve to be told about it. And derided if they don't change. And ridiculed if they still don't get it. Hey - we love these cars, we don't have to all take them to tracks, or put really really wide tires on them. THANK GOD FOR THIS FORUM! I will be on it even if I am not a POCA member. Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Forest Goodhart Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 9:51 PM To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com>; detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA The sad thing is that we are not against most of what Michael is trying to do. It is just his method of treating people that has caused the uproar.It would be great if there were some way to get him to calm down and discuss things in a civil manner. Forest From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com> To: detomaso@detomasolist.com Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 7:29 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA Hmm, a palace coup perhaps? __________________________________________________________________ From: [1]SCPOCA@yahoogroups.com To: [2]SCPOCA@yahoogroups.com Sent: 7/20/2016 8:51:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time Subj: Re: [SCPOCA] East Coast rally news and more/less fun news A A I can not start a new thread as I am not authorized on your email list to do so, whomever gets this please share. A lot of developments today from the likes of Larry Finch, Gil Mares and the defection of Joe Stockett, Ed Mendez and John Buckman away from Laurie Basile, Mike Burnett and I. Thus, The 2016 POCA East Coast Rally is now simply the 2016 East Coast Rally, I will be sponsoring it myself in the same manner that I did the two Summer Summit Events in 2011 and 2012 Nothing will change except now you'll need to register and pay directly here. Same plan, same everything, just no direct POCA Involvement. I hope that those of you who were thinking of coming will still do so. Bill Lewis joined us before and had a blast. Gil Mares and again Larry Finch have raised enough hell over Southern Pride Panteras, why they care is a mystery to me, but then again , why does Larry Finch do anything except complain/moan and contribute nothing? Today's lamblast and I kid you not - was the appropriateness of the name Southern Pride. I guess they had some Confederate Battle Flag image in their twisted little minds, A It meant a Group of Big Cats. ( education is important ) Now we all know that a group of Lions is called a Pride. We also know that Pantera means Panther in Italian. Many of you know that Panthers ( like Tigers and Leopards ) are solitary creatures and do not get together in groups, thus there is no name for a group pf them. for a group of Panteras. Panthers only find another Pantera when in heat to screw them. Funny thing happened in May, I went to the so called Fun Rally in Las Vegas ( in the heat ) around a bunch of Panteras, Same exact thing happened to me!A So rather than continue to fight these people 24/7 ( and I'm not kidding, it happened all night long A ), I have moved all 23 of my soon to be official Southern Pride Pantera members to unaffiliated status and deleted any reference to the chapter across all of POCA.com Now since there is no Chapter to do the work, the HHI Concours display with Tom Tjaarda isA unlikely, so I have let Tom know that we (POCA) will not be bringing him here A for the HHI Concours. So to recap the days events East Coast Rally is still going on as a private party. ( please join me) Southern Pride Chapter is kaput Tom Tjaarda coming to HHI Concours is kaput Me doing the August Newsletter is kaput ( it was something, happy to share the cover art with you since I can not attach it ) Me doing all of the technical layout for Laurie Basile for Profiles is kaput John Buckman, Joe Stockett and Ed Mendez have joined Larry Finch and Gil Mares ( the same guy who quit the fun rally job 3 months before the event after spending $1,200 of POCA Money visiting Las Vegas to approve The Plaza venue as the best possible hotel with Bob Reid ). This leaves Laurie Basile, Mike Burnett and I as the last of the people who wanted to make POCA a better club and returns the majority back to the non progressive side of those who do nothing but know everything, and are offended by words like "Pride" and specifically "Southern Pride" I have no idea what the future holds except a return to the POCA that was 100 members smaller and pretty much unchanged for 20 years. I've always liked TX and the independence of your Chapter, esp Bill and Marilyn, Terry, Kirby and others ( don't hate me for not putting your name) Gosh knows there are so many other reasons. You can thank the good folks in California , namely Larry Finch, Gil Mares, Ed Mendez, John Buckman and Joe Stockett. I just wanted you folks to know first, because there were about 6 of you that wanted to come to Savannah, the party is still going to happen. I'm still Prez and we shall see what happens next. Michael References 1. mailto:SCPOCA@yahoogroups.com 2. mailto:SCPOCA@yahoogroups.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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Don't waste the money. Like the idiom says, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink." Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 21, 2016, at 8:58 AM, Mike Thomas <mbefthomas@comcast.net> wrote:

Yet he seems completely incapable of recognizing that, and even though the vast majority of the BOD had walked out on him, it's still somebody else's fault.

Could somebody please buy Michael Shortt a clue . . .

-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Forest Goodhart Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 9:51 PM To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com>; detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA

The sad thing is that we are not against most of what Michael is trying to do. It is just his method of treating people that has caused the uproar.It would be great if there were some way to get him to calm down and discuss things in a civil manner. Forest

From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com> To: detomaso@detomasolist.com Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 7:29 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA

Hmm, a palace coup perhaps? __________________________________________________________________

From: [1]SCPOCA@yahoogroups.com To: [2]SCPOCA@yahoogroups.com Sent: 7/20/2016 8:51:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time Subj: Re: [SCPOCA] East Coast rally news and more/less fun news A A

I can not start a new thread as I am not authorized on your email list to do so, whomever gets this please share. A lot of developments today from the likes of Larry Finch, Gil Mares and the defection of Joe Stockett, Ed Mendez and John Buckman away from Laurie Basile, Mike Burnett and I. Thus, The 2016 POCA East Coast Rally is now simply the 2016 East Coast Rally, I will be sponsoring it myself in the same manner that I did the two Summer Summit Events in 2011 and 2012 Nothing will change except now you'll need to register and pay directly here. Same plan, same everything, just no direct POCA Involvement. I hope that those of you who were thinking of coming will still do so.