Well if you only send it to the people you know will provide a favorable response then the statistic become very useful as a mandate to continue ;-) ________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Thomas <mbefthomas@comcast.net> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 9:41 AM To: 'Forest Goodhart'; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address Odd, seems I was not either. Michael? Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest Yellow ’74 #6328 -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Forest Goodhart Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 4:46 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address OK, I've now gotten several copies of the state address. No need to send me any more. Just wonder why I was not on the distribution list from POCA. Forest _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above.

Excellent point Sean. Please keep things in prospective and remember many services potentially crawl the list and archives so anything you write, any person you disparage, etc. are potentially saved for the world to see and google. I'm CERTAIN the POCA BOD is doing what it thinks is best for the club. There are many valid changes they're trying to institute. You or I may agree or disagree with the changes and approach but PLEASE don't write something naming specific people that you wouldn't want written about yourself. It's just a car club. Kurt On 5/22/2016 1:15 PM, Sean Korb wrote:

Just a reminder, the email archives are public.A A I learned 30 years ago that local politics were not my thing except to occasionally hold my nose and vote, plus a little well placed snark :)A A I adore this list though so I'm not exactly pulling out a bucket of popcorn to watch.A Be sure not to be exclusive.A That is the real strength of this community. sean

On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote:

Well if you only send it to the people you know will provide a favorable response then the statistic become very useful as a mandate to continue ;-) ________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Thomas <[3]mbefthomas@comcast.net> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 9:41 AM To: 'Forest Goodhart'; [4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address

Odd, seems I was not either.A Michael? Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest Yellow a74 #6328 -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Forest Goodhart Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 4:46 PM To: [6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address OK, I've now gotten several copies of the state address. No need to send me any more. Just wonder why I was not on the distribution list from POCA. Forest _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [7]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [9]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [10]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above.

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Excellent point Sean. Please keep things in prospective and remember many services potentially crawl the list and archives so anything you write, any person you disparage, etc. are potentially saved for the world to see and google. I'm CERTAIN the POCA BOD is doing what it thinks is best for the club. There are many valid changes they're trying to institute. You or I may agree or disagree with the changes and approach but PLEASE don't write something naming specific people that you wouldn't want written about yourself. It's just a car club. Kurt On 5/22/2016 1:15 PM, Sean Korb wrote: Just a reminder, the email archives are public.A A I learned 30 years ago that local politics were not my thing except to occasionally hold my nose and vote, plus a little well placed snark :)A A I adore this list though so I'm not exactly pulling out a bucket of popcorn to watch.A Be sure not to be exclusive.A That is the real strength of this community. sean On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Julian Kift [1]<[1]julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote: Well if you only send it to the people you know will provide a favorable response then the statistic become very useful as a mandate to continue ;-) ________________________________________ From: DeTomaso [2]<[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Thomas [3]<[3]mbefthomas@comcast.net> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 9:41 AM To: 'Forest Goodhart'; [[4]4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address Odd, seems I was not either.A Michael? Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest Yellow a74 #6328 -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[[5]5]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Forest Goodhart Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 4:46 PM To: [[6]6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address OK, I've now gotten several copies of the state address. No need to send me any more. Just wonder why I was not on the distribution list from POCA. Forest _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [[7]7]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [8][8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [[9]9]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [10][10]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. -- Sean Korb [[11]11]spkorb@spkorb.org [12][12]http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless.A They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso References 1. [13]mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com 2. [14]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 3. [15]mailto:mbefthomas@comcast.net 4. [16]mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. [17]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 6. [18]mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 7. [19]mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 8. [20]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 9. [21]mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 10. [22]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 11. [23]mailto:spkorb@spkorb.org 12. [24]http://www.spkorb.org/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [25]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [26]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the li nks above. References 1. mailto:[1]julian_kift@hotmail.com 2. mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:[3]mbefthomas@comcast.net 4. mailto:4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. mailto:5]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 6. mailto:6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 7. mailto:7]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 9. mailto:9]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 10. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 11. mailto:11]spkorb@spkorb.org 12. http://www.spkorb.org/ 13. mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com 14. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 15. mailto:mbefthomas@comcast.net 16. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 17. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 18. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 19. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 20. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 21. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 22. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 23. mailto:spkorb@spkorb.org 24. http://www.spkorb.org/ 25. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 26. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso

Good point.  Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) From: Rob Dumoulin <rob@dumoulins.net> To: Kurt Byrnes <kdb@kbyrnes.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address   All,A  with Kurt's comments summing up the state of affairs nicely, can   we all just please make these discussions be about the cars and   light-hearted humor.A  Leave the politics and attacks for direct   private emails and let's move on. Possibly the best outcome here is a   show of civility. That itself would speak volumes and serve in all our   interests.............or, you could just tell me to piss off :)   Rob   On May 22, 2016 1:32 PM, "Kurt Byrnes" <[1]kdb@kbyrnes.com> wrote:     A  A Excellent point Sean.A  Please keep things in prospective and     remember     A  A many services potentially crawl the list and archives so     anything you     A  A write, any person you disparage, etc. are potentially saved for     the     A  A world to see and google.     A  A I'm CERTAIN the POCA BOD is doing what it thinks is best for     the club.     A  A There are many valid changes they're trying to institute.A  You     or I may     A  A agree or disagree with the changes and approach but PLEASE     don't write     A  A something naming specific people that you wouldn't want written     about     A  A yourself.A  It's just a car club.     A  A Kurt     A  A On 5/22/2016 1:15 PM, Sean Korb wrote:     A  A Just a reminder, the email archives are public.A AA  I learned     30 years     A  A ago that local politics were not my thing except to     occasionally hold     A  A my nose and vote, plus a little well placed snark :)A AA  I     adore this     A  A list though so I'm not exactly pulling out a bucket of popcorn     to     A  A watch.AA  Be sure not to be exclusive.AA  That is the real     strength of     A  A this community.     A  A sean     A  A On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Julian Kift     A  A [1]<[1][2]julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote:     A  A  A Well if you only send it to the people you know will provide     a     A  A  A favorable response then the statistic become very useful as     a     A  A  A mandate to continue ;-)     A  A  A ________________________________________     A  A  A From: DeTomaso     [2]<[2][3]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on     A  A  A behalf of Mike Thomas [3]<[3][4]mbefthomas@comcast.net>     A  A  A Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 9:41 AM     A  A  A To: 'Forest Goodhart';     [[4]4][5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com     A  A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address     A  A Odd, seems I was not either.AA  Michael?     A  A Mike Thomas     A  A Pres., Panteras Northwest     A  A Yellow a74 #6328     A  A -----Original Message-----     A  A From: DeTomaso     [mailto:[[5]5][6]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On     A  A Behalf Of Forest Goodhart     A  A Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 4:46 PM     A  A To: [[6]6][7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com     A  A Subject: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address     A  A OK, I've now gotten several copies of the state address. No     need to     A  A send me any more. Just wonder why I was not on the distribution     list     A  A from POCA. Forest     A  A _______________________________________________     A  A Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA     A  A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes     A  A DeTomaso mailing list     A  A [[7]7][8]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com     A     A [8][8][9]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso     A  A To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,     etc.)     A  A use the links above.     A  A _______________________________________________     A  A Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA     A  A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes     A  A DeTomaso mailing list     A  A [[9]9][10]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com     A     A [10][10][11]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detoma     so     A  A To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,     etc.)     A  A use the links above.     A  A --     A  A Sean Korb [[11]11][12]spkorb@spkorb.org     [12][12][13]http://www.spkorb.org     A  A '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71     Pantera     A  A #1382     A  A "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller     A  A "Computers are useless.AA  They can only give you answers." -P.     Picasso     References     A  A 1. [13]mailto:[14]julian_kift@hotmail.com     A  A 2. [14]mailto:[15]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com     A  A 3. [15]mailto:[16]mbefthomas@comcast.net     A  A 4. [16]mailto:[17]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com     A  A 5. [17]mailto:[18]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com     A  A 6. [18]mailto:[19]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com     A  A 7. [19]mailto:[20]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com     A  A 8.     [20][21]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso     A  A 9. [21]mailto:[22]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com     A  10.     [22][23]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso     A  11. [23]mailto:[24]spkorb@spkorb.org     A  12. [24][25]http://www.spkorb.org/     _______________________________________________     Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA     Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes     DeTomaso mailing list     [25][26]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com     [26][27]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso     To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,     etc.) use the li     nks above.     References     A  A 1. mailto:[1][28]julian_kift@hotmail.com     A  A 2. mailto:[2][29]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com     A  A 3. mailto:[3][30]mbefthomas@comcast.net     A  A 4. mailto:[31]4][32]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com     A  A 5. mailto:[33]5][34]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com     A  A 6. mailto:[35]6][36]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com     A  A 7. mailto:[37]7][38]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com     A  A 8. [39]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso     A  A 9. mailto:[40]9][41]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com     A  10. [42]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso     A  11. mailto:[43]11][44]spkorb@spkorb.org     A  12. [45]http://www.spkorb.org/     A  13. mailto:[46]julian_kift@hotmail.com     A  14. mailto:[47]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com     A  15. mailto:[48]mbefthomas@comcast.net     A  16. mailto:[49]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com     A  17. mailto:[50]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com     A  18. mailto:[51]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com     A  19. mailto:[52]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com     A  20. [53]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso     A  21. mailto:[54]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com     A  22. [55]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso     A  23. mailto:[56]spkorb@spkorb.org     A  24. [57]http://www.spkorb.org/     A  25. mailto:[58]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com     A  26. [59]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso     _______________________________________________     Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA     Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes     DeTomaso mailing list     [60]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com     [61]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso     To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,     etc.) use the links above. References   1. mailto:kdb@kbyrnes.com   2. mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com   3. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com   4. mailto:mbefthomas@comcast.net   5. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com   6. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com   7. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com   8. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com   9. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso   10. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com   11. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso   12. mailto:spkorb@spkorb.org   13. http://www.spkorb.org/   14. mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com   15. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com   16. mailto:mbefthomas@comcast.net   17. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com   18. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com   19. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com   20. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com   21. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso   22. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com   23. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso   24. mailto:spkorb@spkorb.org   25. http://www.spkorb.org/   26. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com   27. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso   28. mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com   29. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com   30. mailto:mbefthomas@comcast.net   31. mailto:4   32. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com   33. mailto:5   34. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com   35. mailto:6   36. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com   37. mailto:7   38. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com   39. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso   40. mailto:9   41. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com   42. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso   43. mailto:11   44. mailto:spkorb@spkorb.org   45. http://www.spkorb.org/   46. mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com   47. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com   48. mailto:mbefthomas@comcast.net   49. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com   50. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com   51. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com   52. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com   53. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso   54. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com   55. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso   56. mailto:spkorb@spkorb.org   57. http://www.spkorb.org/   58. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com   59. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso   60. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com   61. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Good point. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) __________________________________________________________________ From: Rob Dumoulin <rob@dumoulins.net> To: Kurt Byrnes <kdb@kbyrnes.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address All,A with Kurt's comments summing up the state of affairs nicely, can we all just please make these discussions be about the cars and light-hearted humor.A Leave the politics and attacks for direct private emails and let's move on. Possibly the best outcome here is a show of civility. That itself would speak volumes and serve in all our interests.............or, you could just tell me to piss off :) Rob On May 22, 2016 1:32 PM, "Kurt Byrnes" <[1][1]kdb@kbyrnes.com> wrote: A A Excellent point Sean.A Please keep things in prospective and remember A A many services potentially crawl the list and archives so anything you A A write, any person you disparage, etc. are potentially saved for the A A world to see and google. A A I'm CERTAIN the POCA BOD is doing what it thinks is best for the club. A A There are many valid changes they're trying to institute.A You or I may A A agree or disagree with the changes and approach but PLEASE don't write A A something naming specific people that you wouldn't want written about A A yourself.A It's just a car club. A A Kurt A A On 5/22/2016 1:15 PM, Sean Korb wrote: A A Just a reminder, the email archives are public.A AA I learned 30 years A A ago that local politics were not my thing except to occasionally hold A A my nose and vote, plus a little well placed snark :)A AA I adore this A A list though so I'm not exactly pulling out a bucket of popcorn to A A watch.AA Be sure not to be exclusive.AA That is the real strength of A A this community. A A sean A A On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Julian Kift A A [1]<[1][2][2]julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote: A A A Well if you only send it to the people you know will provide a A A A favorable response then the statistic become very useful as a A A A mandate to continue ;-) A A A ________________________________________ A A A From: DeTomaso [2]<[2][3][3]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on A A A behalf of Mike Thomas [3]<[3][4][4]mbefthomas@comcast.net> A A A Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 9:41 AM A A A To: 'Forest Goodhart'; [[4]4][5][5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address A A Odd, seems I was not either.AA Michael? A A Mike Thomas A A Pres., Panteras Northwest A A Yellow a74 #6328 A A -----Original Message----- A A From: DeTomaso [mailto:[[5]5][6][6]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On A A Behalf Of Forest Goodhart A A Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 4:46 PM A A To: [[6]6][7][7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A Subject: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address A A OK, I've now gotten several copies of the state address. No need to A A send me any more. Just wonder why I was not on the distribution list A A from POCA. Forest A A _______________________________________________ A A Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA A A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes A A DeTomaso mailing list A A [[7]7][8][8]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A [8][8][9][9]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso A A To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) A A use the links above. 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Asa Jay , Are you aware that that on 5/18/16 Micheal Shortt , in response to a comment about the Detomaso Mailing list archives on the new POCA webste , stated that he was working on having them "purged" so that we (he) doesnt " look like a bunch of grumpy old men " ? Are you aware also that currently the archives have indeed been purged of any posts deemed by Micheal Shortt to make himself look bad including his racist comments about African Americans ?

Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 13:49:39 -0700 From: asajay@asajay.com To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address

Something that might be dug up in the archives... When a certain someone was granted access to the old POCA server as a newly board appointed administrator, one of the first things they tried to do was remove disparaging posts from the email forum that they had made regarding a Pantera Vendor. And I mean these were nasty posts. That person had since reconciled the issue and now wanted to remove the posts. They eventually contacted me and I essentially told them "once on the internet... always on the internet." And in reality, it's extremely difficult to remove a post from Mailman, especially when it's more than just a day or so old. I seem to recall another certain someone who also works with the aforementioned someone, who also asked for specific posts to be removed from the archives sometime prior to last year's POCA election. I might have that slightly wrong so don't hold me to it. I'd have to go back through my persona emails which now number just over 16,000. Yes, for those who have been counting (not that anybody has) that's down from nearly 20,000 a couple years ago. ;) I myself have made some not so flattering remarks in the past, and I'm sure you can find them in the archives. And you can also find where I've made amends when it was pointed out or I came to my senses on my own. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [1]http://w7tsc.org [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com

On 5/22/2016 10:31 AM, Kurt Byrnes wrote:

Excellent point Sean. Please keep things in prospective and remember many services potentially crawl the list and archives so anything you write, any person you disparage, etc. are potentially saved for the world to see and google. I'm CERTAIN the POCA BOD is doing what it thinks is best for the club. There are many valid changes they're trying to institute. You or I may agree or disagree with the changes and approach but PLEASE don't write something naming specific people that you wouldn't want written about yourself. It's just a car club. Kurt On 5/22/2016 1:15 PM, Sean Korb wrote:

Just a reminder, the email archives are public.A A I learned 30 years ago that local politics were not my thing except to occasionally hold my nose and vote, plus a little well placed snark :)A A I adore this list though so I'm not exactly pulling out a bucket of popcorn to watch.A Be sure not to be exclusive.A That is the real strength of this community. sean

On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Julian Kift [1][3]<[1]julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote:

Well if you only send it to the people you know will provide a favorable response then the statistic become very useful as a mandate to continue ;-) ________________________________________ From: DeTomaso [2][4]<[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Thomas [3][5]<[3]mbefthomas@comcast.net> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 9:41 AM To: 'Forest Goodhart'; [[[6]4]4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address

Odd, seems I was not either.A Michael? Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest Yellow a74 #6328 -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[[[7]5]5]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Forest Goodhart Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 4:46 PM To: [[[8]6]6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address OK, I've now gotten several copies of the state address. No need to send me any more. Just wonder why I was not on the distribution list from POCA. Forest _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [[[9]7]7]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [8][8][10]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [[[11]9]9]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [10][10][12]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above.

-- Sean Korb [[[13]11]11]spkorb@spkorb.org [12][12][14]http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless.A They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso

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Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 13:49:39 -0700 From: asajay@asajay.com To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address

Something that might be dug up in the archives... When a certain someone was granted access to the old POCA server as a newly board appointed administrator, one of the first things they

to do was remove disparaging posts from the email forum that they had made regarding a Pantera Vendor. And I mean these were nasty posts. That person had since reconciled the issue and now wanted to remove

Asa Jay , Are you aware that that on 5/18/16 Micheal Shortt , in response to a comment about the Detomaso Mailing list archives on the new POCA webste , stated that he was working on having them "purged" so that we (he) doesnt " look like a bunch of grumpy old men " ? Are you aware also that currently the archives have indeed been purged of any posts deemed by Micheal Shortt to make himself look bad including his racist comments about African Americans ? tried the

posts. They eventually contacted me and I essentially told them "once on the internet... always on the internet." And in reality, it's extremely difficult to remove a post from Mailman, especially when it's more than just a day or so old. I seem to recall another certain someone who also works with the aforementioned someone, who also asked for specific posts to be removed from the archives sometime prior to last year's POCA election. I might have that slightly wrong so don't hold me to it. I'd have to go back through my persona emails which now number just over 16,000. Yes, for those who have been counting (not that anybody has) that's down from nearly 20,000 a couple years ago. ;) I myself have made some not so flattering remarks in the past, and I'm sure you can find them in the archives. And you can also find where I've made amends when it was pointed out or I came to my senses on my own. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [1]http://w7tsc.org [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com

On 5/22/2016 10:31 AM, Kurt Byrnes wrote:

Excellent point Sean. Please keep things in prospective and remember many services potentially crawl the list and archives so anything you write, any person you disparage, etc. are potentially saved for the world to see and google. I'm CERTAIN the POCA BOD is doing what it thinks is best for the club. There are many valid changes they're trying to institute. You or I may agree or disagree with the changes and approach but PLEASE don't write something naming specific people that you wouldn't want written about yourself. It's just a car club. Kurt On 5/22/2016 1:15 PM, Sean Korb wrote:

Just a reminder, the email archives are public.A A I learned 30 years ago that local politics were not my thing except to occasionally hold my nose and vote, plus a little well placed snark :)A A I adore this list though so I'm not exactly pulling out a bucket of popcorn to watch.A Be sure not to be exclusive.A That is the real strength of this community. sean

On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Julian Kift [1][3]<[1]julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote:

Well if you only send it to the people you know will provide a favorable response then the statistic become very useful as a mandate to continue ;-) ________________________________________ From: DeTomaso [2][4]<[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Thomas [3][5]<[3]mbefthomas@comcast.net> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 9:41 AM To: 'Forest Goodhart'; [[[6]4]4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address

Odd, seems I was not either.A Michael? Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest Yellow a74 #6328 -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[[[7]5]5]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Forest Goodhart Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 4:46 PM To: [[[8]6]6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address OK, I've now gotten several copies of the state address. No need to send me any more. Just wonder why I was not on the distribution list from POCA. Forest _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [[[9]7]7]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [8][8][10]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [[[11]9]9]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [10][10][12]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above.

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I never received the POCA Survey. Guess MS is selective in who takes it. Mark On Sunday, May 22, 2016 7:32 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Guys, If it isn¹t still relevant, please drop it and move on.  I¹m specifically referring to the discussion about MS purging archived e-mail.  Basically, it doesn¹t matter anymore.  Okay to discuss in private, but not a good idea in public. If the survey is being used to make decisions about the direction of the club, it should be handled just like an election.  Include the survey in the newsletter, let the entire board compose the questions/responses, etc. Many of the questions are valid and important.  There are only 4 or 5 that are extremely biased. I forwarded the survey to this list, but it probable only works from my e-mail. I have attached it as a PDF, and here it is in text: 1. I fully support the direction the club is headed in under the new President and the progressive  BOD members.who support moving the club forward. Absolutely, the change was long over due, I can already see the difference. Not at all, please stop improving things and leave it alone. 2. Should those reluctant to change accept it or step aside? Yes No 3. Is it important to you that the club save money whenever possible? Yes No 4. The POCA monthly newsletter consumes 55% of the club's net revenue, I feel.. I like the printed newsletter that we have now, even if it costs $8000 more to get Black and White I like a printed newsletter and I would like a FULL COLOR printed newsletter and Profiles even more. Use the money for other projects, let's get with the 21st century, save trees and put the newsletter online already. What newsletter and What Profiles, I haven't received either one in years. 5. Do you feel the club should be Chapter Driven? Yes No 6. Do you support a $10 dues increase to retain a printed newsletter? Yes No 7. Do you feel that Rally events should be Chapter hosted and rotate? Yes No? 8. Have you visited the new website, if so, first impression? Have not seen it Loved it No better than the old website. Hated it 9. Do you feel positive change is possible within POCA? Yes No 10. In the email, the phrase "POCA Membership Experience" was used several times, how do you feel yours has been in the last 5 months? Awesome Getting better with each new update Remains the same as it always was I feel it is getting worse as a result of changes I'm ready to quit and I probably will not renew 11. Have you experienced an issue receiving a Profiles, newsletter or email? Yes No? 12. Have you paid your dues but you are still getting a late notice? Yes No 13. Have you expereinced issues in the past with a membership dues check taking a very long time to clear your bank? Yes No 14. How do you feel about tastefully placed ad or feature spaces in the Newsletter and Profiles I hate features and ads I like ads and features, they help keep me informed. I want to know which vendors to support and i'll buy from those who support my club 15. Did you realize there was chaos was going on behind the scenes? I had no idea I heard a little about it I knew and chose to ignore it It is ruining my membership experience, make it stop. 16. A survey like this one seems like an extreme measure, do you feelŠ It was inevitable, tension between long term members and newer members has been building for years newer members are the future of the club and should be the ones making decisions long term members built the club and should be able to do whatever that want I suspect the club will dwindle down to so few members that it will go defunct 17. In the final analysis, I feel this situation will be resolved because this survey will spell it out for everyone and appropriate actions will be taken those who are passionate about working for the club will just quit because of the turmoil the club will revert to what it was before, this was an experiment that failed those working for progressive change will eventually succeed 18. If the only way to stop a problem person is to remove them as a member, I feel That is never an acceptable option It's unfortunate it would have to go that far, but I would support it We have a lot of work to do and there is no room for troublemakers, glad to see them gone What are we waiting for ...NEXT. 19. Please post your comments here if you have anything of value to add to the conversation. I have nothing to contribute I have no idea where to begin Check Please! Other (please specify) 20. The State of the Club email which went out earlier mentioned 4 Regional Rallies called NEWS ( North, East, West and South) Do you like the idea of all POCA members having the same opportunity to enjoy a gathering like the 35 year old Fun Rally, but closer to home so more can participate? Yes, all members are entitled to the same membership experiences, let's drive and party on all four corners of the USA. Nope, The Fun Rally should be the only event, the club started in California, they need to come to us. 21. BONUS QUESTION:  2021 will be the 50th anniversary of the 1971 Pantera, a proposal not yet released would call for a Central USA Location (Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas) Giant DeTomaso Celebration, planning for an event such as this would take years.  It would last 4-5 days and include track days, racing, autocross, shows, banquets, entertainment, Rally drives and more, I thinkŠ. Great Idea, let's announce it and start a preliminary planning committee It's an OK idea, but I think it should be near my home instead I have no interest in this idea and I would never attend it anyway. Oh Look, something shiny......  ;-) Done On 5/22/16, 6:35 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of James coyne" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of tecnosound@hotmail.com> wrote:

  Asa Jay , Are you aware that that on 5/18/16 Micheal Shortt , in   response to a comment about the Detomaso Mailing list archives on the   new POCA webste , stated that he was working on having them "purged" so   that we (he) doesnt " look like a bunch of grumpy old men " ? Are you   aware also that currently the archives have indeed been purged of any   posts deemed by Micheal Shortt to make himself look bad including his   racist comments about African Americans ?   > Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 13:49:39 -0700   > From: asajay@asajay.com   > To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address   >   > Something that might be dug up in the archives...   > When a certain someone was granted access to the old POCA server as a   > newly board appointed administrator, one of the first things they   tried   > to do was remove disparaging posts from the email forum that they had   > made regarding a Pantera Vendor. And I mean these were nasty posts.   > That person had since reconciled the issue and now wanted to remove   the   > posts. They eventually contacted me and I essentially told them "once   > on the internet... always on the internet." And in reality, it's   > extremely difficult to remove a post from Mailman, especially when   it's   > more than just a day or so old.   > I seem to recall another certain someone who also works with the   > aforementioned someone, who also asked for specific posts to be   removed   > from the archives sometime prior to last year's POCA election. I   might   > have that slightly wrong so don't hold me to it. I'd have to go back   > through my persona emails which now number just over 16,000. Yes, for   > those who have been counting (not that anybody has) that's down from   > nearly 20,000 a couple years ago. ;)   > I myself have made some not so flattering remarks in the past, and   I'm   > sure you can find them in the archives. And you can also find where   > I've made amends when it was pointed out or I came to my senses on my   > own.   > Asa Jay   > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired   > & Shelley Marie   > Spokane, WA   > ******************************   > [1]http://w7tsc.org/   > [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/   >   > On 5/22/2016 10:31 AM, Kurt Byrnes wrote:   >   > Excellent point Sean. Please keep things in prospective and remember   > many services potentially crawl the list and archives so anything you   > write, any person you disparage, etc. are potentially saved for the   > world to see and google.   > I'm CERTAIN the POCA BOD is doing what it thinks is best for the   club.   > There are many valid changes they're trying to institute. You or I   may   > agree or disagree with the changes and approach but PLEASE don't   write   > something naming specific people that you wouldn't want written about   > yourself. It's just a car club.   > Kurt   > On 5/22/2016 1:15 PM, Sean Korb wrote:   >   > Just a reminder, the email archives are public.A A I learned 30 years   > ago that local politics were not my thing except to occasionally hold   > my nose and vote, plus a little well placed snark :)A A I adore this   > list though so I'm not exactly pulling out a bucket of popcorn to   > watch.A Be sure not to be exclusive.A That is the real strength of   > this community.   > sean   >   > On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Julian Kift   > [1][3]<[1]julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote:   >   > Well if you only send it to the people you know will provide a   > favorable response then the statistic become very useful as a   > mandate to continue ;-)   > ________________________________________   > From: DeTomaso [2][4]<[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on   > behalf of Mike Thomas [3][5]<[3]mbefthomas@comcast.net>   > Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 9:41 AM   > To: 'Forest Goodhart'; [[[6]4]4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address   >   > Odd, seems I was not either.A Michael?   > Mike Thomas   > Pres., Panteras Northwest   > Yellow a74 #6328   > -----Original Message-----   > From: DeTomaso   [mailto:[[[7]5]5]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On   > Behalf Of Forest Goodhart   > Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 4:46 PM   > To: [[[8]6]6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com   > Subject: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address   > OK, I've now gotten several copies of the state address. No need to   > send me any more. Just wonder why I was not on the distribution list   > from POCA. 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Asa Jay , Are you aware that that on 5/18/16 Micheal Shortt , in response to a comment about the Detomaso Mailing list archives on

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Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 13:49:39 -0700 From: [3]asajay@asajay.com To: [4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address

Something that might be dug up in the archives... When a certain someone was granted access to the old POCA server as a newly board appointed administrator, one of the first things they

new POCA webste , stated that he was working on having them "purged" so that we (he) doesnt " look like a bunch of grumpy old men " ? Are you aware also that currently the archives have indeed been purged of any posts deemed by Micheal Shortt to make himself look bad including his racist comments about African Americans ? tried

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to do was remove disparaging posts from the email forum that they had made regarding a Pantera Vendor. And I mean these were nasty

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That person had since reconciled the issue and now wanted to remove the posts. They eventually contacted me and I essentially told them "once on the internet... always on the internet." And in reality, it's extremely difficult to remove a post from Mailman, especially when it's more than just a day or so old. I seem to recall another certain someone who also works with the aforementioned someone, who also asked for specific posts to be removed from the archives sometime prior to last year's POCA election. I might have that slightly wrong so don't hold me to it. I'd have to go back through my persona emails which now number just over 16,000. Yes, for those who have been counting (not that anybody has) that's down from nearly 20,000 a couple years ago. ;) I myself have made some not so flattering remarks in the past, and I'm sure you can find them in the archives. And you can also find where I've made amends when it was pointed out or I came to my senses on my own. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [1][5]http://w7tsc.org/ [2][6]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/

On 5/22/2016 10:31 AM, Kurt Byrnes wrote:

Excellent point Sean. Please keep things in prospective and remember many services potentially crawl the list and archives so anything you write, any person you disparage, etc. are potentially saved for

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world to see and google. I'm CERTAIN the POCA BOD is doing what it thinks is best for the club. There are many valid changes they're trying to institute. You or I may agree or disagree with the changes and approach but PLEASE don't write something naming specific people that you wouldn't want written about yourself. It's just a car club. Kurt On 5/22/2016 1:15 PM, Sean Korb wrote:

Just a reminder, the email archives are public.A A I learned 30 years ago that local politics were not my thing except to occasionally hold my nose and vote, plus a little well placed snark :)A A I adore

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list though so I'm not exactly pulling out a bucket of popcorn to watch.A Be sure not to be exclusive.A That is the real strength of this community. sean

On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Julian Kift [1][3]<[1][7]julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote:

Well if you only send it to the people you know will provide a favorable response then the statistic become very useful as a mandate to continue ;-) ________________________________________ From: DeTomaso [2][4]<[2][8]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Thomas [3][5]<[3][9]mbefthomas@comcast.net> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 9:41 AM To: 'Forest Goodhart'; [[[6]4]4][10]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address

Odd, seems I was not either.A Michael? Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest Yellow a74 #6328 -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[[[7]5]5][11]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Forest Goodhart Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 4:46 PM To: [[[8]6]6][12]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address OK, I've now gotten several copies of the state address. No need to send me any more. Just wonder why I was not on the distribution

_______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. I never received the POCA Survey. Guess MS is selective in who takes it. Mark On Sunday, May 22, 2016 7:32 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Guys, If it isnA^1t still relevant, please drop it and move on. IA^1m specifically referring to the discussion about MS purging archived e-mail. Basically, it doesnA^1t matter anymore. Okay to discuss in private, but not a good idea in public. If the survey is being used to make decisions about the direction of the club, it should be handled just like an election. Include the survey in the newsletter, let the entire board compose the questions/responses, etc. Many of the questions are valid and important. There are only 4 or 5 that are extremely biased. I forwarded the survey to this list, but it probable only works from my e-mail. I have attached it as a PDF, and here it is in text: 1. I fully support the direction the club is headed in under the new President and the progressive BOD members.who support moving the club forward. Absolutely, the change was long over due, I can already see the difference. Not at all, please stop improving things and leave it alone. 2. Should those reluctant to change accept it or step aside? Yes No 3. Is it important to you that the club save money whenever possible? Yes No 4. The POCA monthly newsletter consumes 55% of the club's net revenue, I feel.. I like the printed newsletter that we have now, even if it costs $8000 more to get Black and White I like a printed newsletter and I would like a FULL COLOR printed newsletter and Profiles even more. Use the money for other projects, let's get with the 21st century, save trees and put the newsletter online already. What newsletter and What Profiles, I haven't received either one in years. 5. Do you feel the club should be Chapter Driven? Yes No 6. Do you support a $10 dues increase to retain a printed newsletter? Yes No 7. Do you feel that Rally events should be Chapter hosted and rotate? Yes No? 8. Have you visited the new website, if so, first impression? Have not seen it Loved it No better than the old website. Hated it 9. Do you feel positive change is possible within POCA? Yes No 10. In the email, the phrase "POCA Membership Experience" was used several times, how do you feel yours has been in the last 5 months? Awesome Getting better with each new update Remains the same as it always was I feel it is getting worse as a result of changes I'm ready to quit and I probably will not renew 11. Have you experienced an issue receiving a Profiles, newsletter or email? Yes No? 12. Have you paid your dues but you are still getting a late notice? Yes No 13. Have you expereinced issues in the past with a membership dues check taking a very long time to clear your bank? Yes No 14. How do you feel about tastefully placed ad or feature spaces in the Newsletter and Profiles I hate features and ads I like ads and features, they help keep me informed. I want to know which vendors to support and i'll buy from those who support my club 15. Did you realize there was chaos was going on behind the scenes? I had no idea I heard a little about it I knew and chose to ignore it It is ruining my membership experience, make it stop. 16. A survey like this one seems like an extreme measure, do you feelAA It was inevitable, tension between long term members and newer members has been building for years newer members are the future of the club and should be the ones making decisions long term members built the club and should be able to do whatever that want I suspect the club will dwindle down to so few members that it will go defunct 17. In the final analysis, I feel this situation will be resolved because this survey will spell it out for everyone and appropriate actions will be taken those who are passionate about working for the club will just quit because of the turmoil the club will revert to what it was before, this was an experiment that failed those working for progressive change will eventually succeed 18. If the only way to stop a problem person is to remove them as a member, I feel That is never an acceptable option It's unfortunate it would have to go that far, but I would support it We have a lot of work to do and there is no room for troublemakers, glad to see them gone What are we waiting for ...NEXT. 19. Please post your comments here if you have anything of value to add to the conversation. I have nothing to contribute I have no idea where to begin Check Please! Other (please specify) 20. The State of the Club email which went out earlier mentioned 4 Regional Rallies called NEWS ( North, East, West and South) Do you like the idea of all POCA members having the same opportunity to enjoy a gathering like the 35 year old Fun Rally, but closer to home so more can participate? Yes, all members are entitled to the same membership experiences, let's drive and party on all four corners of the USA. Nope, The Fun Rally should be the only event, the club started in California, they need to come to us. 21. BONUS QUESTION: 2021 will be the 50th anniversary of the 1971 Pantera, a proposal not yet released would call for a Central USA Location (Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas) Giant DeTomaso Celebration, planning for an event such as this would take years. It would last 4-5 days and include track days, racing, autocross, shows, banquets, entertainment, Rally drives and more, I thinkAA . Great Idea, let's announce it and start a preliminary planning committee It's an OK idea, but I think it should be near my home instead I have no interest in this idea and I would never attend it anyway. Oh Look, something shiny...... ;-) Done On 5/22/16, 6:35 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of James coyne" <[1]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of [2]tecnosound@hotmail.com> wrote: the posts. the this list

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Asa Jay , You are correct , I believe the archives are intact and complete . Because of Mr. Shortts stated desire to have them purged , and the initial delay in them being transfered to Kurt' s control , I initially thought Shortt had succeeded in purging them . Our Detomaso Forum , and it's archives are in good and trustworthy hands under Kurt's supervision . - James Coyne

Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 06:39:14 -0700 From: asajay@asajay.com To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address

James, I'm not aware of this, no. I wouldn't think Kurt would be swayed by Mr. MS into removing any old or existing posts by MS just because they made him look bad. I may be wrong and I think Kurt will let me know. I'm assuming you are referring to the DeTomaso email forum and not the on-line Web forum, or facebook. Kurt, any truth to this? Asa Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [1]http://w7tsc.org [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com

On 5/22/2016 3:35 PM, James coyne wrote:

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Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 13:49:39 -0700 From: [3]asajay@asajay.com To: [4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address

Something that might be dug up in the archives... When a certain someone was granted access to the old POCA server as a newly board appointed administrator, one of the first things they

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to do was remove disparaging posts from the email forum that they had made regarding a Pantera Vendor. And I mean these were nasty posts. That person had since reconciled the issue and now wanted to remove

Asa Jay , Are you aware that that on 5/18/16 Micheal Shortt , in response to a comment about the Detomaso Mailing list archives on the new POCA webste , stated that he was working on having them "purged" so that we (he) doesnt " look like a bunch of grumpy old men " ? Are you aware also that currently the archives have indeed been purged of any posts deemed by Micheal Shortt to make himself look bad including his racist comments about African Americans ? tried the

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posts. They eventually contacted me and I essentially told them "once on the internet... always on the internet." And in reality, it's extremely difficult to remove a post from Mailman, especially when it's more than just a day or so old. I seem to recall another certain someone who also works with the aforementioned someone, who also asked for specific posts to be removed from the archives sometime prior to last year's POCA election. I might have that slightly wrong so don't hold me to it. I'd have to go back through my persona emails which now number just over 16,000. Yes, for those who have been counting (not that anybody has) that's down from nearly 20,000 a couple years ago. ;) I myself have made some not so flattering remarks in the past, and I'm sure you can find them in the archives. And you can also find where I've made amends when it was pointed out or I came to my senses on my own. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [1][5]http://w7tsc.org [2][6]http://www.teampanteraracing.com

On 5/22/2016 10:31 AM, Kurt Byrnes wrote:

Excellent point Sean. Please keep things in prospective and remember many services potentially crawl the list and archives so anything you write, any person you disparage, etc. are potentially saved for the world to see and google. I'm CERTAIN the POCA BOD is doing what it thinks is best for the club. There are many valid changes they're trying to institute. You or I may agree or disagree with the changes and approach but PLEASE don't write something naming specific people that you wouldn't want written about yourself. It's just a car club. Kurt On 5/22/2016 1:15 PM, Sean Korb wrote:

Just a reminder, the email archives are public.A A I learned 30 years ago that local politics were not my thing except to occasionally hold my nose and vote, plus a little well placed snark :)A A I adore this list though so I'm not exactly pulling out a bucket of popcorn to watch.A Be sure not to be exclusive.A That is the real strength of this community. sean

On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Julian Kift [1][3][7]<[1]julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote:

Well if you only send it to the people you know will provide a favorable response then the statistic become very useful as a mandate to continue ;-) ________________________________________ From: DeTomaso [2][4][8]<[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Thomas [3][5][9]<[3]mbefthomas@comcast.net> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 9:41 AM To: 'Forest Goodhart'; [[[[10]6]4]4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address

Odd, seems I was not either.A Michael? Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest Yellow a74 #6328 -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[[[[11]7]5]5]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Forest Goodhart Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 4:46 PM To: [[[[12]8]6]6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address OK, I've now gotten several copies of the state address. No need to send me any more. Just wonder why I was not on the distribution list from POCA. Forest _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [[[[13]9]7]7]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com

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Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 06:39:14 -0700 From: asajay@asajay.com To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address

James, I'm not aware of this, no. I wouldn't think Kurt would be swayed by Mr. MS into removing any old or existing posts by MS just because

made him look bad. I may be wrong and I think Kurt will let me know. I'm assuming you are referring to the DeTomaso email forum and not

on-line Web forum, or facebook. Kurt, any truth to this? Asa Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [1]http://w7tsc.org [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com

On 5/22/2016 3:35 PM, James coyne wrote:

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Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 13:49:39 -0700 From: [3]asajay@asajay.com To: [4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address

Something that might be dug up in the archives... When a certain someone was granted access to the old POCA server as a newly board appointed administrator, one of the first things they

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to do was remove disparaging posts from the email forum that they had made regarding a Pantera Vendor. And I mean these were nasty posts. That person had since reconciled the issue and now wanted to remove

Asa Jay , Are you aware that that on 5/18/16 Micheal Shortt , in response to a comment about the Detomaso Mailing list archives on the new POCA webste , stated that he was working on having them "purged" so that we (he) doesnt " look like a bunch of grumpy old men " ? Are you aware also that currently the archives have indeed been purged of any posts deemed by Micheal Shortt to make himself look bad including his racist comments about African Americans ? tried the

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posts. They eventually contacted me and I essentially told them "once on the internet... always on the internet." And in reality, it's extremely difficult to remove a post from Mailman, especially when it's more than just a day or so old. I seem to recall another certain someone who also works with the aforementioned someone, who also asked for specific posts to be removed from the archives sometime prior to last year's POCA election. I might have that slightly wrong so don't hold me to it. I'd have to go back through my persona emails which now number just over 16,000. Yes, for those who have been counting (not that anybody has) that's down from nearly 20,000 a couple years ago. ;) I myself have made some not so flattering remarks in the past, and I'm sure you can find them in the archives. And you can also find where I've made amends when it was pointed out or I came to my senses on my own. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [1][5]http://w7tsc.org [2][6]http://www.teampanteraracing.com

On 5/22/2016 10:31 AM, Kurt Byrnes wrote:

Excellent point Sean. Please keep things in prospective and remember many services potentially crawl the list and archives so anything you write, any person you disparage, etc. are potentially saved for the world to see and google. I'm CERTAIN the POCA BOD is doing what it thinks is best for the club. There are many valid changes they're trying to institute. You or I may agree or disagree with the changes and approach but PLEASE don't write something naming specific people that you wouldn't want written about yourself. It's just a car club. Kurt On 5/22/2016 1:15 PM, Sean Korb wrote:

Just a reminder, the email archives are public.A A I learned 30 years ago that local politics were not my thing except to occasionally hold my nose and vote, plus a little well placed snark :)A A I adore

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list though so I'm not exactly pulling out a bucket of popcorn to watch.A Be sure not to be exclusive.A That is the real strength of this community. sean

On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Julian Kift [1][3][7]<[1]julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote:

Well if you only send it to the people you know will provide a favorable response then the statistic become very useful as a mandate to continue ;-) ________________________________________ From: DeTomaso [2][4][8]<[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Thomas [3][5][9]<[3]mbefthomas@comcast.net> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 9:41 AM To: 'Forest Goodhart'; [[[[10]6]4]4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address

Odd, seems I was not either.A Michael? Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest Yellow a74 #6328 -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[[[[11]7]5]5]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Forest Goodhart Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 4:46 PM To: [[[[12]8]6]6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address OK, I've now gotten several copies of the state address. No need to send me any more. Just wonder why I was not on the distribution

Asa Jay , You are correct , I believe the archives are intact and complete . Because of Mr. Shortts stated desire to have them purged , and the initial delay in them being transfered to Kurt' s control , I initially thought Shortt had succeeded in purging them . Our Detomaso Forum , and it's archives are in good and trustworthy hands under Kurt's supervision . - James Coyne they the this list

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As a new member, I don't understand what is going on. Maybe If I knew the purpose of POCA it might help. I read the bylaws below, but they are vague and there is no statement of how each will be performed. My first year membership will soon expire and the only reason I can see to renew is to try and follow what I "walked into" Now I do have a true desire to stay in communications with the owners I have met through the email list and PI. I greatly appreciate all that I have learned from you all and hope to continue doing so. . ARTICLE I PURPOSE The purpose of the Pantera Owners Club of America (POCA) is to: 1. Encourage the formation of local DeTomaso Product Clubs anywhere there is enough interest in the marquee, 2. To encourage the preservation of DeTomaso products, 3. To maintain good relationships with other marquee organizations, 4. To act as a the disseminator of knowledge about the marquee to POCA members through its publications, 5. To assist POCA Chapters with the planning and running of events, the putting out of their publications. Joe/NC

On May 22, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> wrote:

As a new member, I don't understand what is going on. Maybe If I knew the purpose of POCA it might help. I read the bylaws below, but they are vague and there is no statement of how each will be performed. My first year membership will soon expire and the only reason I can see to renew is to try and follow what I "walked into"

Now I do have a true desire to stay in communications with the owners I have met through the email list and PI. I greatly appreciate all that I have learned from you all and hope to continue doing so. . ARTICLE I PURPOSE The purpose of the Pantera Owners Club of America (POCA) is to: 1. Encourage the formation of local DeTomaso Product Clubs anywhere there is enough interest in the marquee, 2. To encourage the preservation of DeTomaso products, 3. To maintain good relationships with other marquee organizations, 4. To act as a the disseminator of knowledge about the marquee to POCA members through its publications, 5. To assist POCA Chapters with the planning and running of events, the putting out of their publications.

Joe/NC

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Thanks for acknowledging my comments. I don't want to say any more as I don't want to be labeled one side or the other :) Shoot, I can't even figure out who is on which side since I can't remember who (only email names to me) is saying what. I joined POCA after a couple months on the list thinking I was supporting the communication method for the "club" This is the only "club" I have ever joined and the only car that was notable, so I don't have experience with such Joe -----Original Message----- From: Effie Richards [mailto:erichards@zogob.sdcoxmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 21:34 PM To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address Joe, that was very timely and thank you so much! Please renew your membership for another year. There are so many wonderful members with amazing knowledge of the car who are ready and willing to help anyone in need. You will be greatly glad you did. Please ignore the recent nasty comments about the president of POCA, I have met him and I really trust him. We should give him a chance to do what he plans, after all, we let president Obama to stay another 4 years in office. I say this because there was even a comment about impeachment of Micael Short!.. Come on mature, grown up people who can drive and maintain a Pantera, use your amazing skills for better things. We can behave better, I'm sure. Sent from Effie's iPad the links above.

Joe, I¹m sure you¹ll get lots of advice, and you¹ll probably get plenty more ³please renew² e-mails than you¹ll get ³run and hide². In the end, you need to make the decision for yourself. In my opinion, this list is the #1 resource for Panteras, but it isn¹t enough. Being part of POCA brings technical articles, a color magazine, vendor information, and membership in a larger cause. Please consider that the current bickering is not normal, and it will pass. Decide based on what the club does for you. If you have less than 3 or 4 years with your car, you should be in POCA. You are at the point of the learning/enthusiasm curve where you should be craving all things Pantera. I don¹t personally expect to renew when my time is up, but I¹m in a different situation. Will. On 5/22/16, 10:06 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of byrdjf@embarqmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for acknowledging my comments. I don't want to say any more as I don't want to be labeled one side or the other :) Shoot, I can't even figure out who is on which side since I can't remember who (only email names to me) is saying what. I joined POCA after a couple months on the list thinking I was supporting the communication method for the "club" This is the only "club" I have ever joined and the only car that was notable, so I don't have experience with such

Joe

-----Original Message----- From: Effie Richards [mailto:erichards@zogob.sdcoxmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 21:34 PM To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address

Joe, that was very timely and thank you so much! Please renew your membership for another year. There are so many wonderful members with amazing knowledge of the car who are ready and willing to help anyone in need. You will be greatly glad you did. Please ignore the recent nasty comments about the president of POCA, I have met him and I really trust him. We should give him a chance to do what he plans, after all, we let president Obama to stay another 4 years in office. I say this because there was even a comment about impeachment of Micael Short!.. Come on mature, grown up people who can drive and maintain a Pantera, use your amazing skills for better things. We can behave better, I'm sure. Sent from Effie's iPad

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On May 22, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> wrote:

As a new member, I don't understand what is going on. Maybe If I knew the purpose of POCA it might help. I read the bylaws below, but they are vague and there is no statement of how each will be performed. My first year membership will soon expire and the only reason I can see to renew is to try and follow what I "walked into"

Now I do have a true desire to stay in communications with the owners I have met through the email list and PI. I greatly appreciate all that I have learned from you all and hope to continue doing so. . ARTICLE I PURPOSE The purpose of the Pantera Owners Club of America (POCA) is to: 1. Encourage the formation of local DeTomaso Product Clubs anywhere there is enough interest in the marquee, 2. To encourage the preservation of DeTomaso products, 3. To maintain good relationships with other marquee organizations, 4. To act as a the disseminator of knowledge about the marquee to POCA members through its publications, 5. To assist POCA Chapters with the planning and running of events, the putting out of their publications.

Joe/NC

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