On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 3:33 PM, Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net> wrote:

What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles. With a true comparison the difference is pennies.

Was anything truthful. He missed his calling. He should be a politician. Jeff 6559 On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 3:33 PM, Forest Goodhart <[1]forestg@att.net> wrote: What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles. With a true comparison the difference is pennies. Was anything truthful. He missed his calling. He should be a politician. Jeff 6559 References 1. mailto:forestg@att.net

Agree Julian, disagree Jeff. Just voicing my opinion only Sent from Effie's iPad

On Aug 13, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote:

Unfortunately there is just so much BS from all sides, that it is difficult to know what to believe anymore, that is the main issue I have and possibly the biggest hurdle POCA has in it's effort to recover from this episode. I think someone (i.e. the BOD) should get statement of fact out for all to fully comprehend the extent of misinformation.

Julian __________________________________________________________________

From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:44 PM To: Forest Goodhart Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com; laurieferrari@aol.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17

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What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles. With a true comparison the difference is pennies. Was anything truthful. He missed his calling. He should be a

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 3:33 PM, Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net> wrote: politician. Jeff 6559 _______________________________________________

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BUT…. Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!! I would say they are in the minority. Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive. Same Same for the newsletter. Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out.. IMHO. Feel free to flame me. ;-) "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> 🇺🇸 From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net>> Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net>> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>>, "laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>" <laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles. With a true comparison the difference is pennies. From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>> To: laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: save $8,000 Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out about $10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now. Jeff 6559 References 1. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. BUT.... Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!! I would say they are in the minority. Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive. Same Same for the newsletter. Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out.. IMHO. Feel free to flame me. ;-) "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Forest Goodhart <[3]forestg@att.net> Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <[4]forestg@att.net> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM To: Jeff Detrich <[5]jjdetrich@gmail.com>, "[6]laurieferrari@aol.com" <[7]laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: "[8]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[9]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles. With a true comparison the difference is pennies. From: Jeff Detrich <[10]jjdetrich@gmail.com> To: [11]laurieferrari@aol.com Cc: [12]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <[1][13]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: save $8,000 Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out about $10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now. Jeff 6559 References 1. [14]mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [15]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [16]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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If I was given a vote today, I would elect for printed full-color Profiles and downloadable-only (also color) e-mail delivery Newsletters (as International members have been getting for some time now). I really dislike having to view everything on a computer and/or having to self-print onto loose pages. I wonder how many of us has EVER thrown out an issue of Profiles? Certainly not me. And, as a very distant (from SoCal) POCA member, pretty much the most tangible benefit of my membership has been the printed materials and content of course. I am very happy to see a modern website with the back issues and articles as downloads as well, but if my membership was entirely digital (and more work for me) it would be less attractive to me. Mark Charlton pantera01826@rogers.com

On Aug 13, 2016, at 5:34 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote:

The fact that the Profiles and Newsletters are now online (and hopefully at some point searchable for content and articles) I think adds a lot to the argument of paper vs. no paper. I must admit I do like the full color Profiles magazine in paper form in hand, the B&W newsletter would be easy to print articles from as required.

As for the trash can all copies of both Profiles and Newsletters are stored on my bookshelf since I joined POCA in 2006.

Julian __________________________________________________________________

From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:51 PM To: Forest Goodhart; Jeff Detrich; laurieferrari@aol.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17

BUT.... Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!! I would say they are in the minority. Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive. Same Same for the newsletter. Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out.. IMHO. Feel free to flame me. ;-) "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147

If I was given a vote today, I would elect for printed full-color Profiles and downloadable-only (also color) e-mail delivery Newsletters (as International members have been getting for some time now). I really dislike having to view everything on a computer and/or having to self-print onto loose pages. I wonder how many of us has EVER thrown out an issue of Profiles? Certainly not me. And, as a very distant (from SoCal) POCA member, pretty much the most tangible benefit of my membership has been the printed materials and content of course. I am very happy to see a modern website with the back issues and articles as downloads as well, but if my membership was entirely digital (and more work for me) it would be less attractive to me. Mark Charlton [1]pantera01826@rogers.com On Aug 13, 2016, at 5:34 PM, Julian Kift <[2]julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote: The fact that the Profiles and Newsletters are now online (and hopefully at some point searchable for content and articles) I think adds a lot to the argument of paper vs. no paper. I must admit I do like the full color Profiles magazine in paper form in hand, the B&W newsletter would be easy to print articles from as required. As for the trash can all copies of both Profiles and Newsletters are stored on my bookshelf since I joined POCA in 2006. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <[4]terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:51 PM To: Forest Goodhart; Jeff Detrich; [5]laurieferrari@aol.com Cc: [6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 BUT.... Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!! I would say they are in the minority. Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive. Same Same for the newsletter. Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out.. IMHO. Feel free to flame me. ;-) "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 References 1. mailto:pantera01826@rogers.com 2. mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 4. mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov 5. mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com 6. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com

Judith McCartney, Membership Director & Fun Rally coordinator. Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 22:01:54 +0000 From: forestg@att.net To: pantera01826@rogers.com; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 Mark,A point made clear at the President's meeting in Las Vegas. That is why printing costs have become the issue. If printed newsletters went away there would be no printing costs. Personally I would be OK with electronic newsletters. That is what we do with our chapter newsletter. I do not find it so hard to print and staple a newsletter but apparently others do so I am fine with continuing to print and mail but at some point we will have to address costs, probably with a dues adjustment. Again I am OK with that.Forest From: Mark Charlton <pantera01826@rogers.com> To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 If I was given a vote today, I would elect for printed full-color Profiles and downloadable-only (also color) e-mail delivery Newsletters (as International members have been getting for some time now). I really dislike having to view everything on a computer and/or having to self-print onto loose pages. I wonder how many of us has EVER thrown out an issue of Profiles? Certainly not me. And, as a very distant (from SoCal) POCA member, pretty much the most tangible benefit of my membership has been the printed materials and content of course. I am very happy to see a modern website with the back issues and articles as downloads as well, but if my membership was entirely digital (and more work for me) it would be less attractive to me. Mark Charlton [1]pantera01826@rogers.com On Aug 13, 2016, at 5:34 PM, Julian Kift <[2]julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote: The fact that the Profiles and Newsletters are now online (and hopefully at some point searchable for content and articles) I think adds a lot to the argument of paper vs. no paper. I must admit I do like the full color Profiles magazine in paper form in hand, the B&W newsletter would be easy to print articles from as required. As for the trash can all copies of both Profiles and Newsletters are stored on my bookshelf since I joined POCA in 2006. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <[4]terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:51 PM To: Forest Goodhart; Jeff Detrich; [5]laurieferrari@aol.com Cc: [6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 BUT.... Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!! I would say they are in the minority. Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive. Same Same for the newsletter. Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out.. IMHO. Feel free to flame me. ;-) "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 References 1. mailto:pantera01826@rogers.com 2. mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 4. mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov 5. mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com 6. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 22:01:54 +0000 From: forestg@att.net To: pantera01826@rogers.com; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 Mark,A point made clear at the President's meeting in Las Vegas. That is why pri nting costs have become the issue. If printed newsletters went away there would be no printing costs. Personally I would be OK with electronic newsletters. That is what we do with our chapter newsletter. I do not find it so hard to print an d staple a newsletter but apparently others do so I am fine with continuing to p rint and mail but at some point we will have to address costs, probably with a d ues adjustment. Again I am OK with that.Forest From: Mark Charlton <pantera01826@rogers.com> To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 If I was given a vote today, I would elect for printed full-color Profiles and downloadable-only (also color) e-mail delivery Newsletters (as International members have been getting for some time now). I really dislike having to view everything on a computer and/or having to self-print onto loose pages. I wonder how many of us has EVER thrown out an issue of Profiles? Certainly not me. And, as a very distant (from SoCal) POCA member, pretty much the most tangible benefit of my membership has been the printed materials and content of course. I am very happy to see a modern website with the back issues and articles as downloads as well, but if my membership was entirely digital (and more work for me) it would be less attractive to me. Mark Charlton [1]pantera01826@rogers.com On Aug 13, 2016, at 5:34 PM, Julian Kift <[2]julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote: The fact that the Profiles and Newsletters are now online (and hopefully at some point searchable for content and articles) I think adds a lot to the argument of paper vs. no paper. I must admit I do like the full color Profiles magazine in paper form in hand, the B&W newsletter would be easy to print articles from as required. As for the trash can all copies of both Profiles and Newsletters are stored on my bookshelf since I joined POCA in 2006. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <[4]terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:51 PM To: Forest Goodhart; Jeff Detrich; [5]laurieferrari@aol.com Cc: [6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 BUT.... Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!! I would say they are in the minority. Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive. Same Same for the newsletter. Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out.. IMHO. Feel free to flame me. ;-) "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. 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I agree wholeheartedly! But, if those of us who want the paper lose it, well, I will have just wasted my $75 when I re-upped with the shortt gone. No flaming - but please - don't take my paper away! Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C) Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:51 PM To: Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net>; Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com>; laurieferrari@aol.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 BUT…. Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!! I would say they are in the minority. Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive. Same Same for the newsletter. Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out.. IMHO. Feel free to flame me. ;-) "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> 🇺🇸 From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net>> Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net>> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>>, "laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>" <laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles. With a true comparison the difference is pennies. From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>> To: laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: save $8,000 Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out about $10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now. Jeff 6559 References 1. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

Thank you. Very well put. BTW - I apologize for the outburst. ;-) "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> 🇺🇸 From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com<mailto:asajay@asajay.com>> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 3:14 PM To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic The last I heard (and I may have heard wrong), the board was interested in doing a -real- accounting comparison of printing costs, so for me, it's a wait and see kind of thing. I agree, if POCA was missing out on full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W then something is amiss. However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't account for all costs properly. I have more faith that the present board members will properly investigate and sort it out for everyone. I am on-board with electronic delivery, though I do admit it's nice to just sit back and read a paper copy too. It's also easier to hand-off to Sam so he can read it later. How do you really fix that? I would think (and I don't know), that the ClubExpress membership database might be able to include a "preference" as part of the member's profile or details. Just as I can set an address and phone number, if I could check a box for Electronic delivery or paper copies, or both, and select whatever I wanted for each item (Profiles versus Newsletter), that might be ideal. However, I'm also familiar with quantity discounting. It very well could be that it costs the same amount to print 500 as it does to print 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine those are considerations the board will look at as well. Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has claimed, I have heard (from more than one person), that Jack and Mike did not resign "because POCA changed printers;" it was over "control" of newsletter content that in essence fell outside the bounds of the by-laws. For a guy that appeared to try very hard to get everyone else to follow the by-laws (and it's unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt certainly didn't feel they applied to him. For the record, as I understand it, POCA has changed printers -twice- since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were related to the DeRykes) got out of the business. So the "family tie-in" previously eluded to, was not a factor in the resignations. Just my $1.50 (two cents adjusted for inflation) Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://w7tsc.org http://www.teampanteraracing.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Thank you. Very well put. BTW - I apologize for the outburst. ;-) "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton <[3]asajay@asajay.com> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 3:14 PM To: "[4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Newsletters, cost, paper vs. electronic The last I heard (and I may have heard wrong), the board was interested in doing a -real- accounting comparison of printing costs, so for me, it's a wait and see kind of thing. I agree, if POCA was missing out on full-color and paying $8,000 more for B/W then something is amiss. However, I also believe Mr. Shortt didn't account for all costs properly. I have more faith that the present board members will properly investigate and sort it out for everyone. I am on-board with electronic delivery, though I do admit it's nice to just sit back and read a paper copy too. It's also easier to hand-off to Sam so he can read it later. How do you really fix that? I would think (and I don't know), that the ClubExpress membership database might be able to include a "preference" as part of the member's profile or details. Just as I can set an address and phone number, if I could check a box for Electronic delivery or paper copies, or both, and select whatever I wanted for each item (Profiles versus Newsletter), that might be ideal. However, I'm also familiar with quantity discounting. It very well could be that it costs the same amount to print 500 as it does to print 50, or 10 (but I doubt it). I imagine those are considerations the board will look at as well. Oh, and in contrast to what Laurie has claimed, I have heard (from more than one person), that Jack and Mike did not resign "because POCA changed printers;" it was over "control" of newsletter content that in essence fell outside the bounds of the by-laws. For a guy that appeared to try very hard to get everyone else to follow the by-laws (and it's unwritten code of ethics), Mr. Shortt certainly didn't feel they applied to him. For the record, as I understand it, POCA has changed printers -twice- since the Fertitta's (sp) (who were related to the DeRykes) got out of the business. So the "family tie-in" previously eluded to, was not a factor in the resignations. 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Asa, your apologies are accepted and appreciated. Sometimes our opinion is based on what we have been told but we do not actually have all the facts, only what is given to us. I still say there are lots of unresolved things but I have put my own research on hold and I'm all for giving our leaders a chance to get things going again and the benefit of the doubt that improvements and fine tuning will continue. It's almost a thankless job, not a paid one and I agree to show support and appreciation for all our volunteers do. I do reserve the right to go off and call out any future injustice I feel is going on and I absolutely request no more future personal negative statements such as "impeach" whoever because that person appears unstable. Justification is a huge must for any strong statements made. So, no more hysterics, please! There should be a procedure for expressing grievance and requesting review of a matter. My husband has every issue of Profiles and Newsletter ever sent. He does not do email but I wouldn't mind at all printing a copy for him. Still, how awesome to receive these publications in the mail, printed on great paper, awesome pictures and illustrations with the articles, being able to leave them behind for the next owner of our cars. Laurie, good job bringing up the printer issue, it generated some great input from so many members! Thank you all! Effie Sent from Effie's iPad

On Aug 13, 2016, at 7:16 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> wrote:

I stand corrected. I received the same pdf attachment as everyone else and it appears Jack's resignation -was- tied to switching printers (though not for the presumed reasons I was made aware of previously). My apologies for the mistake and thank you to those who were able to clear that up.

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You did read what I said. Here let me make it VERY clear… WE SHOULD HAVE A CHOICE!!!!!!! IF YOU DO NOT WANT PAPER THEN YOU CAN OPT OUT OF GETTING IT. There. ;-) Seriously READ what I wrote before responding. Club member should have a choice. It's simple and easy. "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> 🇺🇸 From: Stephen <steve@snclocks.com<mailto:steve@snclocks.com>> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 2:36 PM To: Terry Himes <Terry.Himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:Terry.Himes@jpl.nasa.gov>>, 'Forest Goodhart' <forestg@att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net>>, 'Jeff Detrich' <jjdetrich@gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>>, "laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>" <laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 I agree wholeheartedly! But, if those of us who want the paper lose it, well, I will have just wasted my $75 when I re-upped with the shortt gone. No flaming - but please - don't take my paper away! Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C) Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:51 PM To: Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net>>; Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>>; laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 BUT…. Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!! I would say they are in the minority. Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive. Same Same for the newsletter. Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out.. IMHO. Feel free to flame me. ;-) "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> 🇺🇸 From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net><mailto:forestg@att.net>> Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net><mailto:forestg@att.net>> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com><mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>>, "laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com><mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>" <laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com><mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles. With a true comparison the difference is pennies. From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com><mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>> To: laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com><mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: save $8,000 Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out about $10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now. Jeff 6559 References 1. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. You did read what I said. Here let me make it VERY clear... WE SHOULD HAVE A CHOICE!!!!!!! IF YOU DO NOT WANT PAPER THEN YOU CAN OPT OUT OF GETTING IT. There. ;-) Seriously READ what I wrote before responding. Club member should have a choice. It's simple and easy. "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov From: Stephen <[2]steve@snclocks.com> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 2:36 PM To: Terry Himes <[3]Terry.Himes@jpl.nasa.gov>, 'Forest Goodhart' <[4]forestg@att.net>, 'Jeff Detrich' <[5]jjdetrich@gmail.com>, "[6]laurieferrari@aol.com" <[7]laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: "[8]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[9]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 I agree wholeheartedly! But, if those of us who want the paper lose it, well, I will have just wasted my $75 when I re-upped with the shortt gone. No flaming - but please - don't take my paper away! Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[10]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C) Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:51 PM To: Forest Goodhart <[11]forestg@att.net>; Jeff Detrich <[12]jjdetrich@gmail.com>; [13]laurieferrari@aol.com Cc: [14]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 BUT.... Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!! I would say they are in the minority. Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive. Same Same for the newsletter. Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out.. IMHO. Feel free to flame me. ;-) "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [15]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[16]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> From: DeTomaso <[17]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<[18]mailto:detomaso-bounc es@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Forest Goodhart <[19]forestg@att.net<[20]mailto:forestg@att.net>> Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <[21]forestg@att.net<[22]mailto:forestg@att.net>> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM To: Jeff Detrich <[23]jjdetrich@gmail.com<[24]mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>>, "[25]laurieferrari@aol.com<[26]mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>" <[27]laurieferrari@aol.com<[28]mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>> Cc: "[29]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[30]mailto:detomaso@server.detoma solist.com>" <[31]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[32]mailto:detomaso@server.detoma solist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles. With a true comparison the difference is pennies. From: Jeff Detrich <[33]jjdetrich@gmail.com<[34]mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>> To: [35]laurieferrari@aol.com<[36]mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: [37]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[38]mailto:detomaso@server.detomas olist.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <[1][39]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[40]mailto:detomaso@server.d etomasolist.com>> wrote: save $8,000 Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out about $10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now. Jeff 6559 References 1. 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I doubt that it is linear, though. If it costs $24,000 to mail to everyone, it might be $20,000 to mail to 1/2, not $12,000. I¹m not debating numbers. I¹m only saying that the cost benefit analysis needs to be done. Personally, I want paper. I look at a computer terminal all day. I don¹t want to do it again in the evening to read Pantera news. Besides, it helps improve my evening when I get home to a car magazine in the mail. On 8/13/16, 6:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of jjdetrich@gmail.com> wrote:

I don't think anyone ever has suggested that paper versions will not be available to those that want them. But if we can convert 1/2 of the newsletters to paper that would be upwardsof $12,000. Just my 2cents as JDR says. Jeff 6559

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I agree wholeheartedly!A But, if those of us who want the paper lose it, well, I will have just wasted my $75 when I re-upped with the shortt gone. No flaming - but please - don't take my paper away! Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C) Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:51 PM To: Forest Goodhart <[3]forestg@att.net>; Jeff Detrich <[4]jjdetrich@gmail.com>; [5]laurieferrari@aol.com Cc: [6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 BUTa|. Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!!A A I would say they are in the minority. Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive. Same Same for the newsletter.A Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out.. IMHO.A A Feel free to flame me.A A ;-) "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,A stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell:A A A (818) 653-8213 Fax:A A A (818) 393-3147 [7]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:[8]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> d--od-, From: DeTomaso <[9]detomaso-bounces@server. detomasolist.com<mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces@server. detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Forest Goodhart <[11]forestg@att.net<mailto:[12]forestg@att.net>> Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <[13]forestg@att.net<mailto:[14]forest g@att.net>> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM To: Jeff Detrich <[15]jjdetrich@gmail.com<mailto:[16]jj detrich@gmail.com>>, "[17]laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:[18] laurieferrari@aol.com>" <[19]laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:[20] laurieferrari@aol.com>> Cc: "[21]detomaso@server.detomasolist. com<mailto:[22]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <[23]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[24]detomaso@server. detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles. With a true comparison the difference is pennies. A A A From: Jeff Detrich <[25]jjdetrich@gmail.com<mailto:[26]jj detrich@gmail.com>> To: [27]laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:[28]laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: [29]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[30]detomaso@server. detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 A On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso A <[1][31]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[32]detoma so@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: A A save $8,000 A Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out about A $10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to A keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now. A Jeff A 6559 References A 1. mailto:[33]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [34]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[35]DeTomaso@server. detomasolist.com>

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It's not an ALL or NONE debate. Some want paper, some don't. Simple. "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> 🇺🇸 From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Reply-To: Scott Couchman <scottcouchman@yahoo.com<mailto:scottcouchman@yahoo.com>> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 5:31 PM To: Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 1) I recommend we ask and wait for the POCA Treasurer to provide the analysis on the printing/mailing cost. 2) Repeated studies have shown digital magazines have been failures because most people prefer printed magazines over on-line editions. I will have to google it again to find the references. I think the last study I saw said 6% prefer to read magazines on-line. ( now that I've said that I hope I can find the reference :-) 3) Without printed content, $75 is way more than any other car club I belong to. Besides POCA, my next most expensive car club is the National Woodie Club and they're $35 ($32 if you join for two years) and I get a full color glossy monthly magazine mailed to me! I need to check and see how many members are in the Woodie Club. 4) My Mustang club prints the monthly newsletter and brings them to the monthly meeting to hand out. They then publish it on-line for those that don't attend the monthly meeting. I understand that doesn't work for everyone, but I for one would be happy to pickup my Profiles and Newsletter each month at our Chapter meeting. Even better if it was in full color. I can tell you I never go on-line to read or print the Mustang Club newsletter. If I don't attend the meeting I don't read that months issue. :-( On Aug 13, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> wrote: I doubt that it is linear, though. If it costs $24,000 to mail to everyone, it might be $20,000 to mail to 1/2, not $12,000. I¹m not debating numbers. I¹m only saying that the cost benefit analysis needs to be done. Personally, I want paper. I look at a computer terminal all day. I don¹t want to do it again in the evening to read Pantera news. Besides, it helps improve my evening when I get home to a car magazine in the mail. On 8/13/16, 6:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of jjdetrich@gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>> wrote: I don't think anyone ever has suggested that paper versions will not be available to those that want them. But if we can convert 1/2 of the newsletters to paper that would be upwardsof $12,000. Just my 2cents as JDR says. Jeff 6559 On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Stephen <[1]steve@snclocks.com<mailto:steve@snclocks.com>> wrote: I agree wholeheartedly!A But, if those of us who want the paper lose it, well, I will have just wasted my $75 when I re-upped with the shortt gone. No flaming - but please - don't take my paper away! Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C) Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:51 PM To: Forest Goodhart <[3]forestg@att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net>>; Jeff Detrich <[4]jjdetrich@gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>>; [5]laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: [6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 BUTa|. Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!!A A I would say they are in the minority. Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive. Same Same for the newsletter.A Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out.. IMHO.A A Feel free to flame me.A A ;-) "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,A stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell:A A A (818) 653-8213 Fax:A A A (818) 393-3147 [7]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:[8]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> d--od-, From: DeTomaso <[9]detomaso-bounces@server. detomasolist.com<mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces@server. detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Forest Goodhart <[11]forestg@att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net><mailto:[12]forestg@att.net>> Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <[13]forestg@att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net><mailto:[14]forest g@att.net<mailto:g@att.net>>> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM To: Jeff Detrich <[15]jjdetrich@gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com><mailto:[16]jj detrich@gmail.com<mailto:detrich@gmail.com>>>, "[17]laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com><mailto:[18] laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>>" <[19]laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com><mailto:[20] laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>>> Cc: "[21]detomaso@server.detomasolist<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist>. com<mailto:[22]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <[23]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[24]detomaso@server. detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles. With a true comparison the difference is pennies. A A A From: Jeff Detrich <[25]jjdetrich@gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com><mailto:[26]jj detrich@gmail.com<mailto:detrich@gmail.com>>> To: [27]laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com><mailto:[28]laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: [29]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[30]detomaso@server. detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 A On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso A <[1][31]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[32]detoma so@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:so@server.detomasolist.com>>> wrote: A A save $8,000 A Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out about A $10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to A keep everybody happy. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. It's not an ALL or NONE debate. Some want paper, some don't. Simple. "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <[3]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Reply-To: Scott Couchman <[4]scottcouchman@yahoo.com> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 5:31 PM To: Ken Green via DeTomaso <[5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 1) I recommend we ask and wait for the POCA Treasurer to provide the analysis on the printing/mailing cost. 2) Repeated studies have shown digital magazines have been failures because most people prefer printed magazines over on-line editions. I will have to google it again to find the references. I think the last study I saw said 6% prefer to read magazines on-line. ( now that I've said that I hope I can find the reference :-) 3) Without printed content, $75 is way more than any other car club I belong to. Besides POCA, my next most expensive car club is the National Woodie Club and they're $35 ($32 if you join for two years) and I get a full color glossy monthly magazine mailed to me! I need to check and see how many members are in the Woodie Club. 4) My Mustang club prints the monthly newsletter and brings them to the monthly meeting to hand out. They then publish it on-line for those that don't attend the monthly meeting. I understand that doesn't work for everyone, but I for one would be happy to pickup my Profiles and Newsletter each month at our Chapter meeting. Even better if it was in full color. I can tell you I never go on-line to read or print the Mustang Club newsletter. If I don't attend the meeting I don't read that months issue. :-( On Aug 13, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Will Kooiman <[6]will.kooiman@gmail.com> wrote: I doubt that it is linear, though. If it costs $24,000 to mail to everyone, it might be $20,000 to mail to 1/2, not $12,000. I^1m not debating numbers. I^1m only saying that the cost benefit analysis needs to be done. Personally, I want paper. I look at a computer terminal all day. I don^1t want to do it again in the evening to read Pantera news. Besides, it helps improve my evening when I get home to a car magazine in the mail. On 8/13/16, 6:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich" <[7]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of [8]jjdetrich@gmail.com> wrote: I don't think anyone ever has suggested that paper versions will not be available to those that want them. But if we can convert 1/2 of the newsletters to paper that would be upwardsof $12,000. Just my 2cents as JDR says. Jeff 6559 On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Stephen <[1][9]steve@snclocks.com> wrote: I agree wholeheartedly!A But, if those of us who want the paper lose it, well, I will have just wasted my $75 when I re-upped with the shortt gone. No flaming - but please - don't take my paper away! Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[10]mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C) Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:51 PM To: Forest Goodhart <[3][11]forestg@att.net>; Jeff Detrich <[4][12]jjdetrich@gmail.com>; [5][13]laurieferrari@aol.com Cc: [6][14]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 BUTa|. Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!!A A I would say they are in the minority. Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive. Same Same for the newsletter.A Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out.. IMHO.A A Feel free to flame me.A A ;-) "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,A stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell:A A A (818) 653-8213 Fax:A A A (818) 393-3147 [7][15]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[16]mailto:[8]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> d--od-, From: DeTomaso <[9]detomaso-bounces@server. detomasolist.com<[17]mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces@server. detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Forest Goodhart <[11][18]forestg@att.net<[19]mailto:[12]forestg@att.net>> Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <[13][20]forestg@att.net<[21]mailto:[14]forest [22]g@att.net>> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM To: Jeff Detrich <[15][23]jjdetrich@gmail.com<[24]mailto:[16]jj [25]detrich@gmail.com>>, "[17][26]laurieferrari@aol.com<[27]mailto:[18] [28]laurieferrari@aol.com>" <[19][29]laurieferrari@aol.com<[30]mailto:[20] [31]laurieferrari@aol.com>> Cc: "[21][32]detomaso@server.detomasolist. com<[33]mailto:[22]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <[23][34]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[35]mailto:[24]detomaso@s erver. detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles. With a true comparison the difference is pennies. A A A From: Jeff Detrich <[25][36]jjdetrich@gmail.com<[37]mailto:[26]jj [38]detrich@gmail.com>> To: [27][39]laurieferrari@aol.com<[40]mailto:[28]laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: [29][41]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[42]mailto:[30]detomaso@server . detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 A On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso A <[1][31][43]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[44]mailto:[32]deto ma [45]so@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: A A save $8,000 A Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out about A $10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to A keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now. A Jeff A 6559 References A 1. 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I think that there needs to be an online poll about who prefers what (printed/digital/color, etc.), BUT, the choices need to be realistic and thought out! Not: Have you stopped beating your wife? ---BILL Lewis ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 10:26 PM To: Stephen Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com; laurieferrari@aol.com; Forest Goodhart Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 I don't think anyone ever has suggested that paper versions will not be available to those that want them. But if we can convert 1/2 of the newsletters to paper that would be upwardsof $12,000. Just my 2cents as JDR says. Jeff 6559 On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Stephen <steve@snclocks.com> wrote:

I agree wholeheartedly! But, if those of us who want the paper lose it, well, I will have just wasted my $75 when I re-upped with the shortt gone.

No flaming - but please - don't take my paper away!

Stephen Nelson

-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C) Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:51 PM To: Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net>; Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com>; laurieferrari@aol.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17

BUT….

Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!! I would say they are in the minority.

Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive.

Same Same for the newsletter. Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out..

IMHO. Feel free to flame me. ;-)

"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> 🇺🇸

From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detoma so-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Forest Goodhart < forestg@att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net>> Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net>> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>>, " laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>" < laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server. detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17

What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles. With a true comparison the difference is pennies.

From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>> To: laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server. detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detoma so@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:

save $8,000

Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out about $10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now. Jeff 6559

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I agree wholeheartedly! But, if those of us who want the paper lose it, well, I will have just wasted my $75 when I re-upped with the shortt gone.

No flaming - but please - don't take my paper away!

Stephen Nelson

-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C) Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:51 PM To: Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net>; Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com>; laurieferrari@aol.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17

BUT....

Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!! I would say they are in the minority.

Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive.

Same Same for the newsletter. Let the members who want paper get

but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out..

IMHO. Feel free to flame me. ;-)

"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[2]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov>

From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detoma so-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Forest Goodhart < forestg@att.net<[3]mailto:forestg@att.net>> Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net>> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>>, " laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>" < laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server. detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17

What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles. With a true comparison the difference is pennies.

From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>> To: laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server. detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detoma so@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:

save $8,000

Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out about $10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now. Jeff 6559

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I think that there needs to be an online poll about who prefers what (printed/digital/color, etc.), BUT, the choices need to be realistic and thought out! Not: Have you stopped beating your wife? ---BILL Lewis __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 10:26 PM To: Stephen Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com; laurieferrari@aol.com; Forest Goodhart Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 I don't think anyone ever has suggested that paper versions will not be available to those that want them. But if we can convert 1/2 of the newsletters to paper that would be upwardsof $12,000. Just my 2cents as JDR says. Jeff 6559 On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Stephen <steve@snclocks.com> wrote: them, list.

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No paper = no membership renewal for me. Before the club eliminates paper copies all together, I suggest the membership be polled to see just what effect such an action has on the membership count. Why would someone subscribe to digital publications when they can just be forwarded from one member to another? I'm perfectly willing to pay a premium for printed material, but am not willing to pay squat for digital info. Doug -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 4:37 PM To: 'Himes, Terry (397C)'; 'Forest Goodhart'; 'Jeff Detrich'; laurieferrari@aol.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 I agree wholeheartedly! But, if those of us who want the paper lose it, well, I will have just wasted my $75 when I re-upped with the shortt gone. No flaming - but please - don't take my paper away! Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C) Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:51 PM To: Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net>; Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com>; laurieferrari@aol.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 BUT…. Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!! I would say they are in the minority. Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive. Same Same for the newsletter. Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out.. IMHO. Feel free to flame me. ;-) "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> 🇺🇸 From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net>> Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net>> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>>, "laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>" <laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles. With a true comparison the difference is pennies. From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>> To: laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: save $8,000 Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out about $10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now. Jeff 6559 References 1. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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Wow. Does no one read? There is no debate. Just make paper copies to those who want/need it. Make electronic copies for those to don't. Easy breezy. It is not a "ALL OR NONE" debate. Very simple. It is almost funny to read the responses. Almost. "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> 🇺🇸 From: Douglas Kelm <dakelm@qwest.net<mailto:dakelm@qwest.net>> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 5:24 PM To: 'Stephen' <steve@snclocks.com<mailto:steve@snclocks.com>>, Terry Himes <Terry.Himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:Terry.Himes@jpl.nasa.gov>>, 'Forest Goodhart' <forestg@att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net>>, 'Jeff Detrich' <jjdetrich@gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>>, "laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>" <laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 No paper = no membership renewal for me. Before the club eliminates paper copies all together, I suggest the membership be polled to see just what effect such an action has on the membership count. Why would someone subscribe to digital publications when they can just be forwarded from one member to another? I'm perfectly willing to pay a premium for printed material, but am not willing to pay squat for digital info. Doug -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 4:37 PM To: 'Himes, Terry (397C)'; 'Forest Goodhart'; 'Jeff Detrich'; laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 I agree wholeheartedly! But, if those of us who want the paper lose it, well, I will have just wasted my $75 when I re-upped with the shortt gone. No flaming - but please - don't take my paper away! Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C) Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:51 PM To: Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net>>; Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>>; laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 BUT…. Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!! I would say they are in the minority. Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive. Same Same for the newsletter. Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out.. IMHO. Feel free to flame me. ;-) "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> 🇺🇸 From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net><mailto:forestg@att.net>> Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net><mailto:forestg@att.net>> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com><mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>>, "laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com><mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>" <laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com><mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles. With a true comparison the difference is pennies. From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com><mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>> To: laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com><mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: save $8,000 Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out about $10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now. Jeff 6559 References 1. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Wow. Does no one read? There is no debate. Just make paper copies to those who want/need it. Make electronic copies for those to don't. Easy breezy. It is not a "ALL OR NONE" debate. Very simple. It is almost funny to read the responses. Almost. "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov From: Douglas Kelm <[2]dakelm@qwest.net> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 5:24 PM To: 'Stephen' <[3]steve@snclocks.com>, Terry Himes <[4]Terry.Himes@jpl.nasa.gov>, 'Forest Goodhart' <[5]forestg@att.net>, 'Jeff Detrich' <[6]jjdetrich@gmail.com>, "[7]laurieferrari@aol.com" <[8]laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: "[9]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[10]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 No paper = no membership renewal for me. Before the club eliminates paper copies all together, I suggest the membership be polled to see just what effect such an action has on the membership count. Why would someone subscribe to digital publications when they can just be forwarded from one member to another? I'm perfectly willing to pay a premium for printed material, but am not willing to pay squat for digital info. Doug -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[11]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 4:37 PM To: 'Himes, Terry (397C)'; 'Forest Goodhart'; 'Jeff Detrich'; [12]laurieferrari@aol.com Cc: [13]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 I agree wholeheartedly! But, if those of us who want the paper lose it, well, I will have just wasted my $75 when I re-upped with the shortt gone. No flaming - but please - don't take my paper away! Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[14]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C) Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:51 PM To: Forest Goodhart <[15]forestg@att.net>; Jeff Detrich <[16]jjdetrich@gmail.com>; [17]laurieferrari@aol.com Cc: [18]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 BUT.... Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!! I would say they are in the minority. Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive. Same Same for the newsletter. Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out.. IMHO. Feel free to flame me. ;-) "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [19]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[20]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> From: DeTomaso <[21]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<[22]mailto:detomaso-bounc es@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Forest Goodhart <[23]forestg@att.net<[24]mailto:forestg@att.net>> Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <[25]forestg@att.net<[26]mailto:forestg@att.net>> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM To: Jeff Detrich <[27]jjdetrich@gmail.com<[28]mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>>, "[29]laurieferrari@aol.com<[30]mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>" <[31]laurieferrari@aol.com<[32]mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>> Cc: "[33]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[34]mailto:detomaso@server.detoma solist.com>" <[35]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[36]mailto:detomaso@server.detoma solist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles. With a true comparison the difference is pennies. From: Jeff Detrich <[37]jjdetrich@gmail.com<[38]mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>> To: [39]laurieferrari@aol.com<[40]mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: [41]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[42]mailto:detomaso@server.detomas olist.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <[1][43]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[44]mailto:detomaso@server.d etomasolist.com>> wrote: save $8,000 Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out about $10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now. Jeff 6559 References 1. 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FWIW, Shouldn't we get a true figure on cost differences for both / each publication and manor of dispersing prior to any voting??   Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> To: Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net>; Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com>; "laurieferrari@aol.com" <laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17   BUT....   Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want   paper!!    I would say they are in the minority.   Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a   member wants a paper copy of electronic copies.   Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day   after they arrive.   Same Same for the newsletter.  Let the members who want paper get them,   but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that   just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out..   IMHO.  Feel free to flame me.  ;-)   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,     stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"   Terry W. Himes   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory   Dawn Spacecraft Team   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead   Phone: (818) 393-6261   Cell:    (818) 653-8213   Fax:    (818) 393-3147   [1]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov   From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf   of Forest Goodhart <[3]forestg@att.net>   Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <[4]forestg@att.net>   Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM   To: Jeff Detrich <[5]jjdetrich@gmail.com>, "[6]laurieferrari@aol.com"   <[7]laurieferrari@aol.com>   Cc: "[8]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com"   <[9]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17   What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is   incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles.   With a true comparison the difference is pennies.         From: Jeff Detrich <[10]jjdetrich@gmail.com>   To: [11]laurieferrari@aol.com   Cc: [12]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com   Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17     On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso     <[1][13]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:       save $8,000     Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out   about     $10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to     keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now.     Jeff     6559   References     1. 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Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. FWIW, Shouldn't we get a true figure on cost differences for both / each publication and manor of dispersing prior to any voting?? Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) __________________________________________________________________ From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> To: Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net>; Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com>; "laurieferrari@aol.com" <laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 BUT.... Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!! I would say they are in the minority. Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive. Same Same for the newsletter. Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out.. IMHO. Feel free to flame me. ;-) "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1][1]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov From: DeTomaso <[2][2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Forest Goodhart <[3][3]forestg@att.net> Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <[4][4]forestg@att.net> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM To: Jeff Detrich <[5][5]jjdetrich@gmail.com>, "[6][6]laurieferrari@aol.com" <[7][7]laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: "[8][8]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[9][9]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles. With a true comparison the difference is pennies. From: Jeff Detrich <[10][10]jjdetrich@gmail.com> To: [11][11]laurieferrari@aol.com Cc: [12][12]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <[1][13][13]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: save $8,000 Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out about $10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now. Jeff 6559 References 1. [14]mailto:[14]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [15][15]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [16][16]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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I generally don't completely agree with how others do things, but I recognize that in many instances they are just trying to do what they think is best.  If anyone (maybe not anyone) wants to step up and help, I suspect the BOD would be happy to receive the help.  After the dust has settled, I suggest that those who see room to improve the club, and are willing to give their time, contact the BOD and offer their services. Personally, I think the people who hung in there during the recent turmoil deserve a lot of credit. Ken From: Judith McCartney <jpoca2@hotmail.com> To: B Hower <b.hower3400@yahoo.com>; "Himes, Terry 397C" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>; Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com>; laurie Basile <laurieferrari@aol.com>; Effie Richards <erichards@zogob.sdcoxmail.com>; "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17   To who ever thinks we have done wrong by the club, show proof.  This is   Michael Shortt saying  we have done wrong, NO Proof in writing,  He has   said he will destroy POCA and is by his mouth causing all these   problems you allowing this to happen.   Time has come instead of saying we spend $8,000 dollars more than we   should have, come up with proof that we did.  The Color is a wonderful   Idea, we will do that, no question it will be in color if that is what   the members want.   Michael was talking, but no proof that the BOD has seen any thing in   writing.  So give up unless you can show that we have spend more than   should of.    Another way of  him creating trouble.  His calling people   names, which we have proof in writing who he called names too.  Just   remember the BOD works for the love the club, there is no money in the   job, so step up and try to a better job if you can do it better.   Other thing is you want it over the computer that didn't cost a cent,   Jack does that. No money with the printer, after he makes the   Newsletter and ready to send to the printer, he sends a copy to the   members who request it by email.   so lets put this problem to rest and pick up and go forward.   I've been in the club for 41 years we never had problems before.   Judith McCartney, Membership Director & Fun Rally coordinator.   Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:44:27 +0000   To: terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov; forestg@att.net; jjdetrich@gmail.com;   laurieferrari@aol.com   CC: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17   From: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com FWIW, Shouldn't we get a true figure on cost differences for both / each publica tion and manor of dispersing prior to any voting??  Bud #3400 ( Drive it like t here is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )       From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> To: Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net>; Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com>; "lau rieferrari@aol.com" <laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17   BUT....   Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want   paper!!    I would say they are in the minority.   Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a   member wants a paper copy of electronic copies.   Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day   after they arrive.   Same Same for the newsletter.  Let the members who want paper get them,   but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that   just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out..   IMHO.  Feel free to flame me.  ;-)   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,     stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"   Terry W. Himes   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory   Dawn Spacecraft Team   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead   Phone: (818) 393-6261   Cell:    (818) 653-8213   Fax:    (818) 393-3147   [1]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov   From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf   of Forest Goodhart <[3]forestg@att.net>   Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <[4]forestg@att.net>   Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM   To: Jeff Detrich <[5]jjdetrich@gmail.com>, "[6]laurieferrari@aol.com"   <[7]laurieferrari@aol.com>   Cc: "[8]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com"   <[9]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17   What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is   incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles.   With a true comparison the difference is pennies.         From: Jeff Detrich <[10]jjdetrich@gmail.com>   To: [11]laurieferrari@aol.com   Cc: [12]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com   Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17     On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso     <[1][13]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:       save $8,000     Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out   about     $10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to     keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now.     Jeff     6559   References     1. 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References   1. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso   2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso   3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I generally don't completely agree with how others do things, but I recognize that in many instances they are just trying to do what they think is best. If anyone (maybe not anyone) wants to step up and help, I suspect the BOD would be happy to receive the help. After the dust has settled, I suggest that those who see room to improve the club, and are willing to give their time, contact the BOD and offer their services. Personally, I think the people who hung in there during the recent turmoil deserve a lot of credit. Ken __________________________________________________________________ From: Judith McCartney <jpoca2@hotmail.com> To: B Hower <b.hower3400@yahoo.com>; "Himes, Terry 397C" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>; Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com>; laurie Basile <laurieferrari@aol.com>; Effie Richards <erichards@zogob.sdcoxmail.com>; "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 To who ever thinks we have done wrong by the club, show proof. This is Michael Shortt saying we have done wrong, NO Proof in writing, He has said he will destroy POCA and is by his mouth causing all these problems you allowing this to happen. Time has come instead of saying we spend $8,000 dollars more than we should have, come up with proof that we did. The Color is a wonderful Idea, we will do that, no question it will be in color if that is what the members want. Michael was talking, but no proof that the BOD has seen any thing in writing. So give up unless you can show that we have spend more than should of. Another way of him creating trouble. His calling people names, which we have proof in writing who he called names too. Just remember the BOD works for the love the club, there is no money in the job, so step up and try to a better job if you can do it better. Other thing is you want it over the computer that didn't cost a cent, Jack does that. No money with the printer, after he makes the Newsletter and ready to send to the printer, he sends a copy to the members who request it by email. so lets put this problem to rest and pick up and go forward. I've been in the club for 41 years we never had problems before. Judith McCartney, Membership Director & Fun Rally coordinator. Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:44:27 +0000 To: [1]terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov; [2]forestg@att.net; [3]jjdetrich@gmail.com; [4]laurieferrari@aol.com CC: [5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 From: [6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com FWIW, Shouldn't we get a true figure on cost differences for both / each publica tion and manor of dispersing prior to any voting?? Bud #3400 ( Drive it like t here is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <[7]terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> To: Forest Goodhart <[8]forestg@att.net>; Jeff Detrich <[9]jjdetrich@gmail.com>; "lau [10]rieferrari@aol.com" <[11]laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: "[12]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[13]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 BUT.... Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!! I would say they are in the minority. Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive. Same Same for the newsletter. Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out.. IMHO. Feel free to flame me. ;-) "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1][14]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov From: DeTomaso <[2][15]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Forest Goodhart <[3][16]forestg@att.net> Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <[4][17]forestg@att.net> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM To: Jeff Detrich <[5][18]jjdetrich@gmail.com>, "[6][19]laurieferrari@aol.com" <[7][20]laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: "[8][21]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[9][22]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles. With a true comparison the difference is pennies. From: Jeff Detrich <[10][23]jjdetrich@gmail.com> To: [11][24]laurieferrari@aol.com Cc: [12][25]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <[1][13][26]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: save $8,000 Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out about $10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now. Jeff 6559 References 1. [14]mailto:[27]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [15][28]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [16][1][29]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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