Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis
Be interesting to see how many people do not renew with POCA? Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S®4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com> </div><div>Date:05/28/2016 11:53 AM (GMT-08:00) </div><div>To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com </div><div>Cc: </div><div>Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis </div><div> </div> It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace period without notice. The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place. The return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven. Simply, use the money to pay for our publication costs. PROPOSED: $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 publication estimate – per MS. Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year. Carrying 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year. Divide that into 100,000 means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. OPINION: I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has proposed. Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for improvement. (Information taken from the President’s Blog.) It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace period without notice. The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place. The return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven. Simply, use the money to pay for our publication costs. PROPOSED: $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 publication estimate per MS. Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year. Carrying 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year. Divide that into 100,000 means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. OPINION: I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has proposed. Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for improvement. (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.) _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Be interesting to see how many people do not renew with POCA? Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S(R)4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com> Date:05/28/2016 11:53 AM (GMT-08:00) To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Cc: Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace period without notice. The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place. The return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven. Simply, use the money to pay for our publication costs. PROPOSED: $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 publication estimate - per MS. Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year. Carrying 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year. Divide that into 100,000 means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. OPINION: I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has proposed. Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for improvement. (Information taken from the President's Blog.) It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace period without notice. The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place. The return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven. Simply, use the money to pay for our publication costs. PROPOSED: $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 publication estimate per MS. Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year. Carrying 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year. Divide that into 100,000 means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. OPINION: I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has proposed. Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for improvement. (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.) _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
If POCA wants to know, they should ask when people don¹t renew. I think the rebate is a good thing. Most of the POCA events are going to be local anyway - club meetings, tech sessions, drives, track days, cookouts, etc. This helps build the local clubs, plus it gives people more reason to join. I think making the newsletter color is a waste, though. There¹s nothing wrong with the newsletter the way it is. On 5/28/16, 3:32 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of cuvee" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of cuvee@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Be interesting to see how many people do not renew with POCA?
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From: Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com>
Date:05/28/2016 11:53 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com
Cc:
Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis
It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace period without notice. The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place. The return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven. Simply, use the money to pay for our publication costs. PROPOSED: $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 publication estimate - per MS. Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year. Carrying 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year. Divide that into 100,000 means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. OPINION: I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has proposed. Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for improvement. (Information taken from the President's Blog.)
It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace period without notice. The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place. The return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven. Simply, use the money to pay for our publication costs. PROPOSED: $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 publication estimate per MS. Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year. Carrying 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year. Divide that into 100,000 means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. OPINION: I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has proposed. Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for improvement. (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.) _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________
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Will, thank you for your comments. I think a lot of us think the same way; just unfortunate that someone else thinks otherwise. I haven't figured out how going to color in the Newsletter is going to save money; that normally costs more. Considering going with a cheaper printer is asking for trouble as it will produce a cheaper product; currently we have a very good printer who works with us greatly. Judy -----Original Message----- From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com> To: cuvee <cuvee@sbcglobal.net>; Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com>; detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Sat, May 28, 2016 8:59 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis If POCA wants to know, they should ask when people don¹t renew. I think the rebate is a good thing. Most of the POCA events are going to be local anyway - club meetings, tech sessions, drives, track days, cookouts, etc. This helps build the local clubs, plus it gives people more reason to join. I think making the newsletter color is a waste, though. There¹s nothing wrong with the newsletter the way it is. On 5/28/16, 3:32 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of cuvee" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of cuvee@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Be interesting to see how many people do not renew with POCA?
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From: Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com>
Date:05/28/2016 11:53 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com
Cc:
Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis
It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace period without notice. The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place. The return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven. Simply, use the money to pay for our publication costs. PROPOSED: $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 publication estimate - per MS. Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year. Carrying 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year. Divide that into 100,000 means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. OPINION: I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has proposed. Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for improvement. (Information taken from the President's Blog.)
It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace period without notice. The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place. The return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven. Simply, use the money to pay for our publication costs. PROPOSED: $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 publication estimate per MS. Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year. Carrying 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year. Divide that into 100,000 means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. OPINION: I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has proposed. Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for improvement. (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.) _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________
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Be interesting to see how many people do not renew with POCA?
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From: Rod Kunishige <[3]rkunishige@hotmail.com>
Date:05/28/2016 11:53 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: [4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com
Cc:
Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis
It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace period without notice. The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place. The return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven. Simply, use the money to pay for our publication costs. PROPOSED: $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 publication estimate - per MS. Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year. Carrying 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year. Divide that into 100,000 means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. OPINION: I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has proposed. Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for improvement. (Information taken from the President's Blog.)
It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace period without notice. The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place. The return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven. Simply, use the money to pay for our publication costs. PROPOSED: $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 publication estimate per MS. Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year. Carrying 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year. Divide that into 100,000 means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. OPINION: I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has proposed. Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for improvement. (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.) _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________
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_______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Will, thank you for your comments. I think a lot of us think the same way; just unfortunate that someone else thinks otherwise. I haven't figured out how going to color in the Newsletter is going to save money; that normally costs more. Considering going with a cheaper printer is asking for trouble as it will produce a cheaper product; currently we have a very good printer who works with us greatly. Judy -----Original Message----- From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com> To: cuvee <cuvee@sbcglobal.net>; Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com>; detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Sat, May 28, 2016 8:59 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis If POCA wants to know, they should ask when people donA^1t renew. I think the rebate is a good thing. Most of the POCA events are going to be local anyway - club meetings, tech sessions, drives, track days, cookouts, etc. This helps build the local clubs, plus it gives people more reason to join. I think making the newsletter color is a waste, though. ThereA^1s nothing wrong with the newsletter the way it is. On 5/28/16, 3:32 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of cuvee" <detomaso-[1]bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of [2]cuvee@sbcglobal.net> wrote: list.
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Well I know when I look at the great picture of the car on the front and have to read the description to know it is say a deep red - I would have enjoyed seeing the actual color. Often the back page has some neat pictures I would also enjoy seeing in color. As to the cost rebidding something every so often makes complete sense. Any well run organization should do it. In a competitive world it often easy to get a better price with good quality if you ask. On Saturday, May 28, 2016, cuvee <cuvee@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Be interesting to see how many people do not renew with POCA?
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Date:05/28/2016 11:53 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;>
Cc:
Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis
It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace period without notice. The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place. The return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven. Simply, use the money to pay for our publication costs. PROPOSED: $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 publication estimate - per MS. Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year. Carrying 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year. Divide that into 100,000 means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. OPINION: I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has proposed. Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for improvement. (Information taken from the President's Blog.)
It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace period without notice. The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place. The return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven. Simply, use the money to pay for our publication costs. PROPOSED: $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 publication estimate per MS. Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year. Carrying 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year. Divide that into 100,000 means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. OPINION: I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has proposed. Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for improvement. (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.) _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
Well I know when I look at the great picture ofA the car on the front and have to read the description to know it is say a deep red - I would have enjoyed seeing the actual color.A Often the back page has some neat pictures I would also enjoy seeing in color. As to the cost rebidding something every so often makes complete sense.A Any wellA run organization should do it. In a competitive world it often easy to get a better price with good quality if you ask. On Saturday, May 28, 2016, cuvee <[1]cuvee@sbcglobal.net> wrote: A A Be interesting to see how many people do not renew with POCA? A A Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S(R)4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone A A -------- Original message -------- A A From: Rod Kunishige <[2]rkunishige@hotmail.com> A A Date:05/28/2016 11:53 AM (GMT-08:00) A A To: [3]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A Cc: A A Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis A A It is interesting that this President changed a generous A A grace period without notice. A A The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased A A rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place.A The A A return A A of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven.A Simply, use the money A A to A A pay for our publication costs. A A PROPOSED:A $75 dues A A less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 publication estimate A A - per A A MS. A A Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year.A Carrying A A 853 A A members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year.A Divide that into 100,000 means A A funding covers 46.5 YEARS. A A OPINION: A A I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to A A 4 vote but there I think that this is a better solution than what MS A A has A A proposed.A Finally, kudos goes to him A A for at least publishing the actions he intends to take so we may make A A positive A A suggestions for improvement. A A (Information taken from the President's Blog.) A A A It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace A A period A A A without notice. A A A The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased A A A rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place. A A The A A A return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven.A Simply, use A A A the money to pay for our publication costs. A A A PROPOSED:A $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the A A $62.52 A A A publication estimate per MS. A A A Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year.A Carrying A A A 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year.A Divide that into A A 100,000 A A A means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. A A A OPINION: A A A I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote A A but A A A there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has A A A proposed.A Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the A A A actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for A A A improvement. A A A (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.) A A _______________________________________________ A A Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA A A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes A A DeTomaso mailing list A A [4]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso A A To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) A A use the links above. A A Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any A A message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the A A list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive A A or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:cuvee@sbcglobal.net 2. javascript:; 3. javascript:; 4. javascript:; 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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