-------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/8/16, detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com <detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: Subject: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 8 To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Date: Monday, August 8, 2016, 12:00 PM Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to     detomaso@server.detomasolist.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit     http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to     detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com You can reach the person managing the list at     detomaso-owner@server.detomasolist.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." Daily Detomaso List Digest Today's Topics:    1. Re: latest numbers in AC that has been retrofitted to 134a?       (Asa Jay Laughton)    2. NPC: '78 Maserati Khamsin on Maseratisource (Mike Thomas)    3. 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up and Ford GT (Matt)    4. Re: Has anyone researched hood vent    designs?    (Dave    Londry)       (Charles Engles)    5. Re: 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up and Ford GT       (Julian Kift)    6. Re: 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up and Ford GT       (Dave Londry)    7. Re: 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up and Ford GT       (Dave Londry) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2016 09:07:11 -0700 From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] latest numbers in AC that has been retrofitted     to 134a? Message-ID: <57A75CAF.8080000@asajay.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"    I've not done A/C since my days in Automotive Technology school.  But    as I recall, the "goal" was to have 45F degrees at the vents.    38F at the vents sounds pretty darn good to me.  :)    Can you come and do mine?    Asa  Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [1]http://w7tsc.org [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com    On 8/7/2016 3:25 AM, Jeff Cobb wrote:    Jim,    How cold do you want to be?    You are almost as cold as Hillary Clinton's soul!    Remove tools and hang meat.    Jeff    On Aug 6, 2016, at 10:23 PM, Pantdino [3]<[1]pantdino@aol.com> wrote:    So at 83F ambient temp and 1500 rpm I see 7 psi on low side and 250 on    high.    I got one of those vent thermometers and it shows 35F at the vent.    Sounds pretty good to me     Or should I add a bit more 134?    -----Original Message-----    From: Pantdino [4]<[2]pantdino@aol.com>    To: jeffcobb1 [5]<[3]jeffcobb1@me.com>; detomaso    [6]<[4]detomaso@detomasolist.com>    Sent: Sat, Aug 6, 2016 12:23 pm    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] use sight glass in AC that has been retrofitted    to 134a?    Jeff,    I hooked up the high pressure side gauge and get these numbers:    before starting car, 100 psi both sides    after system settles down, at 1500 rpm, low side 7 psi, high side 225    psi.  As the car warmed the engine speed increased to maybe 1750 rpm    and the high side was creeping up to 240-250 but the low was staying at    5-7.    Ambient temp was 77F, so should be about 40-45 low side, 170 high side.    According to the info sheet, this "Hi side too high, low side too low"    situation would imply "blockage of expansion valve or orifice tube."    Would that be from having the R12 valve in a system now using 134?    I used my laser thermometer on the vents and got 20-40F, but I suspect    that kind of thermometer is not accurate for this application because    on my street car I got like 13F, which I think cannot be right.    Anyway, it seems to me if I add more 134 I run the risk of blowing the    high side hose at 3000 rpm and 85F temp.  Does that sound right?    I do have 15 12 oz cans of old school R12 I bought way back when, so I    could switch to R12, but I would have to take the car to have the 134    recycled, replace the dryer, put the system under vacuum, etc so would    like not to.    Thank you,    Jim    -----Original Message-----    From: JEFFREY COBB [7]<[5]jeffcobb1@me.com>    To: Pantdino [8]<[6]pantdino@aol.com>; detomaso    [9]<[7]detomaso@detomasolist.com>    Sent: Fri, Aug 5, 2016 3:37 am    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] use sight glass in AC that has been retrofitted    to 134a?    Jim,    All cars use different  pressures and for examples this week we did a/c    work on a 124 Fiat, many Benz-Bmws-Toyotas, a 71 e-type, Ford +Chevy    trucks, a Cobra kit car and a Mangusta.    But basic pressures at 1,500 rpm with cooling fans on and on high, with    both windows open, rear and front hatch closed, high fan and not on    recirc should be about 35 + - low side and 250 + - high. Seems like a    7:1 ratio works the best. Converted systems do need different numbers    but never too much of a change. So your low range should vary from 20    to 38 psi and the high 210 to 260 psi as long as above written    parameters are meet. The proper pressures will equate to the coolest    temps. You have to note that and remember you are just setting the vent    output for the coolest temp not some pre-considered ideal temp you hope    for.    About 30 % of all of our a/c fixes are fixing the stuck on heaters. We    are in hot Louisiana, make sure your heater is truly shut off by doing    a liquid test.    Do use the correct oil and add 2 oz if you are not sure of how much is    in. You can always expel the working high side into a cloth or jug for    2 seconds to get an idea if you are oily enough. A lot of spit    indicates fine but dry expelled gas needs oil.     Keep cool,    Jeff    Jeff Cobb- I pad    W-225-343-7525    C-225-907-4514    Jeff Cobb Auto Works    1316 S. Acadian Thruway    Baton Rouge, La.    70806    [8]www.LiveOakConcours.org    On Aug 4, 2016, at 11:05 PM, Pantdino [10]<[9]pantdino@aol.com> wrote:    Hi, Jeff,    What should the pressures be?    Thank you,    Jim    -----Original Message-----    From: Jeff Cobb [11]<[10]jeffcobb1@me.com>    To: Pantdino [12]<[11]pantdino@aol.com>; detomaso    [13]<[12]detomaso@detomasolist.com>    Cc: Jeff Cobb [14]<[13]jeffcobb1@me.com>    Sent: Thu, Aug 4, 2016 6:55 pm    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] use sight glass in AC that has been retrofitted    to 134a?    The sight glass is always used as a reference point. You must go by the    dual gauges.    Never by the low side only.    Jeff Cobb    On Aug 4, 2016, at 8:44 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso    [15]<[14]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:    > After switching the AC system to 134a, do you use the sight glass in    > the dryer or go by the pressure at the low pressure port like with    > modern cars?    >    > Sorry, but I don't recall what I learned several years ago when I    > switched the system over.    >    > Jim Oddie    > _______________________________________________    >    >    > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA    > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes    > DeTomaso mailing list    > [[16]15]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com    > [16][17]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso    >    > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)    use the links above.    >    > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward    any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the    list. 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Checked by AVG - [36]www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7752 / Virus Database: 4633/12767 - Release Date: 08/07/16 References    1. http://w7tsc.org/    2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/    3. mailto:[1]pantdino@aol.com    4. mailto:[2]pantdino@aol.com    5. mailto:[3]jeffcobb1@me.com    6. mailto:[4]detomaso@detomasolist.com    7. mailto:[5]jeffcobb1@me.com    8. mailto:[6]pantdino@aol.com    9. mailto:[7]detomaso@detomasolist.com   10. mailto:[9]pantdino@aol.com   11. mailto:[10]jeffcobb1@me.com   12. mailto:[11]pantdino@aol.com   13. mailto:[12]detomaso@detomasolist.com   14. mailto:[13]jeffcobb1@me.com   15. mailto:[14]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com   16. mailto:15]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com   17. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso   18. mailto:pantdino@aol.com   19. mailto:pantdino@aol.com   20. mailto:jeffcobb1@me.com   21. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com   22. mailto:jeffcobb1@me.com   23. mailto:pantdino@aol.com   24. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com   25. http://www.liveoakconcours.org/   26. mailto:pantdino@aol.com   27. mailto:jeffcobb1@me.com   28. mailto:pantdino@aol.com   29. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com   30. mailto:jeffcobb1@me.com   31. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com   32. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com   33. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso   34. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com   35. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso   36. http://www.avg.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 11:06:54 -0700 From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas@comcast.net> To: <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: '78 Maserati Khamsin on Maseratisource Message-ID: <05a101d1f0d6$7b679ab0$7236d010$@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii" A very original Maserati Khamsin Ebay listing sent out by Masertisource. Very original, but definitely not flawless.  Pretty car, except for the butt-ugly US bumpers.  The front looks like it's choking on a hockey puck, the back is just a visual mess between the PANTERA tail lights, and the rubber transom of a bumper.  It is the perfect color though. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maserati-KHAMSIN-Base-Coupe-2-Door-/401164735310?for cerrptr=true&hash=item5d6748134e:g:sxQAAOSwhOdXoe8V&item=401164735310 Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 11:48:56 -0700 From: Matt <nwpantera@gmail.com> To: Pantera Mail List <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up and Ford GT Message-ID:     <CAAygGO-+eJ5mU5UFArxKv6uCGrR1CxxPbBoXpwoFdj9ZCy1otA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I went to go inspect the car today. It was next door in the detailing shop. The sales guy, John Zuberek, could not gain access since they were closed. He reminded me of Tom Cruise in Risky Business, dealing Lambos! So he is going to email me when it's done and I can go back for a look next week. He also said they have an interested buyer(don't they all?),which may explain the detailing. They must have 20 Lamborghini's just that I could see and some other speciality cars too. Millions of dollars worth of cars. I felt like I walked into a bank vault. I felt a little out of my comfort zone but we talked and he filled me in on the different Lambo models and car stuff in general.They sell between 15-30 cars a month and cater to Lambo buyers primarily. They claim to be one of the biggest Lambo dealers around. He said the owner, Roy Cats, has a special place in his heart for Panteras though. He indicated Roy had recently found another car he's purchasing soon. Stay tuned. John also said they feel the market is surging for Panteras right now. Duh! But in the same breath he added "it's like the stock market ,who knows?". They did have a car I would take over all the rest though, a 2006 Ford GT in Gulf livery. So I took a few pics for you. I haven't tried attaching pics yet so please let me know PM if they don't show up and I'll find another way to post. Let you know what I find out about the Pantera later this week. Matt 3584 http://www.catsexotics.com/vehicle-details/1973-detomaso- pantera-luxury-lynnwood-wa-id-14348375