Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 35
Terry, quite a bit of the 'required' torque depends on what valve cover gaskets you use. The old stand-by- cork- will slowly crush down close to each bolt even if correctly torqued, which not only produces leaks, retightening also will eventually pinch the gaskett into pieces, making reuse or further retightening impossible. Too little torque plus blow-by can blow sections of gasket outside the covers, or sometimes suck pieces inside. It also depends on what valve covers you have; the OEM sheet steel ones are extremely flexible and really need large oblong washers under each bolt to spread the load. Cast aluminum ones are heavier and more rigid so bolt torque is effectively spread out. Overtorquing cast covers will break the bolts. Neoprene gaskets can take a little more torque than cork before tightening will damage them. Its a toss-up as to whether the bolt will shear or the gasket will leak. Note- all the above also applies to oil pan gaskets. A couple of companies offer pre-formed silicone gaskets that are (maybe) infinitely reusable with a little RTV on one side. One type is lined with metal to prevent suck-in or blow-outs. They are expensive. Good luck- J Deryke -----Original Message----- From: detomaso-request <detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com> To: detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2016 9:00 am Subject: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 35 Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to detomaso@server.detomasolist.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com You can reach the person managing the list at detomaso-owner@server.detomasolist.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." Daily Detomaso List Digest Today's Topics: 1. 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Re: Boyd Coddington 10-Spoke Wheels and Tires for sale - Sale Pending (Brent Stewart) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:59:11 -0700 From: audionut@hushmail.com To: "Trip Owen" <lance730@msn.com>, detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Carb Message-ID: <20160928175911.7F6D84010F@smtp.hushmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Just bolted on Larry Stock's (Pantera Parts Connection) Quick Fuel 650 a few months ago and my stock motor loves it. Didn't have to adjust a thing. Sent using Hushmail On September 27, 2016 at 3:29 PM, "Trip Owen" wrote:Can someone suggest a carb. for stock 351 Cleveland with Edelbrock intake? My old Holly is not delivering fuel - I know its getting there - checked front float, was not stuck.......did the usual - inline filter, pump check, carb. filter........ don't want fancy upgrade - just plug and play is fine - Trip 88' GT5S Terry, quite a bit of the 'required' torque depends on what valve cover gaskets you use. The old stand-by- cork- will slowly crush down close to each bolt even if correctly torqued, which not only produces leaks, retightening also will eventually pinch the gaskett into pieces, making reuse or further retightening impossible. Too little torque plus blow-by can blow sections of gasket outside the covers, or sometimes suck pieces inside. It also depends on what valve covers you have; the OEM sheet steel ones are extremely flexible and really need large oblong washers under each bolt to spread the load. Cast aluminum ones are heavier and more rigid so bolt torque is effectively spread out. Overtorquing cast covers will break the bolts. Neoprene gaskets can take a little more torque than cork before tightening will damage them. Its a toss-up as to whether the bolt will shear or the gasket will leak. Note- all the above also applies to oil pan gaskets. A couple of companies offer pre-formed silicone gaskets that are (maybe) infinitely reusable with a little RTV on one side. One type is lined with metal to prevent suck-in or blow-outs. They are expensive. Good luck- J Deryke -----Original Message----- From: detomaso-request <detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com> To: detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2016 9:00 am Subject: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 35 Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to [1]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to detomaso-[3]request@server.detomasolist.com You can reach the person managing the list at detomaso-[4]owner@server.detomasolist.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." Daily Detomaso List Digest Today's Topics: 1. Re: Carb ([5]audionut@hushmail.com) 2. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) 3. Boyd Coddington 10-Spoke Wheels and Tires for sale - $1200 (Brent Stewart) 4. Re: Boyd Coddington 10-Spoke Wheels and Tires for sale - $1200 (JFFR) 5. Re: Boyd Coddington 10-Spoke Wheels and Tires for sale - $1200 (Mike Thomas) 6. Beautiful Gr4 clone for sale (Mike Drew) 7. Re: Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque? (Guido deTomaso) 8. Re: Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque? (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.) 9. Original EU GTS for sale in Germany (Patrick HALS) 10. Re: Boyd Coddington 10-Spoke Wheels and Tires for sale - Sale Pending (Brent Stewart) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:59:11 -0700 From: [6]audionut@hushmail.com To: "Trip Owen" <[7]lance730@msn.com>, [8]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Carb Message-ID: <[9]20160928175911.7F6D84010F@smtp.hushmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Just bolted on Larry Stock's (Pantera Parts Connection) Quick Fuel 650 a few months ago and my stock motor loves it. Didn't have to adjust a thing. Sent using Hushmail On September 27, 2016 at 3:29 PM, "Trip Owen" wrote:Can someone suggest a carb. for stock 351 Cleveland with Edelbrock intake? My old Holly is not delivering fuel - I know its getting there - checked front float, was not stuck.......did the usual - inline filter, pump check, carb. filter........ don't want fancy upgrade - just plug and play is fine - Trip 88' GT5S
Hey Pantera Guru's, I finally got to my Pantera last night. (work is getting in the way of my fun!!) Simple fix. ALL my valve cover bolts were loose. Every one of
I tightened them all but didn't want to over tighten them. Anyone know what the correct torque should be? I have roller rockers and the taller Ford Racing valve covers for clearance. Your thoughts? Terry
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Jack & Everyone (et al), Thanks for al the great feedback. I have tightened the valve cover bolts to the "Mechanics Feel" specification. (taking me back to my dad and working on Ford Fairlane 289's while growing up). The oil leaks have stopped. Weird that ALL bolts were loose. I'll put that on my checklist now. I do not know what type of gasket was used when they rebuilt my engine. And Ed Hale Racing is out of business now. By looking at the edges I can tell it is not cork and looks like a combo of rubber (neoprene?) and metal. Dunno? Someday I will need to remove the valve covers. But for now, I'm going to "drive her like there's no tomorrow" right? ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> 🇺🇸 From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Reply-To: "jderyke@aol.com<mailto:jderyke@aol.com>" <jderyke@aol.com<mailto:jderyke@aol.com>> Date: Thursday, September 29, 2016 11:20 AM To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 35 Terry, quite a bit of the 'required' torque depends on what valve cover gaskets you use. The old stand-by- cork- will slowly crush down close to each bolt even if correctly torqued, which not only produces leaks, retightening also will eventually pinch the gaskett into pieces, making reuse or further retightening impossible. Too little torque plus blow-by can blow sections of gasket outside the covers, or sometimes suck pieces inside. It also depends on what valve covers you have; the OEM sheet steel ones are extremely flexible and really need large oblong washers under each bolt to spread the load. Cast aluminum ones are heavier and more rigid so bolt torque is effectively spread out. Overtorquing cast covers will break the bolts. Neoprene gaskets can take a little more torque than cork before tightening will damage them. Its a toss-up as to whether the bolt will shear or the gasket will leak. Note- all the above also applies to oil pan gaskets. A couple of companies offer pre-formed silicone gaskets that are (maybe) infinitely reusable with a little RTV on one side. One type is lined with metal to prevent suck-in or blow-outs. They are expensive. Good luck- J Deryke -----Original Message----- From: detomaso-request <detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com>> To: detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2016 9:00 am Subject: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 35 Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com> You can reach the person managing the list at detomaso-owner@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-owner@server.detomasolist.com> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." Daily Detomaso List Digest Today's Topics: 1. 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Re: Boyd Coddington 10-Spoke Wheels and Tires for sale - Sale Pending (Brent Stewart) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:59:11 -0700 From: audionut@hushmail.com<mailto:audionut@hushmail.com> To: "Trip Owen" <lance730@msn.com<mailto:lance730@msn.com>>, detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Carb Message-ID: <20160928175911.7F6D84010F@smtp.hushmail.com<mailto:20160928175911.7F6D84010F@smtp.hushmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Just bolted on Larry Stock's (Pantera Parts Connection) Quick Fuel 650 a few months ago and my stock motor loves it. Didn't have to adjust a thing. Sent using Hushmail On September 27, 2016 at 3:29 PM, "Trip Owen" wrote:Can someone suggest a carb. for stock 351 Cleveland with Edelbrock intake? My old Holly is not delivering fuel - I know its getting there - checked front float, was not stuck.......did the usual - inline filter, pump check, carb. filter........ don't want fancy upgrade - just plug and play is fine - Trip 88' GT5S -------------- next part -------------- Just bolted on Larry Stock's (Pantera Parts Connection) Quick Fuel 650 a few months ago and my stock motor loves it. Didn't have to adjust a thing. Sent using Hushmail On September 27, 2016 at 3:29 PM, "Trip Owen" <lance730@msn.com<mailto:lance730@msn.com>> wrote: Can someone suggest a carb. for stock 351 Cleveland with Edelbrock intake? My old Holly is not delivering fuel - I know its getting there - checked front float, was not stuck.......did the usual - inline filter, pump check, carb. filter........ don't want fancy upgrade - just plug and play is fine - Trip 88' GT5S ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:21:25 -0700 From: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> To: Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <373705D8-58A8-4BC7-9ED6-F18AB52B90F6@gmail.com<mailto:373705D8-58A8-4BC7-9ED6-F18AB52B90F6@gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey Larry - Did you get my letter (offline from The List) regarding my radiator/fans/shroud? If it jams you up - or whatever - I can post it here on The List. Jack #4348 On Sep 16, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>> wrote: Hi Jack, You should be able to use the fans off the Fluidyne, if not we have our Maridyne system fans and our own bracket kit and if you need shrouds for a full lie-down system, we have those too. Typically we recommend our half Lay forward system which minimizes the thru air turbulence. 11041B Defl. Rad. S.S. Lay down for kit $95.00 11042B Stainless deflector right $65.00 11043B Stainless deflector left $65.00 11055B Radiator Puller Fan Shroud SS Mounting brackets set of 3 $125.00 11055P PPC Puller Fans & Shroud Assy $325.00 If the Hall Brass radiator has the stock quick 90 degree hard radiator tubes installed, you will not be able to mount a puller fan shroud under those tubes, if it has the straight out tubes then you can use 90 degree molded rubber hoses to clear the Puller shroud like your Fluidyne. Larry Stock Pantera Parts Connection LC 550 Mallory Way Carson City NV 89701 www.PanteraParts.com PH 775-283-4411 Fax 775-283-4410 Cell 1-800-DeTomaso 800-338-6627 On 9/16/16, 9:29 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack Donahue" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> wrote: Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 19:30:54 +0000 (UTC) From: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart@yahoo.com<mailto:bjbstewart@yahoo.com>> To: Detomaso Email List <detomaso@detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Boyd Coddington 10-Spoke Wheels and Tires for sale - $1200 Message-ID: <753450431.6325176.1475091054822@mail.yahoo.com<mailto:753450431.6325176.1475091054822@mail.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" All,.10 spoke 17" Billet aluminum wheels in EXCELLENT condition with virtually brand new Kumho Ecsta XS tires.?See: ?http://precisionproformance.com/superspoke.php.? - Front: 225/45 ZR17? - Rear: 315/35 ZR17.I'm in the SF Bay Area, but for you So-cal people I'll be in Santa Barbara on Nov 6th and can meet you there in the morning - can't beat free delivery!.I've also posted this on FaceBook -?https://www.facebook.com/groups/1107612195932654/permalink/1472243849469485/... .Let me know if you have any questions!!.brent.. -------------- next part -------------- All, . 10 spoke 17" Billet aluminum wheels in EXCELLENT condition with virtually brand new Kumho Ecsta XS tires. See: [1]http://precisionproformance.com/superspoke.php . - Front: 225/45 ZR17 - Rear: 315/35 ZR17 . I'm in the SF Bay Area, but for you So-cal people I'll be in Santa Barbara on Nov 6th and can meet you there in the morning - can't beat free delivery! . I've also posted this on FaceBook - [2]https://www.facebook.com/groups/1107612195932654/permalink/147224384 9469485/?sale_post_id=1472243849469485 . Let me know if you have any questions!! . brent . . References 1. http://precisionproformance.com/superspoke.php 2. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1107612195932654/permalink/1472243849469485/... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: wheels.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 52873 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://server.detomasolist.com/pipermail/detomaso/attachments/20160928/0357ff07/attachment-0001.jpg> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 15:19:35 -0700 From: JFFR <pantera@vtc.net<mailto:pantera@vtc.net>> To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Boyd Coddington 10-Spoke Wheels and Tires for sale - $1200 Message-ID: <13e9f4c3-e527-9c44-f6c4-8ae1d655a5df@vtc.net<mailto:13e9f4c3-e527-9c44-f6c4-8ae1d655a5df@vtc.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Will these wheels fit a stock body car? If so, I am interested. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 18:23:54 -0700 From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas@comcast.net<mailto:mbefthomas@comcast.net>> To: "'JFFR'" <pantera@vtc.net<mailto:pantera@vtc.net>>, <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Boyd Coddington 10-Spoke Wheels and Tires for sale - $1200 Message-ID: <005501d219f0$251bf3c0$6f53db40$@comcast.net<mailto:005501d219f0$251bf3c0$6f53db40$@comcast.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I know the tires will, so expect the wheels will. That's what's in the picture That's $200 for the wheels - those tires ran me $997 installed at Discount tires when I put them on 6328 last year. Great tires, but not when it's wet. Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of JFFR Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 3:20 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Boyd Coddington 10-Spoke Wheels and Tires for sale - $1200 Will these wheels fit a stock body car? If so, I am interested. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 20:43:14 -0700 From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew@aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>> To: Jim Wallace via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Beautiful Gr4 clone for sale Message-ID: <550A70F7-5378-436E-965F-8F5DAC5194C9@aol.com<mailto:550A70F7-5378-436E-965F-8F5DAC5194C9@aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi guys, Longtime PCNC member Lee Hinkley has decided to sell his little-used Gr4 clone. This car was built 30 years ago but still looks terrific! He has an ad in the current PCNC newsletter which can be downloaded from www.panteraclubnorcal.com Asking price is $90k but negotiable. Happy shopping! Mike Sent from my iPad ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 04:03:12 +0000 (UTC) From: Guido deTomaso <guido_detomaso@prodigy.net<mailto:guido_detomaso@prodigy.net>> To: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf@embarqmail.com<mailto:byrdjf@embarqmail.com>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque? Message-ID: <1367266947.1303792.1475121792191@mail.yahoo.com<mailto:1367266947.1303792.1475121792191@mail.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Late to the party but I can't believe the sheet metal valve covers are "pushing down" with ~4.5 tons of force.? Visualize lifting a 4.5 ton vehicle off the ground by?one valve cover ( hook a hoist to the oil filler hole ? ) I mean, come on. GD From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf@embarqmail.com<mailto:byrdjf@embarqmail.com>> To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque? Not something I worked with, BUT Assuming the valve cover gasket has an effective diameter of 23? and 0.3? wide. Using neoprene cork with 30% compression at 400 psi loading The torque to provide 30% compression would be 4.7 ft-lbs. Given the gasket will be compressing as the next bolt is tighten, several passes at desired torque till no rotation would be needed. Each of the 8 bolts would be pushing down 1,100 lbf for a total of 8,900 lbf per valve cover The ?normal? ?-20 torque resulting in a bolt loading of 45Kpsi (high grade bolt) would be 6.3 ft-lbs? Sort of a rule of thumb I have observed, If allen, using a long key with the short arm for torquing, using the thumb and index finger only provides the max torque Sorry for my ramblings, Joe -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 20:01 PM To: 'detomasolist' Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque? I haven't been able to find on line, so if someone knows the dimensions of a valve cover gasket (length, width, width) I would appreciate. I am now curious and need to calculate! BTW, 10ft-lbs just for a 1/4-20 seems pretty high.? That should have the bolt torque sufficient to prevent backing off (once retorqued after gasket relaxed) -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Dave Londry Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 19:24 PM To: detomasolist Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque? My collection of other peoples Torque info, these 2 agree at 10 ft.lb. Needs a 1/4 drive torque wrench - you're in the weeds with the tension spring fully unwound if you use 3/8. (I have a bunch nor added yet - another roundtuit job) Dave On 2016-09-14 12:36 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote: ? ? Hey Pantera Guru's, ? ? I finally got to my Pantera last night. (work is getting in the way of ? ? my fun!!) ? ? Simple fix.? ALL my valve cover bolts were loose.? Every one of them. ? ? I tightened them all ? ? but didn't want to over tighten them.? Anyone know what the correct ? ? torque should be? ? ? I have roller rockers and the taller Ford Racing valve covers for ? ? clearance. ? ? Your thoughts? ? ? Terry ? ? "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, ? ? ? stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" ? ? Terry W. Himes ? ? JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory ? ? Dawn Spacecraft Team ? ? Rosetta Sequence Team Lead ? ? Phone: (818) 393-6261 ? ? Cell:? ? (818) 653-8213 ? ? Fax:? ? (818) 393-3147 ? ? [1]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> References ? ? 1.mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Late to the party but I can't believe the sheet metal valve covers are "pushing down" with ~4.5 tons of force. Visualize lifting a 4.5 ton vehicle off the ground by one valve cover ( hook a hoist to the oil filler hole ? ) I mean, come on. GD __________________________________________________________________ From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf@embarqmail.com<mailto:byrdjf@embarqmail.com>> To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque? Not something I worked with, BUT Assuming the valve cover gasket has an effective diameter of 23a and 0.3a wide. Using neoprene cork with 30% compression at 400 psi loading The torque to provide 30% compression would be 4.7 ft-lbs. Given the gasket will be compressing as the next bolt is tighten, several passes at desired torque till no rotation would be needed. Each of the 8 bolts would be pushing down 1,100 lbf for a total of 8,900 lbf per valve cover The anormala A 1/4-20 torque resulting in a bolt loading of 45Kpsi (high grade bolt) would be 6.3 ft-lbs Sort of a rule of thumb I have observed, If allen, using a long key with the short arm for torquing, using the thumb and index finger only provides the max torque Sorry for my ramblings, Joe -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 20:01 PM To: 'detomasolist' Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque? I haven't been able to find on line, so if someone knows the dimensions of a valve cover gasket (length, width, width) I would appreciate. I am now curious and need to calculate! BTW, 10ft-lbs just for a 1/4-20 seems pretty high. That should have the bolt torque sufficient to prevent backing off (once retorqued after gasket relaxed) -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Dave Londry Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 19:24 PM To: detomasolist Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque? My collection of other peoples Torque info, these 2 agree at 10 ft.lb. Needs a 1/4 drive torque wrench - you're in the weeds with the tension spring fully unwound if you use 3/8. (I have a bunch nor added yet - another roundtuit job) Dave On 2016-09-14 12:36 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote: them. the links above.
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I tightened them all but didn't want to over tighten them. Anyone know what the correct torque should be? I have roller rockers and the taller Ford Racing valve covers for clearance. Your thoughts? Terry
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References 1. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov 4. mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov 5. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 7. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 9. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 10. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 00:50:28 -0400 From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf@embarqmail.com<mailto:byrdjf@embarqmail.com>> To: <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque? Message-ID: <001601d21a0d$00beb180$023c1480$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Well, I have been known to provide answers with gross errors just to see if any one actually cares. I just plugged the bolt sizes into calc sheet I had used for other gasketed joints. But as a sanity check here is a generic torque/clamping load chart for small bolts including ? 20 http://www.spaenaur.com/pdf/sectionD/D48.pdf Joe/5177 From: Guido deTomaso [mailto:guido_detomaso@prodigy.net] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 0:03 AM To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque? Late to the party but I can't believe the sheet metal valve covers are "pushing down" with ~4.5 tons of force. Visualize lifting a 4.5 ton vehicle off the ground by one valve cover ( hook a hoist to the oil filler hole ? ) I mean, come on. GD _____ From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf@embarqmail.com<mailto:byrdjf@embarqmail.com>> To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque? Not something I worked with, BUT Assuming the valve cover gasket has an effective diameter of 23? and 0.3? wide. Using neoprene cork with 30% compression at 400 psi loading The torque to provide 30% compression would be 4.7 ft-lbs. Given the gasket will be compressing as the next bolt is tighten, several passes at desired torque till no rotation would be needed. Each of the 8 bolts would be pushing down 1,100 lbf for a total of 8,900 lbf per valve cover The ?normal? ?-20 torque resulting in a bolt loading of 45Kpsi (high grade bolt) would be 6.3 ft-lbs Sort of a rule of thumb I have observed, If allen, using a long key with the short arm for torquing, using the thumb and index finger only provides the max torque Sorry for my ramblings, Joe -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 20:01 PM To: 'detomasolist' Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque? I haven't been able to find on line, so if someone knows the dimensions of a valve cover gasket (length, width, width) I would appreciate. I am now curious and need to calculate! BTW, 10ft-lbs just for a 1/4-20 seems pretty high. That should have the bolt torque sufficient to prevent backing off (once retorqued after gasket relaxed) -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Dave Londry Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 19:24 PM To: detomasolist Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque? My collection of other peoples Torque info, these 2 agree at 10 ft.lb. Needs a 1/4 drive torque wrench - you're in the weeds with the tension spring fully unwound if you use 3/8. (I have a bunch nor added yet - another roundtuit job) Dave On 2016-09-14 12:36 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote: Hey Pantera Guru's, I finally got to my Pantera last night. (work is getting in the way of my fun!!) Simple fix. ALL my valve cover bolts were loose. Every one of them. I tightened them all but didn't want to over tighten them. Anyone know what the correct torque should be? I have roller rockers and the taller Ford Racing valve covers for clearance. Your thoughts? Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> References 1.mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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But as a sanity check here is a generic torque/clamping load chart for small bolts including 1/4 20 http://www.spaenaur.com/pdf/sectionD/D48.pdf Joe/5177 From: Guido deTomaso [mailto:guido_detomaso@prodigy.net] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 0:03 AM To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque? Late to the party but I can't believe the sheet metal valve covers are "pushing down" with ~4.5 tons of force. Visualize lifting a 4.5 ton vehicle off the ground by one valve cover ( hook a hoist to the oil filler hole ? ) I mean, come on. GD _______________________________________________________________________ From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[1]byrdjf@embarqmail.com<mailto:byrdjf@embarqmail.com>> To: [2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque? Not something I worked with, BUT Assuming the valve cover gasket has an effective diameter of 23" and 0.3" wide. Using neoprene cork with 30% compression at 400 psi loading The torque to provide 30% compression would be 4.7 ft-lbs. Given the gasket will be compressing as the next bolt is tighten, several passes at desired torque till no rotation would be needed. Each of the 8 bolts would be pushing down 1,100 lbf for a total of 8,900 lbf per valve cover The "normal" 1/4-20 torque resulting in a bolt loading of 45Kpsi (high grade bolt) would be 6.3 ft-lbs Sort of a rule of thumb I have observed, If allen, using a long key with the short arm for torquing, using the thumb and index finger only provides the max torque Sorry for my ramblings, Joe -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[3]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 20:01 PM To: 'detomasolist' Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque? I haven't been able to find on line, so if someone knows the dimensions of a valve cover gasket (length, width, width) I would appreciate. I am now curious and need to calculate! BTW, 10ft-lbs just for a 1/4-20 seems pretty high. That should have the bolt torque sufficient to prevent backing off (once retorqued after gasket relaxed) -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[4]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Dave Londry Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 19:24 PM To: detomasolist Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: Oil Leak Fixed. What Torque? My collection of other peoples Torque info, these 2 agree at 10 ft.lb. Needs a 1/4 drive torque wrench - you're in the weeds with the tension spring fully unwound if you use 3/8. 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The manager is a real fan of panteras, and has been racing factory 2873 at Le Mans Classic at least twice The car was very clean, fully restored, and moderately priced for a Euro GTS ( 119.000 euros, i.e. 133.500 USD ) The car sold in three days.... Best to all ! Patrick Candy 2862 - ADA 9628 - EU GTS 2902 -------------- next part -------------- Further to Mike Drew's post on the Forum, I informed about that red EU GTS for sale at Thiesen in Hambourg. The manager is a real fan of panteras, and has been racing factory 2873 at Le Mans Classic at least twice The car was very clean, fully restored, andA moderatelyA priced for a Euro GTS ( 119.000 euros, i.e. 133.500 USD )A The car sold in three days....A Best to all !A Patrick Candy 2862 - ADA 9628 - EU GTS 2902 ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 15:28:41 +0000 (UTC) From: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart@yahoo.com<mailto:bjbstewart@yahoo.com>> To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Boyd Coddington 10-Spoke Wheels and Tires for sale - Sale Pending Message-ID: <1371617542.6826494.1475162921215@mail.yahoo.com<mailto:1371617542.6826494.1475162921215@mail.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" .All,Thanks very much for all the interest! ?Perhaps I should have priced them a little higher :-).Anyway, I have a pending sale, but will let you know if anything changes..Thanks!brent. On Wednesday, September 28, 2016 6:24 PM, Mike Thomas <mbefthomas@comcast.net<mailto:mbefthomas@comcast.net>> wrote: I know the tires will, so expect the wheels will.? That's what's in the picture That's $200 for the wheels - those tires ran me $997 installed at Discount tires when I put them on 6328 last year.? Great tires, but not when it's wet. Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of JFFR Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 3:20 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Boyd Coddington 10-Spoke Wheels and Tires for sale - $1200 Will these wheels fit a stock body car? 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On Wednesday, September 28, 2016 6:24 PM, Mike Thomas <mbefthomas@comcast.net<mailto:mbefthomas@comcast.net>> wrote: I know the tires will, so expect the wheels will. That's what's in the picture That's $200 for the wheels - those tires ran me $997 installed at Discount tires when I put them on 6328 last year. Great tires, but not when it's wet. Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest Yellow '74 #6328 -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of JFFR Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 3:20 PM To: [2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Boyd Coddington 10-Spoke Wheels and Tires for sale - $1200 Will these wheels fit a stock body car? 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ End of DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 35 ***************************************** Jack & Everyone (et al), Thanks for al the great feedback. I have tightened the valve cover bolts to the "Mechanics Feel" specification. (taking me back to my dad and working on Ford Fairlane 289's while growing up). The oil leaks have stopped. Weird that ALL bolts were loose. I'll put that on my checklist now. I do not know what type of gasket was used when they rebuilt my engine. And Ed Hale Racing is out of business now. By looking at the edges I can tell it is not cork and looks like a combo of rubber (neoprene?) and metal. Dunno? Someday I will need to remove the valve covers. But for now, I'm going to "drive her like there's no tomorrow" right? ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso <[3]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Reply-To: "[4]jderyke@aol.com" <[5]jderyke@aol.com> Date: Thursday, September 29, 2016 11:20 AM To: "[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 35 Terry, quite a bit of the 'required' torque depends on what valve cover gaskets you use. The old stand-by- cork- will slowly crush down close to each bolt even if correctly torqued, which not only produces leaks, retightening also will eventually pinch the gaskett into pieces, making reuse or further retightening impossible. Too little torque plus blow-by can blow sections of gasket outside the covers, or sometimes suck pieces inside. It also depends on what valve covers you have; the OEM sheet steel ones are extremely flexible and really need large oblong washers under each bolt to spread the load. Cast aluminum ones are heavier and more rigid so bolt torque is effectively spread out. Overtorquing cast covers will break the bolts. Neoprene gaskets can take a little more torque than cork before tightening will damage them. Its a toss-up as to whether the bolt will shear or the gasket will leak. Note- all the above also applies to oil pan gaskets. A couple of companies offer pre-formed silicone gaskets that are (maybe) infinitely reusable with a little RTV on one side. 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Re: Boyd Coddington 10-Spoke Wheels and Tires for sale - Sale Pending (Brent Stewart) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:59:11 -0700 From: [15]audionut@hushmail.com To: "Trip Owen" <[16]lance730@msn.com>, [17]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Carb Message-ID: <[18]20160928175911.7F6D84010F@smtp.hushmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Just bolted on Larry Stock's (Pantera Parts Connection) Quick Fuel 650 a few months ago and my stock motor loves it. Didn't have to adjust a thing. Sent using Hushmail On September 27, 2016 at 3:29 PM, "Trip Owen" wrote:Can someone suggest a carb. for stock 351 Cleveland with Edelbrock intake? My old Holly is not delivering fuel - I know its getting there - checked front float, was not stuck.......did the usual - inline filter, pump check, carb. filter........ don't want fancy upgrade - just plug and play is fine - Trip 88' GT5S
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