"Is it possible that the car being on jack stands could have tweaked the car enough to cause the glass to bind as it re-tweaked to its natural state?" "Does anybody think it has anything to do with it being on jack stands prior to glass entry" Rob what is probably nagging your subconsciousness is the idea that the rear glass is a part vital to the structural integrity of the car, and without it being in place the shape will change during jacking. I'm no engineer but that idea sounds absurd and you should eliminate it from your trouble shooting thought process. Sure they flex some, but rather the idea of an imperfection in the seating like Mike D. said sounds more plausible. Is the opening entirely straight sitting on the ground? Is there extreme heat near the suspect cracked areas? Was the glass properly de-burred of all sharp edges? Do you have a seat belt bar mounted to the firewall that might be preloading it? Just shots in the dark. Best of luck, Matt 3584 "Is it possible thatA the car being on jack stands could have tweaked the car enough to cause A A the glass to bind as it re-tweaked to its natural state?" "Does anybody think it has anything to do with it being on jack stands A A prior to glass entry" Rob what is probably nagging your subconsciousness is the idea that the rear glass is a part vital to the structural integrity of the car, and without it being in place the shape will change during jacking. I'm no engineer but that idea sounds absurd and you should eliminate it from your trouble shooting thought process. Sure they flex some, but rather the idea of an imperfection in the seating like Mike D. said sounds more plausible. Is the opening entirely straight sitting on the ground? Is there extreme heat near the suspect cracked areas? Was the glass properly de-burred of all sharp edges? Do you have a seat belt bar mounted to the firewall that might be preloading it? Just shots in the dark.A Best of luck, Matt 3584
I did not think that the glass was adding structural integrity, but instead thought somehow that the car being on stands two weeks, which may have been closer to three weeks, tweaked the opening just enough that it the glass were a little off it might have been snug on install then cracked during driving. I did not inspect the glass prior to install and was not able to be there when it was done, but my glass guy is a stand up talented guy and will redo it for free. I plan to pass any advice from you guys to him. You are correct that the 5 point harness bar is installed, and it was not installed when the first glass was put in. However, the bar is a perfect fit and has no extra pressure added to make the bolts thread. If anything, I would think it would add support. On Jul 25, 2016 5:40 PM, "Matt" <nwpantera@gmail.com> wrote:
"Is it possible that the car being on jack stands could have tweaked the car enough to cause the glass to bind as it re-tweaked to its natural state?" "Does anybody think it has anything to do with it being on jack stands prior to glass entry"
Rob what is probably nagging your subconsciousness is the idea that the rear glass is a part vital to the structural integrity of the car, and without it being in place the shape will change during jacking. I'm no engineer but that idea sounds absurd and you should eliminate it from your trouble shooting thought process. Sure they flex some, but rather the idea of an imperfection in the seating like Mike D. said sounds more plausible. Is the opening entirely straight sitting on the ground? Is there extreme heat near the suspect cracked areas? Was the glass properly de-burred of all sharp edges? Do you have a seat belt bar mounted to the firewall that might be preloading it? Just shots in the dark. Best of luck, Matt 3584
I did not think that the glass was adding structural integrity, but instead thought somehow that the car being on stands two weeks, which may have been closer to three weeks, tweaked the opening just enough that it the glass were a little off it might have been snug on install then cracked during driving. I did not inspect the glass prior to install and was not able to be there when it was done, but my glass guy is a stand up talented guy and will redo it for free. I plan to pass any advice from you guys to him. You are correct that the 5 point harness bar is installed, and it was not installed when the first glass was put in. However, the bar is a perfect fit and has no extra pressure added to make the bolts thread. If anything, I would think it would add support. On Jul 25, 2016 5:40 PM, "Matt" <[1]nwpantera@gmail.com> wrote: "Is it possible thatA the car being on jack stands could have tweaked the car enough to cause A A the glass to bind as it re-tweaked to its natural state?" "Does anybody think it has anything to do with it being on jack stands A A prior to glass entry" Rob what is probably nagging your subconsciousness is the idea that the rear glass is a part vital to the structural integrity of the car, and without it being in place the shape will change during jacking. I'm no engineer but that idea sounds absurd and you should eliminate it from your trouble shooting thought process. Sure they flex some, but rather the idea of an imperfection in the seating like Mike D. said sounds more plausible. Is the opening entirely straight sitting on the ground? Is there extreme heat near the suspect cracked areas? Was the glass properly de-burred of all sharp edges? Do you have a seat belt bar mounted to the firewall that might be preloading it? Just shots in the dark.A Best of luck, Matt 3584 References 1. mailto:nwpantera@gmail.com
I’ve replaced a couple of rear windows over the years with glass and plastic units. None were badly cracked but just had stars, probably from a misguided ratchet or some other tool. I’m looking at the pinch weld area of 6643 right now. It’s double walled and a little wavy but it’s hard to imagine it being so out of shape that it would cause a hot spot / pressure point severe enough to break the glass through the gasket. I’d still put a straight edge on it and flatten it out as well as I could. I doubt body flex caused it since the glass and gasket actually float a bit in the opening…unless you’re using some kind of rigid adhesives...then all bets are off. They should go in quite easily if sized correctly. I gave Mike Drew a tracing of a late model window some time ago FWIW. Michael Frazier From: Rob Dumoulin<mailto:rob@dumoulins.net> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 8:08 PM To: Matt Wells<mailto:nwpantera@gmail.com> Cc: Pantera Mail List<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again I did not think that the glass was adding structural integrity, but instead thought somehow that the car being on stands two weeks, which may have been closer to three weeks, tweaked the opening just enough that it the glass were a little off it might have been snug on install then cracked during driving. I did not inspect the glass prior to install and was not able to be there when it was done, but my glass guy is a stand up talented guy and will redo it for free. I plan to pass any advice from you guys to him. You are correct that the 5 point harness bar is installed, and it was not installed when the first glass was put in. However, the bar is a perfect fit and has no extra pressure added to make the bolts thread. If anything, I would think it would add support. On Jul 25, 2016 5:40 PM, "Matt" <nwpantera@gmail.com> wrote:
"Is it possible that the car being on jack stands could have tweaked the car enough to cause the glass to bind as it re-tweaked to its natural state?" "Does anybody think it has anything to do with it being on jack stands prior to glass entry"
Rob what is probably nagging your subconsciousness is the idea that the rear glass is a part vital to the structural integrity of the car, and without it being in place the shape will change during jacking. I'm no engineer but that idea sounds absurd and you should eliminate it from your trouble shooting thought process. Sure they flex some, but rather the idea of an imperfection in the seating like Mike D. said sounds more plausible. Is the opening entirely straight sitting on the ground? Is there extreme heat near the suspect cracked areas? Was the glass properly de-burred of all sharp edges? Do you have a seat belt bar mounted to the firewall that might be preloading it? Just shots in the dark. Best of luck, Matt 3584
"Is it possible that the car being on jack stands could have tweaked
car enough to cause the glass to bind as it re-tweaked to its natural state?" "Does anybody think it has anything to do with it being on jack stands prior to glass entry"
Rob what is probably nagging your subconsciousness is the idea that
rear glass is a part vital to the structural integrity of the car, and without it being in place the shape will change during jacking. I'm no engineer but that idea sounds absurd and you should eliminate it from your trouble shooting thought process. Sure they flex some, but rather the idea of an imperfection in the seating like Mike D. said sounds more plausible. Is the opening entirely straight sitting on the ground? Is there extreme heat near the suspect cracked areas? Was the glass properly de-burred of all sharp edges? Do you have a seat belt bar mounted to the firewall
I've replaced a couple of rear windows over the years with glass and plastic units. None were badly cracked but just had stars, probably from a misguided ratchet or some other tool. I'm looking at the pinch weld area of 6643 right now. It's double walled and a little wavy but it's hard to imagine it being so out of shape that it would cause a hot spot / pressure point severe enough to break the glass through the gasket. I'd still put a straight edge on it and flatten it out as well as I could. I doubt body flex caused it since the glass and gasket actually float a bit in the opening...unless you're using some kind of rigid adhesives...then all bets are off. They should go in quite easily if sized correctly. I gave Mike Drew a tracing of a late model window some time ago FWIW. Michael Frazier From: [1]Rob Dumoulin Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 8:08 PM To: [2]Matt Wells Cc: [3]Pantera Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again I did not think that the glass was adding structural integrity, but instead thought somehow that the car being on stands two weeks, which may have been closer to three weeks, tweaked the opening just enough that it the glass were a little off it might have been snug on install then cracked during driving. I did not inspect the glass prior to install and was not able to be there when it was done, but my glass guy is a stand up talented guy and will redo it for free. I plan to pass any advice from you guys to him. You are correct that the 5 point harness bar is installed, and it was not installed when the first glass was put in. However, the bar is a perfect fit and has no extra pressure added to make the bolts thread. If anything, I would think it would add support. On Jul 25, 2016 5:40 PM, "Matt" <nwpantera@gmail.com> wrote: the the that
might be preloading it? Just shots in the dark. Best of luck, Matt 3584
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I hit my window a few times with a ratchet over the years, and never cracked it. I removed it when I had the car painted, and I polished the roughness out before reinstalling it. As I pushed the final time to get it in it popped. I was pushing with the palm of my hand, and I wasn¹t pushing that hard. So, I had a new one made with safety glass, and this one went in with no drama. That¹s my story anyway. On 7/25/16, 10:33 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of michael frazier" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of red3644@hotmail.com> wrote:
I've replaced a couple of rear windows over the years with glass and plastic units.
None were badly cracked but just had stars, probably from a misguided ratchet or
some other tool. I'm looking at the pinch weld area of 6643 right now. It's double
walled and a little wavy but it's hard to imagine it being so out of shape that it would
cause a hot spot / pressure point severe enough to break the glass through the gasket.
I'd still put a straight edge on it and flatten it out as well as I could. I doubt body flex
caused it since the glass and gasket actually float a bit in the opening...unless you're
using some kind of rigid adhesives...then all bets are off. They should go in quite easily
if sized correctly. I gave Mike Drew a tracing of a late model window some time ago FWIW.
Michael Frazier
From: [1]Rob Dumoulin Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 8:08 PM To: [2]Matt Wells Cc: [3]Pantera Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again
"Is it possible that the car being on jack stands could have tweaked
car enough to cause the glass to bind as it re-tweaked to its natural state?" "Does anybody think it has anything to do with it being on jack stands prior to glass entry"
Rob what is probably nagging your subconsciousness is the idea that
rear glass is a part vital to the structural integrity of the car, and without it being in place the shape will change during jacking. I'm no engineer but that idea sounds absurd and you should eliminate it from your trouble shooting thought process. Sure they flex some, but rather the idea of an imperfection in the seating like Mike D. said sounds more plausible. Is the opening entirely straight sitting on the ground? Is there extreme heat near the suspect cracked areas? Was the glass properly de-burred of all sharp edges? Do you have a seat belt bar mounted to the firewall
I did not think that the glass was adding structural integrity, but instead thought somehow that the car being on stands two weeks, which may have been closer to three weeks, tweaked the opening just enough that it the glass were a little off it might have been snug on install then cracked during driving. I did not inspect the glass prior to install and was not able to be there when it was done, but my glass guy is a stand up talented guy and will redo it for free. I plan to pass any advice from you guys to him. You are correct that the 5 point harness bar is installed, and it was not installed when the first glass was put in. However, the bar is a perfect fit and has no extra pressure added to make the bolts thread. If anything, I would think it would add support. On Jul 25, 2016 5:40 PM, "Matt" <nwpantera@gmail.com> wrote: the the that
might be preloading it? Just shots in the dark. Best of luck, Matt 3584
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I had one made of lexan and used that. Nathan Giles
On Jul 29, 2016, at 20:38, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com> wrote:
I hit my window a few times with a ratchet over the years, and never cracked it.
I removed it when I had the car painted, and I polished the roughness out before reinstalling it. As I pushed the final time to get it in it popped. I was pushing with the palm of my hand, and I wasn¹t pushing that hard.
So, I had a new one made with safety glass, and this one went in with no drama.
That¹s my story anyway.
On 7/25/16, 10:33 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of michael frazier" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of red3644@hotmail.com> wrote:
I've replaced a couple of rear windows over the years with glass and plastic units.
None were badly cracked but just had stars, probably from a misguided ratchet or
some other tool. I'm looking at the pinch weld area of 6643 right now. It's double
walled and a little wavy but it's hard to imagine it being so out of shape that it would
cause a hot spot / pressure point severe enough to break the glass through the gasket.
I'd still put a straight edge on it and flatten it out as well as I could. I doubt body flex
caused it since the glass and gasket actually float a bit in the opening...unless you're
using some kind of rigid adhesives...then all bets are off. They should go in quite easily
if sized correctly. I gave Mike Drew a tracing of a late model window some time ago FWIW.
Michael Frazier
From: [1]Rob Dumoulin Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 8:08 PM To: [2]Matt Wells Cc: [3]Pantera Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again
On Jul 25, 2016 5:40 PM, "Matt" <nwpantera@gmail.com> wrote: "Is it possible that the car being on jack stands could have tweaked
car enough to cause the glass to bind as it re-tweaked to its natural state?" "Does anybody think it has anything to do with it being on jack stands prior to glass entry"
Rob what is probably nagging your subconsciousness is the idea that
rear glass is a part vital to the structural integrity of the car, and without it being in place the shape will change during jacking. I'm no engineer but that idea sounds absurd and you should eliminate it from your trouble shooting thought process. Sure they flex some, but rather the idea of an imperfection in the seating like Mike D. said sounds more plausible. Is the opening entirely straight sitting on the ground? Is there extreme heat near the suspect cracked areas? Was the glass properly de-burred of all sharp edges? Do you have a seat belt bar mounted to the firewall
I did not think that the glass was adding structural integrity, but instead thought somehow that the car being on stands two weeks, which may have been closer to three weeks, tweaked the opening just enough that it the glass were a little off it might have been snug on install then cracked during driving. I did not inspect the glass prior to install and was not able to be there when it was done, but my glass guy is a stand up talented guy and will redo it for free. I plan to pass any advice from you guys to him. You are correct that the 5 point harness bar is installed, and it was not installed when the first glass was put in. However, the bar is a perfect fit and has no extra pressure added to make the bolts thread. If anything, I would think it would add support. the the that
might be preloading it? Just shots in the dark. Best of luck, Matt 3584
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Seems like you should inspect the edge of the glass if the window is out, and smooth out any nicks. I think that is where cracks start. Ken From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com> To: michael frazier <red3644@hotmail.com>; Rob Dumoulin <rob@dumoulins.net>; Matt Wells <nwpantera@gmail.com> Cc: Pantera Mail List <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again I hit my window a few times with a ratchet over the years, and never cracked it. I removed it when I had the car painted, and I polished the roughness out before reinstalling it. As I pushed the final time to get it in it popped. I was pushing with the palm of my hand, and I wasn¹t pushing that hard. So, I had a new one made with safety glass, and this one went in with no drama. That¹s my story anyway. On 7/25/16, 10:33 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of michael frazier" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of red3644@hotmail.com> wrote:
I've replaced a couple of rear windows over the years with glass and plastic units.
None were badly cracked but just had stars, probably from a misguided ratchet or
some other tool. I'm looking at the pinch weld area of 6643 right now. It's double
walled and a little wavy but it's hard to imagine it being so out of shape that it would
cause a hot spot / pressure point severe enough to break the glass through the gasket.
I'd still put a straight edge on it and flatten it out as well as I could. I doubt body flex
caused it since the glass and gasket actually float a bit in the opening...unless you're
using some kind of rigid adhesives...then all bets are off. They should go in quite easily
if sized correctly. I gave Mike Drew a tracing of a late model window some time ago FWIW.
Michael Frazier
From: [1]Rob Dumoulin Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 8:08 PM To: [2]Matt Wells Cc: [3]Pantera Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again
I did not think that the glass was adding structural integrity, but instead thought somehow that the car being on stands two weeks, which may have been closer to three weeks, tweaked the opening just enough that it the glass were a little off it might have been snug on install then cracked during driving. I did not inspect the glass prior to install and was not able to be there when it was done, but my glass guy is a stand up talented guy and will redo it for free. I plan to pass any advice from you guys to him. You are correct that the 5 point harness bar is installed, and it was not installed when the first glass was put in. However, the bar is a perfect fit and has no extra pressure added to make the bolts thread. If anything, I would think it would add support. On Jul 25, 2016 5:40 PM, "Matt" <nwpantera@gmail.com> wrote: > "Is it possible that the car being on jack stands could have tweaked the > car enough to cause > the glass to bind as it re-tweaked to its natural state?" > "Does anybody think it has anything to do with it being on jack stands > prior to glass entry" > > Rob what is probably nagging your subconsciousness is the idea that the > rear glass is a part vital to the structural integrity of the car, and > without it being in place the shape will change during jacking. > I'm no engineer but that idea sounds absurd and you should eliminate it > from your trouble shooting thought process. > Sure they flex some, but rather the idea of an imperfection in the seating > like Mike D. said sounds more plausible. > Is the opening entirely straight sitting on the ground? Is there extreme > heat near the suspect cracked areas? Was the glass properly de-burred of > all sharp edges? Do you have a seat belt bar mounted to the firewall that > might be preloading it? > Just shots in the dark. > Best of luck, > Matt > 3584 > >
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I've replaced a couple of rear windows over the years with glass and plastic units.
None were badly cracked but just had stars, probably from a misguided ratchet or
some other tool. I'm looking at the pinch weld area of 6643 right now. It's double
walled and a little wavy but it's hard to imagine it being so out of shape that it would
cause a hot spot / pressure point severe enough to break the glass through the gasket.
I'd still put a straight edge on it and flatten it out as well as I could. I doubt body flex
caused it since the glass and gasket actually float a bit in the opening...unless you're
using some kind of rigid adhesives...then all bets are off. They should go in quite easily
if sized correctly. I gave Mike Drew a tracing of a late model window some time ago FWIW.
Michael Frazier
From: [1]Rob Dumoulin Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 8:08 PM To: [2]Matt Wells Cc: [3]Pantera Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again
"Is it possible that the car being on jack stands could have tweaked
I did not think that the glass was adding structural integrity, but instead thought somehow that the car being on stands two weeks, which may have been closer to three weeks, tweaked the opening just enough that it the glass were a little off it might have been snug on install then cracked during driving. I did not inspect the glass prior to install and was not able to be there when it was done, but my glass guy is a stand up talented guy and will redo it for free. I plan to pass any advice from you guys to him. You are correct that the 5 point harness bar is installed, and it was not installed when the first glass was put in. However, the bar is a perfect fit and has no extra pressure added to make the bolts thread. If anything, I would think it would add support. On Jul 25, 2016 5:40 PM, "Matt" <[3]nwpantera@gmail.com> wrote: the
car enough to cause the glass to bind as it re-tweaked to its natural state?" "Does anybody think it has anything to do with it being on jack stands prior to glass entry"
Rob what is probably nagging your subconsciousness is the idea
rear glass is a part vital to the structural integrity of the car, and without it being in place the shape will change during jacking. I'm no engineer but that idea sounds absurd and you should eliminate it from your trouble shooting thought process. Sure they flex some, but rather the idea of an imperfection in the seating like Mike D. said sounds more plausible. Is the opening entirely straight sitting on the ground? Is there extreme heat near the suspect cracked areas? Was the glass properly de-burred of all sharp edges? Do you have a seat belt bar mounted to the firewall
the that
might be preloading it? Just shots in the dark. Best of luck, Matt 3584
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Trim the glass (Pattern) an addition 1/16th of an inch all around. That is what an old time Pantera guy told me what to do when I had to replace the glass... That worked perfect. If you are cracking the glass ... it's obviously stressed... and it's pushing to hard on the rubber. Like mentioned before, float the glass. Enjoy, -dt On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 9:56 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso < detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Seems like you should inspect the edge of the glass if the window is out, and smooth out any nicks. I think that is where cracks start. Ken __________________________________________________________________
I've replaced a couple of rear windows over the years with glass and plastic units.
None were badly cracked but just had stars, probably from a misguided ratchet or
some other tool. I'm looking at the pinch weld area of 6643 right now. It's double
walled and a little wavy but it's hard to imagine it being so out of shape that it would
cause a hot spot / pressure point severe enough to break the glass through the gasket.
I'd still put a straight edge on it and flatten it out as well as I could. I doubt body flex
caused it since the glass and gasket actually float a bit in the opening...unless you're
using some kind of rigid adhesives...then all bets are off. They should go in quite easily
if sized correctly. I gave Mike Drew a tracing of a late model window some time ago FWIW.
Michael Frazier
From: [1]Rob Dumoulin Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 8:08 PM To: [2]Matt Wells Cc: [3]Pantera Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again
"Is it possible that the car being on jack stands could have tweaked
I did not think that the glass was adding structural integrity, but instead thought somehow that the car being on stands two weeks, which may have been closer to three weeks, tweaked the opening just enough that it the glass were a little off it might have been snug on install then cracked during driving. I did not inspect the glass prior to install and was not able to be there when it was done, but my glass guy is a stand up talented guy and will redo it for free. I plan to pass any advice from you guys to him. You are correct that the 5 point harness bar is installed, and it was not installed when the first glass was put in. However, the bar is a perfect fit and has no extra pressure added to make the bolts thread. If anything, I would think it would add support. On Jul 25, 2016 5:40 PM, "Matt" <[3]nwpantera@gmail.com> wrote: the
car enough to cause the glass to bind as it re-tweaked to its natural state?" "Does anybody think it has anything to do with it being on jack stands prior to glass entry"
Rob what is probably nagging your subconsciousness is the idea
rear glass is a part vital to the structural integrity of the car, and without it being in place the shape will change during jacking. I'm no engineer but that idea sounds absurd and you should eliminate it from your trouble shooting thought process. Sure they flex some, but rather the idea of an imperfection in the seating like Mike D. said sounds more plausible. Is the opening entirely straight sitting on the ground? Is there extreme heat near the suspect cracked areas? Was the glass properly de-burred of all sharp edges? Do you have a seat belt bar mounted to the firewall
the that
might be preloading it? Just shots in the dark. Best of luck, Matt 3584
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From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com> To: michael frazier <red3644@hotmail.com>; Rob Dumoulin <rob@dumoulins.net>; Matt Wells <nwpantera@gmail.com> Cc: Pantera Mail List <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again I hit my window a few times with a ratchet over the years, and never cracked it. I removed it when I had the car painted, and I polished the roughness out before reinstalling it. As I pushed the final time to get it in it popped. I was pushing with the palm of my hand, and I wasnA^1t pushing that hard. So, I had a new one made with safety glass, and this one went in with no drama. ThatA^1s my story anyway. On 7/25/16, 10:33 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of michael frazier" <[1]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of [2]red3644@hotmail.com> wrote: that list.
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Trim the glass (Pattern) an addition 1/16th of an inch all around.A That is what an old time Pantera guy told me what to do when I had to replace the glass...A That worked perfect.A If you are cracking the glass ... it's obviously stressed... and it's pushing to hard on the rubber.A A Like mentioned before, float the glass. Enjoy, -dt On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 9:56 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: A A Seems like you should inspect the edge of the glass if the window is A A out, and smooth out any nicks.A I think that is where cracks start. A A Ken A A A __________________________________________________________________ A A From: Will Kooiman <[2]will.kooiman@gmail.com> A A To: michael frazier <[3]red3644@hotmail.com>; Rob Dumoulin A A <[4]rob@dumoulins.net>; Matt Wells <[5]nwpantera@gmail.com> A A Cc: Pantera Mail List <[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> A A Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 8:38 PM A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again A A I hit my window a few times with a ratchet over the years, and never A A cracked it. A A I removed it when I had the car painted, and I polished the roughness A A out A A before reinstalling it.A As I pushed the final time to get it in it A A popped.A I was pushing with the palm of my hand, and I wasnA^1t pushing A A that A A hard. A A So, I had a new one made with safety glass, and this one went in with A A no A A drama. A A ThatA^1s my story anyway. A A On 7/25/16, 10:33 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of michael frazier" A A <[1][7]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of A A [2][8]red3644@hotmail.com> wrote: A A >A I've replaced a couple of rear windows over the years with glass and A A >A plastic units. A A > A A >A None were badly cracked but just had stars, probably from a A A misguided A A >A ratchet or A A > A A >A some other tool.A I'm looking at the pinch weld area of 6643 right A A >A now.A It's double A A > A A >A walled and a little wavy but it's hard to imagine it being so out of A A >A shape that it would A A > A A >A cause a hot spot / pressure point severe enough to break the glass A A >A through the gasket. A A > A A >A I'd still put a straight edge on it and flatten it out as well as I A A >A could.A I doubt body flex A A > A A >A caused it since the glass and gasket actually float a bit in the A A >A opening...unless you're A A > A A >A using some kind of rigid adhesives...then all bets are off.A They A A >A should go in quite easily A A > A A >A if sized correctly.A I gave Mike Drew a tracing of a late model A A window A A >A some time ago FWIW. A A > A A > A A >A Michael Frazier A A > A A > A A >A From: [1]Rob Dumoulin A A >A Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 8:08 PM A A >A To: [2]Matt Wells A A >A Cc: [3]Pantera Mail List A A >A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again A A > A A > A A >A I did not think that the glass was adding structural integrity, but A A >A instead A A >A thought somehow that the car being on stands two weeks, which may A A have A A >A been A A >A closer to three weeks, tweaked the opening just enough that it the A A >A glass A A >A were a little off it might have been snug on install then cracked A A >A during A A >A driving. A A >A I did not inspect the glass prior to install and was not able to be A A >A there A A >A when it was done, but my glass guy is a stand up talented guy and A A will A A >A redo A A >A it for free. I plan to pass any advice from you guys to him. A A >A You are correct that the 5 point harness bar is installed, and it A A was A A >A not A A >A installed when the first glass was put in. However, the bar is a A A >A perfect A A >A fit and has no extra pressure added to make the bolts thread. If A A >A anything, A A >A I would think it would add support. A A >A On Jul 25, 2016 5:40 PM, "Matt" <[3][9]nwpantera@gmail.com> wrote: A A >A > "Is it possible that the car being on jack stands could have A A tweaked A A >A the A A >A > car enough to cause A A >A >A A the glass to bind as it re-tweaked to its natural state?" A A >A > "Does anybody think it has anything to do with it being on jack A A >A stands A A >A >A A prior to glass entry" A A >A > A A >A > Rob what is probably nagging your subconsciousness is the idea A A that A A >A the A A >A > rear glass is a part vital to the structural integrity of the car, A A >A and A A >A > without it being in place the shape will change during jacking. A A >A > I'm no engineer but that idea sounds absurd and you should A A eliminate A A >A it A A >A > from your trouble shooting thought process. A A >A > Sure they flex some, but rather the idea of an imperfection in the A A >A seating A A >A > like Mike D. said sounds more plausible. A A >A > Is the opening entirely straight sitting on the ground? Is there A A >A extreme A A >A > heat near the suspect cracked areas? Was the glass properly A A de-burred A A >A of A A >A > all sharp edges? Do you have a seat belt bar mounted to the A A firewall A A >A that A A >A > might be preloading it? A A >A > Just shots in the dark. 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Trim the glass (Pattern) an addition 1/16th of an inch all around.A That is what an old time Pantera guy told me what to do when I had to replace the glass...A That worked perfect.A If you are cracking the glass ... it's obviously stressed... and it's pushing to hard on the rubber.A A Like mentioned before, float the glass. Enjoy, -dt On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 9:56 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
A A Seems like you should inspect the edge of the glass if the window is A A out, and smooth out any nicks.A I think that is where cracks start. A A Ken A A A __________________________________________________________________ A A From: Will Kooiman <[2]will.kooiman@gmail.com> A A To: michael frazier <[3]red3644@hotmail.com>; Rob Dumoulin A A <[4]rob@dumoulins.net>; Matt Wells <[5]nwpantera@gmail.com> A A Cc: Pantera Mail List <[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> A A Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 8:38 PM A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again A A I hit my window a few times with a ratchet over the years, and never A A cracked it. A A I removed it when I had the car painted, and I polished the roughness A A out A A before reinstalling it.A As I pushed the final time to get it in it A A popped.A I was pushing with the palm of my hand, and I wasnA^1t pushing A A that A A hard. A A So, I had a new one made with safety glass, and this one went in with A A no A A drama. A A ThatA^1s my story anyway. A A On 7/25/16, 10:33 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of michael frazier" A A <[1][7]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
A A [2][8]red3644@hotmail.com> wrote: A A >A I've replaced a couple of rear windows over the years with glass and A A >A plastic units. A A > A A >A None were badly cracked but just had stars, probably from a A A misguided A A >A ratchet or A A > A A >A some other tool.A I'm looking at the pinch weld area of 6643 right A A >A now.A It's double A A > A A >A walled and a little wavy but it's hard to imagine it being so out of A A >A shape that it would A A > A A >A cause a hot spot / pressure point severe enough to break the glass A A >A through the gasket. A A > A A >A I'd still put a straight edge on it and flatten it out as well as I A A >A could.A I doubt body flex A A > A A >A caused it since the glass and gasket actually float a bit in the A A >A opening...unless you're A A > A A >A using some kind of rigid adhesives...then all bets are off.A They A A >A should go in quite easily A A > A A >A if sized correctly.A I gave Mike Drew a tracing of a late model A A window A A >A some time ago FWIW. A A > A A > A A >A Michael Frazier A A > A A > A A >A From: [1]Rob Dumoulin A A >A Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 8:08 PM A A >A To: [2]Matt Wells A A >A Cc: [3]Pantera Mail List A A >A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again A A > A A > A A >A I did not think that the glass was adding structural integrity, but A A >A instead A A >A thought somehow that the car being on stands two weeks, which may A A have A A >A been A A >A closer to three weeks, tweaked the opening just enough that it the A A >A glass A A >A were a little off it might have been snug on install then cracked A A >A during A A >A driving. A A >A I did not inspect the glass prior to install and was not able to be A A >A there A A >A when it was done, but my glass guy is a stand up talented guy and A A will A A >A redo A A >A it for free. I plan to pass any advice from you guys to him. A A >A You are correct that the 5 point harness bar is installed, and it A A was A A >A not A A >A installed when the first glass was put in. However, the bar is a A A >A perfect A A >A fit and has no extra pressure added to make the bolts thread. If A A >A anything, A A >A I would think it would add support.
A A >A On Jul 25, 2016 5:40 PM, "Matt" <[3][9]nwpantera@gmail.com> wrote: A A >A > "Is it possible that the car being on jack stands could have A A tweaked A A >A the A A >A > car enough to cause A A >A >A A the glass to bind as it re-tweaked to its natural state?" A A >A > "Does anybody think it has anything to do with it being on jack A A >A stands A A >A >A A prior to glass entry" A A >A > A A >A > Rob what is probably nagging your subconsciousness is the idea A A that A A >A the A A >A > rear glass is a part vital to the structural integrity of the car, A A >A and A A >A > without it being in place the shape will change during jacking. A A >A > I'm no engineer but that idea sounds absurd and you should A A eliminate A A >A it A A >A > from your trouble shooting thought process. A A >A > Sure they flex some, but rather the idea of an imperfection in the A A >A seating A A >A > like Mike D. said sounds more plausible. A A >A > Is the opening entirely straight sitting on the ground? Is there A A >A extreme A A >A > heat near the suspect cracked areas? Was the glass properly A A de-burred A A >A of A A >A > all sharp edges? Do you have a seat belt bar mounted to the A A firewall A A >A that A A >A > might be preloading it? A A >A > Just shots in the dark. A A >A > Best of luck, A A >A > Matt A A >A > 3584 A A >A > A A >A > A A > A A >References A A >
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Am 30.07.2016 um 17:26 schrieb Don Thomas <don.thomas.ieee@gmail.com>:
Trim the glass (Pattern) an addition 1/16th of an inch all around.A That is what an old time Pantera guy told me what to do when I had to replace the glass...A That worked perfect.A If you are cracking the glass ... it's obviously stressed... and it's pushing to hard on the rubber.A A Like mentioned before, float the glass. Enjoy, -dt On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 9:56 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
A A Seems like you should inspect the edge of the glass if the window is A A out, and smooth out any nicks.A I think that is where cracks start. A A Ken A A A __________________________________________________________________ A A From: Will Kooiman <[2]will.kooiman@gmail.com> A A To: michael frazier <[3]red3644@hotmail.com>; Rob Dumoulin A A <[4]rob@dumoulins.net>; Matt Wells <[5]nwpantera@gmail.com> A A Cc: Pantera Mail List <[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> A A Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 8:38 PM A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again A A I hit my window a few times with a ratchet over the years, and never A A cracked it. A A I removed it when I had the car painted, and I polished the roughness A A out A A before reinstalling it.A As I pushed the final time to get it in it A A popped.A I was pushing with the palm of my hand, and I wasnA^1t pushing A A that A A hard. A A So, I had a new one made with safety glass, and this one went in with A A no A A drama. A A ThatA^1s my story anyway. A A On 7/25/16, 10:33 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of michael frazier" A A <[1][7]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
A A [2][8]red3644@hotmail.com> wrote: A A >A I've replaced a couple of rear windows over the years with glass and A A >A plastic units. A A > A A >A None were badly cracked but just had stars, probably from a A A misguided A A >A ratchet or A A > A A >A some other tool.A I'm looking at the pinch weld area of 6643 right A A >A now.A It's double A A > A A >A walled and a little wavy but it's hard to imagine it being so out of A A >A shape that it would A A > A A >A cause a hot spot / pressure point severe enough to break the glass A A >A through the gasket. A A > A A >A I'd still put a straight edge on it and flatten it out as well as I A A >A could.A I doubt body flex A A > A A >A caused it since the glass and gasket actually float a bit in the A A >A opening...unless you're A A > A A >A using some kind of rigid adhesives...then all bets are off.A They A A >A should go in quite easily A A > A A >A if sized correctly.A I gave Mike Drew a tracing of a late model A A window A A >A some time ago FWIW. A A > A A > A A >A Michael Frazier A A > A A > A A >A From: [1]Rob Dumoulin A A >A Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 8:08 PM A A >A To: [2]Matt Wells A A >A Cc: [3]Pantera Mail List A A >A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again A A > A A > A A >A I did not think that the glass was adding structural integrity, but A A >A instead A A >A thought somehow that the car being on stands two weeks, which may A A have A A >A been A A >A closer to three weeks, tweaked the opening just enough that it the A A >A glass A A >A were a little off it might have been snug on install then cracked A A >A during A A >A driving. A A >A I did not inspect the glass prior to install and was not able to be A A >A there A A >A when it was done, but my glass guy is a stand up talented guy and A A will A A >A redo A A >A it for free. I plan to pass any advice from you guys to him. A A >A You are correct that the 5 point harness bar is installed, and it A A was A A >A not A A >A installed when the first glass was put in. However, the bar is a A A >A perfect A A >A fit and has no extra pressure added to make the bolts thread. If A A >A anything, A A >A I would think it would add support.
A A >A On Jul 25, 2016 5:40 PM, "Matt" <[3][9]nwpantera@gmail.com> wrote: A A >A > "Is it possible that the car being on jack stands could have A A tweaked A A >A the A A >A > car enough to cause A A >A >A A the glass to bind as it re-tweaked to its natural state?" A A >A > "Does anybody think it has anything to do with it being on jack A A >A stands A A >A >A A prior to glass entry" A A >A > A A >A > Rob what is probably nagging your subconsciousness is the idea A A that A A >A the A A >A > rear glass is a part vital to the structural integrity of the car, A A >A and A A >A > without it being in place the shape will change during jacking. A A >A > I'm no engineer but that idea sounds absurd and you should A A eliminate A A >A it A A >A > from your trouble shooting thought process. A A >A > Sure they flex some, but rather the idea of an imperfection in the A A >A seating A A >A > like Mike D. said sounds more plausible. A A >A > Is the opening entirely straight sitting on the ground? Is there A A >A extreme A A >A > heat near the suspect cracked areas? Was the glass properly A A de-burred A A >A of A A >A > all sharp edges? Do you have a seat belt bar mounted to the A A firewall A A >A that A A >A > might be preloading it? A A >A > Just shots in the dark. A A >A > Best of luck, A A >A > Matt A A >A > 3584 A A >A > A A >A > A A > A A >References A A >
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<< There are some terrible after market rubbers floating around.>> I could be in trouble... Larry (no rhythm) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Roland Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 11:57 AM To: Don Thomas Cc: Pantera Mail List; Ken Green Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again Did you check your rubber? There are some terrible after market rubbers floating around. Gesendet vom Irgendwo im Nirgendwo. the links above.
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Don Thomas -
Ken Green -
Larry - Ohio Time -
Matt -
michael frazier -
Nathan Giles -
Rob Dumoulin -
Roland -
Will Kooiman