New subject: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 145, Issue 29

24 Jul 2016


      My take is board and president elected. If you do not want them vote them out next election. Club was spending to much money on printing and not doing anything to bring in new members and the conflict must stop get along until next election. I think next board meeting needs to be open for all members to listen to and hear the issues. Thank you
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (Will Kooiman)
  2. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (Michael Haney)
  3. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (Jeff Detrich)
  4. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (James coyne)
  5. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (Douglas Kelm)
  6. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (audionut@hushmail.com)
  7. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (Mark Peterson)
  8. POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) - Call to the Board of
     Directors (Mark Pinson)
  9. Re: POCA Website is Down,    Here's Why (7) - Call to the Board
     of Directors (Mike Thomas)
 10. Voted? (gonancy@juno.com)
 11. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (Dave)
 12. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (Dave)
 13. Re: Voted? (Ken Green)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 13:26:38 -0400
From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com>
To: Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com>, Charles Engles
   <cengles@cox.net>, 'Ed Mendez' <edducati@mac.com>, 'Mike Reilly'
   <reillyms@live.com>
Cc: "detomaso@detomasolist.com" <detomaso@detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
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It isn?t about controlling the club.
It takes a lot of guts to step forward to be president (or any board
position).  It is often a thankless job, and you take a lot of crap for it
- even when you are right.
MS just wants to improve the club.  I?m impressed with his energy and most
of his ideas.  I disagree with some, but that?s another matter.
The problem is he pissed off a lot of people with his approach, and now
it?s a back and forth verbal battle until someone has enough and leaves.
Unfortunately, there are <many> against him, and they?ll never all shut up
and leave.  So, the ?fix" has to come from MS - somehow.
On 7/23/16, 9:54 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso"
<detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
...
You have to start wondering why anyone would work so hard to control a
 car club?  The amount of counter-productive wasted effort is
 ridiculous.  The hole just gets deeper and deeper.  You read about crap
 like this going on to gain control of multi-million $ corporations, but
 it makes no sense for a car club.
 Ken
   __________________________________________________________________
From: Charles Engles <cengles@cox.net>
 To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green@yahoo.com>; 'Ed Mendez' <edducati@mac.com>;
 'Mike Reilly' <reillyms@live.com>
 Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com
 Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:43 AM
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
 Dear Ken,
           The now infamous "survey" is an example of his modus
 operandi.
                       Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
 -----Original Message-----
 From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On
 Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
 Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:09 PM
 To: Ed Mendez; Mike Reilly
 Cc: [2]detomaso@detomasolist.com
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
 This is sounding really political and dishonest.  Is it one of those
 surveys carefully constructed to get the answers the author wants as an
 excuse to do things informed members would never approve?
 Ken
       From: Ed Mendez <[3]edducati@mac.com>
 To: Mike Reilly <[4]reillyms@live.com>
 Cc: "[5]detomaso@detomasolist.com" <[6]detomaso@detomasolist.com>
 Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 4:50 PM
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
...
On Jul 23, 2016, at 10:40, Mike Reilly <[7]reillyms@live.com> wrote:
Check your junk file.  Mine was there.
Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
From: [2]Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:31 PM
To: [3][8]detomaso@detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
I have not received the survey.  I am hoping it would have a 4th
reply.
4.  Please revoke my membership and remove all personal information
and
postings from POCA.com.  You may keep any pro-rated membership fees
and
future publication mailings.
The reason I first noticed the site was down was looking the email
address
to see whom to send above to.
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso
 [[4]mailto:[9]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
Of Will Kooiman
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 18:06 PM
To: Ken Green; Pantdino; [10]julian_kift@hotmail.com;
 [11]bill@incendium.com
Cc: [12]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com;
 [13]detomaso@detomasolist.com;
[14]mbglobalsc@aol.com; [15]gpd4@juno.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
Verbatim from the survey:
1.  We support Michael Shortt, Mike Burnett, and Laurie Basile and
want
you to fight for us and keep making the club better.  OR
2.  We Thank you for your service so far, please give up the fight,
let
the
contentious people win and return the club to the way it was.
This makes it look like there are only two choices - either you
 fully
support us, or you suck.
How about this?
3. I support much of what the new leadership has proposed, but I am
unhappy
with the way it has been done.  Please continue trying to make the
club
better, but first attempt to reconcile the relationships that have
been
damaged, and if anyone is unable to serve on the BOD without
...
people
with respect, they should leave.
--
Will
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 12:37:19 -0700
From: "Michael Haney" <paso750@gmail.com>
To: "'Ken Green'" <kenn_green@yahoo.com>, "'Charles Engles'"
   <cengles@cox.net>, "'Ed Mendez'" <edducati@mac.com>, "'Mike Reilly'"
   <reillyms@live.com>
Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
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Ever since he started with his "agenda" I have wondered what his end goal
was.
I still haven't figured it out.
Mike Haney
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:55 AM
To: Charles Engles; 'Ed Mendez'; 'Mike Reilly'
Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
You have to start wondering why anyone would work so hard to control a car
club?? The amount of counter-productive wasted effort is ridiculous.? The
hole just gets deeper and deeper.? You read about crap like this going on?to
gain control of?multi-million $ corporations, but it makes no sense for a
car club.
Ken
From: Charles Engles <cengles@cox.net>
To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green@yahoo.com>; 'Ed Mendez' <edducati@mac.com>;
'Mike Reilly' <reillyms@live.com>
Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
Dear Ken,
? ? ? ? ? The now infamous "survey" is an example of his modus operandi.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:09 PM
To: Ed Mendez; Mike Reilly
Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
This is sounding really political and dishonest.? Is it one of those surveys
carefully constructed to get the answers the author wants as an excuse to do
things informed members would never approve?
Ken
? ? ? From: Ed Mendez <edducati@mac.com>
To: Mike Reilly <reillyms@live.com>
Cc: "detomaso@detomasolist.com" <detomaso@detomasolist.com>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
? 
You should leave it in Junk it was not written or condoned by the board.
Mr. Shortt created his own Survey Monkey account and is using emails that he
has a list of.
...
On Jul 23, 2016, at 10:40, Mike Reilly <reillyms@live.com> wrote:
? Check your junk file.? Mine was there.
? Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
? From: [2]Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
? Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:31 PM
? To: [3]detomaso@detomasolist.com
? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
? I have not received the survey.? I am hoping it would have a 4th
? reply.
? 4.? Please revoke my membership and remove all personal information
? and
? postings from POCA.com.? You may keep any pro-rated membership fees 
and
? future publication mailings.
? The reason I first noticed the site was down was looking the email
? address
? to see whom to send above to.
? -----Original Message-----
? From: DeTomaso [[4]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com]
On
? Behalf
? Of Will Kooiman
? Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 18:06 PM
? To: Ken Green; Pantdino; julian_kift@hotmail.com; bill@incendium.com
? Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com; detomaso@detomasolist.com;
? mbglobalsc@aol.com; gpd4@juno.com
? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
? Verbatim from the survey:
? 1.? We support Michael Shortt, Mike Burnett, and Laurie Basile and 
want
? you to fight for us and keep making the club better.? OR
? 2.? We Thank you for your service so far, please give up the fight, 
let
? the
? contentious people win and return the club to the way it was.
? This makes it look like there are only two choices - either you fully
? support us, or you suck.
? How about this?
? 3. I support much of what the new leadership has proposed, but I am
? unhappy
? with the way it has been done.? Please continue trying to make the 
club
? better, but first attempt to reconcile the relationships that have 
been
? damaged, and if anyone is unable to serve on the BOD without treating
? people
? with respect, they should leave.
? --
? Will
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Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 15:01:13 -0500
From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com>
To: Michael Haney <paso750@gmail.com>
Cc: Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com>, detomaso@detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
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World domination?
...
On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Michael Haney <paso750@gmail.com> wrote:
Ever since he started with his "agenda" I have wondered what his end goal
was.
I still haven't figured it out.
Mike Haney
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:55 AM
To: Charles Engles; 'Ed Mendez'; 'Mike Reilly'
Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
You have to start wondering why anyone would work so hard to control a car
club?  The amount of counter-productive wasted effort is ridiculous.  The
hole just gets deeper and deeper.  You read about crap like this going
on to
gain control of multi-million $ corporations, but it makes no sense for a
car club.
Ken
From: Charles Engles <cengles@cox.net>
To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green@yahoo.com>; 'Ed Mendez' <edducati@mac.com>;
'Mike Reilly' <reillyms@live.com>
Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
Dear Ken,
The now infamous "survey" is an example of his modus operandi.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:09 PM
To: Ed Mendez; Mike Reilly
Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
This is sounding really political and dishonest.  Is it one of those
surveys
carefully constructed to get the answers the author wants as an excuse to
do
things informed members would never approve?
Ken
From: Ed Mendez <edducati@mac.com>
To: Mike Reilly <reillyms@live.com>
Cc: "detomaso@detomasolist.com" <detomaso@detomasolist.com>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
You should leave it in Junk it was not written or condoned by the board.
Mr. Shortt created his own Survey Monkey account and is using emails that
he
has a list of.
...
On Jul 23, 2016, at 10:40, Mike Reilly <reillyms@live.com> wrote:
Check your junk file.  Mine was there.
Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
From: [2]Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:31 PM
To: [3]detomaso@detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
I have not received the survey.  I am hoping it would have a 4th
reply.
4.  Please revoke my membership and remove all personal information
and
postings from POCA.com.  You may keep any pro-rated membership fees
and
future publication mailings.
The reason I first noticed the site was down was looking the email
address
to see whom to send above to.
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[4]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
Of Will Kooiman
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 18:06 PM
To: Ken Green; Pantdino; julian_kift@hotmail.com; bill@incendium.com
Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com; detomaso@detomasolist.com;
mbglobalsc@aol.com; gpd4@juno.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
Verbatim from the survey:
1.  We support Michael Shortt, Mike Burnett, and Laurie Basile and
want
you to fight for us and keep making the club better.  OR
2.  We Thank you for your service so far, please give up the fight,
let
the
contentious people win and return the club to the way it was.
This makes it look like there are only two choices - either you fully
support us, or you suck.
How about this?
3. I support much of what the new leadership has proposed, but I am
unhappy
with the way it has been done.  Please continue trying to make the
club
better, but first attempt to reconcile the relationships that have
been
damaged, and if anyone is unable to serve on the BOD without treating
people
with respect, they should leave.
--
Will
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Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 145, Issue 29

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