Again with the threats!
Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night warning me to hire an lawyer. Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights.
This Michael dude needs to relax a bit. Does anyone have his phone number ? I need to have a chat with him, this whole vendetta against the list is starting to piss me off. I am trying to fix my junky car and this resource and the people donating their time to it are to be commended, not threatened. If he feels the need to fight with someone, he has found the right person. WTF. On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes <kdb@kbyrnes.com> wrote:
Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night warning me to hire an lawyer. Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights.
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This Michael dude needs to relax a bit. Does anyone have his phone number ? I need to have a chat with him, this whole vendetta against the list is starting to piss me off. I am trying to fix my junky car and this resource and the people donating their time to it are to be commended, not threatened. If he feels the need to fight with someone, he has found the right person. WTF. On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes <[1]kdb@kbyrnes.com> wrote: Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night warning me to hire an lawyer.A Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:kdb@kbyrnes.com 2. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
Kurt - as others have said, please let us know if you do end up having to defend yourself for keeping the list alive. The fact that so many of us are still here demonstrates how important it is to us and how grateful we are it is still around On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Kurt Byrnes <kdb@kbyrnes.com> wrote:
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Kurt - as others have said, please let us know if you do end up having to defend yourself for keeping the list alive. A The fact that so many of us are still here demonstrates how important it is to us and how grateful we are it is still around A A On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Kurt Byrnes <[1]kdb@kbyrnes.com> wrote: Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night warning me to hire an lawyer.A Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:kdb@kbyrnes.com 2. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
Interesting in that the initial request was to delete all his postings, but when I go to the POCA site I can't delete the few I have made there. Not only do I question POCA renewal, but now concern I have provided the membership information. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Byrnes Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2016 9:30 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night warning me to hire an lawyer. Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
That is just plain pathetic. Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Byrnes Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2016 6:30 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night warning me to hire an lawyer. Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
Kurt, That is extremely disappointing. I wish that I was a lawyer and could help. I have felt for years that being paid silly amounts of money to argue with people was a missed calling. I hope that someone here is capable and willing to provide the advice needed without cost to you. If the rest of us can help beyond our moral support and appreciation, please do not be shy about reaching out. We all (except one person, obviously) greatly appreciate you efforts. Mark Charlton pantera01826@rogers.com On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes <kdb@kbyrnes.com> wrote:
Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night warning me to hire an lawyer. Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights.
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Kurt, all copyrights are listed with the US Gov't Its possible to check there and see if ANY copywrites are assigned to any entity. The last time I checked, DeTomaso and Pantera were assigned to Allessandro's lawyer in Italy in the early '90s. Research is a good prelude to hiring a lawyer who will do this as his first move anyway. At $100.hr Cheers- J Deryke -----Original Message----- From: Mark Charlton <pantera01826@rogers.com> To: Kurt Byrnes <kdb@kbyrnes.com> Cc: detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Thu, Jun 9, 2016 7:37 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! Kurt, That is extremely disappointing. I wish that I was a lawyer and could help. I have felt for years that being paid silly amounts of money to argue with people was a missed calling. I hope that someone here is capable and willing to provide the advice needed without cost to you. If the rest of us can help beyond our moral support and appreciation, please do not be shy about reaching out. We all (except one person, obviously) greatly appreciate you efforts. Mark Charlton pantera01826@rogers.com On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes <kdb@kbyrnes.com> wrote:
Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night warning me to hire an lawyer. Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights.
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I think we all know this is only a threat. Michael could find a lawyer to pursue, because you can find a lawyer to pursue anything. But it would never go anywhere. If he wants to spend his money (or perhaps the POCA reserves) to pursue this, that's when we would take up a collection. Until that happens, just blow him off. -- Will On 6/10/16 2:49 AM, "Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Kurt, all copyrights are listed with the US Gov't Its possible to check there and see if ANY copywrites are assigned to any entity. The last time I checked, DeTomaso and Pantera were assigned to Allessandro's lawyer in Italy in the early '90s. Research is a good prelude to hiring a lawyer who will do this as his first move anyway. At $100.hr Cheers- J Deryke
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As a disclaimer, I do not litigate and do much less with copyrights than with patents or trademarks. The following is based on recollections of past readings. I'm not totally sure, but I suspect Shortt would never find an IP litigator to take a case like this on a contingency, and all the IP litigators I know are $300 to $600 an hour. Then there is an issue of damages and/or an injunction. A litigator could get a percentage of damages, but you must have either damages set by statute or have a basis for actual damages, for example, the loss of income because you lost sales, or because someone profited from the infringement. Not sure, but the copyright may have to be registered to get statutory damages, and there is no basis for loss of income or any infringer profit. So all Shortt might be able to get is an injunction, and that pays zero to an attorney. Also, I doubt Shortt would want to present a repost of his racist rant in court as evidence of infringement. One might even argue that such reposting was fair use because it provided the community with important insight into Shortt's qualifications to be the president of a national organization. So unless the kkk has staff attorneys providing free legal services, Shortt would probably have to pay an attorney to take a case like this. Can someone just get Shortt to lighten up and stop this crap? The Jekyll and Hyde routine is getting old. You can't keep telling people your a good guy typing to improve the club and at the same time treat people like dirt. Ken From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com> To: Jack DeRyke <JDeRyke@aol.com>; pantera01826@rogers.com; kdb@kbyrnes.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 5:29 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! I think we all know this is only a threat. Michael could find a lawyer to pursue, because you can find a lawyer to pursue anything. But it would never go anywhere. If he wants to spend his money (or perhaps the POCA reserves) to pursue this, that's when we would take up a collection. Until that happens, just blow him off. -- Will On 6/10/16 2:49 AM, "Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Kurt, all copyrights are listed with the US Gov't Its possible to check there and see if ANY copywrites are assigned to any entity. The last time I checked, DeTomaso and Pantera were assigned to Allessandro's lawyer in Italy in the early '90s. Research is a good prelude to hiring a lawyer who will do this as his first move anyway. At $100.hr Cheers- J Deryke
-----Original Message----- From: Mark Charlton <pantera01826@rogers.com> To: Kurt Byrnes <kdb@kbyrnes.com> Cc: detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Thu, Jun 9, 2016 7:37 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! Kurt, That is extremely disappointing. I wish that I was a lawyer and could help. I have felt for years that being paid silly amounts of money to argue with people was a missed calling. I hope that someone here is capable and willing to provide the advice needed without cost to you. If the rest of us can help beyond our moral support and appreciation, please do not be shy about reaching out. We all (except one person, obviously) greatly appreciate you efforts. Mark Charlton [1]pantera01826@rogers.com On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes <[2]kdb@kbyrnes.com> wrote: > Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night warning me to hire an lawyer. Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights. > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [3]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
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Kurt, all copyrights are listed with the US Gov't Its possible to check there and see if ANY copywrites are assigned to any entity. The last time I checked, DeTomaso and Pantera were assigned to Allessandro's lawyer in Italy in the early '90s. Research is a good prelude to hiring a lawyer who will do this as his first move anyway. At $100.hr Cheers- J Deryke
-----Original Message----- From: Mark Charlton <[2]pantera01826@rogers.com> To: Kurt Byrnes <[3]kdb@kbyrnes.com> Cc: detomaso <[4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Thu, Jun 9, 2016 7:37 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! Kurt, That is extremely disappointing. I wish that I was a lawyer and could help. I have felt for years that being paid silly amounts of money to argue with people was a missed calling. I hope that someone here is capable and willing to provide the advice needed without cost to you. If the rest of us can help beyond our moral support and appreciation, please do not be shy about reaching out. We all (except one person, obviously) greatly appreciate you efforts. Mark Charlton [1][5]pantera01826@rogers.com On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes <[2][6]kdb@kbyrnes.com> wrote:
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_______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. As a disclaimer, I do not litigate and do much less with copyrights than with patents or trademarks. The following is based on recollections of past readings. I'm not totally sure, but I suspect Shortt would never find an IP litigator to take a case like this on a contingency, and all the IP litigators I know are $300 to $600 an hour. Then there is an issue of damages and/or an injunction. A litigator could get a percentage of damages, but you must have either damages set by statute or have a basis for actual damages, for example, the loss of income because you lost sales, or because someone profited from the infringement. Not sure, but the copyright may have to be registered to get statutory damages, and there is no basis for loss of income or any infringer profit. So all Shortt might be able to get is an injunction, and that pays zero to an attorney. Also, I doubt Shortt would want to present a repost of his racist rant in court as evidence of infringement. One might even argue that such reposting was fair use because it provided the community with important insight into Shortt's qualifications to be the president of a national organization. So unless the kkk has staff attorneys providing free legal services, Shortt would probably have to pay an attorney to take a case like this. Can someone just get Shortt to lighten up and stop this crap? The Jekyll and Hyde routine is getting old. You can't keep telling people your a good guy typing to improve the club and at the same time treat people like dirt. Ken __________________________________________________________________ From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com> To: Jack DeRyke <JDeRyke@aol.com>; pantera01826@rogers.com; kdb@kbyrnes.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 5:29 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! I think we all know this is only a threat. Michael could find a lawyer to pursue, because you can find a lawyer to pursue anything. But it would never go anywhere. If he wants to spend his money (or perhaps the POCA reserves) to pursue this, that's when we would take up a collection. Until that happens, just blow him off. -- Will On 6/10/16 2:49 AM, "Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso" <[1]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: the list.
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"Can someone just get Shortt to lighten up and stop this crap? The Jekyll and Hyde routine is getting old. You can't keep telling people your a good guy typing to improve the club and at the same time treat people like dirt." Amen. I'd like to read emails mostly about Panteras again. Speaking of which, I just talked to Brian Graham the other day. He seems to have fond memories of the club, cars, etc. Corey
I bumped into Brian recently too. Was searching for a tool to bead the ends of Vinh's coolant pipes (we have to modify to accommodate a Quella triple pass radiator). I did some searching and Graham Tool came up as a vendor. Gave him a call, he asked about the application and the connection was made. We talked for quite a while about Panteras and his history with the marque. I bought his beading tool, which works great. ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Corey Price <coreyjprice@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:24 AM To: Ken Green Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! "Can someone just get Shortt to lighten up and stop this crap? The Jekyll and Hyde routine is getting old. You can't keep telling people your a good guy typing to improve the club and at the same time treat people like dirt." Amen. I'd like to read emails mostly about Panteras again. Speaking of which, I just talked to Brian Graham the other day. He seems to have fond memories of the club, cars, etc. Corey _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso DeTomaso Info Page<http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> server.detomasolist.com This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I bumped into Brian recently too. Was searching for a tool to bead the ends of Vinh's coolant pipes (we have to modify to accommodate a Quella triple pass radiator). I did some searching and Graham Tool came up as a vendor. Gave him a call, he asked about the application and the connection was made. We talked for quite a while about Panteras and his history with the marque. I bought his beading tool, which works great. __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Corey Price <coreyjprice@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:24 AM To: Ken Green Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! "Can someone just get Shortt to lighten up and stop this crap? The Jekyll and Hyde routine is getting old. You can't keep telling people your a good guy typing to improve the club and at the same time treat people like dirt." Amen. I'd like to read emails mostly about Panteras again. Speaking of which, I just talked to Brian Graham the other day. He seems to have fond memories of the club, cars, etc. Corey _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [1]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso [2]DeTomaso Info Page server.detomasolist.com This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
I bought the same tool for my cooling system mods for my Coyote! Corey
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I bumped into Brian recently too. Was searching for a tool to bead the ends of Vinh's coolant pipes (we have to modify to accommodate a Quella triple pass radiator). I did some searching and Graham Tool came up as a vendor. Gave him a call, he asked about the application and the connection was made. We talked for quite a while about Panteras and his history with the marque.
I bought his beading tool, which works great.
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Corey Price <coreyjprice@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:24 AM To: Ken Green Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats!
"Can someone just get Shortt to lighten up and stop this crap? The Jekyll and Hyde routine is getting old. You can't keep telling people your a good guy typing to improve the club and at the same time treat people like dirt."
Amen. I'd like to read emails mostly about Panteras again.
Speaking of which, I just talked to Brian Graham the other day. He seems to have fond memories of the club, cars, etc.
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I'm not an attorney either, but I totally agree with Ken. I think he's spot on!
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As a disclaimer, I do not litigate and do much less with copyrights than with patents or trademarks. The following is based on recollections of past readings. I'm not totally sure, but I suspect Shortt would never find an IP litigator to take a case like this on a contingency, and all the IP litigators I know are $300 to $600 an hour. Then there is an issue of damages and/or an injunction. A litigator could get a percentage of damages, but you must have either damages set by statute or have a basis for actual damages, for example, the loss of income because you lost sales, or because someone profited from the infringement. Not sure, but the copyright may have to be registered to get statutory damages, and there is no basis for loss of income or any infringer profit. So all Shortt might be able to get is an injunction, and that pays zero to an attorney. Also, I doubt Shortt would want to present a repost of his racist rant in court as evidence of infringement. One might even argue that such reposting was fair use because it provided the community with important insight into Shortt's qualifications to be the president of a national organization. So unless the kkk has staff attorneys providing free legal services, Shortt would probably have to pay an attorney to take a case like this. Can someone just get Shortt to lighten up and stop this crap? The Jekyll and Hyde routine is getting old. You can't keep telling people your a good guy typing to improve the club and at the same time treat people like dirt. Ken __________________________________________________________________
Kurt, all copyrights are listed with the US Gov't Its possible to check there and see if ANY copywrites are assigned to any entity. The last time I checked, DeTomaso and Pantera were assigned to Allessandro's lawyer in Italy in the early '90s. Research is a good prelude to hiring a lawyer who will do this as his first move anyway. At $100.hr Cheers- J Deryke
-----Original Message----- From: Mark Charlton <[2]pantera01826@rogers.com> To: Kurt Byrnes <[3]kdb@kbyrnes.com> Cc: detomaso <[4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Thu, Jun 9, 2016 7:37 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! Kurt, That is extremely disappointing. I wish that I was a lawyer and could help. I have felt for years that being paid silly amounts of money to argue with people was a missed calling. I hope that someone here is capable and willing to provide the advice needed without cost to you. If the rest of us can help beyond our moral support and appreciation, please do not be shy about reaching out. We all (except one person, obviously) greatly appreciate you efforts. Mark Charlton [1][5]pantera01826@rogers.com On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes <[2][6]kdb@kbyrnes.com> wrote:
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From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com> To: Jack DeRyke <JDeRyke@aol.com>; pantera01826@rogers.com; kdb@kbyrnes.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 5:29 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! I think we all know this is only a threat. Michael could find a lawyer to pursue, because you can find a lawyer to pursue anything. But it would never go anywhere. If he wants to spend his money (or perhaps the POCA reserves) to pursue this, that's when we would take up a collection. Until that happens, just blow him off. -- Will On 6/10/16 2:49 AM, "Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso" <[1]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: the list.
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Kurt, I'm not a lawyer, but you might think about forming a corporation to run the email list. It's an inexpensive way to protect your personal assets should this get ugly and I would think most of us would be glad to fund the cost. Jeff - I can't believe we are having this discussion 6559 On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes <kdb@kbyrnes.com> wrote:
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Relax. This is ludicrous. Absolutely nothing to worry about. No need to hassle incorporating the forum. Disturbed, snippety people scare others with legal threats because it's so easy. My schizophrenic, homeless sister does it from time to time, threatening my family with legal action ever since my Dad cut her out of his will over 20 years ago. He died in 1996 but to this day she still pulls this one out of her crazy bag and lobs it at us. The law is frighteningly confusing to most people and we all know that many lawyers are, shall we say, less than scrupulous so people tend to get a bit scared when threatened with the expensive, complicated, dark world of the lawsuit. Don't waste a dime or another thought worrying about this nonsense-- But, if you are truly worried and losing sleep over this, go pay a lawyer $100 and he/she will tell you the same thing. Sent using Hushmail On June 26, 2016 at 9:10 AM, "Jeff Detrich" wrote:Kurt, I'm not a lawyer, but you might think about forming a corporation to run the email list. It's an inexpensive way to protect your personal assets should this get ugly and I would think most of us would be glad to fund the cost. Jeff - I can't believe we are having this discussion 6559 On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes wrote: list.
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Relax. This is ludicrous. Absolutely nothing to worry about. No need to hassle incorporating the forum. Disturbed, snippety people scare others with legal threats because it's so easy. My schizophrenic, homeless sister does it from time to time, threatening my family with legal action ever since my Dad cut her out of his will over 20 years ago. He died in 1996 but to this day she still pulls this one out of her crazy bag and lobs it at us. The law is frighteningly confusing to most people and we all know that many lawyers are, shall we say, less than scrupulous so people tend to get a bit scared when threatened with the expensive, complicated, dark world of the lawsuit. Don't waste a dime or another thought worrying about this nonsense-- But, if you are truly worried and losing sleep over this, go pay a lawyer $100 and he/she will tell you the same thing. Sent using Hushmail On June 26, 2016 at 9:10 AM, "Jeff Detrich" <jjdetrich@gmail.com> wrote: Kurt, I'm not a lawyer, but you might think about forming a corporation to run the email list. It's an inexpensive way to protect your personal assets should this get ugly and I would think most of us would be glad to fund the cost. Jeff - I can't believe we are having this discussion 6559 On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes <kdb@kbyrnes.com> wrote: > Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night warning me > to hire an lawyer. Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights. > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > [1]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > References 1. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
Thank you sir, audionut, for some clarity. Maybe this thread-neurosis may come to an end. And Kurt, if this belief and understandable worry ***Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights,**** is worth a minute of your thought, then write and ask your accuser and cc the group to have your accuser state if you-us are or if you-us are not apparently doing a wrong. SIMPLE and if this person does not respond then you have your answer. Since you seem unclear and worried then YOU MUST have your problem watchdog person state if what you-us are doing is wrong. CLARITY WILL KILL THIS FEAR. No induced problem, no wrong and no accuser then all is well. Not all dogs bite. Know where you are walking. Lawyers will just f**k small things up. This perceived issue is just a 5 hr pimple not skin cancer. Keep the lawyers at bay for the big problems. Jeff Cobb ----------------------------------------------------- On Jun 26, 2016, at 11:37 AM, audionut@hushmail.com wrote:
Relax. This is ludicrous. Absolutely nothing to worry about. No need to hassle incorporating the forum.
Disturbed, snippety people scare others with legal threats because it's so easy. My schizophrenic, homeless sister does it from time to time, threatening my family with legal action ever since my Dad cut her out of his will over 20 years ago. He died in 1996 but to this day she still pulls this one out of her crazy bag and lobs it at us.
The law is frighteningly confusing to most people and we all know that many lawyers are, shall we say, less than scrupulous so people tend to get a bit scared when threatened with the expensive, complicated, dark world of the lawsuit.
Don't waste a dime or another thought worrying about this nonsense--
But, if you are truly worried and losing sleep over this, go pay a lawyer $100 and he/she will tell you the same thing. Sent using Hushmail On June 26, 2016 at 9:10 AM, "Jeff Detrich" <jjdetrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Kurt, I'm not a lawyer, but you might think about forming a corporation to run the email list. It's an inexpensive way to protect your personal assets should this get ugly and I would think most of us would be glad to fund the cost. Jeff - I can't believe we are having this discussion 6559 On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes <kdb@kbyrnes.com> wrote:
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Thank you sir, audionut, for some clarity. Maybe this thread-neurosis may come to an end. And Kurt, if this belief and understandable worry ***Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights,**** is worth a minute of your thought, then write and ask your accuser and cc the group to have your accuser state if you-us are or if you-us are not apparently doing a wrong. SIMPLE and if this person does not respond then you have your answer. Since you seem unclear and worried then YOU MUST have your problem watchdog person state if what you-us are doing is wrong. CLARITY WILL KILL THIS FEAR. No induced problem, no wrong and no accuser then all is well. Not all dogs bite. Know where you are walking. Lawyers will just f**k small things up. This perceived issue is just a 5 hr pimple not skin cancer. Keep the lawyers at bay for the big problems. Jeff Cobb ----------------------------------------------------- On Jun 26, 2016, at 11:37 AM, [1]audionut@hushmail.com wrote: Relax. This is ludicrous. Absolutely nothing to worry about. No need to hassle incorporating the forum. Disturbed, snippety people scare others with legal threats because it's so easy. My schizophrenic, homeless sister does it from time to time, threatening my family with legal action ever since my Dad cut her out of his will over 20 years ago. He died in 1996 but to this day she still pulls this one out of her crazy bag and lobs it at us. The law is frighteningly confusing to most people and we all know that many lawyers are, shall we say, less than scrupulous so people tend to get a bit scared when threatened with the expensive, complicated, dark world of the lawsuit. Don't waste a dime or another thought worrying about this nonsense-- But, if you are truly worried and losing sleep over this, go pay a lawyer $100 and he/she will tell you the same thing. Sent using Hushmail On June 26, 2016 at 9:10 AM, "Jeff Detrich" <[2]jjdetrich@gmail.com> wrote: Kurt, I'm not a lawyer, but you might think about forming a corporation to run the email list. It's an inexpensive way to protect your personal assets should this get ugly and I would think most of us would be glad to fund the cost. Jeff - I can't believe we are having this discussion 6559 On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes <[3]kdb@kbyrnes.com> wrote: Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night warning me to hire an lawyer. Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [4]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [1]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [6]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:audionut@hushmail.com 2. mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com 3. mailto:kdb@kbyrnes.com 4. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 6. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com
Relax. This is ludicrous. Absolutely nothing to worry about. No need to hassle incorporating the forum.
Disturbed, snippety people scare others with legal threats because it's so easy. My schizophrenic, homeless sister does it from time to time, threatening my family with legal action ever since my Dad cut her out of his will over 20 years ago. He died in 1996 but to this day she still pulls this one out of her crazy bag and lobs it at us.
The law is frighteningly confusing to most people and we all know that many lawyers are, shall we say, less than scrupulous so people tend to get a bit scared when threatened with the expensive, complicated, dark world of the lawsuit.
Don't waste a dime or another thought worrying about this nonsense--
But, if you are truly worried and losing sleep over this, go pay a lawyer $100 and he/she will tell you the same thing. Sent using Hushmail On June 26, 2016 at 9:10 AM, "Jeff Detrich" <jjdetrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Kurt, I'm not a lawyer, but you might think about forming a corporation to run the email list. It's an inexpensive way to protect your personal assets should this get ugly and I would think most of us would be glad to fund the cost. Jeff - I can't believe we are having this discussion 6559 On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes <kdb@kbyrnes.com> wrote:
Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night warning me to hire an lawyer. Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights.
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If the problem is "your list" is in violation of something, and the "list" consist of all of "us", then including the list/us seems appropriate in such discussions. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Cobb Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 13:08 PM To: audionut@hushmail.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! Thank you sir, audionut, for some clarity. Maybe this thread-neurosis may come to an end. And Kurt, if this belief and understandable worry ***Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights,**** is worth a minute of your thought, then write and ask your accuser and cc the group to have your accuser state if you-us are or if you-us are not apparently doing a wrong. SIMPLE and if this person does not respond then you have your answer. Since you seem unclear and worried then YOU MUST have your problem watchdog person state if what you-us are doing is wrong. CLARITY WILL KILL THIS FEAR. No induced problem, no wrong and no accuser then all is well. Not all dogs bite. Know where you are walking. Lawyers will just f**k small things up. This perceived issue is just a 5 hr pimple not skin cancer. Keep the lawyers at bay for the big problems. Jeff Cobb ----------------------------------------------------- On Jun 26, 2016, at 11:37 AM, audionut@hushmail.com wrote: the links above.
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Relax. This is ludicrous. Absolutely nothing to worry about. No need to hassle incorporating the forum.
Disturbed, snippety people scare others with legal threats because it's so easy. My schizophrenic, homeless sister does it from time to time, threatening my family with legal action ever since my Dad cut her out of his will over 20 years ago. He died in 1996 but to this day she still pulls this one out of her crazy bag and lobs it at us.
The law is frighteningly confusing to most people and we all know that many lawyers are, shall we say, less than scrupulous so people tend to get a bit scared when threatened with the expensive, complicated, dark world of the lawsuit.
Don't waste a dime or another thought worrying about this nonsense--
But, if you are truly worried and losing sleep over this, go pay a lawyer $100 and he/she will tell you the same thing. Sent using Hushmail On June 26, 2016 at 9:10 AM, "Jeff Detrich" <jjdetrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Kurt, I'm not a lawyer, but you might think about forming a corporation to run the email list. It's an inexpensive way to protect your personal assets should this get ugly and I would think most of us would be glad to fund the cost. Jeff - I can't believe we are having this discussion 6559 On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes <kdb@kbyrnes.com> wrote:
Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night warning me to hire an lawyer. Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights.
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I am not a copyright lawyer, but my understanding is that as soon as someone creates something, that person has the copyright to it. So if I write a post describing "how I change the coolant in my Pantera," I have the copyright to that unless I specifically sign it over to someone else. This is the issue the musicians of the '60's and '70's clarified when they said they owned the music they wrote and the record companies said they did. The courts found for the musicians. So I don't see how anyone has the copyright to a bunch of various posts written by individuals as friends. So unless someone or some company is the official owner of the list and they have warned everyone who posts on it that they then hold the copyright to whatever is written there, the idea of a lawsuit does not make sense. And who, exactly, is the owner and how would one assign monetary damages to the copyright infringement? If the owner is the Club, the President could only file a lawsuit in compliance with the Club charter, which I'm sure does include that. Jim Oddie -----Original Message----- From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Cc: detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Sun, Jun 26, 2016 10:21 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! If the problem is "your list" is in violation of something, and the "list" consist of all of "us", then including the list/us seems appropriate in such discussions. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Cobb Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 13:08 PM To: audionut@hushmail.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! Thank you sir, audionut, for some clarity. Maybe this thread-neurosis may come to an end. And Kurt, if this belief and understandable worry ***Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights,**** is worth a minute of your thought, then write and ask your accuser and cc the group to have your accuser state if you-us are or if you-us are not apparently doing a wrong. SIMPLE and if this person does not respond then you have your answer. Since you seem unclear and worried then YOU MUST have your problem watchdog person state if what you-us are doing is wrong. CLARITY WILL KILL THIS FEAR. No induced problem, no wrong and no accuser then all is well. Not all dogs bite. Know where you are walking. Lawyers will just f**k small things up. This perceived issue is just a 5 hr pimple not skin cancer. Keep the lawyers at bay for the big problems. Jeff Cobb ----------------------------------------------------- On Jun 26, 2016, at 11:37 AM, audionut@hushmail.com wrote: the links above.
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Relax. This is ludicrous. Absolutely nothing to worry about. No need to hassle incorporating the forum.
Disturbed, snippety people scare others with legal threats because it's so easy. My schizophrenic, homeless sister does it from time to time, threatening my family with legal action ever since my Dad cut her out of his will over 20 years ago. He died in 1996 but to this day she still pulls this one out of her crazy bag and lobs it at us.
The law is frighteningly confusing to most people and we all know
many lawyers are, shall we say, less than scrupulous so people tend to get a bit scared when threatened with the expensive, complicated, dark world of the lawsuit.
Don't waste a dime or another thought worrying about this nonsense--
But, if you are truly worried and losing sleep over this, go pay a lawyer $100 and he/she will tell you the same thing. Sent using Hushmail On June 26, 2016 at 9:10 AM, "Jeff Detrich" <[5]jjdetrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night warning me to hire an lawyer. Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights.
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Kurt, I'm not a lawyer, but you might think about forming a corporation to run the email list. It's an inexpensive way to protect your personal assets should this get ugly and I would think most of us would be glad to fund the cost. Jeff - I can't believe we are having this discussion 6559 On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes <[6]kdb@kbyrnes.com> wrote: list.
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Relax. This is ludicrous. Absolutely nothing to worry about. No need to hassle incorporating the forum.
Disturbed, snippety people scare others with legal threats because it's so easy. My schizophrenic, homeless sister does it from time to time, threatening my family with legal action ever since my Dad cut her out of his will over 20 years ago. He died in 1996 but to this day she still pulls this one out of her crazy bag and lobs it at us.
The law is frighteningly confusing to most people and we all know
_The courts found for the musicians_. If only that were true! (I've been involved in the music biz, more or less, since I was 13). Musicians, if they are lucky, get paid for playing music and that's about it. If a musician happens to also be a songwriter, then as a songwriter he/she retains rights to monies earned by the song only if they retain publishing rights. Once they sign over publishing rights to a record label, the song is not "theirs" anymore. That is how, for instance, the Beatles catalog can be bought and sold. Otherwise, the songwriter only make a royalty sum per unit (album, CD, download) sold. If the song is "covered" by another artist/label who wishes to make money off the song, the label negotiates a licensing deal with the artist/label covering the song. The original songwriter makes nothing off of any subsequent versions of their song without owning it's publishing rights. In rare instances, lawsuits have been brought by songwriters who felt that another songwriter substantially appropriated their song. Most notably was the case where George Harrison was sued by the songwriters of the 60's hit "He's So Fine", claiming that Harrison's "My Sweet Lord", written years later, was nearly identical. The jury agreed and Harrison lost the case on the basis that he had committed "unconscious plagiarism" (they ruled that he had copied the song without being aware of it). In their formative years, hip hop (rap) artists were also sued left and right because of their use of digital sampling (tiny recorded bits of published songs) without permission. Now anybody wishing to "sample" somebody else's song byte and use it on a song that gets sold has to get permission first from the publisher which usually involves some kind of licensing deal. A friend of mine wanted to use a sample of a guitar part in a famous song by the punk bad "X". He called Billy Zoom and asked him first. Billy told him "If it ends up making money for you, stop by with a pizza and a case of beer and we'll call it square." He used it, but made no money from it. No pizza, no beer, no Billy. Generally speaking, copyright law exists to prevent folks from obtaining monetary gain from the published works of another. Any lawsuit claiming copyright infringement is going to have to prove that copyrighted works were intentionally duplicated and then sold for personal financial gain. Technically speaking, if I took a copy of "The Hobbit" and duplicated it a thousand times and handed them out on the street for free, that would be copyright infringement and a lawsuit could be brought against me, but it is unlikely that Tolkien's estate or it's publisher would come after me for damages unless I was rich enough to milk or I kept doing it after they asked me to stop. The key issue is money-- taking profit from the works of another without license or permission. See now how stupid this threat is? The other thing that "suit-happy" people threaten others with is this: "Well, maybe the suit has no merit, but I can mess with you anyway. You will have to pay to defend yourself." This is not true either. You can ignore the entire thing. You can avoid a summons almost indefinitely if you are clever enough. If you do get served, you can just fail to show up in court. True, the other guy wins by default but then it is up to him to collect any damages awarded. Of course, there will not be any damages awarded because there has been no basis to grant relief. In other words, no harm has been done upon which fair compensation would be assessed. What possible damage to this guy do we have here? Emotional distress? _"Your honor, the creation of this email forum containing archives of things I've said in conversation has caused me sleepless nights, extended fits of crying and chronic, painful diarrhea." _ Because there is no basis for relief, no lawyer in his right mind would take the case. And that assumes a court will even decide to hear it, which it will not. If whatever people say to each other on the internet constitutes a "published work", then every time you hit "reply" without deleting what you are replying to, you are violating copyright law. Nonsense. This leaves the plaintiff in the position of having to attempt to file the suit pro per (on their own), which can be done, but is quite unusual. Not to mention a bizarre and fruitless waste of time. If anybody is being harmed here, it is Kurt, being the target of harassment. A frivolous lawsuit brought against this guy on the basis of harassment would easily have as much or more merit than this copyright infringement silliness. Copyright 2016, Audionut Productions, Ltd. Reply to this message without deleting my words and I will sue you! Sent using Hushmail On June 26, 2016 at 12:11 PM, "Pantdino via DeTomaso" wrote:I am not a copyright lawyer, but my understanding is that as soon as someone creates something, that person has the copyright to it. So if I write a post describing "how I change the coolant in my Pantera," I have the copyright to that unless I specifically sign it over to someone else. This is the issue the musicians of the '60's and '70's clarified when they said they owned the music they wrote and the record companies said they did. The courts found for the musicians. So I don't see how anyone has the copyright to a bunch of various posts written by individuals as friends. So unless someone or some company is the official owner of the list and they have warned everyone who posts on it that they then hold the copyright to whatever is written there, the idea of a lawsuit does not make sense. And who, exactly, is the owner and how would one assign monetary damages to the copyright infringement? If the owner is the Club, the President could only file a lawsuit in compliance with the Club charter, which I'm sure does include that. Jim Oddie -----Original Message----- From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. Cc: detomaso Sent: Sun, Jun 26, 2016 10:21 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! If the problem is "your list" is in violation of something, and the "list" consist of all of "us", then including the list/us seems appropriate in such discussions. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Cobb Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 13:08 PM To: audionut@hushmail.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! Thank you sir, audionut, for some clarity. Maybe this thread-neurosis may come to an end. And Kurt, if this belief and understandable worry ***Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights,**** is worth a minute of your thought, then write and ask your accuser and cc the group to have your accuser state if you-us are or if you-us are not apparently doing a wrong. SIMPLE and if this person does not respond then you have your answer. Since you seem unclear and worried then YOU MUST have your problem watchdog person state if what you-us are doing is wrong. CLARITY WILL KILL THIS FEAR. No induced problem, no wrong and no accuser then all is well. Not all dogs bite. Know where you are walking. Lawyers will just f**k small things up. This perceived issue is just a 5 hr pimple not skin cancer. Keep the lawyers at bay for the big problems. Jeff Cobb ----------------------------------------------------- On Jun 26, 2016, at 11:37 AM, audionut@hushmail.com wrote: that
many lawyers are, shall we say, less than scrupulous so people tend to get a bit scared when threatened with the expensive, complicated, dark world of the lawsuit.
Don't waste a dime or another thought worrying about this nonsense--
But, if you are truly worried and losing sleep over this, go pay a lawyer $100 and he/she will tell you the same thing. Sent using Hushmail On June 26, 2016 at 9:10 AM, "Jeff Detrich" wrote:
Kurt, I'm not a lawyer, but you might think about forming a corporation to run the email list. It's an inexpensive way to protect your personal assets should this get ugly and I would think most of us would be glad to fund the cost. Jeff - I can't believe we are having this discussion 6559 On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes wrote:
Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night warning me to hire an lawyer. Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights.
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That is how, for instance, the Beatles catalog can be bought and sold. Otherwise, the songwriter only make a royalty sum per unit (album, CD, download) sold. If the song is "covered" by another artist/label who wishes to make money off the song, the label negotiates a licensing deal with the artist/label covering the song. The original songwriter makes nothing off of any subsequent versions of their song without owning it's publishing rights. In rare instances, lawsuits have been brought by songwriters who felt that another songwriter substantially appropriated their song. Most notably was the case where George Harrison was sued by the songwriters of the 60's hit "He's So Fine", claiming that Harrison's "My Sweet Lord", written years later, was nearly identical. The jury agreed and Harrison lost the case on the basis that he had committed "unconscious plagiarism" (they ruled that he had copied the song without being aware of it). In their formative years, hip hop (rap) artists were also sued left and right because of their use of digital sampling (tiny recorded bits of published songs) without permission. Now anybody wishing to "sample" somebody else's song byte and use it on a song that gets sold has to get permission first from the publisher which usually involves some kind of licensing deal. A friend of mine wanted to use a sample of a guitar part in a famous song by the punk bad "X". He called Billy Zoom and asked him first. Billy told him "If it ends up making money for you, stop by with a pizza and a case of beer and we'll call it square." He used it, but made no money from it. No pizza, no beer, no Billy. Generally speaking, copyright law exists to prevent folks from obtaining monetary gain from the published works of another. Any lawsuit claiming copyright infringement is going to have to prove that copyrighted works were intentionally duplicated and then sold for personal financial gain. Technically speaking, if I took a copy of "The Hobbit" and duplicated it a thousand times and handed them out on the street for free, that would be copyright infringement and a lawsuit could be brought against me, but it is unlikely that Tolkien's estate or it's publisher would come after me for damages unless I was rich enough to milk or I kept doing it after they asked me to stop. The key issue is money-- taking profit from the works of another without license or permission. See now how stupid this threat is? The other thing that "suit-happy" people threaten others with is this: "Well, maybe the suit has no merit, but I can mess with you anyway. You will have to pay to defend yourself." This is not true either. You can ignore the entire thing. You can avoid a summons almost indefinitely if you are clever enough. If you do get served, you can just fail to show up in court. True, the other guy wins by default but then it is up to him to collect any damages awarded. Of course, there will not be any damages awarded because there has been no basis to grant relief. In other words, no harm has been done upon which fair compensation would be assessed. What possible damage to this guy do we have here? Emotional distress? "Your honor, the creation of this email forum containing archives of things I've said in conversation has caused me sleepless nights, extended fits of crying and chronic, painful diarrhea." Because there is no basis for relief, no lawyer in his right mind would take the case. And that assumes a court will even decide to hear it, which it will not. If whatever people say to each other on the internet constitutes a "published work", then every time you hit "reply" without deleting what you are replying to, you are violating copyright law. Nonsense. This leaves the plaintiff in the position of having to attempt to file the suit pro per (on their own), which can be done, but is quite unusual. Not to mention a bizarre and fruitless waste of time. If anybody is being harmed here, it is Kurt, being the target of harassment. A frivolous lawsuit brought against this guy on the basis of harassment would easily have as much or more merit than this copyright infringement silliness. Copyright 2016, Audionut Productions, Ltd. Reply to this message without deleting my words and I will sue you! Sent using Hushmail On June 26, 2016 at 12:11 PM, "Pantdino via DeTomaso" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: I am not a copyright lawyer, but my understanding is that as soon as someone creates something, that person has the copyright to it. So if I write a post describing "how I change the coolant in my Pantera," I have the copyright to that unless I specifically sign it over to someone else. This is the issue the musicians of the '60's and '70's clarified when they said they owned the music they wrote and the record companies said they did. The courts found for the musicians. So I don't see how anyone has the copyright to a bunch of various posts written by individuals as friends. So unless someone or some company is the official owner of the list and they have warned everyone who posts on it that they then hold the copyright to whatever is written there, the idea of a lawsuit does not make sense. And who, exactly, is the owner and how would one assign monetary damages to the copyright infringement? If the owner is the Club, the President could only file a lawsuit in compliance with the Club charter, which I'm sure does include that. Jim Oddie -----Original Message----- From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Cc: detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Sun, Jun 26, 2016 10:21 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! If the problem is "your list" is in violation of something, and the "list" consist of all of "us", then including the list/us seems appropriate in such discussions. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Cobb Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 13:08 PM To: audionut@hushmail.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! Thank you sir, audionut, for some clarity. Maybe this thread-neurosis may come to an end. And Kurt, if this belief and understandable worry ***Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights,**** is worth a minute of your thought, then write and ask your accuser and cc the group to have your accuser state if you-us are or if you-us are not apparently doing a wrong. SIMPLE and if this person does not respond then you have your answer. Since you seem unclear and worried then YOU MUST have your problem watchdog person state if what you-us are doing is wrong. CLARITY WILL KILL THIS FEAR. No induced problem, no wrong and no accuser then all is well. Not all dogs bite. Know where you are walking. Lawyers will just f**k small things up. This perceived issue is just a 5 hr pimple not skin cancer. Keep the lawyers at bay for the big problems. Jeff Cobb ----------------------------------------------------- On Jun 26, 2016, at 11:37 AM, audionut@hushmail.com wrote: > Relax. This is ludicrous. Absolutely nothing to worry about. No need > to hassle incorporating the forum. > > > Disturbed, snippety people scare others with legal threats because it's > so easy. My schizophrenic, homeless sister does it from time to time, > threatening my family with legal action ever since my Dad cut her out > of his will over 20 years ago. He died in 1996 but to this day she > still pulls this one out of her crazy bag and lobs it at us. > > > The law is frighteningly confusing to most people and we all know that > many lawyers are, shall we say, less than scrupulous so people tend to > get a bit scared when threatened with the expensive, complicated, dark > world of the lawsuit. > > > Don't waste a dime or another thought worrying about this nonsense-- > > > But, if you are truly worried and losing sleep over this, go pay a > lawyer $100 and he/she will tell you the same thing. > Sent using Hushmail > On June 26, 2016 at 9:10 AM, "Jeff Detrich" <jjdetrich@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Kurt, > I'm not a lawyer, but you might think about forming a corporation to > run > the email list. It's an inexpensive way to protect your personal > assets > should this get ugly and I would think most of us would be glad to > fund the > cost. > Jeff - I can't believe we are having this discussion > 6559 > On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes <kdb@kbyrnes.com> wrote: >> Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night > warning me >> to hire an lawyer. 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Not true, Jim Oddie, in Louisiana and most if not all of USA. A person must apply, sign documents and pay for the security of the copyright law with The Secretary of State. I own four copyrights and trademarks. Yet the trademark for my 34 year old business name would be mine regardless of paperwork because it has and is fact that I should own it by reason of domain. Jeff Cobb On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
I am not a copyright lawyer, but my understanding is that as soon as someone creates something, that person has the copyright to it. So if I write a post describing "how I change the coolant in my Pantera," I have the copyright to that unless I specifically sign it over to someone else. This is the issue the musicians of the '60's and '70's clarified when they said they owned the music they wrote and the record companies said they did. The courts found for the musicians.
So I don't see how anyone has the copyright to a bunch of various posts written by individuals as friends. So unless someone or some company is the official owner of the list and they have warned everyone who posts on it that they then hold the copyright to whatever is written there, the idea of a lawsuit does not make sense. And who, exactly, is the owner and how would one assign monetary damages to the copyright infringement? If the owner is the Club, the President could only file a lawsuit in compliance with the Club charter, which I'm sure does include that.
Jim Oddie
Relax. This is ludicrous. Absolutely nothing to worry about. No need to hassle incorporating the forum.
Disturbed, snippety people scare others with legal threats because it's so easy. My schizophrenic, homeless sister does it from time to time, threatening my family with legal action ever since my Dad cut her out of his will over 20 years ago. He died in 1996 but to this day she still pulls this one out of her crazy bag and lobs it at us.
The law is frighteningly confusing to most people and we all know
many lawyers are, shall we say, less than scrupulous so people tend to get a bit scared when threatened with the expensive, complicated, dark world of the lawsuit.
Don't waste a dime or another thought worrying about this nonsense--
But, if you are truly worried and losing sleep over this, go pay a lawyer $100 and he/she will tell you the same thing. Sent using Hushmail On June 26, 2016 at 9:10 AM, "Jeff Detrich" <[5]jjdetrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night warning me to hire an lawyer. Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights.
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-----Original Message----- From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Cc: detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Sun, Jun 26, 2016 10:21 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! If the problem is "your list" is in violation of something, and the "list" consist of all of "us", then including the list/us seems appropriate in such discussions. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Cobb Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 13:08 PM To: [2]audionut@hushmail.com Cc: [3]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! Thank you sir, audionut, for some clarity. Maybe this thread-neurosis may come to an end. And Kurt, if this belief and understandable worry ***Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights,**** is worth a minute of your thought, then write and ask your accuser and cc the group to have your accuser state if you-us are or if you-us are not apparently doing a wrong. SIMPLE and if this person does not respond then you have your answer. Since you seem unclear and worried then YOU MUST have your problem watchdog person state if what you-us are doing is wrong. CLARITY WILL KILL THIS FEAR. No induced problem, no wrong and no accuser then all is well. Not all dogs bite. Know where you are walking. Lawyers will just f**k small things up. This perceived issue is just a 5 hr pimple not skin cancer. Keep the lawyers at bay for the big problems. Jeff Cobb ----------------------------------------------------- On Jun 26, 2016, at 11:37 AM, [4]audionut@hushmail.com wrote: that the links above.
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You can look at this government publication: http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ01.pdf Starting at the bottom of page 3: How to Secure a Copyright Copyright Secured Automatically upon CreationThe way in which copyright protection is secured is frequently misunderstood. No publication or registration or other action in the Copyright Office is required to secure copyright. See the following note. There are, however, certain definite advantages to registration. See Copyright Registration on page 7. and on page 7: • Before an infringement suit may be filed in court, registration is necessary for works of U. S. origin. There is a safe harbor for fair use. If you take just part of a copyrighted work, and repost it commenting on it, it should fall within the safe harbor. So, for example, if someone running for an elected position, had made posts which might reflect on his suitability for the position, you should be able to repost portions of interest along with your comments. Ken From: Jeff Cobb <jeffcobb1@me.com> To: Pantdino <pantdino@aol.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! Not true, Jim Oddie, in Louisiana and most if not all of USA. A person must apply, sign documents and pay for the security of the copyright law with The Secretary of State. I own four copyrights and trademarks. Yet the trademark for my 34 year old business name would be mine regardless of paperwork because it has and is fact that I should own it by reason of domain. Jeff Cobb On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
I am not a copyright lawyer, but my understanding is that as soon as someone creates something, that person has the copyright to it. So if I write a post describing "how I change the coolant in my Pantera," I have the copyright to that unless I specifically sign it over to someone else. This is the issue the musicians of the '60's and '70's clarified when they said they owned the music they wrote and the record companies said they did. The courts found for the musicians.
So I don't see how anyone has the copyright to a bunch of various posts written by individuals as friends. So unless someone or some company is the official owner of the list and they have warned everyone who posts on it that they then hold the copyright to whatever is written there, the idea of a lawsuit does not make sense. And who, exactly, is the owner and how would one assign monetary damages to the copyright infringement? If the owner is the Club, the President could only file a lawsuit in compliance with the Club charter, which I'm sure does include that.
Jim Oddie
-----Original Message----- From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Cc: detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Sun, Jun 26, 2016 10:21 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! If the problem is "your list" is in violation of something, and the "list" consist of all of "us", then including the list/us seems appropriate in such discussions. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Cobb Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 13:08 PM To: [2]audionut@hushmail.com Cc: [3]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! Thank you sir, audionut, for some clarity. Maybe this thread-neurosis may come to an end. And Kurt, if this belief and understandable worry ***Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights,**** is worth a minute of your thought, then write and ask your accuser and cc the group to have your accuser state if you-us are or if you-us are not apparently doing a wrong. SIMPLE and if this person does not respond then you have your answer. Since you seem unclear and worried then YOU MUST have your problem watchdog person state if what you-us are doing is wrong. CLARITY WILL KILL THIS FEAR. No induced problem, no wrong and no accuser then all is well. Not all dogs bite. Know where you are walking. Lawyers will just f**k small things up. This perceived issue is just a 5 hr pimple not skin cancer. Keep the lawyers at bay for the big problems. Jeff Cobb ----------------------------------------------------- On Jun 26, 2016, at 11:37 AM, [4]audionut@hushmail.com wrote:
Relax. This is ludicrous. Absolutely nothing to worry about. No need to hassle incorporating the forum.
Disturbed, snippety people scare others with legal threats because it's so easy. My schizophrenic, homeless sister does it from time to time, threatening my family with legal action ever since my Dad cut her out of his will over 20 years ago. He died in 1996 but to this day she still pulls this one out of her crazy bag and lobs it at us.
The law is frighteningly confusing to most people and we all know that many lawyers are, shall we say, less than scrupulous so people tend to get a bit scared when threatened with the expensive, complicated, dark world of the lawsuit.
Don't waste a dime or another thought worrying about this nonsense--
But, if you are truly worried and losing sleep over this, go pay a lawyer $100 and he/she will tell you the same thing. Sent using Hushmail On June 26, 2016 at 9:10 AM, "Jeff Detrich" <[5]jjdetrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night warning me to hire an lawyer. Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights.
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I am not a copyright lawyer, but my understanding is that as soon as someone creates something, that person has the copyright to it. So if I write a post describing "how I change the coolant in my Pantera," I have the copyright to that unless I specifically sign it over to someone else. This is the issue the musicians of the '60's and '70's clarified when they said they owned the music they wrote and the record companies said they did. The courts found for the musicians.
So I don't see how anyone has the copyright to a bunch of various
written by individuals as friends. So unless someone or some company is the official owner of the list and they have warned everyone who posts on it that they then hold the copyright to whatever is written there, the idea of a lawsuit does not make sense. And who, exactly, is the owner and how would one assign monetary damages to the copyright infringement? If the owner is the Club, the President could only file a lawsuit in compliance with the Club charter, which I'm sure does include that.
Jim Oddie
Relax. This is ludicrous. Absolutely nothing to worry about. No need to hassle incorporating the forum.
Disturbed, snippety people scare others with legal threats because it's so easy. My schizophrenic, homeless sister does it from time to time, threatening my family with legal action ever since my Dad cut her out of his will over 20 years ago. He died in 1996 but to this day she still pulls this one out of her crazy bag and lobs it at us.
The law is frighteningly confusing to most people and we all know
many lawyers are, shall we say, less than scrupulous so people tend to get a bit scared when threatened with the expensive, complicated, dark world of the lawsuit.
Don't waste a dime or another thought worrying about this nonsense--
But, if you are truly worried and losing sleep over this, go pay a lawyer $100 and he/she will tell you the same thing. Sent using Hushmail On June 26, 2016 at 9:10 AM, "Jeff Detrich" <[5][9]jjdetrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night warning me to hire an lawyer. Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights.
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-----Original Message----- From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[3]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Cc: detomaso <[4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Sun, Jun 26, 2016 10:21 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! If the problem is "your list" is in violation of something, and the "list" consist of all of "us", then including the list/us seems appropriate in such discussions. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Cobb Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 13:08 PM To: [2][6]audionut@hushmail.com Cc: [3][7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! Thank you sir, audionut, for some clarity. Maybe this thread-neurosis may come to an end. And Kurt, if this belief and understandable worry ***Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights,**** is worth a minute of your thought, then write and ask your accuser and cc the group to have your accuser state if you-us are or if you-us are not apparently doing a wrong. SIMPLE and if this person does not respond then you have your answer. Since you seem unclear and worried then YOU MUST have your problem watchdog person state if what you-us are doing is wrong. CLARITY WILL KILL THIS FEAR. No induced problem, no wrong and no accuser then all is well. Not all dogs bite. Know where you are walking. Lawyers will just f**k small things up. This perceived issue is just a 5 hr pimple not skin cancer. Keep the lawyers at bay for the big problems. Jeff Cobb ----------------------------------------------------- On Jun 26, 2016, at 11:37 AM, [4][8]audionut@hushmail.com wrote: that the links above.
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_______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. You can look at this government publication: [1]http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ01.pdf Starting at the bottom of page 3: How to Secure a Copyright Copyright Secured Automatically upon Creation The way in which copyright protection is secured is frequently misunderstood. No publication or registration or other action in the Copyright Office is required to secure copyright. See the following note. There are, however, certain definite advantages to registration. See Copyright Registration on page 7. and on page 7: a-c- Before an infringement suit may be filed in court, registration is necessary for works of U. S. origin. There is a safe harbor for fair use. If you take just part of a copyrighted work, and repost it commenting on it, it should fall within the safe harbor. So, for example, if someone running for an elected position, had made posts which might reflect on his suitability for the position, you should be able to repost portions of interest along with your comments. Ken __________________________________________________________________ From: Jeff Cobb <jeffcobb1@me.com> To: Pantdino <pantdino@aol.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! Not true, Jim Oddie, in Louisiana and most if not all of USA. A person must apply, sign documents and pay for the security of the copyright law with The Secretary of State. I own four copyrights and trademarks. Yet the trademark for my 34 year old business name would be mine regardless of paperwork because it has and is fact that I should own it by reason of domain. Jeff Cobb On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: posts list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [33]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [34]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ01.pdf 2. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:byrdjf@embarqmail.com 4. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 6. mailto:audionut@hushmail.com 7. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 8. mailto:audionut@hushmail.com 9. mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com 10. mailto:kdb@kbyrnes.com 11. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 12. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 13. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 14. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 15. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 16. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 17. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 18. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 19. mailto:audionut@hushmail.com 20. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 21. mailto:audionut@hushmail.com 22. mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com 23. mailto:kdb@kbyrnes.com 24. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 25. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 26. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 27. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 28. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 29. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 30. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 31. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 32. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 33. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 34. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
I am not a copyright lawyer, but my understanding is that as soon as someone creates something, that person has the copyright to it. So if I write a post describing "how I change the coolant in my Pantera," I have the copyright to that unless I specifically sign it over to someone else. This is the issue the musicians of the '60's and '70's clarified when they said they owned the music they wrote and the record companies said they did. The courts found for the musicians.
So I don't see how anyone has the copyright to a bunch of various
written by individuals as friends. So unless someone or some company is the official owner of the list and they have warned everyone who posts on it that they then hold the copyright to whatever is written there, the idea of a lawsuit does not make sense. And who, exactly, is the owner and how would one assign monetary damages to the copyright infringement? If the owner is the Club, the President could only file a lawsuit in compliance with the Club charter, which I'm sure does include that.
Jim Oddie
Relax. This is ludicrous. Absolutely nothing to worry about. No need to hassle incorporating the forum.
Disturbed, snippety people scare others with legal threats because it's so easy. My schizophrenic, homeless sister does it from time to time, threatening my family with legal action ever since my Dad cut her out of his will over 20 years ago. He died in 1996 but to this day she still pulls this one out of her crazy bag and lobs it at us.
The law is frighteningly confusing to most people and we all know
many lawyers are, shall we say, less than scrupulous so people tend to get a bit scared when threatened with the expensive, complicated, dark world of the lawsuit.
Don't waste a dime or another thought worrying about this nonsense--
But, if you are truly worried and losing sleep over this, go pay a lawyer $100 and he/she will tell you the same thing. Sent using Hushmail On June 26, 2016 at 9:10 AM, "Jeff Detrich" <[5][9]jjdetrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night warning me to hire an lawyer. Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights.
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Kurt, I'm not a lawyer, but you might think about forming a corporation to run the email list. It's an inexpensive way to protect your personal assets should this get ugly and I would think most of us would be glad to fund the cost. Jeff - I can't believe we are having this discussion 6559 On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes <[6][10]kdb@kbyrnes.com> wrote: list.
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-----Original Message----- From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[3]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Cc: detomaso <[4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Sun, Jun 26, 2016 10:21 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! If the problem is "your list" is in violation of something, and the "list" consist of all of "us", then including the list/us seems appropriate in such discussions. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Cobb Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 13:08 PM To: [2][6]audionut@hushmail.com Cc: [3][7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! Thank you sir, audionut, for some clarity. Maybe this thread-neurosis may come to an end. And Kurt, if this belief and understandable worry ***Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights,**** is worth a minute of your thought, then write and ask your accuser and cc the group to have your accuser state if you-us are or if you-us are not apparently doing a wrong. SIMPLE and if this person does not respond then you have your answer. Since you seem unclear and worried then YOU MUST have your problem watchdog person state if what you-us are doing is wrong. CLARITY WILL KILL THIS FEAR. No induced problem, no wrong and no accuser then all is well. Not all dogs bite. Know where you are walking. Lawyers will just f**k small things up. This perceived issue is just a 5 hr pimple not skin cancer. Keep the lawyers at bay for the big problems. Jeff Cobb ----------------------------------------------------- On Jun 26, 2016, at 11:37 AM, [4][8]audionut@hushmail.com wrote: that the links above.
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I¹m a construction lawyer, but I office with two entertainment lawyers. The answer I got to copyright protection (in the music industry) is simple. The copyright is created when the work takes a tangible form. However, it is not enforceable until it is registered. If there is an application of the law as to creative work to the email forum, suit cannot be filed regarding any copyright that may have been created unless someone registered it. As has been noted before, this forum may not lend itself to any copyright claims due to its open and free nature. Richard Austin, TX #7080 From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Reply-To: Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com> Date: Sunday, June 26, 2016 at 18:54 To: Jeff Cobb <jeffcobb1@me.com>, Pantdino <pantdino@aol.com> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! You can look at this government publication: [1]http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ01.pdf Starting at the bottom of page 3: How to Secure a Copyright Copyright Secured Automatically upon Creation The way in which copyright protection is secured is frequently misunderstood. No publication or registration or other action in the Copyright Office is required to secure copyright. See the following note. There are, however, certain definite advantages to registration. See Copyright Registration on page 7. and on page 7: a-c- Before an infringement suit may be filed in court, registration is necessary for works of U. S. origin. There is a safe harbor for fair use. If you take just part of a copyrighted work, and repost it commenting on it, it should fall within the safe harbor. So, for example, if someone running for an elected position, had made posts which might reflect on his suitability for the position, you should be able to repost portions of interest along with your comments. Ken __________________________________________________________________ From: Jeff Cobb <jeffcobb1@me.com> To: Pantdino <pantdino@aol.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! Not true, Jim Oddie, in Louisiana and most if not all of USA. A person must apply, sign documents and pay for the security of the copyright law with The Secretary of State. I own four copyrights and trademarks. Yet the trademark for my 34 year old business name would be mine regardless of paperwork because it has and is fact that I should own it by reason of domain. Jeff Cobb On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: posts list. 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Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I'm a construction lawyer, but I office with two entertainment lawyers. The answer I got to copyright protection (in the music industry) is simple. The copyright is created when the work takes a tangible form. However, it is not enforceable until it is registered. If there is an application of the law as to creative work to the email forum, suit cannot be filed regarding any copyright that may have been created unless someone registered it. As has been noted before, this forum may not lend itself to any copyright claims due to its open and free nature. Richard Austin, TX #7080 From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Reply-To: Ken Green <[3]kenn_green@yahoo.com> Date: Sunday, June 26, 2016 at 18:54 To: Jeff Cobb <[4]jeffcobb1@me.com>, Pantdino <[5]pantdino@aol.com> Cc: "[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! You can look at this government publication: [1][8]http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ01.pdf Starting at the bottom of page 3: How to Secure a Copyright Copyright Secured Automatically upon Creation The way in which copyright protection is secured is frequently misunderstood. No publication or registration or other action in the Copyright Office is required to secure copyright. See the following note. There are, however, certain definite advantages to registration. See Copyright Registration on page 7. and on page 7: a-c- Before an infringement suit may be filed in court, registration is necessary for works of U. S. origin. There is a safe harbor for fair use. If you take just part of a copyrighted work, and repost it commenting on it, it should fall within the safe harbor. So, for example, if someone running for an elected position, had made posts which might reflect on his suitability for the position, you should be able to repost portions of interest along with your comments. Ken __________________________________________________________________ From: Jeff Cobb <[9]jeffcobb1@me.com> To: Pantdino <[10]pantdino@aol.com> Cc: [11]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! Not true, Jim Oddie, in Louisiana and most if not all of USA. A person must apply, sign documents and pay for the security of the copyright law with The Secretary of State. I own four copyrights and trademarks. Yet the trademark for my 34 year old business name would be mine regardless of paperwork because it has and is fact that I should own it by reason of domain. Jeff Cobb On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso <[2][12]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > I am not a copyright lawyer, but my understanding is that as soon as > someone creates something, that person has the copyright to it. So if > I write a post describing "how I change the coolant in my Pantera," I > have the copyright to that unless I specifically sign it over to > someone else. This is the issue the musicians of the '60's and '70's > clarified when they said they owned the music they wrote and the record > companies said they did. The courts found for the musicians. > > So I don't see how anyone has the copyright to a bunch of various posts > written by individuals as friends. So unless someone or some company > is the official owner of the list and they have warned everyone who > posts on it that they then hold the copyright to whatever is written > there, the idea of a lawsuit does not make sense. And who, exactly, is > the owner and how would one assign monetary damages to the copyright > infringement? If the owner is the Club, the President could only file > a lawsuit in compliance with the Club charter, which I'm sure does > include that. > > Jim Oddie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[3][13]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> > Cc: detomaso <[4][14]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Sun, Jun 26, 2016 10:21 am > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! > If the problem is "your list" is in violation of something, and the > "list" > consist of all of "us", then including the list/us seems appropriate in > such discussions. > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [[1][15]mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On > Behalf > Of Jeff Cobb > Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 13:08 PM > To: [2][6][16]audionut@hushmail.com > Cc: [3][7][17]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! > Thank you sir, audionut, for some clarity. > Maybe this thread-neurosis may come to an end. > And Kurt, if this belief and understandable worry ***Apparently, "my" > list > is violating copyrights,**** is worth a minute of your thought, then > write > and ask your accuser and cc the group to have your accuser state if > you-us > are or if you-us are not apparently doing a wrong. > SIMPLE and if this person does not respond then you have your answer. > Since you seem unclear and worried then YOU MUST have your problem > watchdog > person state if what you-us are doing is wrong. > CLARITY WILL KILL THIS FEAR. > No induced problem, no wrong and no accuser then all is well. > Not all dogs bite. > Know where you are walking. > Lawyers will just f**k small things up. > This perceived issue is just a 5 hr pimple not skin cancer. > Keep the lawyers at bay for the big problems. > Jeff Cobb > ----------------------------------------------------- > On Jun 26, 2016, at 11:37 AM, [4][8][18]audionut@hushmail.com wrote: >> Relax. This is ludicrous. Absolutely nothing to worry about. No need >> to hassle incorporating the forum. >> >> >> Disturbed, snippety people scare others with legal threats because > it's >> so easy. My schizophrenic, homeless sister does it from time to time, >> threatening my family with legal action ever since my Dad cut her out >> of his will over 20 years ago. He died in 1996 but to this day she >> still pulls this one out of her crazy bag and lobs it at us. >> >> >> The law is frighteningly confusing to most people and we all know > that >> many lawyers are, shall we say, less than scrupulous so people tend > to >> get a bit scared when threatened with the expensive, complicated, > dark >> world of the lawsuit. >> >> >> Don't waste a dime or another thought worrying about this nonsense-- >> >> >> But, if you are truly worried and losing sleep over this, go pay a >> lawyer $100 and he/she will tell you the same thing. >> Sent using Hushmail >> On June 26, 2016 at 9:10 AM, "Jeff Detrich" <[5][9][19]jjdetrich@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Kurt, >> I'm not a lawyer, but you might think about forming a corporation to >> run >> the email list. It's an inexpensive way to protect your personal >> assets >> should this get ugly and I would think most of us would be glad to >> fund the >> cost. >> Jeff - I can't believe we are having this discussion >> 6559 >> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes <[6][10][20]kdb@kbyrnes.com> > wrote: >>> Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night >> warning me >>> to hire an lawyer. 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This is getting old! Why not just Delete any Email that has any Pantera content that came from MS? Would that work? SadThe other Curt On Monday, June 27, 2016 9:32 AM, Richard Greenblum <Richard@richardgreenblum.com> wrote: I'm a construction lawyer, but I office with two entertainment lawyers. The answer I got to copyright protection (in the music industry) is simple. The copyright is created when the work takes a tangible form. However, it is not enforceable until it is registered. If there is an application of the law as to creative work to the email forum, suit cannot be filed regarding any copyright that may have been created unless someone registered it. As has been noted before, this forum may not lend itself to any copyright claims due to its open and free nature. Richard Austin, TX #7080 From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Reply-To: Ken Green <[3]kenn_green@yahoo.com> Date: Sunday, June 26, 2016 at 18:54 To: Jeff Cobb <[4]jeffcobb1@me.com>, Pantdino <[5]pantdino@aol.com> Cc: "[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! You can look at this government publication: [1][8]http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ01.pdf Starting at the bottom of page 3: How to Secure a Copyright Copyright Secured Automatically upon Creation The way in which copyright protection is secured is frequently misunderstood. No publication or registration or other action in the Copyright Office is required to secure copyright. See the following note. There are, however, certain definite advantages to registration. See Copyright Registration on page 7. and on page 7: a-c- Before an infringement suit may be filed in court, registration is necessary for works of U. S. origin. There is a safe harbor for fair use. If you take just part of a copyrighted work, and repost it commenting on it, it should fall within the safe harbor. So, for example, if someone running for an elected position, had made posts which might reflect on his suitability for the position, you should be able to repost portions of interest along with your comments. Ken __________________________________________________________________ From: Jeff Cobb <[9]jeffcobb1@me.com> To: Pantdino <[10]pantdino@aol.com> Cc: [11]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! Not true, Jim Oddie, in Louisiana and most if not all of USA. A person must apply, sign documents and pay for the security of the copyright law with The Secretary of State. I own four copyrights and trademarks. Yet the trademark for my 34 year old business name would be mine regardless of paperwork because it has and is fact that I should own it by reason of domain. Jeff Cobb On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso <[2][12]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > I am not a copyright lawyer, but my understanding is that as soon as > someone creates something, that person has the copyright to it. So if > I write a post describing "how I change the coolant in my Pantera," I > have the copyright to that unless I specifically sign it over to > someone else. This is the issue the musicians of the '60's and '70's > clarified when they said they owned the music they wrote and the record > companies said they did. The courts found for the musicians. > > So I don't see how anyone has the copyright to a bunch of various posts > written by individuals as friends. So unless someone or some company > is the official owner of the list and they have warned everyone who > posts on it that they then hold the copyright to whatever is written > there, the idea of a lawsuit does not make sense. And who, exactly, is > the owner and how would one assign monetary damages to the copyright > infringement? If the owner is the Club, the President could only file > a lawsuit in compliance with the Club charter, which I'm sure does > include that. > > Jim Oddie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[3][13]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> > Cc: detomaso <[4][14]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Sun, Jun 26, 2016 10:21 am > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! > If the problem is "your list" is in violation of something, and the > "list" > consist of all of "us", then including the list/us seems appropriate in > such discussions. > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [[1][15]mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On > Behalf > Of Jeff Cobb > Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 13:08 PM > To: [2][6][16]audionut@hushmail.com > Cc: [3][7][17]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! > Thank you sir, audionut, for some clarity. > Maybe this thread-neurosis may come to an end. > And Kurt, if this belief and understandable worry ***Apparently, "my" > list > is violating copyrights,**** is worth a minute of your thought, then > write > and ask your accuser and cc the group to have your accuser state if > you-us > are or if you-us are not apparently doing a wrong. > SIMPLE and if this person does not respond then you have your answer. > Since you seem unclear and worried then YOU MUST have your problem > watchdog > person state if what you-us are doing is wrong. > CLARITY WILL KILL THIS FEAR. > No induced problem, no wrong and no accuser then all is well. > Not all dogs bite. > Know where you are walking. > Lawyers will just f**k small things up. > This perceived issue is just a 5 hr pimple not skin cancer. > Keep the lawyers at bay for the big problems. > Jeff Cobb > ----------------------------------------------------- > On Jun 26, 2016, at 11:37 AM, [4][8][18]audionut@hushmail.com wrote: >> Relax. This is ludicrous. Absolutely nothing to worry about. No need >> to hassle incorporating the forum. >> >> >> Disturbed, snippety people scare others with legal threats because > it's >> so easy. My schizophrenic, homeless sister does it from time to time, >> threatening my family with legal action ever since my Dad cut her out >> of his will over 20 years ago. He died in 1996 but to this day she >> still pulls this one out of her crazy bag and lobs it at us. >> >> >> The law is frighteningly confusing to most people and we all know > that >> many lawyers are, shall we say, less than scrupulous so people tend > to >> get a bit scared when threatened with the expensive, complicated, > dark >> world of the lawsuit. >> >> >> Don't waste a dime or another thought worrying about this nonsense-- >> >> >> But, if you are truly worried and losing sleep over this, go pay a >> lawyer $100 and he/she will tell you the same thing. >> Sent using Hushmail >> On June 26, 2016 at 9:10 AM, "Jeff Detrich" <[5][9][19]jjdetrich@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Kurt, >> I'm not a lawyer, but you might think about forming a corporation to >> run >> the email list. It's an inexpensive way to protect your personal >> assets >> should this get ugly and I would think most of us would be glad to >> fund the >> cost. >> Jeff - I can't believe we are having this discussion >> 6559 >> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes <[6][10][20]kdb@kbyrnes.com> > wrote: >>> Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night >> warning me >>> to hire an lawyer. 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Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. This is getting old! Why not just Delete any Email that has any Pantera content that came from MS? Would that work? Sad The other Curt On Monday, June 27, 2016 9:32 AM, Richard Greenblum <Richard@richardgreenblum.com> wrote: I'm a construction lawyer, but I office with two entertainment lawyers. The answer I got to copyright protection (in the music industry) is simple. The copyright is created when the work takes a tangible form. However, it is not enforceable until it is registered. If there is an application of the law as to creative work to the email forum, suit cannot be filed regarding any copyright that may have been created unless someone registered it. As has been noted before, this forum may not lend itself to any copyright claims due to its open and free nature. Richard Austin, TX #7080 From: DeTomaso <[1][1]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso <[2][2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Reply-To: Ken Green <[3][3]kenn_green@yahoo.com> Date: Sunday, June 26, 2016 at 18:54 To: Jeff Cobb <[4][4]jeffcobb1@me.com>, Pantdino <[5][5]pantdino@aol.com> Cc: "[6][6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[7][7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! You can look at this government publication: [1][8][8]http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ01.pdf Starting at the bottom of page 3: How to Secure a Copyright Copyright Secured Automatically upon Creation The way in which copyright protection is secured is frequently misunderstood. No publication or registration or other action in the Copyright Office is required to secure copyright. See the following note. There are, however, certain definite advantages to registration. See Copyright Registration on page 7. and on page 7: a-c- Before an infringement suit may be filed in court, registration is necessary for works of U. S. origin. There is a safe harbor for fair use. If you take just part of a copyrighted work, and repost it commenting on it, it should fall within the safe harbor. So, for example, if someone running for an elected position, had made posts which might reflect on his suitability for the position, you should be able to repost portions of interest along with your comments. Ken __________________________________________________________________ From: Jeff Cobb <[9][9]jeffcobb1@me.com> To: Pantdino <[10][10]pantdino@aol.com> Cc: [11][11]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! Not true, Jim Oddie, in Louisiana and most if not all of USA. A person must apply, sign documents and pay for the security of the copyright law with The Secretary of State. I own four copyrights and trademarks. Yet the trademark for my 34 year old business name would be mine regardless of paperwork because it has and is fact that I should own it by reason of domain. Jeff Cobb On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso <[2][12][12]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > I am not a copyright lawyer, but my understanding is that as soon as > someone creates something, that person has the copyright to it. So if > I write a post describing "how I change the coolant in my Pantera," I > have the copyright to that unless I specifically sign it over to > someone else. This is the issue the musicians of the '60's and '70's > clarified when they said they owned the music they wrote and the record > companies said they did. The courts found for the musicians. > > So I don't see how anyone has the copyright to a bunch of various posts > written by individuals as friends. So unless someone or some company > is the official owner of the list and they have warned everyone who > posts on it that they then hold the copyright to whatever is written > there, the idea of a lawsuit does not make sense. And who, exactly, is > the owner and how would one assign monetary damages to the copyright > infringement? If the owner is the Club, the President could only file > a lawsuit in compliance with the Club charter, which I'm sure does > include that. > > Jim Oddie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[3][13][13]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> > Cc: detomaso <[4][14][14]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Sun, Jun 26, 2016 10:21 am > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! > If the problem is "your list" is in violation of something, and the > "list" > consist of all of "us", then including the list/us seems appropriate in > such discussions. > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [[1][15]mailto:[5][15]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On > Behalf > Of Jeff Cobb > Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 13:08 PM > To: [2][6][16][16]audionut@hushmail.com > Cc: [3][7][17][17]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! > Thank you sir, audionut, for some clarity. > Maybe this thread-neurosis may come to an end. > And Kurt, if this belief and understandable worry ***Apparently, "my" > list > is violating copyrights,**** is worth a minute of your thought, then > write > and ask your accuser and cc the group to have your accuser state if > you-us > are or if you-us are not apparently doing a wrong. > SIMPLE and if this person does not respond then you have your answer. > Since you seem unclear and worried then YOU MUST have your problem > watchdog > person state if what you-us are doing is wrong. > CLARITY WILL KILL THIS FEAR. > No induced problem, no wrong and no accuser then all is well. > Not all dogs bite. > Know where you are walking. > Lawyers will just f**k small things up. > This perceived issue is just a 5 hr pimple not skin cancer. > Keep the lawyers at bay for the big problems. > Jeff Cobb > ----------------------------------------------------- > On Jun 26, 2016, at 11:37 AM, [4][8][18][18]audionut@hushmail.com wrote: >> Relax. This is ludicrous. Absolutely nothing to worry about. No need >> to hassle incorporating the forum. >> >> >> Disturbed, snippety people scare others with legal threats because > it's >> so easy. My schizophrenic, homeless sister does it from time to time, >> threatening my family with legal action ever since my Dad cut her out >> of his will over 20 years ago. He died in 1996 but to this day she >> still pulls this one out of her crazy bag and lobs it at us. >> >> >> The law is frighteningly confusing to most people and we all know > that >> many lawyers are, shall we say, less than scrupulous so people tend > to >> get a bit scared when threatened with the expensive, complicated, > dark >> world of the lawsuit. >> >> >> Don't waste a dime or another thought worrying about this nonsense-- >> >> >> But, if you are truly worried and losing sleep over this, go pay a >> lawyer $100 and he/she will tell you the same thing. >> Sent using Hushmail >> On June 26, 2016 at 9:10 AM, "Jeff Detrich" <[5][9][19][19]jjdetrich@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Kurt, >> I'm not a lawyer, but you might think about forming a corporation to >> run >> the email list. It's an inexpensive way to protect your personal >> assets >> should this get ugly and I would think most of us would be glad to >> fund the >> cost. >> Jeff - I can't believe we are having this discussion >> 6559 >> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes <[6][10][20][20]kdb@kbyrnes.com> > wrote: >>> Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night >> warning me >>> to hire an lawyer. 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Because of two things really.... one, it's not the Pantera content emails he's fussing about, and two, it's very difficult to remove emails from a specific person in the Mailman system. Not impossible, but extremely difficult. As was pointed out, this thread was more-or-less accidentally resurrected by someone responding to a rather old posting. I think Kurt has it all well in hand and we can probably drop the issue and get back to bench racing. :) Asa Jay Quoting Curt Hall <cuvee@sbcglobal.net>:
This is getting old! Why not just Delete any Email that has any Pantera content that came from MS? Would that work? SadThe other Curt
On Monday, June 27, 2016 9:32 AM, Richard Greenblum <Richard@richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
I'm a construction lawyer, but I office with two entertainment lawyers. The answer I got to copyright protection (in the music industry) is simple. The copyright is created when the work takes a tangible form. However, it is not enforceable until it is registered. If there is an application of the law as to creative work to the email forum, suit cannot be filed regarding any copyright that may have been created unless someone registered it. As has been noted before, this forum may not lend itself to any copyright claims due to its open and free nature. Richard Austin, TX #7080
From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Reply-To: Ken Green <[3]kenn_green@yahoo.com> Date: Sunday, June 26, 2016 at 18:54 To: Jeff Cobb <[4]jeffcobb1@me.com>, Pantdino <[5]pantdino@aol.com> Cc: "[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats!
You can look at this government publication: [1][8]http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ01.pdf Starting at the bottom of page 3: How to Secure a Copyright Copyright Secured Automatically upon Creation The way in which copyright protection is secured is frequently misunderstood. No publication or registration or other action in the Copyright Office is required to secure copyright. See the following note. There are, however, certain definite advantages to registration. See Copyright Registration on page 7. and on page 7: a-c- Before an infringement suit may be filed in court, registration is necessary for works of U. S. origin. There is a safe harbor for fair use. If you take just part of a copyrighted work, and repost it commenting on it, it should fall within the safe harbor. So, for example, if someone running for an elected position, had made posts which might reflect on his suitability for the position, you should be able to repost portions of interest along with your comments. Ken __________________________________________________________________ From: Jeff Cobb <[9]jeffcobb1@me.com> To: Pantdino <[10]pantdino@aol.com> Cc: [11]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! Not true, Jim Oddie, in Louisiana and most if not all of USA. A person must apply, sign documents and pay for the security of the copyright law with The Secretary of State. I own four copyrights and trademarks. Yet the trademark for my 34 year old business name would be mine regardless of paperwork because it has and is fact that I should own it by reason of domain. Jeff Cobb On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso <[2][12]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > I am not a copyright lawyer, but my understanding is that as soon as > someone creates something, that person has the copyright to it. So if > I write a post describing "how I change the coolant in my Pantera," I > have the copyright to that unless I specifically sign it over to > someone else. This is the issue the musicians of the '60's and '70's > clarified when they said they owned the music they wrote and the record > companies said they did. The courts found for the musicians. > > So I don't see how anyone has the copyright to a bunch of various posts > written by individuals as friends. So unless someone or some company > is the official owner of the list and they have warned everyone who > posts on it that they then hold the copyright to whatever is written > there, the idea of a lawsuit does not make sense. And who, exactly, is > the owner and how would one assign monetary damages to the copyright > infringement? If the owner is the Club, the President could only file > a lawsuit in compliance with the Club charter, which I'm sure does > include that. > > Jim Oddie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[3][13]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> > Cc: detomaso <[4][14]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Sun, Jun 26, 2016 10:21 am > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! > If the problem is "your list" is in violation of something, and the > "list" > consist of all of "us", then including the list/us seems appropriate in > such discussions. > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [[1][15]mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On > Behalf > Of Jeff Cobb > Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 13:08 PM > To: [2][6][16]audionut@hushmail.com > Cc: [3][7][17]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! > Thank you sir, audionut, for some clarity. > Maybe this thread-neurosis may come to an end. > And Kurt, if this belief and understandable worry ***Apparently, "my" > list > is violating copyrights,**** is worth a minute of your thought, then > write > and ask your accuser and cc the group to have your accuser state if > you-us > are or if you-us are not apparently doing a wrong. > SIMPLE and if this person does not respond then you have your answer. > Since you seem unclear and worried then YOU MUST have your problem > watchdog > person state if what you-us are doing is wrong. > CLARITY WILL KILL THIS FEAR. > No induced problem, no wrong and no accuser then all is well. > Not all dogs bite. > Know where you are walking. > Lawyers will just f**k small things up. > This perceived issue is just a 5 hr pimple not skin cancer. > Keep the lawyers at bay for the big problems. > Jeff Cobb > ----------------------------------------------------- > On Jun 26, 2016, at 11:37 AM, [4][8][18]audionut@hushmail.com wrote: >> Relax. This is ludicrous. Absolutely nothing to worry about. No need >> to hassle incorporating the forum. >> >> >> Disturbed, snippety people scare others with legal threats because > it's >> so easy. My schizophrenic, homeless sister does it from time to time, >> threatening my family with legal action ever since my Dad cut her out >> of his will over 20 years ago. He died in 1996 but to this day she >> still pulls this one out of her crazy bag and lobs it at us. >> >> >> The law is frighteningly confusing to most people and we all know > that >> many lawyers are, shall we say, less than scrupulous so people tend > to >> get a bit scared when threatened with the expensive, complicated, > dark >> world of the lawsuit. >> >> >> Don't waste a dime or another thought worrying about this nonsense-- >> >> >> But, if you are truly worried and losing sleep over this, go pay a >> lawyer $100 and he/she will tell you the same thing. >> Sent using Hushmail >> On June 26, 2016 at 9:10 AM, "Jeff Detrich" <[5][9][19]jjdetrich@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Kurt, >> I'm not a lawyer, but you might think about forming a corporation to >> run >> the email list. It's an inexpensive way to protect your personal >> assets >> should this get ugly and I would think most of us would be glad to >> fund the >> cost. >> Jeff - I can't believe we are having this discussion >> 6559 >> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes <[6][10][20]kdb@kbyrnes.com> > wrote: >>> Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night >> warning me >>> to hire an lawyer. 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That is also a great idea. IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Curt Hall [mailto:cuvee@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 1:35 PM To: Richard Greenblum; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! This is getting old! Why not just Delete any Email that has any Pantera content that came from MS? Would that work? SadThe other Curt On Monday, June 27, 2016 9:32 AM, Richard Greenblum <Richard@richardgreenblum.com> wrote: I'm a construction lawyer, but I office with two entertainment lawyers. The answer I got to copyright protection (in the music industry) is simple. The copyright is created when the work takes a tangible form. However, it is not enforceable until it is registered. If there is an application of the law as to creative work to the email forum, suit cannot be filed regarding any copyright that may have been created unless someone registered it. As has been noted before, this forum may not lend itself to any copyright claims due to its open and free nature. Richard Austin, TX #7080 From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Reply-To: Ken Green <[3]kenn_green@yahoo.com> Date: Sunday, June 26, 2016 at 18:54 To: Jeff Cobb <[4]jeffcobb1@me.com>, Pantdino <[5]pantdino@aol.com> Cc: "[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! You can look at this government publication: [1][8]http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ01.pdf Starting at the bottom of page 3: How to Secure a Copyright Copyright Secured Automatically upon Creation The way in which copyright protection is secured is frequently misunderstood. No publication or registration or other action in the Copyright Office is required to secure copyright. See the following note. There are, however, certain definite advantages to registration. See Copyright Registration on page 7. and on page 7: a-c- Before an infringement suit may be filed in court, registration is necessary for works of U. S. origin. There is a safe harbor for fair use. If you take just part of a copyrighted work, and repost it commenting on it, it should fall within the safe harbor. So, for example, if someone running for an elected position, had made posts which might reflect on his suitability for the position, you should be able to repost portions of interest along with your comments. Ken __________________________________________________________________ From: Jeff Cobb <[9]jeffcobb1@me.com> To: Pantdino <[10]pantdino@aol.com> Cc: [11]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! Not true, Jim Oddie, in Louisiana and most if not all of USA. A person must apply, sign documents and pay for the security of the copyright law with The Secretary of State. I own four copyrights and trademarks. Yet the trademark for my 34 year old business name would be mine regardless of paperwork because it has and is fact that I should own it by reason of domain. Jeff Cobb On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso <[2][12]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > I am not a copyright lawyer, but my understanding is that as soon as > someone creates something, that person has the copyright to it. So if > I write a post describing "how I change the coolant in my Pantera," I > have the copyright to that unless I specifically sign it over to > someone else. This is the issue the musicians of the '60's and '70's > clarified when they said they owned the music they wrote and the record > companies said they did. The courts found for the musicians. > > So I don't see how anyone has the copyright to a bunch of various posts > written by individuals as friends. So unless someone or some company > is the official owner of the list and they have warned everyone who > posts on it that they then hold the copyright to whatever is written > there, the idea of a lawsuit does not make sense. And who, exactly, is > the owner and how would one assign monetary damages to the copyright > infringement? If the owner is the Club, the President could only file > a lawsuit in compliance with the Club charter, which I'm sure does > include that. > > Jim Oddie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[3][13]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> > Cc: detomaso <[4][14]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Sun, Jun 26, 2016 10:21 am > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! > If the problem is "your list" is in violation of something, and the > "list" > consist of all of "us", then including the list/us seems appropriate in > such discussions. > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [[1][15]mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On > Behalf > Of Jeff Cobb > Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 13:08 PM > To: [2][6][16]audionut@hushmail.com > Cc: [3][7][17]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! > Thank you sir, audionut, for some clarity. > Maybe this thread-neurosis may come to an end. > And Kurt, if this belief and understandable worry ***Apparently, "my" > list > is violating copyrights,**** is worth a minute of your thought, then > write > and ask your accuser and cc the group to have your accuser state if > you-us > are or if you-us are not apparently doing a wrong. > SIMPLE and if this person does not respond then you have your answer. > Since you seem unclear and worried then YOU MUST have your problem > watchdog > person state if what you-us are doing is wrong. > CLARITY WILL KILL THIS FEAR. > No induced problem, no wrong and no accuser then all is well. > Not all dogs bite. > Know where you are walking. > Lawyers will just f**k small things up. > This perceived issue is just a 5 hr pimple not skin cancer. > Keep the lawyers at bay for the big problems. > Jeff Cobb > ----------------------------------------------------- > On Jun 26, 2016, at 11:37 AM, [4][8][18]audionut@hushmail.com wrote: >> Relax. This is ludicrous. Absolutely nothing to worry about. No need >> to hassle incorporating the forum. >> >> >> Disturbed, snippety people scare others with legal threats because > it's >> so easy. My schizophrenic, homeless sister does it from time to time, >> threatening my family with legal action ever since my Dad cut her out >> of his will over 20 years ago. He died in 1996 but to this day she >> still pulls this one out of her crazy bag and lobs it at us. >> >> >> The law is frighteningly confusing to most people and we all know > that >> many lawyers are, shall we say, less than scrupulous so people tend > to >> get a bit scared when threatened with the expensive, complicated, > dark >> world of the lawsuit. >> >> >> Don't waste a dime or another thought worrying about this nonsense-- >> >> >> But, if you are truly worried and losing sleep over this, go pay a >> lawyer $100 and he/she will tell you the same thing. >> Sent using Hushmail >> On June 26, 2016 at 9:10 AM, "Jeff Detrich" <[5][9][19]jjdetrich@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Kurt, >> I'm not a lawyer, but you might think about forming a corporation to >> run >> the email list. It's an inexpensive way to protect your personal >> assets >> should this get ugly and I would think most of us would be glad to >> fund the >> cost. >> Jeff - I can't believe we are having this discussion >> 6559 >> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes <[6][10][20]kdb@kbyrnes.com> > wrote: >>> Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night >> warning me >>> to hire an lawyer. 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Too much time and energy is being spent on this BS. Can we please just get back to the business of playing with our cars! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" <dave@damardirect.com> To: "Curt Hall" <cuvee@sbcglobal.net>, "Richard Greenblum" <Richard@richardgreenblum.com>, detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:30 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! That is also a great idea. IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Curt Hall [mailto:cuvee@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 1:35 PM To: Richard Greenblum; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! This is getting old! Why not just Delete any Email that has any Pantera content that came from MS? Would that work? SadThe other Curt On Monday, June 27, 2016 9:32 AM, Richard Greenblum <Richard@richardgreenblum.com> wrote: I'm a construction lawyer, but I office with two entertainment lawyers. The answer I got to copyright protection (in the music industry) is simple. The copyright is created when the work takes a tangible form. However, it is not enforceable until it is registered. If there is an application of the law as to creative work to the email forum, suit cannot be filed regarding any copyright that may have been created unless someone registered it. As has been noted before, this forum may not lend itself to any copyright claims due to its open and free nature. Richard Austin, TX #7080 From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Reply-To: Ken Green <[3]kenn_green@yahoo.com> Date: Sunday, June 26, 2016 at 18:54 To: Jeff Cobb <[4]jeffcobb1@me.com>, Pantdino <[5]pantdino@aol.com> Cc: "[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! You can look at this government publication: [1][8]http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ01.pdf Starting at the bottom of page 3: How to Secure a Copyright Copyright Secured Automatically upon Creation The way in which copyright protection is secured is frequently misunderstood. No publication or registration or other action in the Copyright Office is required to secure copyright. See the following note. There are, however, certain definite advantages to registration. See Copyright Registration on page 7. and on page 7: a-c- Before an infringement suit may be filed in court, registration is necessary for works of U. S. origin. There is a safe harbor for fair use. If you take just part of a copyrighted work, and repost it commenting on it, it should fall within the safe harbor. So, for example, if someone running for an elected position, had made posts which might reflect on his suitability for the position, you should be able to repost portions of interest along with your comments. Ken __________________________________________________________________ From: Jeff Cobb <[9]jeffcobb1@me.com> To: Pantdino <[10]pantdino@aol.com> Cc: [11]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! Not true, Jim Oddie, in Louisiana and most if not all of USA. A person must apply, sign documents and pay for the security of the copyright law with The Secretary of State. I own four copyrights and trademarks. Yet the trademark for my 34 year old business name would be mine regardless of paperwork because it has and is fact that I should own it by reason of domain. Jeff Cobb On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso <[2][12]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > I am not a copyright lawyer, but my understanding is that as soon as > someone creates something, that person has the copyright to it. So if > I write a post describing "how I change the coolant in my Pantera," I > have the copyright to that unless I specifically sign it over to > someone else. This is the issue the musicians of the '60's and '70's > clarified when they said they owned the music they wrote and the record > companies said they did. The courts found for the musicians. > > So I don't see how anyone has the copyright to a bunch of various posts > written by individuals as friends. So unless someone or some company > is the official owner of the list and they have warned everyone who > posts on it that they then hold the copyright to whatever is written > there, the idea of a lawsuit does not make sense. And who, exactly, is > the owner and how would one assign monetary damages to the copyright > infringement? If the owner is the Club, the President could only file > a lawsuit in compliance with the Club charter, which I'm sure does > include that. > > Jim Oddie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[3][13]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> > Cc: detomaso <[4][14]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Sun, Jun 26, 2016 10:21 am > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! > If the problem is "your list" is in violation of something, and the > "list" > consist of all of "us", then including the list/us seems appropriate in > such discussions. > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [[1][15]mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On > Behalf > Of Jeff Cobb > Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 13:08 PM > To: [2][6][16]audionut@hushmail.com > Cc: [3][7][17]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! > Thank you sir, audionut, for some clarity. > Maybe this thread-neurosis may come to an end. > And Kurt, if this belief and understandable worry ***Apparently, "my" > list > is violating copyrights,**** is worth a minute of your thought, then > write > and ask your accuser and cc the group to have your accuser state if > you-us > are or if you-us are not apparently doing a wrong. > SIMPLE and if this person does not respond then you have your answer. > Since you seem unclear and worried then YOU MUST have your problem > watchdog > person state if what you-us are doing is wrong. > CLARITY WILL KILL THIS FEAR. > No induced problem, no wrong and no accuser then all is well. > Not all dogs bite. > Know where you are walking. > Lawyers will just f**k small things up. > This perceived issue is just a 5 hr pimple not skin cancer. > Keep the lawyers at bay for the big problems. > Jeff Cobb > ----------------------------------------------------- > On Jun 26, 2016, at 11:37 AM, [4][8][18]audionut@hushmail.com wrote: >> Relax. This is ludicrous. Absolutely nothing to worry about. No need >> to hassle incorporating the forum. >> >> >> Disturbed, snippety people scare others with legal threats because > it's >> so easy. My schizophrenic, homeless sister does it from time to time, >> threatening my family with legal action ever since my Dad cut her out >> of his will over 20 years ago. He died in 1996 but to this day she >> still pulls this one out of her crazy bag and lobs it at us. >> >> >> The law is frighteningly confusing to most people and we all know > that >> many lawyers are, shall we say, less than scrupulous so people tend > to >> get a bit scared when threatened with the expensive, complicated, > dark >> world of the lawsuit. >> >> >> Don't waste a dime or another thought worrying about this nonsense-- >> >> >> But, if you are truly worried and losing sleep over this, go pay a >> lawyer $100 and he/she will tell you the same thing. >> Sent using Hushmail >> On June 26, 2016 at 9:10 AM, "Jeff Detrich" <[5][9][19]jjdetrich@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Kurt, >> I'm not a lawyer, but you might think about forming a corporation to >> run >> the email list. It's an inexpensive way to protect your personal >> assets >> should this get ugly and I would think most of us would be glad to >> fund the >> cost. >> Jeff - I can't believe we are having this discussion >> 6559 >> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes <[6][10][20]kdb@kbyrnes.com> > wrote: >>> Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night >> warning me >>> to hire an lawyer. 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In case you missed my previous message... At this time, this is a non-issue. Please, stop bringing it up! Kurt On 6/28/2016 1:55 PM, Nathan Giles wrote:
Too much time and energy is being spent on this BS. Can we please just get back to the business of playing with our cars!
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" <dave@damardirect.com> To: "Curt Hall" <cuvee@sbcglobal.net>, "Richard Greenblum" <Richard@richardgreenblum.com>, detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:30 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats!
That is also a great idea. IndyDave
-----Original Message----- From: Curt Hall [mailto:cuvee@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 1:35 PM To: Richard Greenblum; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats!
This is getting old! Why not just Delete any Email that has any Pantera content that came from MS? Would that work? SadThe other Curt
WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE START A THREAD ABOUT OVERHEATING AND FAN ROTATIONAL DIRECTION THEORIES???? Jeff Cobb On Jun 28, 2016, at 12:55 PM, Nathan Giles <nathan.giles@ex3.com> wrote: > Too much time and energy is being spent on this BS. Can we please just get back to the business of playing with our cars! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave" <dave@damardirect.com> > To: "Curt Hall" <cuvee@sbcglobal.net>, "Richard Greenblum" <Richard@richardgreenblum.com>, detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:30 AM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! > > That is also a great idea. > IndyDave > > -----Original Message----- > From: Curt Hall [mailto:cuvee@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 1:35 PM > To: Richard Greenblum; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! > > This is getting old! > Why not just Delete any Email that has any Pantera content that came from MS? Would that work? > SadThe other Curt > > On Monday, June 27, 2016 9:32 AM, Richard Greenblum <Richard@richardgreenblum.com> wrote: > > > I'm a construction lawyer, but I office with two entertainment lawyers. > The answer I got to copyright protection (in the music industry) is > simple. The copyright is created when the work takes a tangible form. > However, it is not enforceable until it is registered. If there is an > application of the law as to creative work to the email forum, suit > cannot be filed regarding any copyright that may have been created > unless someone registered it. As has been noted before, this forum may > not lend itself to any copyright claims due to its open and free > nature. > Richard > Austin, TX > #7080 > > From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf > of Ken Green via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > Reply-To: Ken Green <[3]kenn_green@yahoo.com> > Date: Sunday, June 26, 2016 at 18:54 > To: Jeff Cobb <[4]jeffcobb1@me.com>, Pantdino <[5]pantdino@aol.com> > Cc: "[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" > <[7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! > > You can look at this government publication: > [1][8]http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ01.pdf > Starting at the bottom of page 3: > How to Secure a Copyright > Copyright Secured Automatically upon Creation > The way in which copyright protection is secured is frequently > misunderstood. No publication or registration or other action in the > Copyright Office is required to secure copyright. See the following > note. There are, however, certain definite advantages to > registration. > See Copyright Registration on page 7. > and on page 7: > a-c- Before an infringement suit may be filed in court, registration > is > necessary for works of U. S. origin. > There is a safe harbor for fair use. If you take just part of a > copyrighted work, and repost it commenting on it, it should fall > within > the safe harbor. So, for example, if someone running for an elected > position, had made posts which might reflect on his suitability for > the > position, you should be able to repost portions of interest along > with > your comments. > Ken > __________________________________________________________________ > From: Jeff Cobb <[9]jeffcobb1@me.com> > To: Pantdino <[10]pantdino@aol.com> > Cc: [11]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 2:26 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! > Not true, Jim Oddie, in Louisiana and most if not all of USA. > A person must apply, sign documents and pay for the security of the > copyright law with The Secretary of State. > I own four copyrights and trademarks. > Yet the trademark for my 34 year old business name would be mine > regardless of paperwork because > it has and is fact that I should own it by reason of domain. > Jeff Cobb > On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso > <[2][12]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: >> I am not a copyright lawyer, but my understanding is that as soon > as >> someone creates something, that person has the copyright to > it. So > if >> I write a post describing "how I change the coolant in my > Pantera," > I >> have the copyright to that unless I specifically sign it over to >> someone else. This is the issue the musicians of the '60's and > '70's >> clarified when they said they owned the music they wrote and the > record >> companies said they did. The courts found for the musicians. >> >> So I don't see how anyone has the copyright to a bunch of various > posts >> written by individuals as friends. So unless someone or some > company >> is the official owner of the list and they have warned everyone > who >> posts on it that they then hold the copyright to whatever is > written >> there, the idea of a lawsuit does not make sense. And who, > exactly, > is >> the owner and how would one assign monetary damages to the > copyright >> infringement? If the owner is the Club, the President could only > file >> a lawsuit in compliance with the Club charter, which I'm sure > does >> include that. >> >> Jim Oddie >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[3][13]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> >> Cc: detomaso <[4][14]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> >> Sent: Sun, Jun 26, 2016 10:21 am >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! >> If the problem is "your list" is in violation of something, and > the >> "list" >> consist of all of "us", then including the list/us seems > appropriate > in >> such discussions. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: DeTomaso > [[1][15]mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On >> Behalf >> Of Jeff Cobb >> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 13:08 PM >> To: [2][6][16]audionut@hushmail.com >> Cc: [3][7][17]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! >> Thank you sir, audionut, for some clarity. >> Maybe this thread-neurosis may come to an end. >> And Kurt, if this belief and understandable worry ***Apparently, > "my" >> list >> is violating copyrights,**** is worth a minute of your thought, > then >> write >> and ask your accuser and cc the group to have your accuser state > if >> you-us >> are or if you-us are not apparently doing a wrong. >> SIMPLE and if this person does not respond then you have your > answer. >> Since you seem unclear and worried then YOU MUST have your > problem >> watchdog >> person state if what you-us are doing is wrong. >> CLARITY WILL KILL THIS FEAR. >> No induced problem, no wrong and no accuser then all is well. >> Not all dogs bite. >> Know where you are walking. >> Lawyers will just f**k small things up. >> This perceived issue is just a 5 hr pimple not skin cancer. >> Keep the lawyers at bay for the big problems. >> Jeff Cobb >> ----------------------------------------------------- >> On Jun 26, 2016, at 11:37 AM, [4][8][18]audionut@hushmail.com > wrote: >>> Relax. This is ludicrous. Absolutely nothing to worry about. No > need >>> to hassle incorporating the forum. >>> >>> >>> Disturbed, snippety people scare others with legal threats > because >> it's >>> so easy. My schizophrenic, homeless sister does it from time to > time, >>> threatening my family with legal action ever since my Dad cut her > out >>> of his will over 20 years ago. He died in 1996 but to this day > she >>> still pulls this one out of her crazy bag and lobs it at us. >>> >>> >>> The law is frighteningly confusing to most people and we all know >> that >>> many lawyers are, shall we say, less than scrupulous so people > tend >> to >>> get a bit scared when threatened with the expensive, complicated, >> dark >>> world of the lawsuit. >>> >>> >>> Don't waste a dime or another thought worrying about this > nonsense-- >>> >>> >>> But, if you are truly worried and losing sleep over this, go pay > a >>> lawyer $100 and he/she will tell you the same thing. >>> Sent using Hushmail >>> On June 26, 2016 at 9:10 AM, "Jeff Detrich" > <[5][9][19]jjdetrich@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Kurt, >>> I'm not a lawyer, but you might think about forming a corporation > to >>> run >>> the email list. It's an inexpensive way to protect your personal >>> assets >>> should this get ugly and I would think most of us would be glad > to >>> fund the >>> cost. >>> Jeff - I can't believe we are having this discussion >>> 6559 >>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes > <[6][10][20]kdb@kbyrnes.com> >> wrote: >>>> Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night >>> warning me >>>> to hire an lawyer. 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[39]mailto:[29]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 13. > [30][40]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> [31][41]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> [32][42]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) > use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of > the > list. 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[78]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [79]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > [80]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. 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Did something change to make it overheat? Did you make any changes? Refilled the radiator? IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Cobb [mailto:jeffcobb1@me.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:46 PM To: Nathan Giles; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com; Dave; Richard Greenblum Cc: Jeff Cobb Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE START A THREAD ABOUT OVERHEATING AND FAN ROTATIONAL DIRECTION THEORIES???? Jeff Cobb On Jun 28, 2016, at 12:55 PM, Nathan Giles <nathan.giles@ex3.com> wrote: > Too much time and energy is being spent on this BS. Can we please just get back to the business of playing with our cars! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave" <dave@damardirect.com> > To: "Curt Hall" <cuvee@sbcglobal.net>, "Richard Greenblum" > <Richard@richardgreenblum.com>, detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:30 AM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! > > That is also a great idea. > IndyDave > > -----Original Message----- > From: Curt Hall [mailto:cuvee@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 1:35 PM > To: Richard Greenblum; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! > > This is getting old! > Why not just Delete any Email that has any Pantera content that came from MS? Would that work? > SadThe other Curt > > On Monday, June 27, 2016 9:32 AM, Richard Greenblum <Richard@richardgreenblum.com> wrote: > > > I'm a construction lawyer, but I office with two entertainment lawyers. > The answer I got to copyright protection (in the music industry) is > simple. The copyright is created when the work takes a tangible form. > However, it is not enforceable until it is registered. If there is > an application of the law as to creative work to the email forum, > suit cannot be filed regarding any copyright that may have been > created unless someone registered it. As has been noted before, this > forum may not lend itself to any copyright claims due to its open and > free nature. > Richard > Austin, TX > #7080 > > From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on > behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso > <[2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > Reply-To: Ken Green <[3]kenn_green@yahoo.com> > Date: Sunday, June 26, 2016 at 18:54 > To: Jeff Cobb <[4]jeffcobb1@me.com>, Pantdino <[5]pantdino@aol.com> > Cc: "[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" > <[7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! > > You can look at this government publication: > [1][8]http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ01.pdf > Starting at the bottom of page 3: > How to Secure a Copyright > Copyright Secured Automatically upon Creation > The way in which copyright protection is secured is frequently > misunderstood. No publication or registration or other action in the > Copyright Office is required to secure copyright. See the following > note. There are, however, certain definite advantages to > registration. > See Copyright Registration on page 7. > and on page 7: > a-c- Before an infringement suit may be filed in court, > registration is > necessary for works of U. S. origin. > There is a safe harbor for fair use. If you take just part of a > copyrighted work, and repost it commenting on it, it should fall > within > the safe harbor. So, for example, if someone running for an elected > position, had made posts which might reflect on his suitability > for the > position, you should be able to repost portions of interest along > with > your comments. > Ken > __________________________________________________________________ > From: Jeff Cobb <[9]jeffcobb1@me.com> > To: Pantdino <[10]pantdino@aol.com> > Cc: [11]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 2:26 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! > Not true, Jim Oddie, in Louisiana and most if not all of USA. > A person must apply, sign documents and pay for the security of the > copyright law with The Secretary of State. > I own four copyrights and trademarks. > Yet the trademark for my 34 year old business name would be mine > regardless of paperwork because > it has and is fact that I should own it by reason of domain. > Jeff Cobb > On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso > <[2][12]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: >> I am not a copyright lawyer, but my understanding is that as soon > as >> someone creates something, that person has the copyright to > it. So > if >> I write a post describing "how I change the coolant in my > Pantera," > I >> have the copyright to that unless I specifically sign it over to >> someone else. This is the issue the musicians of the '60's and > '70's >> clarified when they said they owned the music they wrote and the > record >> companies said they did. The courts found for the musicians. >> >> So I don't see how anyone has the copyright to a bunch of various > posts >> written by individuals as friends. So unless someone or some > company >> is the official owner of the list and they have warned everyone > who >> posts on it that they then hold the copyright to whatever is > written >> there, the idea of a lawsuit does not make sense. And who, > exactly, > is >> the owner and how would one assign monetary damages to the > copyright >> infringement? If the owner is the Club, the President could only > file >> a lawsuit in compliance with the Club charter, which I'm sure > does >> include that. >> >> Jim Oddie >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[3][13]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> >> Cc: detomaso <[4][14]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> >> Sent: Sun, Jun 26, 2016 10:21 am >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! >> If the problem is "your list" is in violation of something, and > the >> "list" >> consist of all of "us", then including the list/us seems > appropriate > in >> such discussions. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: DeTomaso > [[1][15]mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On >> Behalf >> Of Jeff Cobb >> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 13:08 PM >> To: [2][6][16]audionut@hushmail.com >> Cc: [3][7][17]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! >> Thank you sir, audionut, for some clarity. >> Maybe this thread-neurosis may come to an end. >> And Kurt, if this belief and understandable worry ***Apparently, > "my" >> list >> is violating copyrights,**** is worth a minute of your thought, > then >> write >> and ask your accuser and cc the group to have your accuser state > if >> you-us >> are or if you-us are not apparently doing a wrong. >> SIMPLE and if this person does not respond then you have your > answer. >> Since you seem unclear and worried then YOU MUST have your > problem >> watchdog >> person state if what you-us are doing is wrong. >> CLARITY WILL KILL THIS FEAR. >> No induced problem, no wrong and no accuser then all is well. >> Not all dogs bite. >> Know where you are walking. >> Lawyers will just f**k small things up. >> This perceived issue is just a 5 hr pimple not skin cancer. >> Keep the lawyers at bay for the big problems. >> Jeff Cobb >> ----------------------------------------------------- >> On Jun 26, 2016, at 11:37 AM, [4][8][18]audionut@hushmail.com > wrote: >>> Relax. This is ludicrous. Absolutely nothing to worry about. No > need >>> to hassle incorporating the forum. >>> >>> >>> Disturbed, snippety people scare others with legal threats > because >> it's >>> so easy. My schizophrenic, homeless sister does it from time to > time, >>> threatening my family with legal action ever since my Dad cut her > out >>> of his will over 20 years ago. He died in 1996 but to this day > she >>> still pulls this one out of her crazy bag and lobs it at us. >>> >>> >>> The law is frighteningly confusing to most people and we all know >> that >>> many lawyers are, shall we say, less than scrupulous so people > tend >> to >>> get a bit scared when threatened with the expensive, complicated, >> dark >>> world of the lawsuit. >>> >>> >>> Don't waste a dime or another thought worrying about this > nonsense-- >>> >>> >>> But, if you are truly worried and losing sleep over this, go pay > a >>> lawyer $100 and he/she will tell you the same thing. >>> Sent using Hushmail >>> On June 26, 2016 at 9:10 AM, "Jeff Detrich" > <[5][9][19]jjdetrich@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Kurt, >>> I'm not a lawyer, but you might think about forming a corporation > to >>> run >>> the email list. It's an inexpensive way to protect your personal >>> assets should this get ugly and I would think most of us would be >>> glad > to >>> fund the >>> cost. >>> Jeff - I can't believe we are having this discussion >>> 6559 >>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes > <[6][10][20]kdb@kbyrnes.com> >> wrote: >>>> Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night >>> warning me >>>> to hire an lawyer. Apparently, "my" list is violating > copyrights. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not >>>> exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list >>>> [7][11][21]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com >>>> > > [1][8][12][22]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>>> >>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >>> etc.) use >>>> the links above. >>>> >>>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to > forward >>> any >>>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of > the >>> list. >>>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive >>> or approve >>>> the archiving of list messages. >>>> >>> >>> References >>> >>> 1. > [9][13][23]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not >> exceed >>> 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list >> [10][14][24]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com >>> > [11][15][25]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) >> use >> the links above. >>> >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to > forward >> any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of > the >> list. >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or >> approve >> the archiving of list messages. >> _______________________________________________ >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not >> exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list >> [12][16][26]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > >> [13][17][27]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) >> use the links above. >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to > forward > any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of > the >> list. 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[39]mailto:[29]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> 13. > [30][40]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not >> exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list >> [31][41]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> [32][42]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) > use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members > of the > list. 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Amen to that !!!! Leslie A. Gray > On Jun 28, 2016, at 12:45 PM, Jeff Cobb <jeffcobb1@me.com> wrote: > > WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE START A THREAD ABOUT OVERHEATING > AND FAN ROTATIONAL DIRECTION THEORIES???? > > Jeff Cobb > > >> On Jun 28, 2016, at 12:55 PM, Nathan Giles <nathan.giles@ex3.com> wrote: >> >> Too much time and energy is being spent on this BS. Can we please just get back to the business of playing with our cars! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dave" <dave@damardirect.com> >> To: "Curt Hall" <cuvee@sbcglobal.net>, "Richard Greenblum" <Richard@richardgreenblum.com>, detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:30 AM >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! >> >> That is also a great idea. >> IndyDave >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Curt Hall [mailto:cuvee@sbcglobal.net] >> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 1:35 PM >> To: Richard Greenblum; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! >> >> This is getting old! >> Why not just Delete any Email that has any Pantera content that came from MS? Would that work? >> SadThe other Curt >> >> On Monday, June 27, 2016 9:32 AM, Richard Greenblum <Richard@richardgreenblum.com> wrote: >> >> >> I'm a construction lawyer, but I office with two entertainment lawyers. >> The answer I got to copyright protection (in the music industry) is >> simple. The copyright is created when the work takes a tangible form. >> However, it is not enforceable until it is registered. If there is an >> application of the law as to creative work to the email forum, suit >> cannot be filed regarding any copyright that may have been created >> unless someone registered it. As has been noted before, this forum may >> not lend itself to any copyright claims due to its open and free >> nature. >> Richard >> Austin, TX >> #7080 >> >> From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf >> of Ken Green via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> >> Reply-To: Ken Green <[3]kenn_green@yahoo.com> >> Date: Sunday, June 26, 2016 at 18:54 >> To: Jeff Cobb <[4]jeffcobb1@me.com>, Pantdino <[5]pantdino@aol.com> >> Cc: "[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" >> <[7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! >> >> You can look at this government publication: >> [1][8]http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ01.pdf >> Starting at the bottom of page 3: >> How to Secure a Copyright >> Copyright Secured Automatically upon Creation >> The way in which copyright protection is secured is frequently >> misunderstood. No publication or registration or other action in the >> Copyright Office is required to secure copyright. See the following >> note. There are, however, certain definite advantages to >> registration. >> See Copyright Registration on page 7. >> and on page 7: >> a-c- Before an infringement suit may be filed in court, registration >> is >> necessary for works of U. S. origin. >> There is a safe harbor for fair use. If you take just part of a >> copyrighted work, and repost it commenting on it, it should fall >> within >> the safe harbor. So, for example, if someone running for an elected >> position, had made posts which might reflect on his suitability for >> the >> position, you should be able to repost portions of interest along >> with >> your comments. >> Ken >> __________________________________________________________________ >> From: Jeff Cobb <[9]jeffcobb1@me.com> >> To: Pantdino <[10]pantdino@aol.com> >> Cc: [11]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 2:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! >> Not true, Jim Oddie, in Louisiana and most if not all of USA. >> A person must apply, sign documents and pay for the security of the >> copyright law with The Secretary of State. >> I own four copyrights and trademarks. >> Yet the trademark for my 34 year old business name would be mine >> regardless of paperwork because >> it has and is fact that I should own it by reason of domain. >> Jeff Cobb >> On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso >> <[2][12]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: >>> I am not a copyright lawyer, but my understanding is that as soon >> as >>> someone creates something, that person has the copyright to >> it. So >> if >>> I write a post describing "how I change the coolant in my >> Pantera," >> I >>> have the copyright to that unless I specifically sign it over to >>> someone else. This is the issue the musicians of the '60's and >> '70's >>> clarified when they said they owned the music they wrote and the >> record >>> companies said they did. The courts found for the musicians. >>> >>> So I don't see how anyone has the copyright to a bunch of various >> posts >>> written by individuals as friends. So unless someone or some >> company >>> is the official owner of the list and they have warned everyone >> who >>> posts on it that they then hold the copyright to whatever is >> written >>> there, the idea of a lawsuit does not make sense. And who, >> exactly, >> is >>> the owner and how would one assign monetary damages to the >> copyright >>> infringement? If the owner is the Club, the President could only >> file >>> a lawsuit in compliance with the Club charter, which I'm sure >> does >>> include that. >>> >>> Jim Oddie >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[3][13]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> >>> Cc: detomaso <[4][14]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> >>> Sent: Sun, Jun 26, 2016 10:21 am >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! >>> If the problem is "your list" is in violation of something, and >> the >>> "list" >>> consist of all of "us", then including the list/us seems >> appropriate >> in >>> such discussions. >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: DeTomaso >> [[1][15]mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Jeff Cobb >>> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 13:08 PM >>> To: [2][6][16]audionut@hushmail.com >>> Cc: [3][7][17]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! >>> Thank you sir, audionut, for some clarity. >>> Maybe this thread-neurosis may come to an end. >>> And Kurt, if this belief and understandable worry ***Apparently, >> "my" >>> list >>> is violating copyrights,**** is worth a minute of your thought, >> then >>> write >>> and ask your accuser and cc the group to have your accuser state >> if >>> you-us >>> are or if you-us are not apparently doing a wrong. >>> SIMPLE and if this person does not respond then you have your >> answer. >>> Since you seem unclear and worried then YOU MUST have your >> problem >>> watchdog >>> person state if what you-us are doing is wrong. >>> CLARITY WILL KILL THIS FEAR. >>> No induced problem, no wrong and no accuser then all is well. >>> Not all dogs bite. >>> Know where you are walking. >>> Lawyers will just f**k small things up. >>> This perceived issue is just a 5 hr pimple not skin cancer. >>> Keep the lawyers at bay for the big problems. >>> Jeff Cobb >>> ----------------------------------------------------- >>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 11:37 AM, [4][8][18]audionut@hushmail.com >> wrote: >>>> Relax. This is ludicrous. Absolutely nothing to worry about. No >> need >>>> to hassle incorporating the forum. >>>> >>>> >>>> Disturbed, snippety people scare others with legal threats >> because >>> it's >>>> so easy. My schizophrenic, homeless sister does it from time to >> time, >>>> threatening my family with legal action ever since my Dad cut her >> out >>>> of his will over 20 years ago. He died in 1996 but to this day >> she >>>> still pulls this one out of her crazy bag and lobs it at us. >>>> >>>> >>>> The law is frighteningly confusing to most people and we all know >>> that >>>> many lawyers are, shall we say, less than scrupulous so people >> tend >>> to >>>> get a bit scared when threatened with the expensive, complicated, >>> dark >>>> world of the lawsuit. >>>> >>>> >>>> Don't waste a dime or another thought worrying about this >> nonsense-- >>>> >>>> >>>> But, if you are truly worried and losing sleep over this, go pay >> a >>>> lawyer $100 and he/she will tell you the same thing. >>>> Sent using Hushmail >>>> On June 26, 2016 at 9:10 AM, "Jeff Detrich" >> <[5][9][19]jjdetrich@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Kurt, >>>> I'm not a lawyer, but you might think about forming a corporation >> to >>>> run >>>> the email list. It's an inexpensive way to protect your personal >>>> assets >>>> should this get ugly and I would think most of us would be glad >> to >>>> fund the >>>> cost. >>>> Jeff - I can't believe we are having this discussion >>>> 6559 >>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes >> <[6][10][20]kdb@kbyrnes.com> >>> wrote: >>>>> Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night >>>> warning me >>>>> to hire an lawyer. 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So, when installing the Fluidyne radiator in my Pantera, I decided to mount the radiator in a slightly tilted forward position and mount the fans on the back instead of the front. This was going to work well except the twin fan assembly I had didn't have the proper vane curve on the fan blades to work from a puller direction. What I had to do was buy new fan blades and swap them out. You can see some of that on these pages, mid-way down: http://teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2469 It all worked out well in the end and I never had any overheating issues. Some folks have just as good operation with rear facing pusher fans mounted to the front of the radiator. Either way should work fine but you'll want to make sure the curve of the blades is proper for the direction the fans will turn, otherwise they won't push or pull as much air. Asa Jay Quoting Jeff Cobb <jeffcobb1@me.com>:
WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE START A THREAD ABOUT OVERHEATING AND FAN ROTATIONAL DIRECTION THEORIES????
Jeff Cobb
-- Asa Jay Laughton - sent from somewhere other than home ****************************************************** http://www.w7tsc.org http://www.teampanteraracing.com
Asa, You should have been able to just remove the blades and turn them around. That was the directions include when I installed Hayden fans. Maybe not all brands will reverse though. From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 1:54 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Overheating and fan directional theories So, when installing the Fluidyne radiator in my Pantera, I decided to mount the radiator in a slightly tilted forward position and mount the fans on the back instead of the front. This was going to work well except the twin fan assembly I had didn't have the proper vane curve on the fan blades to work from a puller direction. What I had to do was buy new fan blades and swap them out. You can see some of that on these pages, mid-way down: http://teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2469 It all worked out well in the end and I never had any overheating issues. Some folks have just as good operation with rear facing pusher fans mounted to the front of the radiator. Either way should work fine but you'll want to make sure the curve of the blades is proper for the direction the fans will turn, otherwise they won't push or pull as much air. Asa Jay Quoting Jeff Cobb <jeffcobb1@me.com>:
WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE START A THREAD ABOUT OVERHEATING AND FAN ROTATIONAL DIRECTION THEORIES????
Jeff Cobb
-- Asa Jay Laughton - sent from somewhere other than home ****************************************************** http://www.w7tsc.org/ http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Asa, You should have been able to just remove the blades and turn them around. That was the directions include when I installed Hayden fans. Maybe not all brands will reverse though. __________________________________________________________________ From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 1:54 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Overheating and fan directional theories So, when installing the Fluidyne radiator in my Pantera, I decided to mount the radiator in a slightly tilted forward position and mount the fans on the back instead of the front. This was going to work well except the twin fan assembly I had didn't have the proper vane curve on the fan blades to work from a puller direction. What I had to do was buy new fan blades and swap them out. You can see some of that on these pages, mid-way down: [1]http://teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gall ery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2469 It all worked out well in the end and I never had any overheating issues. Some folks have just as good operation with rear facing pusher fans mounted to the front of the radiator. Either way should work fine but you'll want to make sure the curve of the blades is proper for the direction the fans will turn, otherwise they won't push or pull as much air. Asa Jay Quoting Jeff Cobb <[2]jeffcobb1@me.com>:
WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE START A THREAD ABOUT OVERHEATING AND FAN ROTATIONAL DIRECTION THEORIES????
Jeff Cobb -- Asa Jay Laughton - sent from somewhere other than home
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Yes, the fan blades were not reversible as such due to how they were molded and mounted. However, the manufacturer (Flex-a-lite) in this instance does supply just the fan blades in the opposite orientation. If you look at the photos it will probably help explain it. I think I still have the other blades too. Asa Jay Quoting Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net>:
Asa, You should have been able to just remove the blades and turn them around. That was the directions include when I installed Hayden fans. Maybe not all brands will reverse though.
From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 1:54 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Overheating and fan directional theories
So, when installing the Fluidyne radiator in my Pantera, I decided to mount the radiator in a slightly tilted forward position and mount the fans on the back instead of the front.
This was going to work well except the twin fan assembly I had didn't have the proper vane curve on the fan blades to work from a puller direction. What I had to do was buy new fan blades and swap them out. You can see some of that on these pages, mid-way down:
http://teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2469
It all worked out well in the end and I never had any overheating issues. Some folks have just as good operation with rear facing pusher fans mounted to the front of the radiator. Either way should work fine but you'll want to make sure the curve of the blades is proper for the direction the fans will turn, otherwise they won't push or pull as much air.
Asa Jay
Quoting Jeff Cobb <jeffcobb1@me.com>:
WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE START A THREAD ABOUT OVERHEATING AND FAN ROTATIONAL DIRECTION THEORIES????
Jeff Cobb
-- Asa Jay Laughton - sent from somewhere other than home ****************************************************** http://www.w7tsc.org/ http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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Asa, I posted a long time ago, that I had a similar problem. The previous owner had mounted sucker SPAL fans, mounted as pushers and wired backward. They rotated in the pusher direction, but they hardly blew any air at all. Don¹t people test this? He also mounted it with curved metal tabs curled around the headlight bar. Serious redneck engineering. I remounted them as suckers, wired them correctly, and attached them directly to the radiator. As suckers, they really move air. As pushers, they mostly just agitate the air. I ran that way for years, and finally discovered that my car was overheating because I had blown a fuse. I had run for about 5 years in Houston traffic with no working fans at all - without overheating. I pulled it off because my commute was largely 50mph or faster. It didn¹t overheat until I got stuck in traffic in 100 deg heat. Will. On 6/28/16, 6:34 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of asajay@asajay.com> wrote:
Yes, the fan blades were not reversible as such due to how they were molded and mounted. However, the manufacturer (Flex-a-lite) in this instance does supply just the fan blades in the opposite orientation. If you look at the photos it will probably help explain it. I think I still have the other blades too.
Asa Jay
Quoting Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net>:
Asa, You should have been able to just remove the blades and turn them around. That was the directions include when I installed Hayden fans. Maybe not all brands will reverse though.
From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 1:54 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Overheating and fan directional theories
So, when installing the Fluidyne radiator in my Pantera, I decided to mount the radiator in a slightly tilted forward position and mount the fans on the back instead of the front.
This was going to work well except the twin fan assembly I had didn't have the proper vane curve on the fan blades to work from a puller direction. What I had to do was buy new fan blades and swap them out. You can see some of that on these pages, mid-way down:
http://teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&I temid=57&g2_itemId=2469
It all worked out well in the end and I never had any overheating issues. Some folks have just as good operation with rear facing pusher fans mounted to the front of the radiator. Either way should work fine but you'll want to make sure the curve of the blades is proper for the direction the fans will turn, otherwise they won't push or pull as much air.
Asa Jay
Quoting Jeff Cobb <jeffcobb1@me.com>:
WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE START A THREAD ABOUT OVERHEATING AND FAN ROTATIONAL DIRECTION THEORIES????
Jeff Cobb
-- Asa Jay Laughton - sent from somewhere other than home ****************************************************** http://www.w7tsc.org/ http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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If you are still experiencing overheating problems, you may want to try the solution taken by Doug Mann many years ago. If I remember his words, they were something like "If two vents are good, four vents must be better!" (Going through old folders when I found some of his potos...) On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 11:54 PM, Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net> wrote:
Asa,
You should have been able to just remove the blades and turn them around. That was the directions include when I installed Hayden fans. Maybe not all brands will reverse though. __________________________________________________________________
From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 1:54 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Overheating and fan directional theories So, when installing the Fluidyne radiator in my Pantera, I decided to mount the radiator in a slightly tilted forward position and mount the fans on the back instead of the front. This was going to work well except the twin fan assembly I had didn't have the proper vane curve on the fan blades to work from a puller direction. What I had to do was buy new fan blades and swap them out. You can see some of that on these pages, mid-way down: [1]http://teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gall ery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2469 It all worked out well in the end and I never had any overheating issues. Some folks have just as good operation with rear facing pusher fans mounted to the front of the radiator. Either way should work fine but you'll want to make sure the curve of the blades is proper for the direction the fans will turn, otherwise they won't push or pull as much air. Asa Jay Quoting Jeff Cobb <[2]jeffcobb1@me.com>:
WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE START A THREAD ABOUT OVERHEATING AND FAN ROTATIONAL DIRECTION THEORIES????
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If you are still experiencing overheating problems, you may want to try the solution taken by Doug Mann many years ago. If I remember his words, they were something like "If two vents are good, four vents must be better!" (Going through old folders when I found some of his potos...) On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 11:54 PM, Forest Goodhart <[1]forestg@att.net> wrote: A A Asa, A A You should have been able to just remove the blades and turn them A A around. That was the directions include when I installed Hayden fans. A A Maybe not all brands will reverse though. A A A __________________________________________________________________ A A From: Asa Jay Laughton <[2]asajay@asajay.com> A A To: [3]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 1:54 PM A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Overheating and fan directional theories A A So, when installing the Fluidyne radiator in my Pantera, I decided to A A mount the radiator in a slightly tilted forward position and mount the A A fans on the back instead of the front. A A This was going to work well except the twin fan assembly I had didn't A A have the proper vane curve on the fan blades to work from a puller A A direction.A What I had to do was buy new fan blades and swap them out. A A A You can see some of that on these pages, mid-way down: A A [1][4]http://teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&v iew=gall A A ery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2469 A A It all worked out well in the end and I never had any overheating A A issues.A Some folks have just as good operation with rear facing A A pusher fans mounted to the front of the radiator.A Either way should A A work fine but you'll want to make sure the curve of the blades is A A proper for the direction the fans will turn, otherwise they won't push A A or pull as much air. A A AsaA Jay A A Quoting Jeff Cobb <[2][5]jeffcobb1@me.com>: A A > WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE START A THREAD ABOUT OVERHEATING A A > AND FAN ROTATIONAL DIRECTION THEORIES???? A A > A A > Jeff Cobb A A -- A A Asa Jay Laughton - sent from somewhere other than home A A ****************************************************** A A [3][6]http://www.w7tsc.org/ A A [4][7]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ A A _______________________________________________ A A Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA A A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes A A DeTomaso mailing list A A [5][8]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A [6][9]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso A A To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) A A use the links above. A A Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any A A message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the A A list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive A A or approve the archiving of list messages. References A A 1. [10]http://teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2469 A A 2. mailto:[11]jeffcobb1@me.com A A 3. [12]http://www.w7tsc.org/ A A 4. [13]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ A A 5. mailto:[14]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A 6. [15]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [16]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [17]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:forestg@att.net 2. mailto:asajay@asajay.com 3. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 4. http://teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gall 5. mailto:jeffcobb1@me.com 6. http://www.w7tsc.org/ 7. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 8. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 9. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 10. http://teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2469 11. mailto:jeffcobb1@me.com 12. http://www.w7tsc.org/ 13. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 14. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 15. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 16. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 17. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
I believe a major consideration for sucker and pusher fans is that suckers can mounted close to the core and effectively pull air through, while pushers need space between the blades and core to push the air through. The popular Merriah (sp?) pusher fan motors are so large/long it's tough to get that space needed to best develop air flow through the core. Sent from my iPhone
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If you are still experiencing overheating problems, you may want to try the solution taken by Doug Mann many years ago. If I remember his words, they were something like "If two vents are good, four vents must be better!" (Going through old folders when I found some of his potos...)
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A A Asa, A A You should have been able to just remove the blades and turn them A A around. That was the directions include when I installed Hayden fans. A A Maybe not all brands will reverse though. A A A __________________________________________________________________ A A From: Asa Jay Laughton <[2]asajay@asajay.com> A A To: [3]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 1:54 PM A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Overheating and fan directional theories A A So, when installing the Fluidyne radiator in my Pantera, I decided to A A mount the radiator in a slightly tilted forward position and mount the A A fans on the back instead of the front. A A This was going to work well except the twin fan assembly I had didn't A A have the proper vane curve on the fan blades to work from a puller A A direction.A What I had to do was buy new fan blades and swap them out. A A A You can see some of that on these pages, mid-way down: A A [1][4]http://teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&v iew=gall A A ery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2469 A A It all worked out well in the end and I never had any overheating A A issues.A Some folks have just as good operation with rear facing A A pusher fans mounted to the front of the radiator.A Either way should A A work fine but you'll want to make sure the curve of the blades is A A proper for the direction the fans will turn, otherwise they won't push A A or pull as much air. A A AsaA Jay A A Quoting Jeff Cobb <[2][5]jeffcobb1@me.com>: A A > WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE START A THREAD ABOUT OVERHEATING A A > AND FAN ROTATIONAL DIRECTION THEORIES???? A A > A A > Jeff Cobb A A -- A A Asa Jay Laughton - sent from somewhere other than home A A ****************************************************** A A [3][6]http://www.w7tsc.org/ A A [4][7]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ A A _______________________________________________ A A Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA A A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes A A DeTomaso mailing list A A [5][8]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A [6][9]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso A A To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) A A use the links above. A A Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any A A message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the A A list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive A A or approve the archiving of list messages. References A A 1. [10]http://teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view= gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=2469 A A 2. mailto:[11]jeffcobb1@me.com A A 3. [12]http://www.w7tsc.org/ A A 4. [13]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ A A 5. mailto:[14]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A 6. [15]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [16]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [17]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
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Maybe I missed something. I agree the whole situation is insane. But just on a sliver of sanity, did anyone ask for copyright proof from the person making the threats? Or, is it a big bluffing game until a possible court date that the person threatening decides to drop it (maybe because there is NO COPYRIGHT by that person)? What a jerk the person is, to say the least. IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 7:54 PM To: Jeff Cobb; Pantdino Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! You can look at this government publication: http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ01.pdf Starting at the bottom of page 3: How to Secure a Copyright Copyright Secured Automatically upon CreationThe way in which copyright protection is secured is frequently misunderstood. No publication or registration or other action in the Copyright Office is required to secure copyright. See the following note. There are, however, certain definite advantages to registration. See Copyright Registration on page 7. and on page 7: • Before an infringement suit may be filed in court, registration is necessary for works of U. S. origin. There is a safe harbor for fair use. If you take just part of a copyrighted work, and repost it commenting on it, it should fall within the safe harbor. So, for example, if someone running for an elected position, had made posts which might reflect on his suitability for the position, you should be able to repost portions of interest along with your comments. Ken From: Jeff Cobb <jeffcobb1@me.com> To: Pantdino <pantdino@aol.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! Not true, Jim Oddie, in Louisiana and most if not all of USA. A person must apply, sign documents and pay for the security of the copyright law with The Secretary of State. I own four copyrights and trademarks. Yet the trademark for my 34 year old business name would be mine regardless of paperwork because it has and is fact that I should own it by reason of domain. Jeff Cobb On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
I am not a copyright lawyer, but my understanding is that as soon as someone creates something, that person has the copyright to it. So if I write a post describing "how I change the coolant in my Pantera," I have the copyright to that unless I specifically sign it over to someone else. This is the issue the musicians of the '60's and '70's clarified when they said they owned the music they wrote and the record companies said they did. The courts found for the musicians.
So I don't see how anyone has the copyright to a bunch of various posts written by individuals as friends. So unless someone or some company is the official owner of the list and they have warned everyone who posts on it that they then hold the copyright to whatever is written there, the idea of a lawsuit does not make sense. And who, exactly, is the owner and how would one assign monetary damages to the copyright infringement? If the owner is the Club, the President could only file a lawsuit in compliance with the Club charter, which I'm sure does include that.
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-----Original Message----- From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Cc: detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Sun, Jun 26, 2016 10:21 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! If the problem is "your list" is in violation of something, and the "list" consist of all of "us", then including the list/us seems appropriate in such discussions. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Cobb Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 13:08 PM To: [2]audionut@hushmail.com Cc: [3]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! Thank you sir, audionut, for some clarity. Maybe this thread-neurosis may come to an end. And Kurt, if this belief and understandable worry ***Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights,**** is worth a minute of your thought, then write and ask your accuser and cc the group to have your accuser state if you-us are or if you-us are not apparently doing a wrong. SIMPLE and if this person does not respond then you have your answer. Since you seem unclear and worried then YOU MUST have your problem watchdog person state if what you-us are doing is wrong. CLARITY WILL KILL THIS FEAR. No induced problem, no wrong and no accuser then all is well. Not all dogs bite. Know where you are walking. Lawyers will just f**k small things up. This perceived issue is just a 5 hr pimple not skin cancer. Keep the lawyers at bay for the big problems. Jeff Cobb ----------------------------------------------------- On Jun 26, 2016, at 11:37 AM, [4]audionut@hushmail.com wrote:
Relax. This is ludicrous. Absolutely nothing to worry about. No need to hassle incorporating the forum.
Disturbed, snippety people scare others with legal threats because it's so easy. My schizophrenic, homeless sister does it from time to time, threatening my family with legal action ever since my Dad cut her out of his will over 20 years ago. He died in 1996 but to this day she still pulls this one out of her crazy bag and lobs it at us.
The law is frighteningly confusing to most people and we all know that many lawyers are, shall we say, less than scrupulous so people tend to get a bit scared when threatened with the expensive, complicated, dark world of the lawsuit.
Don't waste a dime or another thought worrying about this nonsense--
But, if you are truly worried and losing sleep over this, go pay a lawyer $100 and he/she will tell you the same thing. Sent using Hushmail On June 26, 2016 at 9:10 AM, "Jeff Detrich" <[5]jjdetrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night warning me to hire an lawyer. Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights.
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Kurt, I'm not a lawyer, but you might think about forming a corporation to run the email list. It's an inexpensive way to protect your personal assets should this get ugly and I would think most of us would be glad to fund the cost. Jeff - I can't believe we are having this discussion 6559 On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes <[6]kdb@kbyrnes.com> wrote: list.
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Not so fast. If Kurt incorporated and paid expenses, including extra IRS filing, with donations, he could report it as income for his time and we donate a bit to show our gratitude. Don't get a big head though Kurt. We know that never ends well :) On Jun 26, 2016 12:37 PM, <audionut@hushmail.com> wrote:
Relax. This is ludicrous. Absolutely nothing to worry about. No need to hassle incorporating the forum.
Disturbed, snippety people scare others with legal threats because it's so easy. My schizophrenic, homeless sister does it from time to time, threatening my family with legal action ever since my Dad cut her out of his will over 20 years ago. He died in 1996 but to this day she still pulls this one out of her crazy bag and lobs it at us.
The law is frighteningly confusing to most people and we all know that many lawyers are, shall we say, less than scrupulous so people tend to get a bit scared when threatened with the expensive, complicated, dark world of the lawsuit.
Don't waste a dime or another thought worrying about this nonsense--
But, if you are truly worried and losing sleep over this, go pay a lawyer $100 and he/she will tell you the same thing. Sent using Hushmail On June 26, 2016 at 9:10 AM, "Jeff Detrich" <jjdetrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Kurt, I'm not a lawyer, but you might think about forming a corporation to run the email list. It's an inexpensive way to protect your personal assets should this get ugly and I would think most of us would be glad to fund the cost. Jeff - I can't believe we are having this discussion 6559 On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes <kdb@kbyrnes.com> wrote: > Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night warning me > to hire an lawyer. Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights. > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > [1]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. >
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Not so fast. If Kurt incorporated and paid expenses, including extra IRS filing, with donations, he could report it as income for his time and we donate a bit to show our gratitude. Don't get a big head though Kurt. We know that never ends well :) On Jun 26, 2016 12:37 PM, <[1]audionut@hushmail.com> wrote: A A Relax.A This is ludicrous.A Absolutely nothing to worry about.A No need A A to hassle incorporating the forum. A A Disturbed, snippety people scare others with legal threats because it's A A so easy.A My schizophrenic, homeless sister does it from time to time, A A threatening my family with legal action ever since my Dad cut her out A A of his will over 20 years ago.A He died in 1996 but to this day she A A still pulls this one out of her crazy bag and lobs it at us. A A The law is frighteningly confusing to most people and we all know that A A many lawyers are, shall we say, less than scrupulous so people tend to A A get a bit scared when threatened with the expensive, complicated, dark A A world of the lawsuit. A A Don't waste a dime or another thought worrying about this nonsense-- A A But, if you are truly worried and losing sleep over this, go pay a A A lawyer $100 and he/she will tell you the same thing. A A Sent using Hushmail A A On June 26, 2016 at 9:10 AM, "Jeff Detrich" <[2]jjdetrich@gmail.com> A A wrote: A A A Kurt, A A A I'm not a lawyer, but you might think about forming a corporation to A A A run A A A the email list. It's an inexpensive way to protect your personal A A A assets A A A should this get ugly and I would think most of us would be glad to A A A fund the A A A cost. A A A Jeff - I can't believe we are having this discussion A A A 6559 A A A On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes <[3]kdb@kbyrnes.com> wrote: A A A > Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night A A A warning me A A A > to hire an lawyer. Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights. A A A > A A A > _______________________________________________ A A A > A A A > A A A > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA A A A > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes A A A > DeTomaso mailing list A A A > [4]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A A > [1][5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso A A A > A A A > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, A A A etc.) use A A A > the links above. A A A > A A A > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward A A A any A A A > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the A A A list. A A A > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive A A A or approve A A A > the archiving of list messages. A A A > References A A 1. [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [7]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:audionut@hushmail.com 2. mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com 3. mailto:kdb@kbyrnes.com 4. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 7. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
Who is it, exactly, who is sending you the threatening emails? Is it the president? If so, why in the world would he risk alienating so many DeTomaso folks? Doesn't he realize that if anything such as the proposed lawsuit were to occur there would be a lot of members (including me) who would immediately terminate their membership from POCA? I just don't get it. I'd like to hear his side of the story to find out what he believes the problem to be. Sincerely, Chris KimballPast President, Panteras Northwest From: jjdetrich@gmail.com Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 11:09:37 -0500 To: kdb@kbyrnes.com CC: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! Kurt, I'm not a lawyer, but you might think about forming a corporation to run the email list. It's an inexpensive way to protect your personal assets should this get ugly and I would think most of us would be glad to fund the cost. Jeff - I can't believe we are having this discussion 6559 On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes <kdb@kbyrnes.com> wrote:
Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night warning me to hire an lawyer. Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights.
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_______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Who is it, exactly, who is sending you the threatening emails? Is it the president? If so, why in the world would he risk alienating so many DeTomaso folks? Doesn't he realize that if anything such as the proposed lawsuit were to occur there would be a lot of members (including me) who would immediately terminate their membership from POCA? I just don't get it. I'd like to hear his side of the story to find out what he believes the problem to be. Sincerely, Chris Kimball Past President, Panteras Northwest From: jjdetrich@gmail.com Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 11:09:37 -0500 To: kdb@kbyrnes.com CC: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats! Kurt, I'm not a lawyer, but you might think about forming a corporation to run the email list. It's an inexpensive way to protect your personal assets should this get ugly and I would think most of us would be glad to fund the cost. Jeff - I can't believe we are having this discussion 6559 On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes <kdb@kbyrnes.com> wrote:
Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night warning me to hire an lawyer. Apparently, "my" list is violating copyrights.
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Asa Jay Laughton -
audionut＠hushmail.com -
Charles McCall -
Christopher Kimball -
Corey Price -
Curt Hall -
Dave -
Forest Goodhart -
jderyke＠aol.com -
Jeff Cobb -
Jeff Detrich -
Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. -
Ken Green -
Konrad Szwab -
Kurt Byrnes -
L GRAY -
Larry Weston -
Mark Charlton -
Nathan Giles -
Pantdino -
Richard Greenblum -
Rob Dumoulin -
scottcouchman＠yahoo.com -
Stephen -
Will Kooiman