Laurie's vision of current topics (be warned ... long and tedious)
Hello out there in Pantera Email Forum Land. Huge thanks to Kurt as I am another who has always loved our communication in this way. For anyone who might be confused, just to be clear, I'm Laurie Basile/ aka Laurie Ferrari on here as that's my email name. I'm one in the same in case you are looking up any of my old postings in the archives, which I don't advise. I have some of my own thoughts on the new status of POCA. While there's no question that a stock, unmodified, unmolested Pantera is a rare and specially revered item, however the Pantera Club (POCA) and its Website is not to be confused with that same logic. The Club has needed modifications for far too long, most notably reconsideration of modernization and efforts to offer more to the members, and the opening of paths that were forever encumbered with roadblocks. I think the main beef of the many members/lurkers who have been complaining of late is due to the possible loss of the email forum. Yes? Or, some perhaps are not used to the no nonsense, energetic, assertive, personality of Michael Shortt. Well, as board meetings have been open to members I must say I was truly shocked at the rude and unprofessional demeanor of some of the oldest of Board Members. And those on here who are seeking fault and trying to paint a negative picture of the new direction of POCA, I say, if any of you are so touchy and hypersensitive, you'd not have been able to tolerate the myriads of posted comments through the years that could be considered the most non politically correct on here and greatest examples of taunts and tongue in cheek comments on everything from gayness, to racial and political insults, or the worst (personally offensive) the wing modifications on GT5 Panteras. ... Come on folks. What I see that is happening is that Mike Shortt's vision and those of the progressive Board members is one that many have begged for. That being one of a more professionally represented, respectable club (except for our more private, less respectable ramblings on here) one that's more of a Class Act rather than a knitting party, and more representative of the rarity and beauty of our cars, the wealth of knowledge and expertise of our members, and the generosity, helpfulness, and camaraderie of our people. I'd say Michael sees and is enacting, remember....with Board and Chapter Representative approval, a vision of the possibilities and potential of our organization to be more transparent as to the inner workings of major POCA decisions. Those in the know can not argue about the fact that this has been something sorely lacking in the past with regard to political issues, election fairness, and finances, i.e. comparative shopping for our needs, insurance, printing and so on. For the few to make suggestions or even comments that Mr. Shortt is a bigot or the usual gay comments from the peanut gallery.... shame on you! Those comments are just as untrue and inappropriate as they've ever been on here. But we grin and bare it and realize any such past comments would never be posted if serious. Or those who make such comments can look up the definition of "Psychological transference." I personally think a "Thank You" is far more appropriate for all the time, effort, and changes Michael is trying to implement! When the word went out that races were wanted at the Fun Rally, the first thing I recall he did was make contact and plans for such. It's ridiculous and unacceptable for anyone to be rude and insulting to those doing their best to help us have a better organization. I recently renewed my membership which I feel would be great if it was reduced a bit in cost (as it used to be) as I'd like the option to get only the "Profiles Magazine" in print form.. the Newsletter is perfectly suited for an online reference... (again, my opinion) and which I seem to hear would save the club something like $26,000 a year. On our new POCA Website I am able to look up old articles in Profiles... especially enjoy the ease of being able to find ones about my car and me, issue 2010 #1, and my SSCC synopsis, in 2000, #3. That's a whole lot easier than searching my own computer room and closet filled with years old multi-curricular lesson plans and old publications from POCA, and three other car clubs. I really love the idea of these publications being available ON LINE; it is quite modern and convenient. Insofar as the survey regarding POCA's Fun Rally...As always there were goods and not so goods. The good, naturally, is getting to see and socialize with old friends and meet new ones. The bad is that the Plaza remains to be, not the most appealing of choices. I don't know about the new furnishings but I do know that the entire floor where the hospitality and banquet was held was covered in sheets over the construction and warnings of potential injury....I kind of felt early on that it'd be a good idea, as a few others, to opt to stay at the Golden Nugget. It's right across the street and very nice! As usual though, at our event, the hospitality room opportunity with all the Club stores was and is always great. The sessions, especially Scott Mead's photography session was more than excellent. The run to Mt. Charles was beautiful. I didn't have a car there so I was so grateful to Lori Drew who hooked me up with a ride with a super nice fellow from PCNC, Bayani; many thanks Bayani! The banquet food was something I'm unable to compare easily as to the awfulness compared to any past Fun Rally. The Plaza buffets were generally decent in the past, even used to get a bottle of red and white wine on each table, but something definitely went amiss this year. As I was seated at a table with Terry Himes (Mars' space scientist) and friends, the best way to describe the salmon was freeze dried and suitable (almost) as astronaut food. The water was undrinkable, maybe tainted with some alien creatures, toxic chemicals, or poisoned purposefully so people would buy liquor during the banquet. Dessert, can't comment, didn't try. The raffle... well that's yet another story! I've been the one in the past who once had the job of recruiting prizes for months, organizing the displays, getting everything to Vegas, and then announcing the prizes at the dinner and I vividly recall being reprimanded for how long it took to disseminate prizes at the banquet ... BUT...in good fairness to me, i took a fraction of what happened this year.. which was in ponderous tortoise-like, multi-hours long, motion, so much to the fact that I literally made up for the previous two nights of lost sleep. I mean really, for hundreds of prizes from a few really nice car related, down to insignificant, and each prize announced in humorous but mostly painful detail ... down to a slew of t-shirts, one by one... and then waiting for the comatose winner to notice or be nudged awake that he or she'd won and then have to walk what seemed like 3 blocks to the podium to claim the prize... Good Lord! And I don't blame the presenter as I know what a difficult and commendable job this is.. it's the SYSTEM, not the person! I know many of you like to poke fun at the Corvette Clan but .... the way they've done raffles, at least the National ones, is to post a list of winning tickets #s and during the event, people go over periodically to see if they won, and get the prize from those in charge. Or those so inclined can stay at the prize area and watch the tickets being drawn. All the contributors are posted in advance and the donors are thanked and acknowledged on banners, signs, visuals, business cards, etc. There's always music and dancing and some sort of entertainment. We used to have music, karaoke, and entertainment. What happened??? So in conclusion, I like both the old (forum) and the new (POCA) and hope that people will be more cordial and appreciative of the efforts of Michael and those who work for us. Again much gratitude to Kurt and all involved for the Forum being alive and well. I am not in favor of the fact though that I very recently got a malicious malware bug that caused me to wipe out my entire computer... and start over, not saying it was from here.. BUT I've never had that problem before and I did have an excellent Internet security program installed. So I write with hopes that the risks are not found here! Can't leave without a big hello to Nathan of the North. Always great to hear from you and see your uplifting greetings. And to Bob Levitt...hope you remember me as I was out there on the Santa Monica pier to take pictures of you and your son upon your take off for the Gumball Cross Country race way back when. Still have them saved somewhere and they were on my former POCA album. Btw where are those albums? OK.... off and running and just might see lots of you at Pantera Palooza! Cheerio, Laurie Hello out there in Pantera Email Forum Land. Huge thanks to Kurt as I am another who has always loved our communication in this way. For anyone who might be confused, just to be clear, I'm Laurie Basile/ aka Laurie Ferrari on here as that's my email name. I'm one in the same in case you are looking up any of my old postings in the archives, which I don't advise. I have some of my own thoughts on the new status of POCA. While there's no question that a stock, unmodified, unmolested Pantera is a rare and specially revered item, however the Pantera Club (POCA) and its Website is not to be confused with that same logic. The Club has needed modifications for far too long, most notably reconsideration of modernization and efforts to offer more to the members, and the opening of paths that were forever encumbered with roadblocks. I think the main beef of the many members/lurkers who have been complaining of late is due to the possible loss of the email forum. Yes? Or, some perhaps are not used to the no nonsense, energetic, assertive, personality of Michael Shortt. Well, as board meetings have been open to members I must say I was truly shocked at the rude and unprofessional demeanor of some of the oldest of Board Members. And those on here who are seeking fault and trying to paint a negative picture of the new direction of POCA, I say, if any of you are so touchy and hypersensitive, you'd not have been able to tolerate the myriads of posted comments through the years that could be considered the most non politically correct on here and greatest examples of taunts and tongue in cheek comments on everything from gayness, to racial and political insults, or the worst (personally offensive) the wing modifications on GT5 Panteras. ... Come on folks. What I see that is happening is that Mike Shortt's vision and those of the progressive Board members is one that many have begged for. That being one of a more professionally represented, respectable club (except for our more private, less respectable ramblings on here) one that's more of a Class Act rather than a knitting party, and more representative of the rarity and beauty of our cars, the wealth of knowledge and expertise of our members, and the generosity, helpfulness, and camaraderie of our people. I'd say Michael sees and is enacting, remember....with Board and Chapter Representative approval, a vision of the possibilities and potential of our organization to be more transparent as to the inner workings of major POCA decisions. Those in the know can not argue about the fact that this has been something sorely lacking in the past with regard to political issues, election fairness, and finances, i.e. comparative shopping for our needs, insurance, printing and so on. For the few to make suggestions or even comments that Mr. Shortt is a bigot or the usual gay comments from the peanut gallery.... shame on you! Those comments are just as untrue and inappropriate as they've ever been on here. But we grin and bare it and realize any such past comments would never be posted if serious. Or those who make such comments can look up the definition of "Psychological transference." I personally think a "Thank You" is far more appropriate for all the time, effort, and changes Michael is trying to implement! When the word went out that races were wanted at the Fun Rally, the first thing I recall he did was make contact and plans for such. It's ridiculous and unacceptable for anyone to be rude and insulting to those doing their best to help us have a better organization. I recently renewed my membership which I feel would be great if it was reduced a bit in cost (as it used to be) as I'd like the option to get only the "Profiles Magazine" in print form.. the Newsletter is perfectly suited for an online reference... (again, my opinion) and which I seem to hear would save the club something like $26,000 a year. On our new POCA Website I am able to look up old articles in Profiles... especially enjoy the ease of being able to find ones about my car and me, issue 2010 #1, and my SSCC synopsis, in 2000, #3. That's a whole lot easier than searching my own computer room and closet filled with years old multi-curricular lesson plans and old publications from POCA, and three other car clubs. I really love the idea of these publications being available ON LINE; it is quite modern and convenient. Insofar as the survey regarding POCA's Fun Rally...As always there were goods and not so goods. The good, naturally, is getting to see and socialize with old friends and meet new ones. The bad is that the Plaza remains to be, not the most appealing of choices. I don't know about the new furnishings but I do know that the entire floor where the hospitality and banquet was held was covered in sheets over the construction and warnings of potential injury....I kind of felt early on that it'd be a good idea, as a few others, to opt to stay at the Golden Nugget. It's right across the street and very nice! As usual though, at our event, the hospitality room opportunity with all the Club stores was and is always great. The sessions, especially Scott Mead's photography session was more than excellent. The run to Mt. Charles was beautiful. I didn't have a car there so I was so grateful to Lori Drew who hooked me up with a ride with a super nice fellow from PCNC, Bayani; many thanks Bayani! The banquet food was something I'm unable to compare easily as to the awfulness compared to any past Fun Rally. The Plaza buffets were generally decent in the past, even used to get a bottle of red and white wine on each table, but something definitely went amiss this year. As I was seated at a table with Terry Himes (Mars' space scientist) and friends, the best way to describe the salmon was freeze dried and suitable (almost) as astronaut food. The water was undrinkable, maybe tainted with some alien creatures, toxic chemicals, or poisoned purposefully so people would buy liquor during the banquet. Dessert, can't comment, didn't try. The raffle... well that's yet another story! I've been the one in the past who once had the job of recruiting prizes for months, organizing the displays, getting everything to Vegas, and then announcing the prizes at the dinner and I vividly recall being reprimanded for how long it took to disseminate prizes at the banquet ... BUT...in good fairness to me, i took a fraction of what happened this year.. which was in ponderous tortoise-like, multi-hours long, motion, so much to the fact that I literally made up for the previous two nights of lost sleep. I mean really, for hundreds of prizes from a few really nice car related, down to insignificant, and each prize announced in humorous but mostly painful detail ... down to a slew of t-shirts, one by one... and then waiting for the comatose winner to notice or be nudged awake that he or she'd won and then have to walk what seemed like 3 blocks to the podium to claim the prize... Good Lord! And I don't blame the presenter as I know what a difficult and commendable job this is.. it's the SYSTEM, not the person! I know many of you like to poke fun at the Corvette Clan but .... the way they've done raffles, at least the National ones, is to post a list of winning tickets #s and during the event, people go over periodically to see if they won, and get the prize from those in charge. Or those so inclined can stay at the prize area and watch the tickets being drawn. All the contributors are posted in advance and the donors are thanked and acknowledged on banners, signs, visuals, business cards, etc. There's always music and dancing and some sort of entertainment. We used to have music, karaoke, and entertainment. What happened??? So in conclusion, I like both the old (forum) and the new (POCA) and hope that people will be more cordial and appreciative of the efforts of Michael and those who work for us. Again much gratitude to Kurt and all involved for the Forum being alive and well. I am not in favor of the fact though that I very recently got a malicious malware bug that caused me to wipe out my entire computer... and start over, not saying it was from here.. BUT I've never had that problem before and I did have an excellent Internet security program installed. So I write with hopes that the risks are not found here! Can't leave without a big hello to Nathan of the North. Always great to hear from you and see your uplifting greetings. And to Bob Levitt...hope you remember me as I was out there on the Santa Monica pier to take pictures of you and your son upon your take off for the Gumball Cross Country race way back when. Still have them saved somewhere and they were on my former POCA album. Btw where are those albums? OK.... off and running and just might see lots of you at Pantera Palooza! Cheerio, Laurie
Here, here..... I am confident that Laurie speaks for the majority of the folks that look at the actions of the new POCA leadership in a very positive way, a way that will strengthen the club, the DeTomaso brand, and the great comradeship that exists in what I believe is unique in a marque organization. And to all the DeTomaso fans and owners that have served our great country, thank you. We are fortunate to have survived, and remember those today that didn't when called to serve our country. On May 30, 2016 5:14 AM, "Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso" < detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Hello out there in Pantera Email Forum Land. Huge thanks to Kurt as I am another who has always loved our communication in this way. For anyone who might be confused, just to be clear, I'm Laurie Basile/ aka Laurie Ferrari on here as that's my email name. I'm one in the same in case you are looking up any of my old postings in the archives, which I don't advise. I have some of my own thoughts on the new status of POCA. While there's no question that a stock, unmodified, unmolested Pantera is a rare and specially revered item, however the Pantera Club (POCA) and its Website is not to be confused with that same logic. The Club has needed modifications for far too long, most notably reconsideration of modernization and efforts to offer more to the members, and the opening of paths that were forever encumbered with roadblocks. I think the main beef of the many members/lurkers who have been complaining of late is due to the possible loss of the email forum. Yes? Or, some perhaps are not used to the no nonsense, energetic, assertive, personality of Michael Shortt. Well, as board meetings have been open to members I must say I was truly shocked at the rude and unprofessional demeanor of some of the oldest of Board Members. And those on here who are seeking fault and trying to paint a negative picture of the new direction of POCA, I say, if any of you are so touchy and hypersensitive, you'd not have been able to tolerate the myriads of posted comments through the years that could be considered the most non politically correct on here and greatest examples of taunts and tongue in cheek comments on everything from gayness, to racial and political insults, or the worst (personally offensive) the wing modifications on GT5 Panteras. ... Come on folks. What I see that is happening is that Mike Shortt's vision and those of the progressive Board members is one that many have begged for. That being one of a more professionally represented, respectable club (except for our more private, less respectable ramblings on here) one that's more of a Class Act rather than a knitting party, and more representative of the rarity and beauty of our cars, the wealth of knowledge and expertise of our members, and the generosity, helpfulness, and camaraderie of our people. I'd say Michael sees and is enacting, remember....with Board and Chapter Representative approval, a vision of the possibilities and potential of our organization to be more transparent as to the inner workings of major POCA decisions. Those in the know can not argue about the fact that this has been something sorely lacking in the past with regard to political issues, election fairness, and finances, i.e. comparative shopping for our needs, insurance, printing and so on. For the few to make suggestions or even comments that Mr. Shortt is a bigot or the usual gay comments from the peanut gallery.... shame on you! Those comments are just as untrue and inappropriate as they've ever been on here. But we grin and bare it and realize any such past comments would never be posted if serious. Or those who make such comments can look up the definition of "Psychological transference." I personally think a "Thank You" is far more appropriate for all the time, effort, and changes Michael is trying to implement! When the word went out that races were wanted at the Fun Rally, the first thing I recall he did was make contact and plans for such. It's ridiculous and unacceptable for anyone to be rude and insulting to those doing their best to help us have a better organization. I recently renewed my membership which I feel would be great if it was reduced a bit in cost (as it used to be) as I'd like the option to get only the "Profiles Magazine" in print form.. the Newsletter is perfectly suited for an online reference... (again, my opinion) and which I seem to hear would save the club something like $26,000 a year. On our new POCA Website I am able to look up old articles in Profiles... especially enjoy the ease of being able to find ones about my car and me, issue 2010 #1, and my SSCC synopsis, in 2000, #3. That's a whole lot easier than searching my own computer room and closet filled with years old multi-curricular lesson plans and old publications from POCA, and three other car clubs. I really love the idea of these publications being available ON LINE; it is quite modern and convenient. Insofar as the survey regarding POCA's Fun Rally...As always there were goods and not so goods. The good, naturally, is getting to see and socialize with old friends and meet new ones. The bad is that the Plaza remains to be, not the most appealing of choices. I don't know about the new furnishings but I do know that the entire floor where the hospitality and banquet was held was covered in sheets over the construction and warnings of potential injury....I kind of felt early on that it'd be a good idea, as a few others, to opt to stay at the Golden Nugget. It's right across the street and very nice! As usual though, at our event, the hospitality room opportunity with all the Club stores was and is always great. The sessions, especially Scott Mead's photography session was more than excellent. The run to Mt. Charles was beautiful. I didn't have a car there so I was so grateful to Lori Drew who hooked me up with a ride with a super nice fellow from PCNC, Bayani; many thanks Bayani! The banquet food was something I'm unable to compare easily as to the awfulness compared to any past Fun Rally. The Plaza buffets were generally decent in the past, even used to get a bottle of red and white wine on each table, but something definitely went amiss this year. As I was seated at a table with Terry Himes (Mars' space scientist) and friends, the best way to describe the salmon was freeze dried and suitable (almost) as astronaut food. The water was undrinkable, maybe tainted with some alien creatures, toxic chemicals, or poisoned purposefully so people would buy liquor during the banquet. Dessert, can't comment, didn't try. The raffle... well that's yet another story! I've been the one in the past who once had the job of recruiting prizes for months, organizing the displays, getting everything to Vegas, and then announcing the prizes at the dinner and I vividly recall being reprimanded for how long it took to disseminate prizes at the banquet ... BUT...in good fairness to me, i took a fraction of what happened this year.. which was in ponderous tortoise-like, multi-hours long, motion, so much to the fact that I literally made up for the previous two nights of lost sleep. I mean really, for hundreds of prizes from a few really nice car related, down to insignificant, and each prize announced in humorous but mostly painful detail ... down to a slew of t-shirts, one by one... and then waiting for the comatose winner to notice or be nudged awake that he or she'd won and then have to walk what seemed like 3 blocks to the podium to claim the prize... Good Lord! And I don't blame the presenter as I know what a difficult and commendable job this is.. it's the SYSTEM, not the person! I know many of you like to poke fun at the Corvette Clan but .... the way they've done raffles, at least the National ones, is to post a list of winning tickets #s and during the event, people go over periodically to see if they won, and get the prize from those in charge. Or those so inclined can stay at the prize area and watch the tickets being drawn. All the contributors are posted in advance and the donors are thanked and acknowledged on banners, signs, visuals, business cards, etc. There's always music and dancing and some sort of entertainment. We used to have music, karaoke, and entertainment. What happened??? So in conclusion, I like both the old (forum) and the new (POCA) and hope that people will be more cordial and appreciative of the efforts of Michael and those who work for us. Again much gratitude to Kurt and all involved for the Forum being alive and well. I am not in favor of the fact though that I very recently got a malicious malware bug that caused me to wipe out my entire computer... and start over, not saying it was from here.. BUT I've never had that problem before and I did have an excellent Internet security program installed. So I write with hopes that the risks are not found here! Can't leave without a big hello to Nathan of the North. Always great to hear from you and see your uplifting greetings. And to Bob Levitt...hope you remember me as I was out there on the Santa Monica pier to take pictures of you and your son upon your take off for the Gumball Cross Country race way back when. Still have them saved somewhere and they were on my former POCA album. Btw where are those albums? OK.... off and running and just might see lots of you at Pantera Palooza! Cheerio, Laurie
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Here, here..... I am confident that LaurieA speaks for the majority of the folks that look at the actions of the new POCA leadership in a very positive way, a way that will strengthen the club, the DeTomaso brand, and the great comradeship that exists in what I believe is unique in a marque organization. And to all the DeTomaso fans and owners that have served our great country, thank you. We are fortunate to have survived, and remember those today that didn't when called to serve our country. On May 30, 2016 5:14 AM, "Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso" <[1]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: A A Hello out there in Pantera Email Forum Land.A Huge thanks to Kurt as I A A am another who has always loved our communication in this way. A A For anyone who might be confused, just to be clear, I'm Laurie Basile/ A A aka Laurie Ferrari on here as that's my email name.A I'm one in the A A same in case you are looking up any of my old postings in the archives, A A which I don't advise. A A I have some of my own thoughts on the new status of POCA. A A While there's no question that a stock, unmodified, unmolested Pantera A A is a rare and specially revered item, however the Pantera Club (POCA) A A and its Website is not to be confused with that same logic.A The Club A A has needed modifications for far too long, most notably reconsideration A A of modernization and efforts to offer more to the members, and the A A opening of paths that were forever encumbered with roadblocks. A A I think the main beef of the many members/lurkers who have been A A complaining of late is due to the possible loss of the email forum. A A Yes? Or, some perhaps are not used to the no nonsense, energetic, A A assertive, personality of Michael Shortt.A Well, as board meetings have A A been open to members I must say I was truly shocked at the rude and A A unprofessional demeanor of some of the oldest of Board Members.A And A A those on here who are seeking fault and trying to paint a negative A A picture of the new direction of POCA, I say, if any of you are A A so touchy and hypersensitive, you'd not have been able to tolerate the A A myriads of posted comments through the years that could be considered A A the most non politically correct on here and greatest examples of A A taunts and tongue in cheek comments on everything from gayness, to A A racial and political insults, or the worst (personally offensive) the A A wing modifications on GT5 Panteras.A ... Come on folks.A What I see A A that is happening is that Mike Shortt's vision and those of the A A progressive Board members is one that many have begged for.A That being A A one of a more professionally represented, respectable club (except for A A our more private, less respectable ramblings on here) one that's more A A of a Class Act rather than a knitting party, and more representative of A A the rarity and beauty of our cars, the wealth of knowledge A A and expertise of our members, and the generosity, helpfulness, and A A camaraderie of our people.A I'd say Michael sees and is enacting, A A remember....with Board and Chapter Representative approval, a vision of A A the possibilities and potential of our organization to be more A A transparent as to the inner workings of major POCA decisions.A Those in A A the know can not argue about the fact that this has been something A A sorely lacking in the past with regard to political issues, election A A fairness, and finances, i.e. comparative shopping for our needs, A A insurance, printing and so on. A A For the few to make suggestions or even comments that Mr. Shortt is a A A bigot or the usual gay comments from the peanut gallery.... shame A A on you! Those comments are just as untrue and inappropriate as they've A A ever been on here.A But we grin and bare it and realize any such past A A comments would never be posted if serious.A Or those who make such A A comments can look up the definition of "Psychological transference."A I A A personally think a "Thank You" is far more appropriate for all the A A time, effort, and changes Michael is trying to implement! When the word A A went out that races were wanted at the Fun Rally, the first thing I A A recall he did was make contact and plans for such. It's ridiculous and A A unacceptable for anyone to be rude and insulting to those doing their A A best to help us have a better organization. A A I recently renewed my membership which I feel would be great if it was A A reduced a bit in cost (as it used to be) as I'd like the option to get A A only the "Profiles Magazine" in print form.. the Newsletter is A A perfectly suited for an online reference... (again, my opinion) and A A which I seem to hear would save the club something like $26,000 a A A year.A On our new POCA Website I am able to look up old articles in A A Profiles... especially enjoy the ease of being able to find ones about A A my car and me, issue 2010 #1, and my SSCC synopsis, in 2000, #3. That's A A a whole lot easier than searching my own computer room and closet A A filled with years old multi-curricular lesson plans and old A A publications from POCA, and three other car clubs. I really love the A A idea of these publications being available ON LINE; it is quite modern A A and convenient. A A Insofar as the survey regarding POCA's Fun Rally...As always there were A A goods and not so goods. The good, naturally, is getting to see and A A socialize with old friends and meet new ones. The bad is that the Plaza A A remains to be, not the most appealing of choices. I don't know about A A the new furnishings but I do know that the entire floor where the A A hospitality and banquet was held was covered in sheets over the A A construction and warnings of potential injury....I kind of felt early A A on that it'd be a good idea, as a few others, to opt to stay at the A A Golden Nugget.A It's right across the street and very nice! As usual A A though, at our event, the hospitality room opportunity with all the A A Club stores was and is always great.A The sessions, especially Scott A A Mead's photography session was more than excellent. The run to Mt. A A Charles was beautiful. I didn't have a car there so I was so grateful A A to Lori Drew who hooked me up with a ride with a super nice fellow from A A PCNC, Bayani; many thanks Bayani! The banquet food was something I'm A A unable to compare easily as to the awfulness compared to any past Fun A A Rally. The Plaza buffets were generally decent in the past, even used A A to get a bottle of red and white wine on each table, but something A A definitely went amiss this year. As I was seated at a table with Terry A A Himes (Mars' space scientist) and friends, the best way to describe the A A salmon was freeze dried and suitable (almost) as astronaut food. The A A water was undrinkable, maybe tainted with some alien creatures, toxic A A chemicals, or poisoned purposefully so people would buy liquor during A A the banquet. Dessert, can't comment, didn't try.A The raffle... well A A that's yet another story!A I've been the one in the past who once had A A the job of recruiting prizes for months, organizing the displays, A A getting everything to Vegas, and then announcing the prizes at A A the dinner and I vividly recall being reprimanded for how long it took A A to disseminate prizes at the banquet ... BUT...in good fairness to me, A A i took a fraction of what happened this year.. which was in ponderous A A tortoise-like, multi-hours long, motion, so much to the fact that I A A literally made up for the previous two nights of lost sleep. I mean A A really, for hundreds of prizes from a few really nice car related, A A down to insignificant, and each prize announced in humorous but mostly A A painful detail ... down to a slew of t-shirts, one by one... and then A A waiting for the comatose winner to notice or be nudged awake that he or A A she'd won and then have to walk what seemed like 3 blocks to the podium A A to claim the prize... Good Lord!A And I don't blame the presenter as I A A know what a difficult and commendable job this is.. it's the SYSTEM, A A not the person!A A I know many of you like to poke fun at the Corvette A A Clan but .... the way they've done raffles, at least the National A A ones, is to post a list of winning tickets #s and during the event, A A people go over periodically to see if they won, and get the prize from A A those in charge. Or those so inclined can stay at the prize area and A A watch the tickets being drawn.A All the contributors are posted in A A advance and the donors are thanked and acknowledged on banners, signs, A A visuals, business cards, etc.A There's always music and dancing and A A some sort of entertainment. We used to have music, karaoke, and A A entertainment. What happened??? A A So in conclusion, I like both the old (forum) and the new (POCA) and A A hope that people will be more cordial and appreciative of the efforts A A of Michael and those who work for us. A A Again much gratitude to Kurt and all involved for the Forum being alive A A and well.A I am not in favor of the fact though that I very recently A A got a malicious malware bug that caused me to wipe out my A A entire computer... and start over, not saying it was from here.. BUT A A I've never had that problem before and I did have an excellent Internet A A security program installed.A So I write with hopes that the risks are A A not found here! A A Can't leave without a big hello to Nathan of the North.A Always A A great to hear from you and see your uplifting greetings.A And to Bob A A Levitt...hope you remember me as I was out there on the Santa Monica A A pier to take pictures of you and your son upon your take A A off for the Gumball Cross Country race way back when. Still have them A A saved somewhere and they were on my former POCA album.A Btw where are A A those albums? A A OK.... off and running and just might see lots of you at Pantera A A Palooza! A A Cheerio, A A Laurie _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 2. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
For the TLDR crowd, Laurie's last line was "OK.... off and running and just might see lots of you at Pantera Palooza! Cheerio, Laurie" If you are planning to join us this year at the Palooza (highly recommended!), please let us know by mailing an Entry Form to pre-enter your car and/or order lunch. It helps us plan for cars and buy your lunch so you don't go home hungry. We want you to have a great time!
On May 30, 2016, at 2:14 AM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Hello out there in Pantera Email Forum Land. Huge thanks to Kurt as I am another who has always loved our communication in this way. For anyone who might be confused, just to be clear, I'm Laurie Basile/ aka Laurie Ferrari on here as that's my email name. I'm one in the same in case you are looking up any of my old postings in the archives, which I don't advise. I have some of my own thoughts on the new status of POCA. While there's no question that a stock, unmodified, unmolested Pantera is a rare and specially revered item, however the Pantera Club (POCA) and its Website is not to be confused with that same logic. The Club has needed modifications for far too long, most notably reconsideration of modernization and efforts to offer more to the members, and the opening of paths that were forever encumbered with roadblocks. I think the main beef of the many members/lurkers who have been complaining of late is due to the possible loss of the email forum. Yes? Or, some perhaps are not used to the no nonsense, energetic, assertive, personality of Michael Shortt. Well, as board meetings have been open to members I must say I was truly shocked at the rude and unprofessional demeanor of some of the oldest of Board Members. And those on here who are seeking fault and trying to paint a negative picture of the new direction of POCA, I say, if any of you are so touchy and hypersensitive, you'd not have been able to tolerate the myriads of posted comments through the years that could be considered the most non politically correct on here and greatest examples of taunts and tongue in cheek comments on everything from gayness, to racial and political insults, or the worst (personally offensive) the wing modifications on GT5 Panteras. ... Come on folks. What I see that is happening is that Mike Shortt's vision and those of the progressive Board members is one that many have begged for. That being one of a more professionally represented, respectable club (except for our more private, less respectable ramblings on here) one that's more of a Class Act rather than a knitting party, and more representative of the rarity and beauty of our cars, the wealth of knowledge and expertise of our members, and the generosity, helpfulness, and camaraderie of our people. I'd say Michael sees and is enacting, remember....with Board and Chapter Representative approval, a vision of the possibilities and potential of our organization to be more transparent as to the inner workings of major POCA decisions. Those in the know can not argue about the fact that this has been something sorely lacking in the past with regard to political issues, election fairness, and finances, i.e. comparative shopping for our needs, insurance, printing and so on. For the few to make suggestions or even comments that Mr. Shortt is a bigot or the usual gay comments from the peanut gallery.... shame on you! Those comments are just as untrue and inappropriate as they've ever been on here. But we grin and bare it and realize any such past comments would never be posted if serious. Or those who make such comments can look up the definition of "Psychological transference." I personally think a "Thank You" is far more appropriate for all the time, effort, and changes Michael is trying to implement! When the word went out that races were wanted at the Fun Rally, the first thing I recall he did was make contact and plans for such. It's ridiculous and unacceptable for anyone to be rude and insulting to those doing their best to help us have a better organization. I recently renewed my membership which I feel would be great if it was reduced a bit in cost (as it used to be) as I'd like the option to get only the "Profiles Magazine" in print form.. the Newsletter is perfectly suited for an online reference... (again, my opinion) and which I seem to hear would save the club something like $26,000 a year. On our new POCA Website I am able to look up old articles in Profiles... especially enjoy the ease of being able to find ones about my car and me, issue 2010 #1, and my SSCC synopsis, in 2000, #3. That's a whole lot easier than searching my own computer room and closet filled with years old multi-curricular lesson plans and old publications from POCA, and three other car clubs. I really love the idea of these publications being available ON LINE; it is quite modern and convenient. Insofar as the survey regarding POCA's Fun Rally...As always there were goods and not so goods. The good, naturally, is getting to see and socialize with old friends and meet new ones. The bad is that the Plaza remains to be, not the most appealing of choices. I don't know about the new furnishings but I do know that the entire floor where the hospitality and banquet was held was covered in sheets over the construction and warnings of potential injury....I kind of felt early on that it'd be a good idea, as a few others, to opt to stay at the Golden Nugget. It's right across the street and very nice! As usual though, at our event, the hospitality room opportunity with all the Club stores was and is always great. The sessions, especially Scott Mead's photography session was more than excellent. The run to Mt. Charles was beautiful. I didn't have a car there so I was so grateful to Lori Drew who hooked me up with a ride with a super nice fellow from PCNC, Bayani; many thanks Bayani! The banquet food was something I'm unable to compare easily as to the awfulness compared to any past Fun Rally. The Plaza buffets were generally decent in the past, even used to get a bottle of red and white wine on each table, but something definitely went amiss this year. As I was seated at a table with Terry Himes (Mars' space scientist) and friends, the best way to describe the salmon was freeze dried and suitable (almost) as astronaut food. The water was undrinkable, maybe tainted with some alien creatures, toxic chemicals, or poisoned purposefully so people would buy liquor during the banquet. Dessert, can't comment, didn't try. The raffle... well that's yet another story! I've been the one in the past who once had the job of recruiting prizes for months, organizing the displays, getting everything to Vegas, and then announcing the prizes at the dinner and I vividly recall being reprimanded for how long it took to disseminate prizes at the banquet ... BUT...in good fairness to me, i took a fraction of what happened this year.. which was in ponderous tortoise-like, multi-hours long, motion, so much to the fact that I literally made up for the previous two nights of lost sleep. I mean really, for hundreds of prizes from a few really nice car related, down to insignificant, and each prize announced in humorous but mostly painful detail ... down to a slew of t-shirts, one by one... and then waiting for the comatose winner to notice or be nudged awake that he or she'd won and then have to walk what seemed like 3 blocks to the podium to claim the prize... Good Lord! And I don't blame the presenter as I know what a difficult and commendable job this is.. it's the SYSTEM, not the person! I know many of you like to poke fun at the Corvette Clan but .... the way they've done raffles, at least the National ones, is to post a list of winning tickets #s and during the event, people go over periodically to see if they won, and get the prize from those in charge. Or those so inclined can stay at the prize area and watch the tickets being drawn. All the contributors are posted in advance and the donors are thanked and acknowledged on banners, signs, visuals, business cards, etc. There's always music and dancing and some sort of entertainment. We used to have music, karaoke, and entertainment. What happened??? So in conclusion, I like both the old (forum) and the new (POCA) and hope that people will be more cordial and appreciative of the efforts of Michael and those who work for us. Again much gratitude to Kurt and all involved for the Forum being alive and well. I am not in favor of the fact though that I very recently got a malicious malware bug that caused me to wipe out my entire computer... and start over, not saying it was from here.. BUT I've never had that problem before and I did have an excellent Internet security program installed. So I write with hopes that the risks are not found here! Can't leave without a big hello to Nathan of the North. Always great to hear from you and see your uplifting greetings. And to Bob Levitt...hope you remember me as I was out there on the Santa Monica pier to take pictures of you and your son upon your take off for the Gumball Cross Country race way back when. Still have them saved somewhere and they were on my former POCA album. Btw where are those albums? OK.... off and running and just might see lots of you at Pantera Palooza! Cheerio, Laurie _______________________________________________
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Did you mean "Nolan of the North"? aka Nolan Scheid From: Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 2:14 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] Laurie's vision of current topics (be warned ... long and tedious) Hello out there in Pantera Email Forum Land. Huge thanks to Kurt as I am another who has always loved our communication in this way. For anyone who might be confused, just to be clear, I'm Laurie Basile/ aka Laurie Ferrari on here as that's my email name. I'm one in the same in case you are looking up any of my old postings in the archives, which I don't advise. I have some of my own thoughts on the new status of POCA. While there's no question that a stock, unmodified, unmolested Pantera is a rare and specially revered item, however the Pantera Club (POCA) and its Website is not to be confused with that same logic. The Club has needed modifications for far too long, most notably reconsideration of modernization and efforts to offer more to the members, and the opening of paths that were forever encumbered with roadblocks. I think the main beef of the many members/lurkers who have been complaining of late is due to the possible loss of the email forum. Yes? Or, some perhaps are not used to the no nonsense, energetic, assertive, personality of Michael Shortt. Well, as board meetings have been open to members I must say I was truly shocked at the rude and unprofessional demeanor of some of the oldest of Board Members. And those on here who are seeking fault and trying to paint a negative picture of the new direction of POCA, I say, if any of you are so touchy and hypersensitive, you'd not have been able to tolerate the myriads of posted comments through the years that could be considered the most non politically correct on here and greatest examples of taunts and tongue in cheek comments on everything from gayness, to racial and political insults, or the worst (personally offensive) the wing modifications on GT5 Panteras. ... Come on folks. What I see that is happening is that Mike Shortt's vision and those of the progressive Board members is one that many have begged for. That being one of a more professionally represented, respectable club (except for our more private, less respectable ramblings on here) one that's more of a Class Act rather than a knitting party, and more representative of the rarity and beauty of our cars, the wealth of knowledge and expertise of our members, and the generosity, helpfulness, and camaraderie of our people. I'd say Michael sees and is enacting, remember....with Board and Chapter Representative approval, a vision of the possibilities and potential of our organization to be more transparent as to the inner workings of major POCA decisions. Those in the know can not argue about the fact that this has been something sorely lacking in the past with regard to political issues, election fairness, and finances, i.e. comparative shopping for our needs, insurance, printing and so on. For the few to make suggestions or even comments that Mr. Shortt is a bigot or the usual gay comments from the peanut gallery.... shame on you! Those comments are just as untrue and inappropriate as they've ever been on here. But we grin and bare it and realize any such past comments would never be posted if serious. Or those who make such comments can look up the definition of "Psychological transference." I personally think a "Thank You" is far more appropriate for all the time, effort, and changes Michael is trying to implement! When the word went out that races were wanted at the Fun Rally, the first thing I recall he did was make contact and plans for such. It's ridiculous and unacceptable for anyone to be rude and insulting to those doing their best to help us have a better organization. I recently renewed my membership which I feel would be great if it was reduced a bit in cost (as it used to be) as I'd like the option to get only the "Profiles Magazine" in print form.. the Newsletter is perfectly suited for an online reference... (again, my opinion) and which I seem to hear would save the club something like $26,000 a year. On our new POCA Website I am able to look up old articles in Profiles... especially enjoy the ease of being able to find ones about my car and me, issue 2010 #1, and my SSCC synopsis, in 2000, #3. That's a whole lot easier than searching my own computer room and closet filled with years old multi-curricular lesson plans and old publications from POCA, and three other car clubs. I really love the idea of these publications being available ON LINE; it is quite modern and convenient. Insofar as the survey regarding POCA's Fun Rally...As always there were goods and not so goods. The good, naturally, is getting to see and socialize with old friends and meet new ones. The bad is that the Plaza remains to be, not the most appealing of choices. I don't know about the new furnishings but I do know that the entire floor where the hospitality and banquet was held was covered in sheets over the construction and warnings of potential injury....I kind of felt early on that it'd be a good idea, as a few others, to opt to stay at the Golden Nugget. It's right across the street and very nice! As usual though, at our event, the hospitality room opportunity with all the Club stores was and is always great. The sessions, especially Scott Mead's photography session was more than excellent. The run to Mt. Charles was beautiful. I didn't have a car there so I was so grateful to Lori Drew who hooked me up with a ride with a super nice fellow from PCNC, Bayani; many thanks Bayani! The banquet food was something I'm unable to compare easily as to the awfulness compared to any past Fun Rally. The Plaza buffets were generally decent in the past, even used to get a bottle of red and white wine on each table, but something definitely went amiss this year. As I was seated at a table with Terry Himes (Mars' space scientist) and friends, the best way to describe the salmon was freeze dried and suitable (almost) as astronaut food. The water was undrinkable, maybe tainted with some alien creatures, toxic chemicals, or poisoned purposefully so people would buy liquor during the banquet. Dessert, can't comment, didn't try. The raffle... well that's yet another story! I've been the one in the past who once had the job of recruiting prizes for months, organizing the displays, getting everything to Vegas, and then announcing the prizes at the dinner and I vividly recall being reprimanded for how long it took to disseminate prizes at the banquet ... BUT...in good fairness to me, i took a fraction of what happened this year.. which was in ponderous tortoise-like, multi-hours long, motion, so much to the fact that I literally made up for the previous two nights of lost sleep. I mean really, for hundreds of prizes from a few really nice car related, down to insignificant, and each prize announced in humorous but mostly painful detail ... down to a slew of t-shirts, one by one... and then waiting for the comatose winner to notice or be nudged awake that he or she'd won and then have to walk what seemed like 3 blocks to the podium to claim the prize... Good Lord! And I don't blame the presenter as I know what a difficult and commendable job this is.. it's the SYSTEM, not the person! I know many of you like to poke fun at the Corvette Clan but .... the way they've done raffles, at least the National ones, is to post a list of winning tickets #s and during the event, people go over periodically to see if they won, and get the prize from those in charge. Or those so inclined can stay at the prize area and watch the tickets being drawn. All the contributors are posted in advance and the donors are thanked and acknowledged on banners, signs, visuals, business cards, etc. There's always music and dancing and some sort of entertainment. We used to have music, karaoke, and entertainment. What happened??? So in conclusion, I like both the old (forum) and the new (POCA) and hope that people will be more cordial and appreciative of the efforts of Michael and those who work for us. Again much gratitude to Kurt and all involved for the Forum being alive and well. I am not in favor of the fact though that I very recently got a malicious malware bug that caused me to wipe out my entire computer... and start over, not saying it was from here.. BUT I've never had that problem before and I did have an excellent Internet security program installed. So I write with hopes that the risks are not found here! Can't leave without a big hello to Nathan of the North. Always great to hear from you and see your uplifting greetings. And to Bob Levitt...hope you remember me as I was out there on the Santa Monica pier to take pictures of you and your son upon your take off for the Gumball Cross Country race way back when. Still have them saved somewhere and they were on my former POCA album. Btw where are those albums? OK.... off and running and just might see lots of you at Pantera Palooza! Cheerio, Laurie _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Did you mean "Nolan of the North"? aka Nolan Scheid __________________________________________________________________ From: Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 2:14 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] Laurie's vision of current topics (be warned ... long and tedious) Hello out there in Pantera Email Forum Land. Huge thanks to Kurt as I am another who has always loved our communication in this way. For anyone who might be confused, just to be clear, I'm Laurie Basile/ aka Laurie Ferrari on here as that's my email name. I'm one in the same in case you are looking up any of my old postings in the archives, which I don't advise. I have some of my own thoughts on the new status of POCA. While there's no question that a stock, unmodified, unmolested Pantera is a rare and specially revered item, however the Pantera Club (POCA) and its Website is not to be confused with that same logic. The Club has needed modifications for far too long, most notably reconsideration of modernization and efforts to offer more to the members, and the opening of paths that were forever encumbered with roadblocks. I think the main beef of the many members/lurkers who have been complaining of late is due to the possible loss of the email forum. Yes? Or, some perhaps are not used to the no nonsense, energetic, assertive, personality of Michael Shortt. Well, as board meetings have been open to members I must say I was truly shocked at the rude and unprofessional demeanor of some of the oldest of Board Members. And those on here who are seeking fault and trying to paint a negative picture of the new direction of POCA, I say, if any of you are so touchy and hypersensitive, you'd not have been able to tolerate the myriads of posted comments through the years that could be considered the most non politically correct on here and greatest examples of taunts and tongue in cheek comments on everything from gayness, to racial and political insults, or the worst (personally offensive) the wing modifications on GT5 Panteras. ... Come on folks. What I see that is happening is that Mike Shortt's vision and those of the progressive Board members is one that many have begged for. That being one of a more professionally represented, respectable club (except for our more private, less respectable ramblings on here) one that's more of a Class Act rather than a knitting party, and more representative of the rarity and beauty of our cars, the wealth of knowledge and expertise of our members, and the generosity, helpfulness, and camaraderie of our people. I'd say Michael sees and is enacting, remember....with Board and Chapter Representative approval, a vision of the possibilities and potential of our organization to be more transparent as to the inner workings of major POCA decisions. Those in the know can not argue about the fact that this has been something sorely lacking in the past with regard to political issues, election fairness, and finances, i.e. comparative shopping for our needs, insurance, printing and so on. For the few to make suggestions or even comments that Mr. Shortt is a bigot or the usual gay comments from the peanut gallery.... shame on you! Those comments are just as untrue and inappropriate as they've ever been on here. But we grin and bare it and realize any such past comments would never be posted if serious. Or those who make such comments can look up the definition of "Psychological transference." I personally think a "Thank You" is far more appropriate for all the time, effort, and changes Michael is trying to implement! When the word went out that races were wanted at the Fun Rally, the first thing I recall he did was make contact and plans for such. It's ridiculous and unacceptable for anyone to be rude and insulting to those doing their best to help us have a better organization. I recently renewed my membership which I feel would be great if it was reduced a bit in cost (as it used to be) as I'd like the option to get only the "Profiles Magazine" in print form.. the Newsletter is perfectly suited for an online reference... (again, my opinion) and which I seem to hear would save the club something like $26,000 a year. On our new POCA Website I am able to look up old articles in Profiles... especially enjoy the ease of being able to find ones about my car and me, issue 2010 #1, and my SSCC synopsis, in 2000, #3. That's a whole lot easier than searching my own computer room and closet filled with years old multi-curricular lesson plans and old publications from POCA, and three other car clubs. I really love the idea of these publications being available ON LINE; it is quite modern and convenient. Insofar as the survey regarding POCA's Fun Rally...As always there were goods and not so goods. The good, naturally, is getting to see and socialize with old friends and meet new ones. The bad is that the Plaza remains to be, not the most appealing of choices. I don't know about the new furnishings but I do know that the entire floor where the hospitality and banquet was held was covered in sheets over the construction and warnings of potential injury....I kind of felt early on that it'd be a good idea, as a few others, to opt to stay at the Golden Nugget. It's right across the street and very nice! As usual though, at our event, the hospitality room opportunity with all the Club stores was and is always great. The sessions, especially Scott Mead's photography session was more than excellent. The run to Mt. Charles was beautiful. I didn't have a car there so I was so grateful to Lori Drew who hooked me up with a ride with a super nice fellow from PCNC, Bayani; many thanks Bayani! The banquet food was something I'm unable to compare easily as to the awfulness compared to any past Fun Rally. The Plaza buffets were generally decent in the past, even used to get a bottle of red and white wine on each table, but something definitely went amiss this year. As I was seated at a table with Terry Himes (Mars' space scientist) and friends, the best way to describe the salmon was freeze dried and suitable (almost) as astronaut food. The water was undrinkable, maybe tainted with some alien creatures, toxic chemicals, or poisoned purposefully so people would buy liquor during the banquet. Dessert, can't comment, didn't try. The raffle... well that's yet another story! I've been the one in the past who once had the job of recruiting prizes for months, organizing the displays, getting everything to Vegas, and then announcing the prizes at the dinner and I vividly recall being reprimanded for how long it took to disseminate prizes at the banquet ... BUT...in good fairness to me, i took a fraction of what happened this year.. which was in ponderous tortoise-like, multi-hours long, motion, so much to the fact that I literally made up for the previous two nights of lost sleep. I mean really, for hundreds of prizes from a few really nice car related, down to insignificant, and each prize announced in humorous but mostly painful detail ... down to a slew of t-shirts, one by one... and then waiting for the comatose winner to notice or be nudged awake that he or she'd won and then have to walk what seemed like 3 blocks to the podium to claim the prize... Good Lord! And I don't blame the presenter as I know what a difficult and commendable job this is.. it's the SYSTEM, not the person! I know many of you like to poke fun at the Corvette Clan but .... the way they've done raffles, at least the National ones, is to post a list of winning tickets #s and during the event, people go over periodically to see if they won, and get the prize from those in charge. Or those so inclined can stay at the prize area and watch the tickets being drawn. All the contributors are posted in advance and the donors are thanked and acknowledged on banners, signs, visuals, business cards, etc. There's always music and dancing and some sort of entertainment. We used to have music, karaoke, and entertainment. What happened??? So in conclusion, I like both the old (forum) and the new (POCA) and hope that people will be more cordial and appreciative of the efforts of Michael and those who work for us. Again much gratitude to Kurt and all involved for the Forum being alive and well. I am not in favor of the fact though that I very recently got a malicious malware bug that caused me to wipe out my entire computer... and start over, not saying it was from here.. BUT I've never had that problem before and I did have an excellent Internet security program installed. So I write with hopes that the risks are not found here! Can't leave without a big hello to Nathan of the North. Always great to hear from you and see your uplifting greetings. And to Bob Levitt...hope you remember me as I was out there on the Santa Monica pier to take pictures of you and your son upon your take off for the Gumball Cross Country race way back when. Still have them saved somewhere and they were on my former POCA album. Btw where are those albums? OK.... off and running and just might see lots of you at Pantera Palooza! Cheerio, Laurie _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [1]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
Thank you so much for saying it so eloquently! Laurie's point of you is well laid out and she is a Pantera owner for years and years and a member of POCA for the same! I would like to agree with her proposed method of awarding the prizes as well. Other car shows do it the same way by posting winners ticket numbers and no one falls asleep. My husband ushered me out of the room halfway through. Although Mike Burnett had a great sense of humor while presenting the awards, after an hour or so, Robert could no longer stay awake. The food was not good, I agree, but that's not the organizers' fault, they did the best they could to give all all of us a good time. I would like to suggest that we have better organized run events next year, with maps, a front leader, a middle leader and a tail leader for those who were not able to make the traffic lights, like we offered when we hosted in San Diego 2 years ago. I think we all learned things from this experience and corrections/improvements will be made for next year's rally. No matter what, I hope to see mailings of the Profiles since my husband and others maybe, don't do email. Always remaining members of our POCA club, always! Sent from Effie's iPad
On May 30, 2016, at 2:14 AM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Hello out there in Pantera Email Forum Land. Huge thanks to Kurt as I am another who has always loved our communication in this way. For anyone who might be confused, just to be clear, I'm Laurie Basile/ aka Laurie Ferrari on here as that's my email name. I'm one in the same in case you are looking up any of my old postings in the archives, which I don't advise. I have some of my own thoughts on the new status of POCA. While there's no question that a stock, unmodified, unmolested Pantera is a rare and specially revered item, however the Pantera Club (POCA) and its Website is not to be confused with that same logic. The Club has needed modifications for far too long, most notably reconsideration of modernization and efforts to offer more to the members, and the opening of paths that were forever encumbered with roadblocks. I think the main beef of the many members/lurkers who have been complaining of late is due to the possible loss of the email forum. Yes? Or, some perhaps are not used to the no nonsense, energetic, assertive, personality of Michael Shortt. Well, as board meetings have been open to members I must say I was truly shocked at the rude and unprofessional demeanor of some of the oldest of Board Members. And those on here who are seeking fault and trying to paint a negative picture of the new direction of POCA, I say, if any of you are so touchy and hypersensitive, you'd not have been able to tolerate the myriads of posted comments through the years that could be considered the most non politically correct on here and greatest examples of taunts and tongue in cheek comments on everything from gayness, to racial and political insults, or the worst (personally offensive) the wing modifications on GT5 Panteras. ... Come on folks. What I see that is happening is that Mike Shortt's vision and those of the progressive Board members is one that many have begged for. That being one of a more professionally represented, respectable club (except for our more private, less respectable ramblings on here) one that's more of a Class Act rather than a knitting party, and more representative of the rarity and beauty of our cars, the wealth of knowledge and expertise of our members, and the generosity, helpfulness, and camaraderie of our people. I'd say Michael sees and is enacting, remember....with Board and Chapter Representative approval, a vision of the possibilities and potential of our organization to be more transparent as to the inner workings of major POCA decisions. Those in the know can not argue about the fact that this has been something sorely lacking in the past with regard to political issues, election fairness, and finances, i.e. comparative shopping for our needs, insurance, printing and so on. For the few to make suggestions or even comments that Mr. Shortt is a bigot or the usual gay comments from the peanut gallery.... shame on you! Those comments are just as untrue and inappropriate as they've ever been on here. But we grin and bare it and realize any such past comments would never be posted if serious. Or those who make such comments can look up the definition of "Psychological transference." I personally think a "Thank You" is far more appropriate for all the time, effort, and changes Michael is trying to implement! When the word went out that races were wanted at the Fun Rally, the first thing I recall he did was make contact and plans for such. It's ridiculous and unacceptable for anyone to be rude and insulting to those doing their best to help us have a better organization. I recently renewed my membership which I feel would be great if it was reduced a bit in cost (as it used to be) as I'd like the option to get only the "Profiles Magazine" in print form.. the Newsletter is perfectly suited for an online reference... (again, my opinion) and which I seem to hear would save the club something like $26,000 a year. On our new POCA Website I am able to look up old articles in Profiles... especially enjoy the ease of being able to find ones about my car and me, issue 2010 #1, and my SSCC synopsis, in 2000, #3. That's a whole lot easier than searching my own computer room and closet filled with years old multi-curricular lesson plans and old publications from POCA, and three other car clubs. I really love the idea of these publications being available ON LINE; it is quite modern and convenient. Insofar as the survey regarding POCA's Fun Rally...As always there were goods and not so goods. The good, naturally, is getting to see and socialize with old friends and meet new ones. The bad is that the Plaza remains to be, not the most appealing of choices. I don't know about the new furnishings but I do know that the entire floor where the hospitality and banquet was held was covered in sheets over the construction and warnings of potential injury....I kind of felt early on that it'd be a good idea, as a few others, to opt to stay at the Golden Nugget. It's right across the street and very nice! As usual though, at our event, the hospitality room opportunity with all the Club stores was and is always great. The sessions, especially Scott Mead's photography session was more than excellent. The run to Mt. Charles was beautiful. I didn't have a car there so I was so grateful to Lori Drew who hooked me up with a ride with a super nice fellow from PCNC, Bayani; many thanks Bayani! The banquet food was something I'm unable to compare easily as to the awfulness compared to any past Fun Rally. The Plaza buffets were generally decent in the past, even used to get a bottle of red and white wine on each table, but something definitely went amiss this year. As I was seated at a table with Terry Himes (Mars' space scientist) and friends, the best way to describe the salmon was freeze dried and suitable (almost) as astronaut food. The water was undrinkable, maybe tainted with some alien creatures, toxic chemicals, or poisoned purposefully so people would buy liquor during the banquet. Dessert, can't comment, didn't try. The raffle... well that's yet another story! I've been the one in the past who once had the job of recruiting prizes for months, organizing the displays, getting everything to Vegas, and then announcing the prizes at the dinner and I vividly recall being reprimanded for how long it took to disseminate prizes at the banquet ... BUT...in good fairness to me, i took a fraction of what happened this year.. which was in ponderous tortoise-like, multi-hours long, motion, so much to the fact that I literally made up for the previous two nights of lost sleep. I mean really, for hundreds of prizes from a few really nice car related, down to insignificant, and each prize announced in humorous but mostly painful detail ... down to a slew of t-shirts, one by one... and then waiting for the comatose winner to notice or be nudged awake that he or she'd won and then have to walk what seemed like 3 blocks to the podium to claim the prize... Good Lord! And I don't blame the presenter as I know what a difficult and commendable job this is.. it's the SYSTEM, not the person! I know many of you like to poke fun at the Corvette Clan but .... the way they've done raffles, at least the National ones, is to post a list of winning tickets #s and during the event, people go over periodically to see if they won, and get the prize from those in charge. Or those so inclined can stay at the prize area and watch the tickets being drawn. All the contributors are posted in advance and the donors are thanked and acknowledged on banners, signs, visuals, business cards, etc. There's always music and dancing and some sort of entertainment. We used to have music, karaoke, and entertainment. What happened??? So in conclusion, I like both the old (forum) and the new (POCA) and hope that people will be more cordial and appreciative of the efforts of Michael and those who work for us. Again much gratitude to Kurt and all involved for the Forum being alive and well. I am not in favor of the fact though that I very recently got a malicious malware bug that caused me to wipe out my entire computer... and start over, not saying it was from here.. BUT I've never had that problem before and I did have an excellent Internet security program installed. So I write with hopes that the risks are not found here! Can't leave without a big hello to Nathan of the North. Always great to hear from you and see your uplifting greetings. And to Bob Levitt...hope you remember me as I was out there on the Santa Monica pier to take pictures of you and your son upon your take off for the Gumball Cross Country race way back when. Still have them saved somewhere and they were on my former POCA album. Btw where are those albums? OK.... off and running and just might see lots of you at Pantera Palooza! Cheerio, Laurie _______________________________________________
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Good evening ladies and everyone else on the forum, I would like to express some thoughts about the raffle during this past Fun Rally. As Vice President of POCA it is my responsibility to do many things as a Board member, but also be the Raffle Master at the Fun Rally. In reply to Laurie and Effie's postings, I agree that the raffle has considerable room for improvement. And even though this was my first POCA Raffle, I have been apart of many Car Shows and other big motor car related events that included a raffle, but didn't want to reinvent the proverbial wheel by changing anything about the way past POCA raffles have been run. As it turns out, there were quite a few things that could have helped make it run smoother. On the one hand I am proud that through my efforts in dealing with our vendors and my wife Chrissy spending four months hitting crafts fairs and sales ( her budget from POCA was challenging) and through the generosity of our vendors and many others, we were able to have almost $9,000.00 worth of raffle prizes. Unfortunately, if you were there, not many of the prizes were bigger ticket in value, instead averaging $25.00 to $40.00 including over 40 T-shirts on top of that. We did have a good showing of bigger value items in the $200.00 to $530.00 valuations. Even with a strong showing of raffle prizes and with lots of help from Chrissy, Joe Stockstt ( our POCA Secretary) Ed Mendez ( our POCA PR and Advertising lead) and even Michael Shortt ( our POCA President) and myself, the raffle went almost an hour and a half in a hot room (no air conditioning) after a full day, banquet and cocktails. In spite of all our efforts to move things along....I'm sure it seemed like the raffle that would never end! So, I will present a new plan for the Fun Rally Raffle to the POCA Board at our July meeting. It will include having a general raffle where tickets will be drawn hourly all day Saturday with winning numbers posted. Proposing to the Board that we use seed money from POCA to purchase not only some big ticket prizes ( TV, Blu-ray player and maybe a trip to harbor freight for useful tools gauges, etc. that we all could use) but maybe some other items of interest like gift cards ( of real value) or even plane tickets??? Who knows, it is all on the table and I am asking for all of you to give me some input with your ideas. Thanks, Mike Burnett VP POCA -----Original Message----- From: Effie Richards <erichards@zogob.sdcoxmail.com> To: laurieferrari laurieferrari@aol.com who Cc: detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; detomaso <detomaso@poca.com> Sent: Mon, May 30, 2016 5:21 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Laurie's vision of current topics (be warned ... long and tedious) Thank you so much for saying it so eloquently! Laurie's point of you is well laid out and she is a Pantera owner for years and years and a member of POCA for the same! I would like to agree with her proposed method of awarding the prizes as well. Other car shows do it the same way by posting winners ticket numbers and no one falls asleep. My husband ushered me out of the room halfway through. Although Mike Burnett had a great sense of humor while presenting the awards, after an hour or so, Robert could no longer stay awake. The food was not good, I agree, but that's not the organizers' fault, they did the best they could to give all all of us a good time. I would like to suggest that we have better organized run events next year, with maps, a front leader, a middle leader and a tail leader for those who were not able to make the traffic lights, like we offered when we hosted in San Diego 2 years ago. I think we all learned things from this experience and corrections/improvements will be made for next year's rally. No matter what, I hope to see mailings of the Profiles since my husband and others maybe, don't do email. Always remaining members of our POCA club, always! Sent from Effie's iPad
On May 30, 2016, at 2:14 AM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Hello out there in Pantera Email Forum Land. Huge thanks to Kurt as I am another who has always loved our communication in this way. For anyone who might be confused, just to be clear, I'm Laurie Basile/ aka Laurie Ferrari on here as that's my email name. I'm one in the same in case you are looking up any of my old postings in the archives, which I don't advise. I have some of my own thoughts on the new status of POCA. While there's no question that a stock, unmodified, unmolested Pantera is a rare and specially revered item, however the Pantera Club (POCA) and its Website is not to be confused with that same logic. The Club has needed modifications for far too long, most notably reconsideration of modernization and efforts to offer more to the members, and the opening of paths that were forever encumbered with roadblocks. I think the main beef of the many members/lurkers who have been complaining of late is due to the possible loss of the email forum. Yes? Or, some perhaps are not used to the no nonsense, energetic, assertive, personality of Michael Shortt. Well, as board meetings have been open to members I must say I was truly shocked at the rude and unprofessional demeanor of some of the oldest of Board Members. And those on here who are seeking fault and trying to paint a negative picture of the new direction of POCA, I say, if any of you are so touchy and hypersensitive, you'd not have been able to tolerate the myriads of posted comments through the years that could be considered the most non politically correct on here and greatest examples of taunts and tongue in cheek comments on everything from gayness, to racial and political insults, or the worst (personally offensive) the wing modifications on GT5 Panteras. ... Come on folks. What I see that is happening is that Mike Shortt's vision and those of the progressive Board members is one that many have begged for. That being one of a more professionally represented, respectable club (except for our more private, less respectable ramblings on here) one that's more of a Class Act rather than a knitting party, and more representative of the rarity and beauty of our cars, the wealth of knowledge and expertise of our members, and the generosity, helpfulness, and camaraderie of our people. I'd say Michael sees and is enacting, remember....with Board and Chapter Representative approval, a vision of the possibilities and potential of our organization to be more transparent as to the inner workings of major POCA decisions. Those in the know can not argue about the fact that this has been something sorely lacking in the past with regard to political issues, election fairness, and finances, i.e. comparative shopping for our needs, insurance, printing and so on. For the few to make suggestions or even comments that Mr. Shortt is a bigot or the usual gay comments from the peanut gallery.... shame on you! Those comments are just as untrue and inappropriate as they've ever been on here. But we grin and bare it and realize any such past comments would never be posted if serious. Or those who make such comments can look up the definition of "Psychological transference." I personally think a "Thank You" is far more appropriate for all the time, effort, and changes Michael is trying to implement! When the word went out that races were wanted at the Fun Rally, the first thing I recall he did was make contact and plans for such. It's ridiculous and unacceptable for anyone to be rude and insulting to those doing their best to help us have a better organization. I recently renewed my membership which I feel would be great if it was reduced a bit in cost (as it used to be) as I'd like the option to get only the "Profiles Magazine" in print form.. the Newsletter is perfectly suited for an online reference... (again, my opinion) and which I seem to hear would save the club something like $26,000 a year. On our new POCA Website I am able to look up old articles in Profiles... especially enjoy the ease of being able to find ones about my car and me, issue 2010 #1, and my SSCC synopsis, in 2000, #3. That's a whole lot easier than searching my own computer room and closet filled with years old multi-curricular lesson plans and old publications from POCA, and three other car clubs. I really love the idea of these publications being available ON LINE; it is quite modern and convenient. Insofar as the survey regarding POCA's Fun Rally...As always there were goods and not so goods. The good, naturally, is getting to see and socialize with old friends and meet new ones. The bad is that the Plaza remains to be, not the most appealing of choices. I don't know about the new furnishings but I do know that the entire floor where the hospitality and banquet was held was covered in sheets over the construction and warnings of potential injury....I kind of felt early on that it'd be a good idea, as a few others, to opt to stay at the Golden Nugget. It's right across the street and very nice! As usual though, at our event, the hospitality room opportunity with all the Club stores was and is always great. The sessions, especially Scott Mead's photography session was more than excellent. The run to Mt. Charles was beautiful. I didn't have a car there so I was so grateful to Lori Drew who hooked me up with a ride with a super nice fellow from PCNC, Bayani; many thanks Bayani! The banquet food was something I'm unable to compare easily as to the awfulness compared to any past Fun Rally. The Plaza buffets were generally decent in the past, even used to get a bottle of red and white wine on each table, but something definitely went amiss this year. As I was seated at a table with Terry Himes (Mars' space scientist) and friends, the best way to describe the salmon was freeze dried and suitable (almost) as astronaut food. The water was undrinkable, maybe tainted with some alien creatures, toxic chemicals, or poisoned purposefully so people would buy liquor during the banquet. Dessert, can't comment, didn't try. The raffle... well that's yet another story! I've been the one in the past who once had the job of recruiting prizes for months, organizing the displays, getting everything to Vegas, and then announcing the prizes at the dinner and I vividly recall being reprimanded for how long it took to disseminate prizes at the banquet ... BUT...in good fairness to me, i took a fraction of what happened this year.. which was in ponderous tortoise-like, multi-hours long, motion, so much to the fact that I literally made up for the previous two nights of lost sleep. I mean really, for hundreds of prizes from a few really nice car related, down to insignificant, and each prize announced in humorous but mostly painful detail ... down to a slew of t-shirts, one by one... and then waiting for the comatose winner to notice or be nudged awake that he or she'd won and then have to walk what seemed like 3 blocks to the podium to claim the prize... Good Lord! And I don't blame the presenter as I know what a difficult and commendable job this is.. it's the SYSTEM, not the person! I know many of you like to poke fun at the Corvette Clan but .... the way they've done raffles, at least the National ones, is to post a list of winning tickets #s and during the event, people go over periodically to see if they won, and get the prize from those in charge. Or those so inclined can stay at the prize area and watch the tickets being drawn. All the contributors are posted in advance and the donors are thanked and acknowledged on banners, signs, visuals, business cards, etc. There's always music and dancing and some sort of entertainment. We used to have music, karaoke, and entertainment. What happened??? So in conclusion, I like both the old (forum) and the new (POCA) and hope that people will be more cordial and appreciative of the efforts of Michael and those who work for us. Again much gratitude to Kurt and all involved for the Forum being alive and well. I am not in favor of the fact though that I very recently got a malicious malware bug that caused me to wipe out my entire computer... and start over, not saying it was from here.. BUT I've never had that problem before and I did have an excellent Internet security program installed. So I write with hopes that the risks are not found here! Can't leave without a big hello to Nathan of the North. Always great to hear from you and see your uplifting greetings. And to Bob Levitt...hope you remember me as I was out there on the Santa Monica pier to take pictures of you and your son upon your take off for the Gumball Cross Country race way back when. Still have them saved somewhere and they were on my former POCA album. Btw where are those albums? OK.... off and running and just might see lots of you at Pantera Palooza! Cheerio, Laurie _______________________________________________
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On May 30, 2016, at 2:14 AM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Hello out there in Pantera Email Forum Land. Huge thanks to Kurt as I am another who has always loved our communication in this way. For anyone who might be confused, just to be clear, I'm Laurie Basile/ aka Laurie Ferrari on here as that's my email name. I'm one in the same in case you are looking up any of my old postings in the archives, which I don't advise. I have some of my own thoughts on the new status of POCA. While there's no question that a stock, unmodified, unmolested Pantera is a rare and specially revered item, however the Pantera Club (POCA) and its Website is not to be confused with that same logic. The Club has needed modifications for far too long, most notably reconsideration of modernization and efforts to offer more to the members, and the opening of paths that were forever encumbered with roadblocks. I think the main beef of the many members/lurkers who have been complaining of late is due to the possible loss of the email forum. Yes? Or, some perhaps are not used to the no nonsense, energetic, assertive, personality of Michael Shortt. Well, as board meetings have been open to members I must say I was truly shocked at the rude and unprofessional demeanor of some of the oldest of Board Members. And those on here who are seeking fault and trying to paint a negative picture of the new direction of POCA, I say, if any of you are so touchy and hypersensitive, you'd not have been able to tolerate
myriads of posted comments through the years that could be considered the most non politically correct on here and greatest examples of taunts and tongue in cheek comments on everything from gayness, to racial and political insults, or the worst (personally offensive) the wing modifications on GT5 Panteras. ... Come on folks. What I see that is happening is that Mike Shortt's vision and those of the progressive Board members is one that many have begged for. That being one of a more professionally represented, respectable club (except for our more private, less respectable ramblings on here) one that's more of a Class Act rather than a knitting party, and more representative of the rarity and beauty of our cars, the wealth of knowledge and expertise of our members, and the generosity, helpfulness, and camaraderie of our people. I'd say Michael sees and is enacting, remember....with Board and Chapter Representative approval, a vision of the possibilities and potential of our organization to be more transparent as to the inner workings of major POCA decisions. Those in the know can not argue about the fact that this has been something sorely lacking in the past with regard to political issues, election fairness, and finances, i.e. comparative shopping for our needs, insurance, printing and so on. For the few to make suggestions or even comments that Mr. Shortt is a bigot or the usual gay comments from the peanut gallery.... shame on you! Those comments are just as untrue and inappropriate as
ever been on here. But we grin and bare it and realize any such past comments would never be posted if serious. Or those who make such comments can look up the definition of "Psychological transference." I personally think a "Thank You" is far more appropriate for all the time, effort, and changes Michael is trying to implement! When the word went out that races were wanted at the Fun Rally, the first thing I recall he did was make contact and plans for such. It's ridiculous and unacceptable for anyone to be rude and insulting to those doing their best to help us have a better organization. I recently renewed my membership which I feel would be great if it was reduced a bit in cost (as it used to be) as I'd like the option to get only the "Profiles Magazine" in print form.. the Newsletter is perfectly suited for an online reference... (again, my opinion) and which I seem to hear would save the club something like $26,000 a year. On our new POCA Website I am able to look up old articles in Profiles... especially enjoy the ease of being able to find ones about my car and me, issue 2010 #1, and my SSCC synopsis, in 2000, #3. That's a whole lot easier than searching my own computer room and closet filled with years old multi-curricular lesson plans and old publications from POCA, and three other car clubs. I really love the idea of these publications being available ON LINE; it is quite modern and convenient. Insofar as the survey regarding POCA's Fun Rally...As always there were goods and not so goods. The good, naturally, is getting to see and socialize with old friends and meet new ones. The bad is that the Plaza remains to be, not the most appealing of choices. I don't know about the new furnishings but I do know that the entire floor where the hospitality and banquet was held was covered in sheets over the construction and warnings of potential injury....I kind of felt early on that it'd be a good idea, as a few others, to opt to stay at the Golden Nugget. It's right across the street and very nice! As usual though, at our event, the hospitality room opportunity with all the Club stores was and is always great. The sessions, especially Scott Mead's photography session was more than excellent. The run to Mt. Charles was beautiful. I didn't have a car there so I was so grateful to Lori Drew who hooked me up with a ride with a super nice fellow from PCNC, Bayani; many thanks Bayani! The banquet food was something I'm unable to compare easily as to the awfulness compared to any past Fun Rally. The Plaza buffets were generally decent in the past, even used to get a bottle of red and white wine on each table, but something definitely went amiss this year. As I was seated at a table with Terry Himes (Mars' space scientist) and friends, the best way to describe
salmon was freeze dried and suitable (almost) as astronaut food. The water was undrinkable, maybe tainted with some alien creatures, toxic chemicals, or poisoned purposefully so people would buy liquor during the banquet. Dessert, can't comment, didn't try. The raffle... well that's yet another story! I've been the one in the past who once had the job of recruiting prizes for months, organizing the displays, getting everything to Vegas, and then announcing the prizes at the dinner and I vividly recall being reprimanded for how long it took to disseminate prizes at the banquet ... BUT...in good fairness to me, i took a fraction of what happened this year.. which was in ponderous tortoise-like, multi-hours long, motion, so much to the fact that I literally made up for the previous two nights of lost sleep. I mean really, for hundreds of prizes from a few really nice car related, down to insignificant, and each prize announced in humorous but mostly painful detail ... down to a slew of t-shirts, one by one... and then waiting for the comatose winner to notice or be nudged awake that he or she'd won and then have to walk what seemed like 3 blocks to the
to claim the prize... Good Lord! And I don't blame the presenter as I know what a difficult and commendable job this is.. it's the SYSTEM, not the person! I know many of you like to poke fun at the Corvette Clan but .... the way they've done raffles, at least the National ones, is to post a list of winning tickets #s and during the event, people go over periodically to see if they won, and get the prize from those in charge. Or those so inclined can stay at the prize area and watch the tickets being drawn. All the contributors are posted in advance and the donors are thanked and acknowledged on banners, signs, visuals, business cards, etc. There's always music and dancing and some sort of entertainment. We used to have music, karaoke, and entertainment. What happened??? So in conclusion, I like both the old (forum) and the new (POCA) and hope that people will be more cordial and appreciative of the efforts of Michael and those who work for us. Again much gratitude to Kurt and all involved for the Forum being alive and well. I am not in favor of the fact though that I very recently got a malicious malware bug that caused me to wipe out my entire computer... and start over, not saying it was from here.. BUT I've never had that problem before and I did have an excellent Internet security program installed. So I write with hopes that the risks are not found here! Can't leave without a big hello to Nathan of the North. Always great to hear from you and see your uplifting greetings. And to Bob Levitt...hope you remember me as I was out there on the Santa Monica pier to take pictures of you and your son upon your take off for the Gumball Cross Country race way back when. Still have them saved somewhere and they were on my former POCA album. Btw where are those albums? OK.... off and running and just might see lots of you at Pantera Palooza! Cheerio, Laurie _______________________________________________
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_______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Good evening ladies and everyone else on the forum, I would like to express some thoughts about the raffle during this past Fun Rally. As Vice President of POCA it is my responsibility to do many things as a Board member, but also be the Raffle Master at the Fun Rally. In reply to Laurie and Effie's postings, I agree that the raffle has considerable room for improvement. And even though this was my first POCA Raffle, I have been apart of many Car Shows and other big motor car related events that included a raffle, but didn't want to reinvent the proverbial wheel by changing anything about the way past POCA raffles have been run. As it turns out, there were quite a few things that could have helped make it run smoother. On the one hand I am proud that through my efforts in dealing with our vendors and my wife Chrissy spending four months hitting crafts fairs and sales ( her budget from POCA was challenging) and through the generosity of our vendors and many others, we were able to have almost $9,000.00 worth of raffle prizes. Unfortunately, if you were there, not many of the prizes were bigger ticket in value, instead averaging $25.00 to $40.00 including over 40 T-shirts on top of that. We did have a good showing of bigger value items in the $200.00 to $530.00 valuations. Even with a strong showing of raffle prizes and with lots of help from Chrissy, Joe Stockstt ( our POCA Secretary) Ed Mendez ( our POCA PR and Advertising lead) and even Michael Shortt ( our POCA President) and myself, the raffle went almost an hour and a half in a hot room (no air conditioning) after a full day, banquet and cocktails. In spite of all our efforts to move things along....I'm sure it seemed like the raffle that would never end! So, I will present a new plan for the Fun Rally Raffle to the POCA Board at our July meeting. It will include having a general raffle where tickets will be drawn hourly all day Saturday with winning numbers posted. Proposing to the Board that we use seed money from POCA to purchase not only some big ticket prizes ( TV, Blu-ray player and maybe a trip to harbor freight for useful tools gauges, etc. that we all could use) but maybe some other items of interest like gift cards ( of real value) or even plane tickets??? Who knows, it is all on the table and I am asking for all of you to give me some input with your ideas. Thanks, Mike Burnett VP POCA -----Original Message----- From: Effie Richards <erichards@zogob.sdcoxmail.com> To: laurieferrari [1]laurieferrari@aol.com who Cc: detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; detomaso <detomaso@poca.com> Sent: Mon, May 30, 2016 5:21 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Laurie's vision of current topics (be warned ... long and tedious) Thank you so much for saying it so eloquently! Laurie's point of you is well laid out and she is a Pantera owner for years and years and a member of POCA for the same! I would like to agree with her proposed method of awarding the prizes as well. Other car shows do it the same way by posting winners ticket numbers and no one falls asleep. My husband ushered me out of the room halfway through. Although Mike Burnett had a great sense of humor while presenting the awards, after an hour or so, Robert could no longer stay awake. The food was not good, I agree, but that's not the organizers' fault, they did the best they could to give all all of us a good time. I would like to suggest that we have better organized run events next year, with maps, a front leader, a middle leader and a tail leader for those who were not able to make the traffic lights, like we offered when we hosted in San Diego 2 years ago. I think we all learned things from this experience and corrections/improvements will be made for next year's rally. No matter what, I hope to see mailings of the Profiles since my husband and others maybe, don't do email. Always remaining members of our POCA club, always! Sent from Effie's iPad the they've the podium list. 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Mike, First off, I want to reiterate that you did a fantastic job with the raffle and your sense of humor and beautiful assistant(!) added some great spirit to this task! So you are not being blamed at all! You followed the tradition and we ended up with way too many T-shirts to raffle! I believe Robert spent about $200 on raffle tickets, not for purpose of winning, but to support our club's treasury! So thank you and your assistants for a job well done! I personally like your suggestion for next year's raffle event and will leave in the hands of our board to fine tune and get it finalized! We all had comments about the event and personally speaking, not for criticism but for learning and improving going forward, I'm sure most will agree. Jack DeRyke's newsletter is amazing and I made sure to communicate that to Judy so she can share with Jack. I believe the majority of members and guests who were there enjoyed all the events, the POCA shops were great, seeing old friends and meeting new ones was my personal high light and Jay Leno's show was a very special event!... (Thank you Marshall and team). Our car was just fine tuned that week and we drove it and enjoyed the ride there and back tremendously! It will be so much better next year, wherever it may take place. When you have dates, please let us know to block it on our calendar! Especially if we have to fly there. Thank you again. Sent from Effie's iPad
On May 30, 2016, at 6:41 PM, mbglobalsc@aol.com wrote:
Good evening ladies and everyone else on the forum, I would like to express some thoughts about the raffle during this past Fun Rally.
As Vice President of POCA it is my responsibility to do many things as a Board member, but also be the Raffle Master at the Fun Rally.
In reply to Laurie and Effie's postings, I agree that the raffle has considerable room for improvement. And even though this was my first POCA Raffle, I have been apart of many Car Shows and other big motor car related events that included a raffle, but didn't want to reinvent the proverbial wheel by changing anything about the way past POCA raffles have been run. As it turns out, there were quite a few things that could have helped make it run smoother.
On the one hand I am proud that through my efforts in dealing with our vendors and my wife Chrissy spending four months hitting crafts fairs and sales ( her budget from POCA was challenging) and through the generosity of our vendors and many others, we were able to have almost $9,000.00 worth of raffle prizes. Unfortunately, if you were there, not many of the prizes were bigger ticket in value, instead averaging $25.00 to $40.00 including over 40 T-shirts on top of that. We did have a good showing of bigger value items in the $200.00 to $530.00 valuations.
Even with a strong showing of raffle prizes and with lots of help from Chrissy, Joe Stockstt ( our POCA Secretary) Ed Mendez ( our POCA PR and Advertising lead) and even Michael Shortt ( our POCA President) and myself, the raffle went almost an hour and a half in a hot room (no air conditioning) after a full day, banquet and cocktails.
In spite of all our efforts to move things along....I'm sure it seemed like the raffle that would never end!
So, I will present a new plan for the Fun Rally Raffle to the POCA Board at our July meeting. It will include having a general raffle where tickets will be drawn hourly all day Saturday with winning numbers posted. Proposing to the Board that we use seed money from POCA to purchase not only some big ticket prizes ( TV, Blu-ray player and maybe a trip to harbor freight for useful tools gauges, etc. that we all could use) but maybe some other items of interest like gift cards ( of real value) or even plane tickets???
Who knows, it is all on the table and I am asking for all of you to give me some input with your ideas.
Thanks,
Mike Burnett VP POCA
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Thank you so much for saying it so eloquently! Laurie's point of you is well laid out and she is a Pantera owner for years and years and a member of POCA for the same! I would like to agree with her proposed method of awarding the prizes as well. Other car shows do it the same way by posting winners ticket numbers and no one falls asleep. My husband ushered me out of the room halfway through. Although Mike Burnett had a great sense of humor while presenting the awards, after an hour or so, Robert could no longer stay awake. The food was not good, I agree, but that's not the organizers' fault, they did the best they could to give all all of us a good time. I would like to suggest that we have better organized run events next year, with maps, a front leader, a middle leader and a tail leader for those who were not able to make the traffic lights, like we offered when we hosted in San Diego 2 years ago. I think we all learned things from this experience and corrections/improvements will be made for next year's rally. No matter what, I hope to see mailings of the Profiles since my husband and others maybe, don't do email. Always remaining members of our POCA club, always!
Sent from Effie's iPad
On May 30, 2016, at 2:14 AM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Hello out there in Pantera Email Forum Land. Huge thanks to Kurt as I am another who has always loved our communication in this way. For anyone who might be confused, just to be clear, I'm Laurie Basile/ aka Laurie Ferrari on here as that's my email name. I'm one in the same in case you are looking up any of my old postings in the archives, which I don't advise. I have some of my own thoughts on the new status of POCA. While there's no question that a stock, unmodified, unmolested Pantera is a rare and specially revered item, however the Pantera Club (POCA) and its Website is not to be confused with that same logic. The Club has needed modifications for far too long, most notably reconsideration of modernization and efforts to offer more to the members, and the opening of paths that were forever encumbered with roadblocks. I think the main beef of the many members/lurkers who have been complaining of late is due to the possible loss of the email forum. Yes? Or, some perhaps are not used to the no nonsense, energetic, assertive, personality of Michael Shortt. Well, as board meetings have been open to members I must say I was truly shocked at the rude and unprofessional demeanor of some of the oldest of Board Members. And those on here who are seeking fault and trying to paint a negative picture of the new direction of POCA, I say, if any of you are so touchy and hypersensitive, you'd not have been able to tolerate the myriads of posted comments through the years that could be considered the most non politically correct on here and greatest examples of taunts and tongue in cheek comments on everything from gayness, to racial and political insults, or the worst (personally offensive) the wing modifications on GT5 Panteras. ... Come on folks. What I see that is happening is that Mike Shortt's vision and those of the progressive Board members is one that many have begged for. That being one of a more professionally represented, respectable club (except for our more private, less respectable ramblings on here) one that's more of a Class Act rather than a knitting party, and more representative of the rarity and beauty of our cars, the wealth of knowledge and expertise of our members, and the generosity, helpfulness, and camaraderie of our people. I'd say Michael sees and is enacting, remember....with Board and Chapter Representative approval, a vision of the possibilities and potential of our organization to be more transparent as to the inner workings of major POCA decisions. Those in the know can not argue about the fact that this has been something sorely lacking in the past with regard to political issues, election fairness, and finances, i.e. comparative shopping for our needs, insurance, printing and so on. For the few to make suggestions or even comments that Mr. Shortt is a bigot or the usual gay comments from the peanut gallery.... shame on you! Those comments are just as untrue and inappropriate as they've ever been on here. But we grin and bare it and realize any such past comments would never be posted if serious. Or those who make such comments can look up the definition of "Psychological transference." I personally think a "Thank You" is far more appropriate for all the time, effort, and changes Michael is trying to implement! When the word went out that races were wanted at the Fun Rally, the first thing I recall he did was make contact and plans for such. It's ridiculous and unacceptable for anyone to be rude and insulting to those doing their best to help us have a better organization. I recently renewed my membership which I feel would be great if it was reduced a bit in cost (as it used to be) as I'd like the option to get only the "Profiles Magazine" in print form.. the Newsletter is perfectly suited for an online reference... (again, my opinion) and which I seem to hear would save the club something like $26,000 a year. On our new POCA Website I am able to look up old articles in Profiles... especially enjoy the ease of being able to find ones about my car and me, issue 2010 #1, and my SSCC synopsis, in 2000, #3. That's a whole lot easier than searching my own computer room and closet filled with years old multi-curricular lesson plans and old publications from POCA, and three other car clubs. I really love the idea of these publications being available ON LINE; it is quite modern and convenient. Insofar as the survey regarding POCA's Fun Rally...As always there were goods and not so goods. The good, naturally, is getting to see and socialize with old friends and meet new ones. The bad is that the Plaza remains to be, not the most appealing of choices. I don't know about the new furnishings but I do know that the entire floor where the hospitality and banquet was held was covered in sheets over the construction and warnings of potential injury....I kind of felt early on that it'd be a good idea, as a few others, to opt to stay at the Golden Nugget. It's right across the street and very nice! As usual though, at our event, the hospitality room opportunity with all the Club stores was and is always great. The sessions, especially Scott Mead's photography session was more than excellent. The run to Mt. Charles was beautiful. I didn't have a car there so I was so grateful to Lori Drew who hooked me up with a ride with a super nice fellow from PCNC, Bayani; many thanks Bayani! The banquet food was something I'm unable to compare easily as to the awfulness compared to any past Fun Rally. The Plaza buffets were generally decent in the past, even used to get a bottle of red and white wine on each table, but something definitely went amiss this year. As I was seated at a table with Terry Himes (Mars' space scientist) and friends, the best way to describe the salmon was freeze dried and suitable (almost) as astronaut food. The water was undrinkable, maybe tainted with some alien creatures, toxic chemicals, or poisoned purposefully so people would buy liquor during the banquet. Dessert, can't comment, didn't try. The raffle... well that's yet another story! I've been the one in the past who once had the job of recruiting prizes for months, organizing the displays, getting everything to Vegas, and then announcing the prizes at the dinner and I vividly recall being reprimanded for how long it took to disseminate prizes at the banquet ... BUT...in good fairness to me, i took a fraction of what happened this year.. which was in ponderous tortoise-like, multi-hours long, motion, so much to the fact that I literally made up for the previous two nights of lost sleep. I mean really, for hundreds of prizes from a few really nice car related, down to insignificant, and each prize announced in humorous but mostly painful detail ... down to a slew of t-shirts, one by one... and then waiting for the comatose winner to notice or be nudged awake that he or she'd won and then have to walk what seemed like 3 blocks to the podium to claim the prize... Good Lord! And I don't blame the presenter as I know what a difficult and commendable job this is.. it's the SYSTEM, not the person! I know many of you like to poke fun at the Corvette Clan but .... the way they've done raffles, at least the National ones, is to post a list of winning tickets #s and during the event, people go over periodically to see if they won, and get the prize from those in charge. Or those so inclined can stay at the prize area and watch the tickets being drawn. All the contributors are posted in advance and the donors are thanked and acknowledged on banners, signs, visuals, business cards, etc. There's always music and dancing and some sort of entertainment. We used to have music, karaoke, and entertainment. What happened??? So in conclusion, I like both the old (forum) and the new (POCA) and hope that people will be more cordial and appreciative of the efforts of Michael and those who work for us. Again much gratitude to Kurt and all involved for the Forum being alive and well. I am not in favor of the fact though that I very recently got a malicious malware bug that caused me to wipe out my entire computer... and start over, not saying it was from here.. BUT I've never had that problem before and I did have an excellent Internet security program installed. So I write with hopes that the risks are not found here! Can't leave without a big hello to Nathan of the North. Always great to hear from you and see your uplifting greetings. And to Bob Levitt...hope you remember me as I was out there on the Santa Monica pier to take pictures of you and your son upon your take off for the Gumball Cross Country race way back when. Still have them saved somewhere and they were on my former POCA album. Btw where are those albums? OK.... off and running and just might see lots of you at Pantera Palooza! Cheerio, Laurie _______________________________________________
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On May 30, 2016, at 2:14 AM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Hello out there in Pantera Email Forum Land. Huge thanks to Kurt as I am another who has always loved our communication in this way. For anyone who might be confused, just to be clear, I'm Laurie Basile/ aka Laurie Ferrari on here as that's my email name. I'm one in the same in case you are looking up any of my old postings in the archives, which I don't advise. I have some of my own thoughts on the new status of POCA. While there's no question that a stock, unmodified, unmolested Pantera is a rare and specially revered item, however the Pantera Club (POCA) and its Website is not to be confused with that same logic. The Club has needed modifications for far too long, most notably reconsideration of modernization and efforts to offer more to the members, and the opening of paths that were forever encumbered with roadblocks. I think the main beef of the many members/lurkers who have been complaining of late is due to the possible loss of the email forum. Yes? Or, some perhaps are not used to the no nonsense, energetic, assertive, personality of Michael Shortt. Well, as board meetings have been open to members I must say I was truly shocked at the rude and unprofessional demeanor of some of the oldest of Board Members. And those on here who are seeking fault and trying to paint a negative picture of the new direction of POCA, I say, if any of you are so touchy and hypersensitive, you'd not have been able to tolerate
myriads of posted comments through the years that could be considered the most non politically correct on here and greatest examples of taunts and tongue in cheek comments on everything from gayness, to racial and political insults, or the worst (personally offensive) the wing modifications on GT5 Panteras. ... Come on folks. What I see that is happening is that Mike Shortt's vision and those of the progressive Board members is one that many have begged for. That being one of a more professionally represented, respectable club (except for our more private, less respectable ramblings on here) one that's more of a Class Act rather than a knitting party, and more representative of the rarity and beauty of our cars, the wealth of knowledge and expertise of our members, and the generosity, helpfulness, and camaraderie of our people. I'd say Michael sees and is enacting, remember....with Board and Chapter Representative approval, a vision of the possibilities and potential of our organization to be more transparent as to the inner workings of major POCA decisions. Those in the know can not argue about the fact that this has been something sorely lacking in the past with regard to political issues, election fairness, and finances, i.e. comparative shopping for our needs, insurance, printing and so on. For the few to make suggestions or even comments that Mr. Shortt is a bigot or the usual gay comments from the peanut gallery.... shame on you! Those comments are just as untrue and inappropriate as
ever been on here. But we grin and bare it and realize any such past comments would never be posted if serious. Or those who make such comments can look up the definition of "Psychological transference." I personally think a "Thank You" is far more appropriate for all the time, effort, and changes Michael is trying to implement! When the word went out that races were wanted at the Fun Rally, the first thing I recall he did was make contact and plans for such. It's ridiculous and unacceptable for anyone to be rude and insulting to those doing their best to help us have a better organization. I recently renewed my membership which I feel would be great if it was reduced a bit in cost (as it used to be) as I'd like the option to get only the "Profiles Magazine" in print form.. the Newsletter is perfectly suited for an online reference... (again, my opinion) and which I seem to hear would save the club something like $26,000 a year. On our new POCA Website I am able to look up old articles in Profiles... especially enjoy the ease of being able to find ones about my car and me, issue 2010 #1, and my SSCC synopsis, in 2000, #3. That's a whole lot easier than searching my own computer room and closet filled with years old multi-curricular lesson plans and old publications from POCA, and three other car clubs. I really love the idea of these publications being available ON LINE; it is quite modern and convenient. Insofar as the survey regarding POCA's Fun Rally...As always there were goods and not so goods. The good, naturally, is getting to see and socialize with old friends and meet new ones. The bad is that the Plaza remains to be, not the most appealing of choices. I don't know about the new furnishings but I do know that the entire floor where the hospitality and banquet was held was covered in sheets over the construction and warnings of potential injury....I kind of felt early on that it'd be a good idea, as a few others, to opt to stay at the Golden Nugget. It's right across the street and very nice! As usual though, at our event, the hospitality room opportunity with all the Club stores was and is always great. The sessions, especially Scott Mead's photography session was more than excellent. The run to Mt. Charles was beautiful. I didn't have a car there so I was so grateful to Lori Drew who hooked me up with a ride with a super nice fellow from PCNC, Bayani; many thanks Bayani! The banquet food was something I'm unable to compare easily as to the awfulness compared to any past Fun Rally. The Plaza buffets were generally decent in the past, even used to get a bottle of red and white wine on each table, but something definitely went amiss this year. As I was seated at a table with Terry Himes (Mars' space scientist) and friends, the best way to describe
salmon was freeze dried and suitable (almost) as astronaut food. The water was undrinkable, maybe tainted with some alien creatures, toxic chemicals, or poisoned purposefully so people would buy liquor during the banquet. Dessert, can't comment, didn't try. The raffle... well that's yet another story! I've been the one in the past who once had the job of recruiting prizes for months, organizing the displays, getting everything to Vegas, and then announcing the prizes at the dinner and I vividly recall being reprimanded for how long it took to disseminate prizes at the banquet ... BUT...in good fairness to me, i took a fraction of what happened this year.. which was in ponderous tortoise-like, multi-hours long, motion, so much to the fact that I literally made up for the previous two nights of lost sleep. I mean really, for hundreds of prizes from a few really nice car related, down to insignificant, and each prize announced in humorous but mostly painful detail ... down to a slew of t-shirts, one by one... and then waiting for the comatose winner to notice or be nudged awake that he or she'd won and then have to walk what seemed like 3 blocks to the
to claim the prize... Good Lord! And I don't blame the presenter as I know what a difficult and commendable job this is.. it's the SYSTEM, not the person! I know many of you like to poke fun at the Corvette Clan but .... the way they've done raffles, at least the National ones, is to post a list of winning tickets #s and during the event, people go over periodically to see if they won, and get the prize from those in charge. Or those so inclined can stay at the prize area and watch the tickets being drawn. All the contributors are posted in advance and the donors are thanked and acknowledged on banners, signs, visuals, business cards, etc. There's always music and dancing and some sort of entertainment. We used to have music, karaoke, and entertainment. What happened??? So in conclusion, I like both the old (forum) and the new (POCA) and hope that people will be more cordial and appreciative of the efforts of Michael and those who work for us. Again much gratitude to Kurt and all involved for the Forum being alive and well. I am not in favor of the fact though that I very recently got a malicious malware bug that caused me to wipe out my entire computer... and start over, not saying it was from here.. BUT I've never had that problem before and I did have an excellent Internet security program installed. So I write with hopes that the risks are not found here! Can't leave without a big hello to Nathan of the North. Always great to hear from you and see your uplifting greetings. And to Bob Levitt...hope you remember me as I was out there on the Santa Monica pier to take pictures of you and your son upon your take off for the Gumball Cross Country race way back when. Still have them saved somewhere and they were on my former POCA album. Btw where are those albums? OK.... off and running and just might see lots of you at Pantera Palooza! Cheerio, Laurie _______________________________________________
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Mike, First off, I want to reiterate that you did a fantastic job with the raffle and your sense of humor and beautiful assistant(!) added some great spirit to this task! So you are not being blamed at all! You followed the tradition and we ended up with way too many T-shirts to raffle! I believe Robert spent about $200 on raffle tickets, not for purpose of winning, but to support our club's treasury! So thank you and your assistants for a job well done! I personally like your suggestion for next year's raffle event and will leave in the hands of our board to fine tune and get it finalized! We all had comments about the event and personally speaking, not for criticism but for learning and improving going forward, I'm sure most will agree. Jack DeRyke's newsletter is amazing and I made sure to communicate that to Judy so she can share with Jack. I believe the majority of members and guests who were there enjoyed all the events, the POCA shops were great, seeing old friends and meeting new ones was my personal high light and Jay Leno's show was a very special event!... (Thank you Marshall and team). Our car was just fine tuned that week and we drove it and enjoyed the ride there and back tremendously! It will be so much better next year, wherever it may take place. When you have dates, please let us know to block it on our calendar! Especially if we have to fly there. Thank you again. Sent from Effie's iPad On May 30, 2016, at 6:41 PM, [1]mbglobalsc@aol.com wrote: Good evening ladies and everyone else on the forum, I would like to express some thoughts about the raffle during this past Fun Rally. As Vice President of POCA it is my responsibility to do many things as a Board member, but also be the Raffle Master at the Fun Rally. In reply to Laurie and Effie's postings, I agree that the raffle has considerable room for improvement. And even though this was my first POCA Raffle, I have been apart of many Car Shows and other big motor car related events that included a raffle, but didn't want to reinvent the proverbial wheel by changing anything about the way past POCA raffles have been run. As it turns out, there were quite a few things that could have helped make it run smoother. On the one hand I am proud that through my efforts in dealing with our vendors and my wife Chrissy spending four months hitting crafts fairs and sales ( her budget from POCA was challenging) and through the generosity of our vendors and many others, we were able to have almost $9,000.00 worth of raffle prizes. Unfortunately, if you were there, not many of the prizes were bigger ticket in value, instead averaging $25.00 to $40.00 including over 40 T-shirts on top of that. We did have a good showing of bigger value items in the $200.00 to $530.00 valuations. Even with a strong showing of raffle prizes and with lots of help from Chrissy, Joe Stockstt ( our POCA Secretary) Ed Mendez ( our POCA PR and Advertising lead) and even Michael Shortt ( our POCA President) and myself, the raffle went almost an hour and a half in a hot room (no air conditioning) after a full day, banquet and cocktails. In spite of all our efforts to move things along....I'm sure it seemed like the raffle that would never end! So, I will present a new plan for the Fun Rally Raffle to the POCA Board at our July meeting. It will include having a general raffle where tickets will be drawn hourly all day Saturday with winning numbers posted. Proposing to the Board that we use seed money from POCA to purchase not only some big ticket prizes ( TV, Blu-ray player and maybe a trip to harbor freight for useful tools gauges, etc. that we all could use) but maybe some other items of interest like gift cards ( of real value) or even plane tickets??? Who knows, it is all on the table and I am asking for all of you to give me some input with your ideas. Thanks, Mike Burnett VP POCA -----Original Message----- From: Effie Richards <[2]erichards@zogob.sdcoxmail.com> To: laurieferrari [3]laurieferrari@aol.com who Cc: detomaso <[4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; detomaso <[5]detomaso@poca.com> Sent: Mon, May 30, 2016 5:21 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Laurie's vision of current topics (be warned ... long and tedious) Thank you so much for saying it so eloquently! Laurie's point of you is well laid out and she is a Pantera owner for years and years and a member of POCA for the same! I would like to agree with her proposed method of awarding the prizes as well. Other car shows do it the same way by posting winners ticket numbers and no one falls asleep. My husband ushered me out of the room halfway through. Although Mike Burnett had a great sense of humor while presenting the awards, after an hour or so, Robert could no longer stay awake. The food was not good, I agree, but that's not the organizers' fault, they did the best they could to give all all of us a good time. I would like to suggest that we have better organized run events next year, with maps, a front leader, a middle leader and a tail leader for those who were not able to make the traffic lights, like we offered when we hosted in San Diego 2 years ago. I think we all learned things from this experience and corrections/improvements will be made for next year's rally. No matter what, I hope to see mailings of the Profiles since my husband and others maybe, don't do email. 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Thanks for the kind words Effie, It was fun getting to know you and Bob better and meeting so many other great members of POCA. Collectively we will make future Fun Rally's ( and raffles) memorable with everyone's input and participation. Regards, Mike B -----Original Message----- From: Effie Richards <erichards@zogob.sdcoxmail.com> To: mbglobalsc <mbglobalsc@aol.com> Cc: laurieferrari <laurieferrari@aol.com>; detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; detomaso <detomaso@poca.com> Sent: Mon, May 30, 2016 7:04 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Laurie's vision of current topics (be warned ... long and tedious) Mike, First off, I want to reiterate that you did a fantastic job with the raffle and your sense of humor and beautiful assistant(!) added some great spirit to this task! So you are not being blamed at all! You followed the tradition and we ended up with way too many T-shirts to raffle! I believe Robert spent about $200 on raffle tickets, not for purpose of winning, but to support our club's treasury! So thank you and your assistants for a job well done! I personally like your suggestion for next year's raffle event and will leave in the hands of our board to fine tune and get it finalized! We all had comments about the event and personally speaking, not for criticism but for learning and improving going forward, I'm sure most will agree. Jack DeRyke's newsletter is amazing and I made sure to communicate that to Judy so she can share with Jack. I believe the majority of members and guests who were there enjoyed all the events, the POCA shops were great, seeing old friends and meeting new ones was my personal high light and Jay Leno's show was a very special event!... (Thank you Marshall and team). Our car was just fine tuned that week and we drove it and enjoyed the ride there and back tremendously! It will be so much better next year, wherever it may take place. When you have dates, please let us know to block it on our calendar! Especially if we have to fly there. Thank you again. Sent from Effie's iPad On May 30, 2016, at 6:41 PM, mbglobalsc@aol.com wrote: Good evening ladies and everyone else on the forum, I would like to express some thoughts about the raffle during this past Fun Rally. As Vice President of POCA it is my responsibility to do many things as a Board member, but also be the Raffle Master at the Fun Rally. In reply to Laurie and Effie's postings, I agree that the raffle has considerable room for improvement. And even though this was my first POCA Raffle, I have been apart of many Car Shows and other big motor car related events that included a raffle, but didn't want to reinvent the proverbial wheel by changing anything about the way past POCA raffles have been run. As it turns out, there were quite a few things that could have helped make it run smoother. On the one hand I am proud that through my efforts in dealing with our vendors and my wife Chrissy spending four months hitting crafts fairs and sales ( her budget from POCA was challenging) and through the generosity of our vendors and many others, we were able to have almost $9,000.00 worth of raffle prizes. Unfortunately, if you were there, not many of the prizes were bigger ticket in value, instead averaging $25.00 to $40.00 including over 40 T-shirts on top of that. We did have a good showing of bigger value items in the $200.00 to $530.00 valuations. Even with a strong showing of raffle prizes and with lots of help from Chrissy, Joe Stockstt ( our POCA Secretary) Ed Mendez ( our POCA PR and Advertising lead) and even Michael Shortt ( our POCA President) and myself, the raffle went almost an hour and a half in a hot room (no air conditioning) after a full day, banquet and cocktails. In spite of all our efforts to move things along....I'm sure it seemed like the raffle that would never end! So, I will present a new plan for the Fun Rally Raffle to the POCA Board at our July meeting. It will include having a general raffle where tickets will be drawn hourly all day Saturday with winning numbers posted. Proposing to the Board that we use seed money from POCA to purchase not only some big ticket prizes ( TV, Blu-ray player and maybe a trip to harbor freight for useful tools gauges, etc. that we all could use) but maybe some other items of interest like gift cards ( of real value) or even plane tickets??? Who knows, it is all on the table and I am asking for all of you to give me some input with your ideas. Thanks, Mike Burnett VP POCA -----Original Message----- From: Effie Richards <erichards@zogob.sdcoxmail.com> To: laurieferrari laurieferrari@aol.com who Cc: detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; detomaso <detomaso@poca.com> Sent: Mon, May 30, 2016 5:21 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Laurie's vision of current topics (be warned ... long and tedious) Thank you so much for saying it so eloquently! Laurie's point of you is well laid out and she is a Pantera owner for years and years and a member of POCA for the same! I would like to agree with her proposed method of awarding the prizes as well. Other car shows do it the same way by posting winners ticket numbers and no one falls asleep. My husband ushered me out of the room halfway through. Although Mike Burnett had a great sense of humor while presenting the awards, after an hour or so, Robert could no longer stay awake. The food was not good, I agree, but that's not the organizers' fault, they did the best they could to give all all of us a good time. I would like to suggest that we have better organized run events next year, with maps, a front leader, a middle leader and a tail leader for those who were not able to make the traffic lights, like we offered when we hosted in San Diego 2 years ago. I think we all learned things from this experience and corrections/improvements will be made for next year's rally. No matter what, I hope to see mailings of the Profiles since my husband and others maybe, don't do email. Always remaining members of our POCA club, always! Sent from Effie's iPad
On May 30, 2016, at 2:14 AM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Hello out there in Pantera Email Forum Land. Huge thanks to Kurt as I am another who has always loved our communication in this way. For anyone who might be confused, just to be clear, I'm Laurie Basile/ aka Laurie Ferrari on here as that's my email name. I'm one in the same in case you are looking up any of my old postings in the archives, which I don't advise. I have some of my own thoughts on the new status of POCA. While there's no question that a stock, unmodified, unmolested Pantera is a rare and specially revered item, however the Pantera Club (POCA) and its Website is not to be confused with that same logic. The Club has needed modifications for far too long, most notably reconsideration of modernization and efforts to offer more to the members, and the opening of paths that were forever encumbered with roadblocks. I think the main beef of the many members/lurkers who have been complaining of late is due to the possible loss of the email forum. Yes? Or, some perhaps are not used to the no nonsense, energetic, assertive, personality of Michael Shortt. Well, as board meetings have been open to members I must say I was truly shocked at the rude and unprofessional demeanor of some of the oldest of Board Members. And those on here who are seeking fault and trying to paint a negative picture of the new direction of POCA, I say, if any of you are so touchy and hypersensitive, you'd not have been able to tolerate the myriads of posted comments through the years that could be considered the most non politically correct on here and greatest examples of taunts and tongue in cheek comments on everything from gayness, to racial and political insults, or the worst (personally offensive) the wing modifications on GT5 Panteras. ... Come on folks. What I see that is happening is that Mike Shortt's vision and those of the progressive Board members is one that many have begged for. That being one of a more professionally represented, respectable club (except for our more private, less respectable ramblings on here) one that's more of a Class Act rather than a knitting party, and more representative of the rarity and beauty of our cars, the wealth of knowledge and expertise of our members, and the generosity, helpfulness, and camaraderie of our people. I'd say Michael sees and is enacting, remember....with Board and Chapter Representative approval, a vision of the possibilities and potential of our organization to be more transparent as to the inner workings of major POCA decisions. Those in the know can not argue about the fact that this has been something sorely lacking in the past with regard to political issues, election fairness, and finances, i.e. comparative shopping for our needs, insurance, printing and so on. For the few to make suggestions or even comments that Mr. Shortt is a bigot or the usual gay comments from the peanut gallery.... shame on you! Those comments are just as untrue and inappropriate as they've ever been on here. But we grin and bare it and realize any such past comments would never be posted if serious. Or those who make such comments can look up the definition of "Psychological transference." I personally think a "Thank You" is far more appropriate for all the time, effort, and changes Michael is trying to implement! When the word went out that races were wanted at the Fun Rally, the first thing I recall he did was make contact and plans for such. It's ridiculous and unacceptable for anyone to be rude and insulting to those doing their best to help us have a better organization. I recently renewed my membership which I feel would be great if it was reduced a bit in cost (as it used to be) as I'd like the option to get only the "Profiles Magazine" in print form.. the Newsletter is perfectly suited for an online reference... (again, my opinion) and which I seem to hear would save the club something like $26,000 a year. On our new POCA Website I am able to look up old articles in Profiles... especially enjoy the ease of being able to find ones about my car and me, issue 2010 #1, and my SSCC synopsis, in 2000, #3. That's a whole lot easier than searching my own computer room and closet filled with years old multi-curricular lesson plans and old publications from POCA, and three other car clubs. I really love the idea of these publications being available ON LINE; it is quite modern and convenient. Insofar as the survey regarding POCA's Fun Rally...As always there were goods and not so goods. The good, naturally, is getting to see and socialize with old friends and meet new ones. The bad is that the Plaza remains to be, not the most appealing of choices. I don't know about the new furnishings but I do know that the entire floor where the hospitality and banquet was held was covered in sheets over the construction and warnings of potential injury....I kind of felt early on that it'd be a good idea, as a few others, to opt to stay at the Golden Nugget. It's right across the street and very nice! As usual though, at our event, the hospitality room opportunity with all the Club stores was and is always great. The sessions, especially Scott Mead's photography session was more than excellent. The run to Mt. Charles was beautiful. I didn't have a car there so I was so grateful to Lori Drew who hooked me up with a ride with a super nice fellow from PCNC, Bayani; many thanks Bayani! The banquet food was something I'm unable to compare easily as to the awfulness compared to any past Fun Rally. The Plaza buffets were generally decent in the past, even used to get a bottle of red and white wine on each table, but something definitely went amiss this year. As I was seated at a table with Terry Himes (Mars' space scientist) and friends, the best way to describe the salmon was freeze dried and suitable (almost) as astronaut food. The water was undrinkable, maybe tainted with some alien creatures, toxic chemicals, or poisoned purposefully so people would buy liquor during the banquet. Dessert, can't comment, didn't try. The raffle... well that's yet another story! I've been the one in the past who once had the job of recruiting prizes for months, organizing the displays, getting everything to Vegas, and then announcing the prizes at the dinner and I vividly recall being reprimanded for how long it took to disseminate prizes at the banquet ... BUT...in good fairness to me, i took a fraction of what happened this year.. which was in ponderous tortoise-like, multi-hours long, motion, so much to the fact that I literally made up for the previous two nights of lost sleep. I mean really, for hundreds of prizes from a few really nice car related, down to insignificant, and each prize announced in humorous but mostly painful detail ... down to a slew of t-shirts, one by one... and then waiting for the comatose winner to notice or be nudged awake that he or she'd won and then have to walk what seemed like 3 blocks to the podium to claim the prize... Good Lord! And I don't blame the presenter as I know what a difficult and commendable job this is.. it's the SYSTEM, not the person! I know many of you like to poke fun at the Corvette Clan but .... the way they've done raffles, at least the National ones, is to post a list of winning tickets #s and during the event, people go over periodically to see if they won, and get the prize from those in charge. Or those so inclined can stay at the prize area and watch the tickets being drawn. All the contributors are posted in advance and the donors are thanked and acknowledged on banners, signs, visuals, business cards, etc. There's always music and dancing and some sort of entertainment. We used to have music, karaoke, and entertainment. What happened??? So in conclusion, I like both the old (forum) and the new (POCA) and hope that people will be more cordial and appreciative of the efforts of Michael and those who work for us. Again much gratitude to Kurt and all involved for the Forum being alive and well. I am not in favor of the fact though that I very recently got a malicious malware bug that caused me to wipe out my entire computer... and start over, not saying it was from here.. BUT I've never had that problem before and I did have an excellent Internet security program installed. So I write with hopes that the risks are not found here! Can't leave without a big hello to Nathan of the North. Always great to hear from you and see your uplifting greetings. And to Bob Levitt...hope you remember me as I was out there on the Santa Monica pier to take pictures of you and your son upon your take off for the Gumball Cross Country race way back when. Still have them saved somewhere and they were on my former POCA album. Btw where are those albums? OK.... off and running and just might see lots of you at Pantera Palooza! Cheerio, Laurie _______________________________________________
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Hello out there in Pantera Email Forum Land. Huge thanks to Kurt as I am another who has always loved our communication in this way. For anyone who might be confused, just to be clear, I'm Laurie Basile/ aka Laurie Ferrari on here as that's my email name. I'm one in the same in case you are looking up any of my old postings in the archives, which I don't advise. I have some of my own thoughts on the new status of POCA. While there's no question that a stock, unmodified, unmolested Pantera is a rare and specially revered item, however the Pantera Club (POCA) and its Website is not to be confused with that same logic. The Club has needed modifications for far too long, most notably reconsideration of modernization and efforts to offer more to the members, and the opening of paths that were forever encumbered with roadblocks. I think the main beef of the many members/lurkers who have been complaining of late is due to the possible loss of the email forum. Yes? Or, some perhaps are not used to the no nonsense, energetic, assertive, personality of Michael Shortt. Well, as board meetings have been open to members I must say I was truly shocked at the rude and unprofessional demeanor of some of the oldest of Board Members. And those on here who are seeking fault and trying to paint a negative picture of the new direction of POCA, I say, if any of you are so touchy and hypersensitive, you'd not have been able to tolerate
myriads of posted comments through the years that could be considered the most non politically correct on here and greatest examples of taunts and tongue in cheek comments on everything from gayness, to racial and political insults, or the worst (personally offensive) the wing modifications on GT5 Panteras. ... Come on folks. What I see that is happening is that Mike Shortt's vision and those of the progressive Board members is one that many have begged for. That being one of a more professionally represented, respectable club (except for our more private, less respectable ramblings on here) one that's more of a Class Act rather than a knitting party, and more representative of the rarity and beauty of our cars, the wealth of knowledge and expertise of our members, and the generosity, helpfulness, and camaraderie of our people. I'd say Michael sees and is enacting, remember....with Board and Chapter Representative approval, a vision of the possibilities and potential of our organization to be more transparent as to the inner workings of major POCA decisions. Those in the know can not argue about the fact that this has been something sorely lacking in the past with regard to political issues, election fairness, and finances, i.e. comparative shopping for our needs, insurance, printing and so on. For the few to make suggestions or even comments that Mr. Shortt is a bigot or the usual gay comments from the peanut gallery.... shame on you! Those comments are just as untrue and inappropriate as
ever been on here. But we grin and bare it and realize any such past comments would never be posted if serious. Or those who make such comments can look up the definition of "Psychological transference." I personally think a "Thank You" is far more appropriate for all the time, effort, and changes Michael is trying to implement! When the word went out that races were wanted at the Fun Rally, the first thing I recall he did was make contact and plans for such. It's ridiculous and unacceptable for anyone to be rude and insulting to those doing their best to help us have a better organization. I recently renewed my membership which I feel would be great if it was reduced a bit in cost (as it used to be) as I'd like the option to get only the "Profiles Magazine" in print form.. the Newsletter is perfectly suited for an online reference... (again, my opinion) and which I seem to hear would save the club something like $26,000 a year. On our new POCA Website I am able to look up old articles in Profiles... especially enjoy the ease of being able to find ones about my car and me, issue 2010 #1, and my SSCC synopsis, in 2000, #3. That's a whole lot easier than searching my own computer room and closet filled with years old multi-curricular lesson plans and old publications from POCA, and three other car clubs. I really love the idea of these publications being available ON LINE; it is quite modern and convenient. Insofar as the survey regarding POCA's Fun Rally...As always there were goods and not so goods. The good, naturally, is getting to see and socialize with old friends and meet new ones. The bad is that the Plaza remains to be, not the most appealing of choices. I don't know about the new furnishings but I do know that the entire floor where the hospitality and banquet was held was covered in sheets over the construction and warnings of potential injury....I kind of felt early on that it'd be a good idea, as a few others, to opt to stay at the Golden Nugget. It's right across the street and very nice! As usual though, at our event, the hospitality room opportunity with all the Club stores was and is always great. The sessions, especially Scott Mead's photography session was more than excellent. The run to Mt. Charles was beautiful. I didn't have a car there so I was so grateful to Lori Drew who hooked me up with a ride with a super nice fellow from PCNC, Bayani; many thanks Bayani! The banquet food was something I'm unable to compare easily as to the awfulness compared to any past Fun Rally. The Plaza buffets were generally decent in the past, even used to get a bottle of red and white wine on each table, but something definitely went amiss this year. As I was seated at a table with Terry Himes (Mars' space scientist) and friends, the best way to describe
salmon was freeze dried and suitable (almost) as astronaut food. The water was undrinkable, maybe tainted with some alien creatures, toxic chemicals, or poisoned purposefully so people would buy liquor during the banquet. Dessert, can't comment, didn't try. The raffle... well that's yet another story! I've been the one in the past who once had the job of recruiting prizes for months, organizing the displays, getting everything to Vegas, and then announcing the prizes at the dinner and I vividly recall being reprimanded for how long it took to disseminate prizes at the banquet ... BUT...in good fairness to me, i took a fraction of what happened this year.. which was in ponderous tortoise-like, multi-hours long, motion, so much to the fact that I literally made up for the previous two nights of lost sleep. I mean really, for hundreds of prizes from a few really nice car related, down to insignificant, and each prize announced in humorous but mostly painful detail ... down to a slew of t-shirts, one by one... and then waiting for the comatose winner to notice or be nudged awake that he or she'd won and then have to walk what seemed like 3 blocks to the
to claim the prize... Good Lord! And I don't blame the presenter as I know what a difficult and commendable job this is.. it's the SYSTEM, not the person! I know many of you like to poke fun at the Corvette Clan but .... the way they've done raffles, at least the National ones, is to post a list of winning tickets #s and during the event, people go over periodically to see if they won, and get the prize from those in charge. Or those so inclined can stay at the prize area and watch the tickets being drawn. All the contributors are posted in advance and the donors are thanked and acknowledged on banners, signs, visuals, business cards, etc. There's always music and dancing and some sort of entertainment. We used to have music, karaoke, and entertainment. What happened??? So in conclusion, I like both the old (forum) and the new (POCA) and hope that people will be more cordial and appreciative of the efforts of Michael and those who work for us. Again much gratitude to Kurt and all involved for the Forum being alive and well. I am not in favor of the fact though that I very recently got a malicious malware bug that caused me to wipe out my entire computer... and start over, not saying it was from here.. BUT I've never had that problem before and I did have an excellent Internet security program installed. So I write with hopes that the risks are not found here! Can't leave without a big hello to Nathan of the North. Always great to hear from you and see your uplifting greetings. And to Bob Levitt...hope you remember me as I was out there on the Santa Monica pier to take pictures of you and your son upon your take off for the Gumball Cross Country race way back when. Still have them saved somewhere and they were on my former POCA album. Btw where are those albums? OK.... off and running and just might see lots of you at Pantera Palooza! Cheerio, Laurie _______________________________________________
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_______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Thanks for the kind words Effie, It was fun getting to know you and Bob better and meeting so many other great members of POCA. Collectively we will make future Fun Rally's ( and raffles) memorable with everyone's input and participation. Regards, Mike B -----Original Message----- From: Effie Richards <erichards@zogob.sdcoxmail.com> To: mbglobalsc <mbglobalsc@aol.com> Cc: laurieferrari <laurieferrari@aol.com>; detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; detomaso <detomaso@poca.com> Sent: Mon, May 30, 2016 7:04 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Laurie's vision of current topics (be warned ... long and tedious) Mike, First off, I want to reiterate that you did a fantastic job with the raffle and your sense of humor and beautiful assistant(!) added some great spirit to this task! So you are not being blamed at all! You followed the tradition and we ended up with way too many T-shirts to raffle! I believe Robert spent about $200 on raffle tickets, not for purpose of winning, but to support our club's treasury! So thank you and your assistants for a job well done! I personally like your suggestion for next year's raffle event and will leave in the hands of our board to fine tune and get it finalized! We all had comments about the event and personally speaking, not for criticism but for learning and improving going forward, I'm sure most will agree. Jack DeRyke's newsletter is amazing and I made sure to communicate that to Judy so she can share with Jack. I believe the majority of members and guests who were there enjoyed all the events, the POCA shops were great, seeing old friends and meeting new ones was my personal high light and Jay Leno's show was a very special event!... (Thank you Marshall and team). Our car was just fine tuned that week and we drove it and enjoyed the ride there and back tremendously! It will be so much better next year, wherever it may take place. When you have dates, please let us know to block it on our calendar! Especially if we have to fly there. Thank you again. Sent from Effie's iPad On May 30, 2016, at 6:41 PM, [1]mbglobalsc@aol.com wrote: Good evening ladies and everyone else on the forum, I would like to express some thoughts about the raffle during this past Fun Rally. As Vice President of POCA it is my responsibility to do many things as a Board member, but also be the Raffle Master at the Fun Rally. In reply to Laurie and Effie's postings, I agree that the raffle has considerable room for improvement. And even though this was my first POCA Raffle, I have been apart of many Car Shows and other big motor car related events that included a raffle, but didn't want to reinvent the proverbial wheel by changing anything about the way past POCA raffles have been run. As it turns out, there were quite a few things that could have helped make it run smoother. On the one hand I am proud that through my efforts in dealing with our vendors and my wife Chrissy spending four months hitting crafts fairs and sales ( her budget from POCA was challenging) and through the generosity of our vendors and many others, we were able to have almost $9,000.00 worth of raffle prizes. Unfortunately, if you were there, not many of the prizes were bigger ticket in value, instead averaging $25.00 to $40.00 including over 40 T-shirts on top of that. We did have a good showing of bigger value items in the $200.00 to $530.00 valuations. Even with a strong showing of raffle prizes and with lots of help from Chrissy, Joe Stockstt ( our POCA Secretary) Ed Mendez ( our POCA PR and Advertising lead) and even Michael Shortt ( our POCA President) and myself, the raffle went almost an hour and a half in a hot room (no air conditioning) after a full day, banquet and cocktails. In spite of all our efforts to move things along....I'm sure it seemed like the raffle that would never end! So, I will present a new plan for the Fun Rally Raffle to the POCA Board at our July meeting. It will include having a general raffle where tickets will be drawn hourly all day Saturday with winning numbers posted. Proposing to the Board that we use seed money from POCA to purchase not only some big ticket prizes ( TV, Blu-ray player and maybe a trip to harbor freight for useful tools gauges, etc. that we all could use) but maybe some other items of interest like gift cards ( of real value) or even plane tickets??? Who knows, it is all on the table and I am asking for all of you to give me some input with your ideas. Thanks, Mike Burnett VP POCA -----Original Message----- From: Effie Richards <[2]erichards@zogob.sdcoxmail.com> To: laurieferrari [3]laurieferrari@aol.com who Cc: detomaso <[4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; detomaso <[5]detomaso@poca.com> Sent: Mon, May 30, 2016 5:21 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Laurie's vision of current topics (be warned ... long and tedious) Thank you so much for saying it so eloquently! Laurie's point of you is well laid out and she is a Pantera owner for years and years and a member of POCA for the same! I would like to agree with her proposed method of awarding the prizes as well. Other car shows do it the same way by posting winners ticket numbers and no one falls asleep. My husband ushered me out of the room halfway through. Although Mike Burnett had a great sense of humor while presenting the awards, after an hour or so, Robert could no longer stay awake. The food was not good, I agree, but that's not the organizers' fault, they did the best they could to give all all of us a good time. I would like to suggest that we have better organized run events next year, with maps, a front leader, a middle leader and a tail leader for those who were not able to make the traffic lights, like we offered when we hosted in San Diego 2 years ago. I think we all learned things from this experience and corrections/improvements will be made for next year's rally. No matter what, I hope to see mailings of the Profiles since my husband and others maybe, don't do email. Always remaining members of our POCA club, always! Sent from Effie's iPad the they've the podium list. 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I have no doubt it will be awesome even though we still had a grand time in Vegas! Sent from Effie's iPad
On May 30, 2016, at 8:11 PM, mbglobalsc@aol.com wrote:
Thanks for the kind words Effie,
It was fun getting to know you and Bob better and meeting so many other great members of POCA. Collectively we will make future Fun Rally's ( and raffles) memorable with everyone's input and participation.
Regards, Mike B
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Mike, First off, I want to reiterate that you did a fantastic job with the raffle and your sense of humor and beautiful assistant(!) added some great spirit to this task! So you are not being blamed at all! You followed the tradition and we ended up with way too many T-shirts to raffle! I believe Robert spent about $200 on raffle tickets, not for purpose of winning, but to support our club's treasury! So thank you and your assistants for a job well done! I personally like your suggestion for next year's raffle event and will leave in the hands of our board to fine tune and get it finalized! We all had comments about the event and personally speaking, not for criticism but for learning and improving going forward, I'm sure most will agree. Jack DeRyke's newsletter is amazing and I made sure to communicate that to Judy so she can share with Jack. I believe the majority of members and guests who were there enjoyed all the events, the POCA shops were great, seeing old friends and meeting new ones was my personal high light and Jay Leno's show was a very special event!... (Thank you Marshall and team). Our car was just fine tuned that week and we drove it and enjoyed the ride there and back tremendously! It will be so much better next year, wherever it may take place. When you have dates, please let us know to block it on our calendar! Especially if we have to fly there. Thank you again.
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On May 30, 2016, at 6:41 PM, mbglobalsc@aol.com wrote:
Good evening ladies and everyone else on the forum, I would like to express some thoughts about the raffle during this past Fun Rally.
As Vice President of POCA it is my responsibility to do many things as a Board member, but also be the Raffle Master at the Fun Rally.
In reply to Laurie and Effie's postings, I agree that the raffle has considerable room for improvement. And even though this was my first POCA Raffle, I have been apart of many Car Shows and other big motor car related events that included a raffle, but didn't want to reinvent the proverbial wheel by changing anything about the way past POCA raffles have been run. As it turns out, there were quite a few things that could have helped make it run smoother.
On the one hand I am proud that through my efforts in dealing with our vendors and my wife Chrissy spending four months hitting crafts fairs and sales ( her budget from POCA was challenging) and through the generosity of our vendors and many others, we were able to have almost $9,000.00 worth of raffle prizes. Unfortunately, if you were there, not many of the prizes were bigger ticket in value, instead averaging $25.00 to $40.00 including over 40 T-shirts on top of that. We did have a good showing of bigger value items in the $200.00 to $530.00 valuations.
Even with a strong showing of raffle prizes and with lots of help from Chrissy, Joe Stockstt ( our POCA Secretary) Ed Mendez ( our POCA PR and Advertising lead) and even Michael Shortt ( our POCA President) and myself, the raffle went almost an hour and a half in a hot room (no air conditioning) after a full day, banquet and cocktails.
In spite of all our efforts to move things along....I'm sure it seemed like the raffle that would never end!
So, I will present a new plan for the Fun Rally Raffle to the POCA Board at our July meeting. It will include having a general raffle where tickets will be drawn hourly all day Saturday with winning numbers posted. Proposing to the Board that we use seed money from POCA to purchase not only some big ticket prizes ( TV, Blu-ray player and maybe a trip to harbor freight for useful tools gauges, etc. that we all could use) but maybe some other items of interest like gift cards ( of real value) or even plane tickets???
Who knows, it is all on the table and I am asking for all of you to give me some input with your ideas.
Thanks,
Mike Burnett VP POCA
-----Original Message----- From: Effie Richards <erichards@zogob.sdcoxmail.com> To: laurieferrari laurieferrari@aol.com who Cc: detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; detomaso <detomaso@poca.com> Sent: Mon, May 30, 2016 5:21 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Laurie's vision of current topics (be warned ... long and tedious)
Thank you so much for saying it so eloquently! Laurie's point of you is well laid out and she is a Pantera owner for years and years and a member of POCA for the same! I would like to agree with her proposed method of awarding the prizes as well. Other car shows do it the same way by posting winners ticket numbers and no one falls asleep. My husband ushered me out of the room halfway through. Although Mike Burnett had a great sense of humor while presenting the awards, after an hour or so, Robert could no longer stay awake. The food was not good, I agree, but that's not the organizers' fault, they did the best they could to give all all of us a good time. I would like to suggest that we have better organized run events next year, with maps, a front leader, a middle leader and a tail leader for those who were not able to make the traffic lights, like we offered when we hosted in San Diego 2 years ago. I think we all learned things from this experience and corrections/improvements will be made for next year's rally. No matter what, I hope to see mailings of the Profiles since my husband and others maybe, don't do email. Always remaining members of our POCA club, always!
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On May 30, 2016, at 2:14 AM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Hello out there in Pantera Email Forum Land. Huge thanks to Kurt as I am another who has always loved our communication in this way. For anyone who might be confused, just to be clear, I'm Laurie Basile/ aka Laurie Ferrari on here as that's my email name. I'm one in the same in case you are looking up any of my old postings in the archives, which I don't advise. I have some of my own thoughts on the new status of POCA. While there's no question that a stock, unmodified, unmolested Pantera is a rare and specially revered item, however the Pantera Club (POCA) and its Website is not to be confused with that same logic. The Club has needed modifications for far too long, most notably reconsideration of modernization and efforts to offer more to the members, and the opening of paths that were forever encumbered with roadblocks. I think the main beef of the many members/lurkers who have been complaining of late is due to the possible loss of the email forum. Yes? Or, some perhaps are not used to the no nonsense, energetic, assertive, personality of Michael Shortt. Well, as board meetings have been open to members I must say I was truly shocked at the rude and unprofessional demeanor of some of the oldest of Board Members. And those on here who are seeking fault and trying to paint a negative picture of the new direction of POCA, I say, if any of you are so touchy and hypersensitive, you'd not have been able to tolerate the myriads of posted comments through the years that could be considered the most non politically correct on here and greatest examples of taunts and tongue in cheek comments on everything from gayness, to racial and political insults, or the worst (personally offensive) the wing modifications on GT5 Panteras. ... Come on folks. What I see that is happening is that Mike Shortt's vision and those of the progressive Board members is one that many have begged for. That being one of a more professionally represented, respectable club (except for our more private, less respectable ramblings on here) one that's more of a Class Act rather than a knitting party, and more representative of the rarity and beauty of our cars, the wealth of knowledge and expertise of our members, and the generosity, helpfulness, and camaraderie of our people. I'd say Michael sees and is enacting, remember....with Board and Chapter Representative approval, a vision of the possibilities and potential of our organization to be more transparent as to the inner workings of major POCA decisions. Those in the know can not argue about the fact that this has been something sorely lacking in the past with regard to political issues, election fairness, and finances, i.e. comparative shopping for our needs, insurance, printing and so on. For the few to make suggestions or even comments that Mr. Shortt is a bigot or the usual gay comments from the peanut gallery.... shame on you! Those comments are just as untrue and inappropriate as they've ever been on here. But we grin and bare it and realize any such past comments would never be posted if serious. Or those who make such comments can look up the definition of "Psychological transference." I personally think a "Thank You" is far more appropriate for all the time, effort, and changes Michael is trying to implement! When the word went out that races were wanted at the Fun Rally, the first thing I recall he did was make contact and plans for such. It's ridiculous and unacceptable for anyone to be rude and insulting to those doing their best to help us have a better organization. I recently renewed my membership which I feel would be great if it was reduced a bit in cost (as it used to be) as I'd like the option to get only the "Profiles Magazine" in print form.. the Newsletter is perfectly suited for an online reference... (again, my opinion) and which I seem to hear would save the club something like $26,000 a year. On our new POCA Website I am able to look up old articles in Profiles... especially enjoy the ease of being able to find ones about my car and me, issue 2010 #1, and my SSCC synopsis, in 2000, #3. That's a whole lot easier than searching my own computer room and closet filled with years old multi-curricular lesson plans and old publications from POCA, and three other car clubs. I really love the idea of these publications being available ON LINE; it is quite modern and convenient. Insofar as the survey regarding POCA's Fun Rally...As always there were goods and not so goods. The good, naturally, is getting to see and socialize with old friends and meet new ones. The bad is that the Plaza remains to be, not the most appealing of choices. I don't know about the new furnishings but I do know that the entire floor where the hospitality and banquet was held was covered in sheets over the construction and warnings of potential injury....I kind of felt early on that it'd be a good idea, as a few others, to opt to stay at the Golden Nugget. It's right across the street and very nice! As usual though, at our event, the hospitality room opportunity with all the Club stores was and is always great. The sessions, especially Scott Mead's photography session was more than excellent. The run to Mt. Charles was beautiful. I didn't have a car there so I was so grateful to Lori Drew who hooked me up with a ride with a super nice fellow from PCNC, Bayani; many thanks Bayani! The banquet food was something I'm unable to compare easily as to the awfulness compared to any past Fun Rally. The Plaza buffets were generally decent in the past, even used to get a bottle of red and white wine on each table, but something definitely went amiss this year. As I was seated at a table with Terry Himes (Mars' space scientist) and friends, the best way to describe the salmon was freeze dried and suitable (almost) as astronaut food. The water was undrinkable, maybe tainted with some alien creatures, toxic chemicals, or poisoned purposefully so people would buy liquor during the banquet. Dessert, can't comment, didn't try. The raffle... well that's yet another story! I've been the one in the past who once had the job of recruiting prizes for months, organizing the displays, getting everything to Vegas, and then announcing the prizes at the dinner and I vividly recall being reprimanded for how long it took to disseminate prizes at the banquet ... BUT...in good fairness to me, i took a fraction of what happened this year.. which was in ponderous tortoise-like, multi-hours long, motion, so much to the fact that I literally made up for the previous two nights of lost sleep. I mean really, for hundreds of prizes from a few really nice car related, down to insignificant, and each prize announced in humorous but mostly painful detail ... down to a slew of t-shirts, one by one... and then waiting for the comatose winner to notice or be nudged awake that he or she'd won and then have to walk what seemed like 3 blocks to the podium to claim the prize... Good Lord! And I don't blame the presenter as I know what a difficult and commendable job this is.. it's the SYSTEM, not the person! I know many of you like to poke fun at the Corvette Clan but .... the way they've done raffles, at least the National ones, is to post a list of winning tickets #s and during the event, people go over periodically to see if they won, and get the prize from those in charge. Or those so inclined can stay at the prize area and watch the tickets being drawn. All the contributors are posted in advance and the donors are thanked and acknowledged on banners, signs, visuals, business cards, etc. There's always music and dancing and some sort of entertainment. We used to have music, karaoke, and entertainment. What happened??? So in conclusion, I like both the old (forum) and the new (POCA) and hope that people will be more cordial and appreciative of the efforts of Michael and those who work for us. Again much gratitude to Kurt and all involved for the Forum being alive and well. I am not in favor of the fact though that I very recently got a malicious malware bug that caused me to wipe out my entire computer... and start over, not saying it was from here.. BUT I've never had that problem before and I did have an excellent Internet security program installed. So I write with hopes that the risks are not found here! Can't leave without a big hello to Nathan of the North. Always great to hear from you and see your uplifting greetings. And to Bob Levitt...hope you remember me as I was out there on the Santa Monica pier to take pictures of you and your son upon your take off for the Gumball Cross Country race way back when. Still have them saved somewhere and they were on my former POCA album. Btw where are those albums? OK.... off and running and just might see lots of you at Pantera Palooza! Cheerio, Laurie _______________________________________________
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On May 30, 2016, at 2:14 AM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <[12]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Hello out there in Pantera Email Forum Land. Huge thanks to Kurt as I am another who has always loved our communication in this way. For anyone who might be confused, just to be clear, I'm Laurie Basile/ aka Laurie Ferrari on here as that's my email name. I'm one in the same in case you are looking up any of my old postings in the archives, which I don't advise. I have some of my own thoughts on the new status of POCA. While there's no question that a stock, unmodified, unmolested Pantera is a rare and specially revered item, however the Pantera Club (POCA) and its Website is not to be confused with that same logic. The Club has needed modifications for far too long, most notably reconsideration of modernization and efforts to offer more to the members, and the opening of paths that were forever encumbered with roadblocks. I think the main beef of the many members/lurkers who have been complaining of late is due to the possible loss of the email forum. Yes? Or, some perhaps are not used to the no nonsense, energetic, assertive, personality of Michael Shortt. Well, as board meetings have been open to members I must say I was truly shocked at the rude and unprofessional demeanor of some of the oldest of Board Members. And those on here who are seeking fault and trying to paint a negative picture of the new direction of POCA, I say, if any of you are so touchy and hypersensitive, you'd not have been able to tolerate
myriads of posted comments through the years that could be considered the most non politically correct on here and greatest examples of taunts and tongue in cheek comments on everything from gayness, to racial and political insults, or the worst (personally offensive) the wing modifications on GT5 Panteras. ... Come on folks. What I see that is happening is that Mike Shortt's vision and those of the progressive Board members is one that many have begged for. That being one of a more professionally represented, respectable club (except for our more private, less respectable ramblings on here) one that's more of a Class Act rather than a knitting party, and more representative of the rarity and beauty of our cars, the wealth of knowledge and expertise of our members, and the generosity, helpfulness, and camaraderie of our people. I'd say Michael sees and is enacting, remember....with Board and Chapter Representative approval, a vision of the possibilities and potential of our organization to be more transparent as to the inner workings of major POCA decisions. Those in the know can not argue about the fact that this has been something sorely lacking in the past with regard to political issues, election fairness, and finances, i.e. comparative shopping for our needs, insurance, printing and so on. For the few to make suggestions or even comments that Mr. Shortt is a bigot or the usual gay comments from the peanut gallery.... shame on you! Those comments are just as untrue and inappropriate as
ever been on here. But we grin and bare it and realize any such past comments would never be posted if serious. Or those who make such comments can look up the definition of "Psychological transference." I personally think a "Thank You" is far more appropriate for all the time, effort, and changes Michael is trying to implement! When the word went out that races were wanted at the Fun Rally, the first thing I recall he did was make contact and plans for such. It's ridiculous and unacceptable for anyone to be rude and insulting to those doing their best to help us have a better organization. I recently renewed my membership which I feel would be great if it was reduced a bit in cost (as it used to be) as I'd like the option to get only the "Profiles Magazine" in print form.. the Newsletter is perfectly suited for an online reference... (again, my opinion) and which I seem to hear would save the club something like $26,000 a year. On our new POCA Website I am able to look up old articles in Profiles... especially enjoy the ease of being able to find ones about my car and me, issue 2010 #1, and my SSCC synopsis, in 2000, #3. That's a whole lot easier than searching my own computer room and closet filled with years old multi-curricular lesson plans and old publications from POCA, and three other car clubs. I really love the idea of these publications being available ON LINE; it is quite modern and convenient. Insofar as the survey regarding POCA's Fun Rally...As always there were goods and not so goods. The good, naturally, is getting to see and socialize with old friends and meet new ones. The bad is that the Plaza remains to be, not the most appealing of choices. I don't know about the new furnishings but I do know that the entire floor where the hospitality and banquet was held was covered in sheets over the construction and warnings of potential injury....I kind of felt early on that it'd be a good idea, as a few others, to opt to stay at the Golden Nugget. It's right across the street and very nice! As usual though, at our event, the hospitality room opportunity with all the Club stores was and is always great. The sessions, especially Scott Mead's photography session was more than excellent. The run to Mt. Charles was beautiful. I didn't have a car there so I was so grateful to Lori Drew who hooked me up with a ride with a super nice fellow from PCNC, Bayani; many thanks Bayani! The banquet food was something I'm unable to compare easily as to the awfulness compared to any past Fun Rally. The Plaza buffets were generally decent in the past, even used to get a bottle of red and white wine on each table, but something definitely went amiss this year. As I was seated at a table with Terry Himes (Mars' space scientist) and friends, the best way to describe
salmon was freeze dried and suitable (almost) as astronaut food. The water was undrinkable, maybe tainted with some alien creatures, toxic chemicals, or poisoned purposefully so people would buy liquor during the banquet. Dessert, can't comment, didn't try. The raffle... well that's yet another story! I've been the one in the past who once had the job of recruiting prizes for months, organizing the displays, getting everything to Vegas, and then announcing the prizes at the dinner and I vividly recall being reprimanded for how long it took to disseminate prizes at the banquet ... BUT...in good fairness to me, i took a fraction of what happened this year.. which was in ponderous tortoise-like, multi-hours long, motion, so much to the fact that I literally made up for the previous two nights of lost sleep. I mean really, for hundreds of prizes from a few really nice car related, down to insignificant, and each prize announced in humorous but mostly painful detail ... down to a slew of t-shirts, one by one... and then waiting for the comatose winner to notice or be nudged awake that he or she'd won and then have to walk what seemed like 3 blocks to the
to claim the prize... Good Lord! And I don't blame the presenter as I know what a difficult and commendable job this is.. it's the SYSTEM, not the person! I know many of you like to poke fun at the Corvette Clan but .... the way they've done raffles, at least the National ones, is to post a list of winning tickets #s and during the event, people go over periodically to see if they won, and get the prize from those in charge. Or those so inclined can stay at the prize area and watch the tickets being drawn. All the contributors are posted in advance and the donors are thanked and acknowledged on banners, signs, visuals, business cards, etc. There's always music and dancing and some sort of entertainment. We used to have music, karaoke, and entertainment. What happened??? So in conclusion, I like both the old (forum) and the new (POCA) and hope that people will be more cordial and appreciative of the efforts of Michael and those who work for us. Again much gratitude to Kurt and all involved for the Forum being alive and well. I am not in favor of the fact though that I very recently got a malicious malware bug that caused me to wipe out my entire computer... and start over, not saying it was from here.. BUT I've never had that problem before and I did have an excellent Internet security program installed. So I write with hopes that the risks are not found here! Can't leave without a big hello to Nathan of the North. Always great to hear from you and see your uplifting greetings. And to Bob Levitt...hope you remember me as I was out there on the Santa Monica pier to take pictures of you and your son upon your take off for the Gumball Cross Country race way back when. Still have them saved somewhere and they were on my former POCA album. Btw where are those albums? OK.... off and running and just might see lots of you at Pantera Palooza! Cheerio, Laurie _______________________________________________
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I have no doubt it will be awesome even though we still had a grand time in Vegas! Sent from Effie's iPad On May 30, 2016, at 8:11 PM, [1]mbglobalsc@aol.com wrote: Thanks for the kind words Effie, It was fun getting to know you and Bob better and meeting so many other great members of POCA. Collectively we will make future Fun Rally's ( and raffles) memorable with everyone's input and participation. Regards, Mike B -----Original Message----- From: Effie Richards <[2]erichards@zogob.sdcoxmail.com> To: mbglobalsc <[3]mbglobalsc@aol.com> Cc: laurieferrari <[4]laurieferrari@aol.com>; detomaso <[5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; detomaso <[6]detomaso@poca.com> Sent: Mon, May 30, 2016 7:04 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Laurie's vision of current topics (be warned ... long and tedious) Mike, First off, I want to reiterate that you did a fantastic job with the raffle and your sense of humor and beautiful assistant(!) added some great spirit to this task! So you are not being blamed at all! You followed the tradition and we ended up with way too many T-shirts to raffle! I believe Robert spent about $200 on raffle tickets, not for purpose of winning, but to support our club's treasury! So thank you and your assistants for a job well done! I personally like your suggestion for next year's raffle event and will leave in the hands of our board to fine tune and get it finalized! We all had comments about the event and personally speaking, not for criticism but for learning and improving going forward, I'm sure most will agree. Jack DeRyke's newsletter is amazing and I made sure to communicate that to Judy so she can share with Jack. I believe the majority of members and guests who were there enjoyed all the events, the POCA shops were great, seeing old friends and meeting new ones was my personal high light and Jay Leno's show was a very special event!... (Thank you Marshall and team). Our car was just fine tuned that week and we drove it and enjoyed the ride there and back tremendously! It will be so much better next year, wherever it may take place. When you have dates, please let us know to block it on our calendar! Especially if we have to fly there. Thank you again. Sent from Effie's iPad On May 30, 2016, at 6:41 PM, [7]mbglobalsc@aol.com wrote: Good evening ladies and everyone else on the forum, I would like to express some thoughts about the raffle during this past Fun Rally. As Vice President of POCA it is my responsibility to do many things as a Board member, but also be the Raffle Master at the Fun Rally. In reply to Laurie and Effie's postings, I agree that the raffle has considerable room for improvement. And even though this was my first POCA Raffle, I have been apart of many Car Shows and other big motor car related events that included a raffle, but didn't want to reinvent the proverbial wheel by changing anything about the way past POCA raffles have been run. As it turns out, there were quite a few things that could have helped make it run smoother. On the one hand I am proud that through my efforts in dealing with our vendors and my wife Chrissy spending four months hitting crafts fairs and sales ( her budget from POCA was challenging) and through the generosity of our vendors and many others, we were able to have almost $9,000.00 worth of raffle prizes. Unfortunately, if you were there, not many of the prizes were bigger ticket in value, instead averaging $25.00 to $40.00 including over 40 T-shirts on top of that. We did have a good showing of bigger value items in the $200.00 to $530.00 valuations. Even with a strong showing of raffle prizes and with lots of help from Chrissy, Joe Stockstt ( our POCA Secretary) Ed Mendez ( our POCA PR and Advertising lead) and even Michael Shortt ( our POCA President) and myself, the raffle went almost an hour and a half in a hot room (no air conditioning) after a full day, banquet and cocktails. In spite of all our efforts to move things along....I'm sure it seemed like the raffle that would never end! So, I will present a new plan for the Fun Rally Raffle to the POCA Board at our July meeting. It will include having a general raffle where tickets will be drawn hourly all day Saturday with winning numbers posted. Proposing to the Board that we use seed money from POCA to purchase not only some big ticket prizes ( TV, Blu-ray player and maybe a trip to harbor freight for useful tools gauges, etc. that we all could use) but maybe some other items of interest like gift cards ( of real value) or even plane tickets??? Who knows, it is all on the table and I am asking for all of you to give me some input with your ideas. Thanks, Mike Burnett VP POCA -----Original Message----- From: Effie Richards <[8]erichards@zogob.sdcoxmail.com> To: laurieferrari [9]laurieferrari@aol.com who Cc: detomaso <[10]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; detomaso <[11]detomaso@poca.com> Sent: Mon, May 30, 2016 5:21 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Laurie's vision of current topics (be warned ... long and tedious) Thank you so much for saying it so eloquently! Laurie's point of you is well laid out and she is a Pantera owner for years and years and a member of POCA for the same! I would like to agree with her proposed method of awarding the prizes as well. Other car shows do it the same way by posting winners ticket numbers and no one falls asleep. My husband ushered me out of the room halfway through. Although Mike Burnett had a great sense of humor while presenting the awards, after an hour or so, Robert could no longer stay awake. The food was not good, I agree, but that's not the organizers' fault, they did the best they could to give all all of us a good time. I would like to suggest that we have better organized run events next year, with maps, a front leader, a middle leader and a tail leader for those who were not able to make the traffic lights, like we offered when we hosted in San Diego 2 years ago. I think we all learned things from this experience and corrections/improvements will be made for next year's rally. No matter what, I hope to see mailings of the Profiles since my husband and others maybe, don't do email. Always remaining members of our POCA club, always! Sent from Effie's iPad the they've the podium list. 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Mike, nice to see you stepping up and getting ahead of this, with some good suggestions on how to improve the raffle. This is a case in point, where the savings that could be had if the newsletter did not have to be printed and mailed, part of those savings could be used to fund some of the more expensive raffle items you mentioned. Also, with the elimination of the newsletter printing and mailing expense, color graphics could be included at no expense to the club, improving that publication content and readibility. In addition, rather than thinking of raising the POCA membership fee, the savings would allow the club to reduce the membership fee, while offering an overall better product to it's customers, the POCA members.. In my opinion, for what it is worth, the trade off on discontinuing the printing and mailing of the newsletter versus an improved, more timely, and more efficient online delivery of the publication is obvious. The net affect, following the old business marketing axiom of the price elasticity of demand, would be to set the stage for POCA to attract more members, with the obvious affect of increasing the membership, thereby increasing revenue to continue to provide more value add to the membership as a whole, and spreading the "gospel" of the DeTomaso brand. One thing I believe is that underneath all the comments made about the direction the board is taking the club, is that everyone wants to improve the club, what it offers it's members, and expand the uniqueness the DeTomaso brand. Make no mistake, I have not agreed with certain aspects of the board's plans, more specifically discontinuing this email forum. I communicated that to the board and told them dropping ownership and support for the forum was a mistake. As in the case of "market demand" and the generous efforts of some very dedicated Pantera brethren, the forum was reconstituted. Who knows, maybe the club will decide in the future it should be included under it's banner. However, dropping this forum did not sway me from supporting the board's overall plan to improve the POCA membership experience. Given the premise that everyone wants their club to improve that experience, there comes a time to put aside one's personnel preferences, and to look at "the big picture" and what is in the best interest of the club and the DeTomaso brand. As before, peace to all my cat brethren, and a closing thought from Abraham Lincoln: "We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses." Dick koch - Atlanta On May 30, 2016 9:41 PM, "Mike Burnett via DeTomaso" < detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Good evening ladies and everyone else on the forum, I would like to express some thoughts about the
raffle during this past Fun Rally.
As Vice President of POCA it is my responsibility to do many things as a Board member, but also be
the Raffle Master at the Fun Rally.
In reply to Laurie and Effie's postings, I agree that the raffle has considerable room for improvement. And even though
this was my first POCA Raffle, I have been apart of many Car Shows and other big motor car related events that
included a raffle, but didn't want to reinvent the proverbial wheel by changing anything about the way past POCA raffles have been run. As it turns out, there were quite a few things that could have helped make it run smoother.
On the one hand I am proud that through my efforts in dealing with our vendors and my wife Chrissy
spending four months hitting crafts fairs and sales ( her budget from POCA was challenging) and through
the generosity of our vendors and many others, we were able to have almost $9,000.00 worth of raffle prizes.
Unfortunately, if you were there, not many of the prizes were bigger ticket in value, instead averaging $25.00
to $40.00 including over 40 T-shirts on top of that. We did have a good showing of bigger value items in the $200.00 to $530.00
valuations.
Even with a strong showing of raffle prizes and with lots of help from Chrissy, Joe Stockstt ( our POCA Secretary)
Ed Mendez ( our POCA PR and Advertising lead) and even Michael Shortt ( our POCA President) and myself, the raffle
went almost an hour and a half in a hot room (no air conditioning) after a full day, banquet and cocktails.
In spite of all our efforts to move things along....I'm sure it seemed like the raffle that would never end!
So, I will present a new plan for the Fun Rally Raffle to the POCA Board at our July meeting. It will include
having a general raffle where tickets will be drawn hourly all day Saturday with winning numbers posted.
Proposing to the Board that we use seed money from POCA to purchase not only some big ticket
prizes ( TV, Blu-ray player and maybe a trip to harbor freight for useful tools gauges, etc. that we all could use) but
maybe some other items of interest like gift cards ( of real value) or even plane tickets???
Who knows, it is all on the table and I am asking for all of you to give me some input with your ideas.
Thanks,
Mike Burnett
VP POCA
On May 30, 2016, at 2:14 AM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Hello out there in Pantera Email Forum Land. Huge thanks to Kurt as I am another who has always loved our communication in this way. For anyone who might be confused, just to be clear, I'm Laurie Basile/ aka Laurie Ferrari on here as that's my email name. I'm one in the same in case you are looking up any of my old postings in the archives, which I don't advise. I have some of my own thoughts on the new status of POCA. While there's no question that a stock, unmodified, unmolested Pantera is a rare and specially revered item, however the Pantera Club (POCA) and its Website is not to be confused with that same logic. The Club has needed modifications for far too long, most notably reconsideration of modernization and efforts to offer more to the members, and the opening of paths that were forever encumbered with roadblocks. I think the main beef of the many members/lurkers who have been complaining of late is due to the possible loss of the email forum. Yes? Or, some perhaps are not used to the no nonsense, energetic, assertive, personality of Michael Shortt. Well, as board meetings have been open to members I must say I was truly shocked at the rude and unprofessional demeanor of some of the oldest of Board Members. And those on here who are seeking fault and trying to paint a negative picture of the new direction of POCA, I say, if any of you are so touchy and hypersensitive, you'd not have been able to tolerate
myriads of posted comments through the years that could be considered the most non politically correct on here and greatest examples of taunts and tongue in cheek comments on everything from gayness, to racial and political insults, or the worst (personally offensive) the wing modifications on GT5 Panteras. ... Come on folks. What I see that is happening is that Mike Shortt's vision and those of the progressive Board members is one that many have begged for. That being one of a more professionally represented, respectable club (except for our more private, less respectable ramblings on here) one that's more of a Class Act rather than a knitting party, and more representative of the rarity and beauty of our cars, the wealth of knowledge and expertise of our members, and the generosity, helpfulness, and camaraderie of our people. I'd say Michael sees and is enacting, remember....with Board and Chapter Representative approval, a vision of the possibilities and potential of our organization to be more transparent as to the inner workings of major POCA decisions. Those in the know can not argue about the fact that this has been something sorely lacking in the past with regard to political issues, election fairness, and finances, i.e. comparative shopping for our needs, insurance, printing and so on. For the few to make suggestions or even comments that Mr. Shortt is a bigot or the usual gay comments from the peanut gallery.... shame on you! Those comments are just as untrue and inappropriate as
ever been on here. But we grin and bare it and realize any such past comments would never be posted if serious. Or those who make such comments can look up the definition of "Psychological transference." I personally think a "Thank You" is far more appropriate for all the time, effort, and changes Michael is trying to implement! When the word went out that races were wanted at the Fun Rally, the first thing I recall he did was make contact and plans for such. It's ridiculous and unacceptable for anyone to be rude and insulting to those doing their best to help us have a better organization. I recently renewed my membership which I feel would be great if it was reduced a bit in cost (as it used to be) as I'd like the option to get only the "Profiles Magazine" in print form.. the Newsletter is perfectly suited for an online reference... (again, my opinion) and which I seem to hear would save the club something like $26,000 a year. On our new POCA Website I am able to look up old articles in Profiles... especially enjoy the ease of being able to find ones about my car and me, issue 2010 #1, and my SSCC synopsis, in 2000, #3. That's a whole lot easier than searching my own computer room and closet filled with years old multi-curricular lesson plans and old publications from POCA, and three other car clubs. I really love the idea of these publications being available ON LINE; it is quite modern and convenient. Insofar as the survey regarding POCA's Fun Rally...As always there were goods and not so goods. The good, naturally, is getting to see and socialize with old friends and meet new ones. The bad is that the Plaza remains to be, not the most appealing of choices. I don't know about the new furnishings but I do know that the entire floor where the hospitality and banquet was held was covered in sheets over the construction and warnings of potential injury....I kind of felt early on that it'd be a good idea, as a few others, to opt to stay at the Golden Nugget. It's right across the street and very nice! As usual though, at our event, the hospitality room opportunity with all the Club stores was and is always great. The sessions, especially Scott Mead's photography session was more than excellent. The run to Mt. Charles was beautiful. I didn't have a car there so I was so grateful to Lori Drew who hooked me up with a ride with a super nice fellow from PCNC, Bayani; many thanks Bayani! The banquet food was something I'm unable to compare easily as to the awfulness compared to any past Fun Rally. The Plaza buffets were generally decent in the past, even used to get a bottle of red and white wine on each table, but something definitely went amiss this year. As I was seated at a table with Terry Himes (Mars' space scientist) and friends, the best way to describe
salmon was freeze dried and suitable (almost) as astronaut food. The water was undrinkable, maybe tainted with some alien creatures, toxic chemicals, or poisoned purposefully so people would buy liquor during the banquet. Dessert, can't comment, didn't try. The raffle... well that's yet another story! I've been the one in the past who once had the job of recruiting prizes for months, organizing the displays, getting everything to Vegas, and then announcing the prizes at the dinner and I vividly recall being reprimanded for how long it took to disseminate prizes at the banquet ... BUT...in good fairness to me, i took a fraction of what happened this year.. which was in ponderous tortoise-like, multi-hours long, motion, so much to the fact that I literally made up for the previous two nights of lost sleep. I mean really, for hundreds of prizes from a few really nice car related, down to insignificant, and each prize announced in humorous but mostly painful detail ... down to a slew of t-shirts, one by one... and then waiting for the comatose winner to notice or be nudged awake that he or she'd won and then have to walk what seemed like 3 blocks to the
to claim the prize... Good Lord! And I don't blame the presenter as I know what a difficult and commendable job this is.. it's the SYSTEM, not the person! I know many of you like to poke fun at the Corvette Clan but .... the way they've done raffles, at least the National ones, is to post a list of winning tickets #s and during the event, people go over periodically to see if they won, and get the prize from those in charge. Or those so inclined can stay at the prize area and watch the tickets being drawn. All the contributors are posted in advance and the donors are thanked and acknowledged on banners, signs, visuals, business cards, etc. There's always music and dancing and some sort of entertainment. We used to have music, karaoke, and entertainment. What happened??? So in conclusion, I like both the old (forum) and the new (POCA) and hope that people will be more cordial and appreciative of the efforts of Michael and those who work for us. Again much gratitude to Kurt and all involved for the Forum being alive and well. I am not in favor of the fact though that I very recently got a malicious malware bug that caused me to wipe out my entire computer... and start over, not saying it was from here.. BUT I've never had that problem before and I did have an excellent Internet security program installed. So I write with hopes that the risks are not found here! Can't leave without a big hello to Nathan of the North. Always great to hear from you and see your uplifting greetings. And to Bob Levitt...hope you remember me as I was out there on the Santa Monica pier to take pictures of you and your son upon your take off for the Gumball Cross Country race way back when. Still have them saved somewhere and they were on my former POCA album. Btw where are those albums? OK.... off and running and just might see lots of you at Pantera Palooza! Cheerio, Laurie _______________________________________________
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Mike, nice to see you stepping up and getting ahead of this, with some good suggestions on how to improve the raffle. This is a case in point, where the savings that could be had if the newsletter did not have to be printed and mailed, part of those savings could be used to fund some of the more expensive raffle items you mentioned. Also, with the elimination of the newsletter printing and mailing expense, color graphics could be included at no expense to the club, improving that publication content and readibility. In addition, rather than thinking of raising the POCA membership fee, the savings would allow the club to reduce the membership fee, while offering an overall better product to it's customers, the POCA members.. In my opinion, for what it is worth, the trade off on discontinuing the printing and mailing of the newsletter versus an improved, more timely, and more efficient online delivery of the publication is obvious. The net affect, following the old business marketing axiom of the price elasticity of demand, would be to set the stage for POCA to attract more members, with the obvious affect of increasing the membership, thereby increasing revenue to continue to provide more value add to the membership as a whole, and spreading the "gospel" of the DeTomaso brand. One thing I believe is that underneath all the comments made about the direction the board is taking the club, is that everyone wants to improve the club,A what it offers it's members, and expand the uniqueness the DeTomaso brand. Make no mistake, I have not agreed with certain aspects of the board's plans, more specifically discontinuing this email forum.A I communicated that to the board and told them dropping ownership and support for the forum was a mistake.A As in the case of "market demand" and the generous efforts of some very dedicated Pantera brethren, the forum was reconstituted. Who knows, maybe the club will decide in the future it should be included under it's banner. However, dropping this forum did not sway me from supporting the board's overall plan to improve the POCA membership experience. Given the premise that everyone wants their club to improve that experience, there comes a time to put aside one's personnel preferences, and to look at "the big picture" and what is in the best interest of the club and the DeTomaso brand. As before, peace to all my cat brethren, and a closing thought from Abraham Lincoln: "We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses." Dick koch - Atlanta On May 30, 2016 9:41 PM, "Mike Burnett via DeTomaso" <[1]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: A A Good evening ladies and everyone else on the forum, I would like to A A express some thoughts about the A A raffle during this past Fun Rally. A A As Vice President of POCA it is my responsibility to do many things as A A a Board member, but also be A A the Raffle Master at the Fun Rally. A A In reply to Laurie and Effie's postings, I agree that the raffle has A A considerable room for improvement. And even though A A this was my first POCA Raffle, I have been apart of many Car Shows and A A other big motor car related events that A A included a raffle, but didn't want to reinvent the proverbial wheel by A A changing anything about the way past POCA raffles have been run. As it A A turns out, there were quite a few things that could have helped make it A A run smoother. A A On the one hand I am proud that through my efforts in dealing with our A A vendors and my wife Chrissy A A spending four months hitting crafts fairs and sales ( her budget from A A POCA was challenging) and through A A the generosity of our vendors and many others, we were able to have A A almost $9,000.00 worth of raffle prizes. A A Unfortunately, if you were there, not many of the prizes were bigger A A ticket in value, instead averaging $25.00 A A to $40.00 including over 40 T-shirts on top of that. We did have a A A good showing of bigger value items in the $200.00 to $530.00 A A valuations. A A Even with a strong showing of raffle prizes and with lots of help from A A Chrissy, Joe Stockstt ( our POCA Secretary) A A Ed Mendez ( our POCA PR and Advertising lead) and even Michael Shortt ( A A our POCA President) and myself, the raffle A A went almost an hour and a half in a hot room (no air conditioning) A A after a full day, banquet and cocktails. A A In spite of all our efforts to move things along....I'm sure it seemed A A like the raffle that would never end! A A So, I will present a new plan for the Fun Rally Raffle to the POCA A A Board at our July meeting. It will include A A having a general raffle where tickets will be drawn hourly all day A A Saturday with winning numbers posted. A A Proposing to the Board that we use seed money from POCA to purchase not A A only some big ticket A A prizes ( TV, Blu-ray player and maybe a trip to harbor freight for A A useful tools gauges, etc. that we all could use) but A A maybe some other items of interest like gift cards ( of real value) or A A even plane tickets??? A A Who knows, it is all on the table and I am asking for all of you to A A give me some input with your ideas. A A Thanks, A A Mike Burnett A A VP POCA A A -----Original Message----- A A From: Effie Richards <[2]erichards@zogob.sdcoxmail.com> A A To: laurieferrari [1][3]laurieferrari@aol.com who A A Cc: detomaso <[4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; detomaso A A <[5]detomaso@poca.com> A A Sent: Mon, May 30, 2016 5:21 pm A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Laurie's vision of current topics (be warned A A ... long and tedious) A A Thank you so much for saying it so eloquently! Laurie's point of you is A A well laid out and she is a Pantera owner for years and years and a A A member of POCA for the same! A A I would like to agree with her proposed method of awarding the prizes A A as well. Other car shows do it the same way by posting winners ticket A A numbers and no one falls asleep. My husband ushered me out of the room A A halfway through. Although Mike Burnett had a great sense of humor while A A presenting the awards, after an hour or so, Robert could no longer stay A A awake. A A The food was not good, I agree, but that's not the organizers' fault, A A they did the best they could to give all all of us a good time. A A I would like to suggest that we have better organized run events next A A year, with maps, a front leader, a middle leader and a tail leader for A A those who were not able to make the traffic lights, like we offered A A when we hosted in San Diego 2 years ago. A A I think we all learned things from this experience and A A corrections/improvements will be made for next year's rally. A A No matter what, I hope to see mailings of the Profiles since my husband A A and others maybe, don't do email. A A Always remaining members of our POCA club, always! A A Sent from Effie's iPad A A > On May 30, 2016, at 2:14 AM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso A A <[2][6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: A A > A A > Hello out there in Pantera Email Forum Land. Huge thanks to Kurt as I A A > am another who has always loved our communication in this way. A A > For anyone who might be confused, just to be clear, I'm Laurie A A Basile/ A A > aka Laurie Ferrari on here as that's my email name. I'm one in the A A > same in case you are looking up any of my old postings in the A A archives, A A > which I don't advise. A A > I have some of my own thoughts on the new status of POCA. A A > While there's no question that a stock, unmodified, unmolested A A Pantera A A > is a rare and specially revered item, however the Pantera Club (POCA) A A > and its Website is not to be confused with that same logic. The Club A A > has needed modifications for far too long, most notably A A reconsideration A A > of modernization and efforts to offer more to the members, and the A A > opening of paths that were forever encumbered with roadblocks. A A > I think the main beef of the many members/lurkers who have been A A > complaining of late is due to the possible loss of the email forum. A A > Yes? Or, some perhaps are not used to the no nonsense, energetic, A A > assertive, personality of Michael Shortt. Well, as board meetings A A have A A > been open to members I must say I was truly shocked at the rude and A A > unprofessional demeanor of some of the oldest of Board Members. And A A > those on here who are seeking fault and trying to paint a negative A A > picture of the new direction of POCA, I say, if any of you are A A > so touchy and hypersensitive, you'd not have been able to tolerate A A the A A > myriads of posted comments through the years that could be considered A A > the most non politically correct on here and greatest examples of A A > taunts and tongue in cheek comments on everything from gayness, to A A > racial and political insults, or the worst (personally offensive) the A A > wing modifications on GT5 Panteras. ... Come on folks. What I see A A > that is happening is that Mike Shortt's vision and those of the A A > progressive Board members is one that many have begged for. That A A being A A > one of a more professionally represented, respectable club (except A A for A A > our more private, less respectable ramblings on here) one that's more A A > of a Class Act rather than a knitting party, and more representative A A of A A > the rarity and beauty of our cars, the wealth of knowledge A A > and expertise of our members, and the generosity, helpfulness, and A A > camaraderie of our people. I'd say Michael sees and is enacting, A A > remember....with Board and Chapter Representative approval, a vision A A of A A > the possibilities and potential of our organization to be more A A > transparent as to the inner workings of major POCA decisions. Those A A in A A > the know can not argue about the fact that this has been something A A > sorely lacking in the past with regard to political issues, election A A > fairness, and finances, i.e. comparative shopping for our needs, A A > insurance, printing and so on. A A > For the few to make suggestions or even comments that Mr. Shortt is a A A > bigot or the usual gay comments from the peanut gallery.... shame A A > on you! Those comments are just as untrue and inappropriate as A A they've A A > ever been on here. But we grin and bare it and realize any such past A A > comments would never be posted if serious. Or those who make such A A > comments can look up the definition of "Psychological transference." A A I A A > personally think a "Thank You" is far more appropriate for all the A A > time, effort, and changes Michael is trying to implement! When the A A word A A > went out that races were wanted at the Fun Rally, the first thing I A A > recall he did was make contact and plans for such. It's ridiculous A A and A A > unacceptable for anyone to be rude and insulting to those doing their A A > best to help us have a better organization. A A > I recently renewed my membership which I feel would be great if it A A was A A > reduced a bit in cost (as it used to be) as I'd like the option to A A get A A > only the "Profiles Magazine" in print form.. the Newsletter is A A > perfectly suited for an online reference... (again, my opinion) and A A > which I seem to hear would save the club something like $26,000 a A A > year. On our new POCA Website I am able to look up old articles in A A > Profiles... especially enjoy the ease of being able to find ones A A about A A > my car and me, issue 2010 #1, and my SSCC synopsis, in 2000, #3. A A That's A A > a whole lot easier than searching my own computer room and closet A A > filled with years old multi-curricular lesson plans and old A A > publications from POCA, and three other car clubs. I really love the A A > idea of these publications being available ON LINE; it is quite A A modern A A > and convenient. A A > Insofar as the survey regarding POCA's Fun Rally...As always there A A were A A > goods and not so goods. The good, naturally, is getting to see and A A > socialize with old friends and meet new ones. The bad is that the A A Plaza A A > remains to be, not the most appealing of choices. I don't know about A A > the new furnishings but I do know that the entire floor where the A A > hospitality and banquet was held was covered in sheets over the A A > construction and warnings of potential injury....I kind of felt early A A > on that it'd be a good idea, as a few others, to opt to stay at the A A > Golden Nugget. It's right across the street and very nice! As usual A A > though, at our event, the hospitality room opportunity with all the A A > Club stores was and is always great. The sessions, especially Scott A A > Mead's photography session was more than excellent. The run to Mt. A A > Charles was beautiful. I didn't have a car there so I was so grateful A A > to Lori Drew who hooked me up with a ride with a super nice fellow A A from A A > PCNC, Bayani; many thanks Bayani! The banquet food was something I'm A A > unable to compare easily as to the awfulness compared to any past Fun A A > Rally. The Plaza buffets were generally decent in the past, even used A A > to get a bottle of red and white wine on each table, but something A A > definitely went amiss this year. As I was seated at a table with A A Terry A A > Himes (Mars' space scientist) and friends, the best way to describe A A the A A > salmon was freeze dried and suitable (almost) as astronaut food. The A A > water was undrinkable, maybe tainted with some alien creatures, toxic A A > chemicals, or poisoned purposefully so people would buy liquor during A A > the banquet. Dessert, can't comment, didn't try. The raffle... well A A > that's yet another story! I've been the one in the past who once had A A > the job of recruiting prizes for months, organizing the displays, A A > getting everything to Vegas, and then announcing the prizes at A A > the dinner and I vividly recall being reprimanded for how long it A A took A A > to disseminate prizes at the banquet ... BUT...in good fairness to A A me, A A > i took a fraction of what happened this year.. which was in ponderous A A > tortoise-like, multi-hours long, motion, so much to the fact that I A A > literally made up for the previous two nights of lost sleep. I mean A A > really, for hundreds of prizes from a few really nice car related, A A > down to insignificant, and each prize announced in humorous but A A mostly A A > painful detail ... down to a slew of t-shirts, one by one... and then A A > waiting for the comatose winner to notice or be nudged awake that he A A or A A > she'd won and then have to walk what seemed like 3 blocks to the A A podium A A > to claim the prize... Good Lord! And I don't blame the presenter as I A A > know what a difficult and commendable job this is.. it's the SYSTEM, A A > not the person! I know many of you like to poke fun at the Corvette A A > Clan but .... the way they've done raffles, at least the National A A > ones, is to post a list of winning tickets #s and during the event, A A > people go over periodically to see if they won, and get the prize A A from A A > those in charge. Or those so inclined can stay at the prize area and A A > watch the tickets being drawn. All the contributors are posted in A A > advance and the donors are thanked and acknowledged on banners, A A signs, A A > visuals, business cards, etc. There's always music and dancing and A A > some sort of entertainment. We used to have music, karaoke, and A A > entertainment. What happened??? 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Thank you Dick for your thoughts, Let me clear up a misconception that refuses to die. The former email forum had been changed from @realbig.com to @poca.com at some some in the not too distant past. The new website is hosted and uses a base programming supplied by ClubExpress, this is software, security, et al that we could never afford as a stand alone club, not for 5,000, 10,000 or even 20,000. The website is not really located at www.poca.com, it lives at poca.clubexpress.com and www.poca.com merely points to it. Think of the website as property, it is a fixed thing at a fixed place, it is THERE, think of poca.com as a street sign that says poca.com, one can always go into a neighborhood and move all the street signs around 124 Pine street can become 123 Alpine street overnight, but the house is still where it always was. The email forum is not compatible with ClubExpress for lots of reasons, software, etc. The street sign can only point to one place, thus it points to the website. and not the email forum. Had the powers that be had left the email forum namen @realbig.com, this would never have been an issue. That's first and foremost why the email forum had to go away. If anybody owes the old email forum a debt of gratitude, it would be me, for after I left the club years ago, it was my only contact with Pantera owners. It was how everybody knew me and I seriously doubt that without being one of the top ten contributors for the last 7 years that I would have had the name recognition to be elected President. Now having also said that, let me also say that the email forum was not a friend to POCA, it was and remains a place of petty bickering, name calling and ignorance put forth by a few that makes the whole look bad. It always has attracted loudmouths and bullies and membership in the club suffered as a result. It was like have Cousin Eddie be the welcoming committee at the Country Club, after meeting him, very few people decided to venture inside. Cut to the present, with our name off the email forum, membership is growing at a rate the club has not seen in decades. The new website has a better forum that is everything the old one was not, nor could it ever be. All it needs is to be used by members, the email forum in its last week as poca.com had 27 users, more than half were non members, those that were members represented less than 2% of POCA's membership. New members in the last three weeks are 3x those members alone. It was a solid decision, it was a necessary decision, for the new website would not exist if the email forum still did. While it was picked up by somebody, even that was not done as agreed, the club honored it word and provided what was agreed upon, the new email list admin did not honor the agreement for its adoption. POCA is far better off without that forum in every measurable way, membership and civility being the most important. Michael Shortt On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Dick Koch <redcatman74@gmail.com> wrote:
Mike, nice to see you stepping up and getting ahead of this, with some good suggestions on how to improve the raffle.
This is a case in point, where the savings that could be had if the newsletter did not have to be printed and mailed, part of those savings could be used to fund some of the more expensive raffle items you mentioned.
Also, with the elimination of the newsletter printing and mailing expense, color graphics could be included at no expense to the club, improving that publication content and readibility.
In addition, rather than thinking of raising the POCA membership fee, the savings would allow the club to reduce the membership fee, while offering an overall better product to it's customers, the POCA members..
In my opinion, for what it is worth, the trade off on discontinuing the printing and mailing of the newsletter versus an improved, more timely, and more efficient online delivery of the publication is obvious.
The net affect, following the old business marketing axiom of the price elasticity of demand, would be to set the stage for POCA to attract more members, with the obvious affect of increasing the membership, thereby increasing revenue to continue to provide more value add to the membership as a whole, and spreading the "gospel" of the DeTomaso brand.
One thing I believe is that underneath all the comments made about the direction the board is taking the club, is that everyone wants to improve the club, what it offers it's members, and expand the uniqueness the DeTomaso brand.
Make no mistake, I have not agreed with certain aspects of the board's plans, more specifically discontinuing this email forum. I communicated that to the board and told them dropping ownership and support for the forum was a mistake.
As in the case of "market demand" and the generous efforts of some very dedicated Pantera brethren, the forum was reconstituted. Who knows, maybe the club will decide in the future it should be included under it's banner.
However, dropping this forum did not sway me from supporting the board's overall plan to improve the POCA membership experience.
Given the premise that everyone wants their club to improve that experience, there comes a time to put aside one's personnel preferences, and to look at "the big picture" and what is in the best interest of the club and the DeTomaso brand.
As before, peace to all my cat brethren, and a closing thought from Abraham Lincoln:
"We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses."
Dick koch - Atlanta
On May 30, 2016 9:41 PM, "Mike Burnett via DeTomaso" < detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Good evening ladies and everyone else on the forum, I would like to express some thoughts about the
raffle during this past Fun Rally.
As Vice President of POCA it is my responsibility to do many things as a Board member, but also be
the Raffle Master at the Fun Rally.
In reply to Laurie and Effie's postings, I agree that the raffle has considerable room for improvement. And even though
this was my first POCA Raffle, I have been apart of many Car Shows and other big motor car related events that
included a raffle, but didn't want to reinvent the proverbial wheel by changing anything about the way past POCA raffles have been run. As it turns out, there were quite a few things that could have helped make it run smoother.
On the one hand I am proud that through my efforts in dealing with our vendors and my wife Chrissy
spending four months hitting crafts fairs and sales ( her budget from POCA was challenging) and through
the generosity of our vendors and many others, we were able to have almost $9,000.00 worth of raffle prizes.
Unfortunately, if you were there, not many of the prizes were bigger ticket in value, instead averaging $25.00
to $40.00 including over 40 T-shirts on top of that. We did have a good showing of bigger value items in the $200.00 to $530.00
valuations.
Even with a strong showing of raffle prizes and with lots of help from Chrissy, Joe Stockstt ( our POCA Secretary)
Ed Mendez ( our POCA PR and Advertising lead) and even Michael Shortt ( our POCA President) and myself, the raffle
went almost an hour and a half in a hot room (no air conditioning) after a full day, banquet and cocktails.
In spite of all our efforts to move things along....I'm sure it seemed like the raffle that would never end!
So, I will present a new plan for the Fun Rally Raffle to the POCA Board at our July meeting. It will include
having a general raffle where tickets will be drawn hourly all day Saturday with winning numbers posted.
Proposing to the Board that we use seed money from POCA to purchase not only some big ticket
prizes ( TV, Blu-ray player and maybe a trip to harbor freight for useful tools gauges, etc. that we all could use) but
maybe some other items of interest like gift cards ( of real value) or even plane tickets???
Who knows, it is all on the table and I am asking for all of you to give me some input with your ideas.
Thanks,
Mike Burnett
VP POCA
On May 30, 2016, at 2:14 AM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Hello out there in Pantera Email Forum Land. Huge thanks to Kurt as I am another who has always loved our communication in this way. For anyone who might be confused, just to be clear, I'm Laurie Basile/ aka Laurie Ferrari on here as that's my email name. I'm one in the same in case you are looking up any of my old postings in the archives, which I don't advise. I have some of my own thoughts on the new status of POCA. While there's no question that a stock, unmodified, unmolested Pantera is a rare and specially revered item, however the Pantera Club (POCA) and its Website is not to be confused with that same logic. The Club has needed modifications for far too long, most notably reconsideration of modernization and efforts to offer more to the members, and the opening of paths that were forever encumbered with roadblocks. I think the main beef of the many members/lurkers who have been complaining of late is due to the possible loss of the email forum. Yes? Or, some perhaps are not used to the no nonsense, energetic, assertive, personality of Michael Shortt. Well, as board meetings have been open to members I must say I was truly shocked at the rude and unprofessional demeanor of some of the oldest of Board Members. And those on here who are seeking fault and trying to paint a negative picture of the new direction of POCA, I say, if any of you are so touchy and hypersensitive, you'd not have been able to tolerate
myriads of posted comments through the years that could be considered the most non politically correct on here and greatest examples of taunts and tongue in cheek comments on everything from gayness, to racial and political insults, or the worst (personally offensive) the wing modifications on GT5 Panteras. ... Come on folks. What I see that is happening is that Mike Shortt's vision and those of the progressive Board members is one that many have begged for. That being one of a more professionally represented, respectable club (except for our more private, less respectable ramblings on here) one that's more of a Class Act rather than a knitting party, and more representative of the rarity and beauty of our cars, the wealth of knowledge and expertise of our members, and the generosity, helpfulness, and camaraderie of our people. I'd say Michael sees and is enacting, remember....with Board and Chapter Representative approval, a vision of the possibilities and potential of our organization to be more transparent as to the inner workings of major POCA decisions. Those in the know can not argue about the fact that this has been something sorely lacking in the past with regard to political issues, election fairness, and finances, i.e. comparative shopping for our needs, insurance, printing and so on. For the few to make suggestions or even comments that Mr. Shortt is a bigot or the usual gay comments from the peanut gallery.... shame on you! Those comments are just as untrue and inappropriate as
ever been on here. But we grin and bare it and realize any such past comments would never be posted if serious. Or those who make such comments can look up the definition of "Psychological transference." I personally think a "Thank You" is far more appropriate for all the time, effort, and changes Michael is trying to implement! When the word went out that races were wanted at the Fun Rally, the first thing I recall he did was make contact and plans for such. It's ridiculous and unacceptable for anyone to be rude and insulting to those doing their best to help us have a better organization. I recently renewed my membership which I feel would be great if it was reduced a bit in cost (as it used to be) as I'd like the option to get only the "Profiles Magazine" in print form.. the Newsletter is perfectly suited for an online reference... (again, my opinion) and which I seem to hear would save the club something like $26,000 a year. On our new POCA Website I am able to look up old articles in Profiles... especially enjoy the ease of being able to find ones about my car and me, issue 2010 #1, and my SSCC synopsis, in 2000, #3. That's a whole lot easier than searching my own computer room and closet filled with years old multi-curricular lesson plans and old publications from POCA, and three other car clubs. I really love the idea of these publications being available ON LINE; it is quite modern and convenient. Insofar as the survey regarding POCA's Fun Rally...As always there were goods and not so goods. The good, naturally, is getting to see and socialize with old friends and meet new ones. The bad is that the Plaza remains to be, not the most appealing of choices. I don't know about the new furnishings but I do know that the entire floor where the hospitality and banquet was held was covered in sheets over the construction and warnings of potential injury....I kind of felt early on that it'd be a good idea, as a few others, to opt to stay at the Golden Nugget. It's right across the street and very nice! As usual though, at our event, the hospitality room opportunity with all the Club stores was and is always great. The sessions, especially Scott Mead's photography session was more than excellent. The run to Mt. Charles was beautiful. I didn't have a car there so I was so grateful to Lori Drew who hooked me up with a ride with a super nice fellow from PCNC, Bayani; many thanks Bayani! The banquet food was something I'm unable to compare easily as to the awfulness compared to any past Fun Rally. The Plaza buffets were generally decent in the past, even used to get a bottle of red and white wine on each table, but something definitely went amiss this year. As I was seated at a table with Terry Himes (Mars' space scientist) and friends, the best way to describe
salmon was freeze dried and suitable (almost) as astronaut food. The water was undrinkable, maybe tainted with some alien creatures, toxic chemicals, or poisoned purposefully so people would buy liquor during the banquet. Dessert, can't comment, didn't try. The raffle... well that's yet another story! I've been the one in the past who once had the job of recruiting prizes for months, organizing the displays, getting everything to Vegas, and then announcing the prizes at the dinner and I vividly recall being reprimanded for how long it took to disseminate prizes at the banquet ... BUT...in good fairness to me, i took a fraction of what happened this year.. which was in ponderous tortoise-like, multi-hours long, motion, so much to the fact that I literally made up for the previous two nights of lost sleep. I mean really, for hundreds of prizes from a few really nice car related, down to insignificant, and each prize announced in humorous but mostly painful detail ... down to a slew of t-shirts, one by one... and then waiting for the comatose winner to notice or be nudged awake that he or she'd won and then have to walk what seemed like 3 blocks to the
to claim the prize... Good Lord! And I don't blame the presenter as I know what a difficult and commendable job this is.. it's the SYSTEM, not the person! I know many of you like to poke fun at the Corvette Clan but .... the way they've done raffles, at least the National ones, is to post a list of winning tickets #s and during the event, people go over periodically to see if they won, and get the prize from those in charge. Or those so inclined can stay at the prize area and watch the tickets being drawn. All the contributors are posted in advance and the donors are thanked and acknowledged on banners, signs, visuals, business cards, etc. There's always music and dancing and some sort of entertainment. We used to have music, karaoke, and entertainment. What happened??? So in conclusion, I like both the old (forum) and the new (POCA) and hope that people will be more cordial and appreciative of the efforts of Michael and those who work for us. Again much gratitude to Kurt and all involved for the Forum being alive and well. I am not in favor of the fact though that I very recently got a malicious malware bug that caused me to wipe out my entire computer... and start over, not saying it was from here.. BUT I've never had that problem before and I did have an excellent Internet security program installed. So I write with hopes that the risks are not found here! Can't leave without a big hello to Nathan of the North. Always great to hear from you and see your uplifting greetings. And to Bob Levitt...hope you remember me as I was out there on the Santa Monica pier to take pictures of you and your son upon your take off for the Gumball Cross Country race way back when. Still have them saved somewhere and they were on my former POCA album. Btw where are those albums? OK.... off and running and just might see lots of you at Pantera Palooza! Cheerio, Laurie _______________________________________________
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-----Original Message----- From: Effie Richards <erichards@zogob.sdcoxmail.com> To: laurieferrari [1]laurieferrari@aol.com who Cc: detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; detomaso <detomaso@poca.com> Sent: Mon, May 30, 2016 5:21 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Laurie's vision of current topics (be warned ... long and tedious) Thank you so much for saying it so eloquently! Laurie's point of you is well laid out and she is a Pantera owner for years and years and a member of POCA for the same! I would like to agree with her proposed method of awarding the prizes as well. Other car shows do it the same way by posting winners ticket numbers and no one falls asleep. My husband ushered me out of the room halfway through. Although Mike Burnett had a great sense of humor while presenting the awards, after an hour or so, Robert could no longer stay awake. The food was not good, I agree, but that's not the organizers' fault, they did the best they could to give all all of us a good time. I would like to suggest that we have better organized run events next year, with maps, a front leader, a middle leader and a tail leader for those who were not able to make the traffic lights, like we offered when we hosted in San Diego 2 years ago. I think we all learned things from this experience and corrections/improvements will be made for next year's rally. No matter what, I hope to see mailings of the Profiles since my husband and others maybe, don't do email. Always remaining members of our POCA club, always! Sent from Effie's iPad the they've the podium list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
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-- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael@michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you Thank you Dick for your thoughts, Let me clear up a misconception that refuses to die. The former email forum had been changed from @[1]realbig.com to @[2]poca.comA at some some in the not too distant past. The new website is hosted and uses a base programming supplied by ClubExpress, this is software, security, et al that we could never afford as a stand alone club, not for 5,000, 10,000 or even 20,000. The website is not really located at [3]www.poca.com, it lives at [4]poca.clubexpress.com and [5]www.poca.com merely points to it. A Think of the website as property, it is a fixed thing at a fixed place, it is THERE, A think of [6]poca.com as a street sign that says [7]poca.com, A one can always go into a neighborhood and move all the street signs around 124 Pine street can become 123 Alpine street overnight, but the house is still where it always was. The email forum is not compatible with ClubExpress for lots of reasons, software, etc. The street sign can only point to one place, thus it points to the website. and not the email forum. Had the powers that be had left the email forum namen @[8]realbig.com, this would never have been an issue. That's first and foremost why the email forum had to go away. If anybody owes the old email forum a debt of gratitude, it would be me, for after I left the club years ago, it was my only contact with Pantera owners. It was how everybody knew me and I seriously doubt that without being one of the top ten contributors for the last 7 years that I would have had the name recognition to be elected President. Now having also said that, let me also say that the email forum was not a friend to POCA, it was and remains a place of petty bickering, name calling and ignorance put forth by a few that makes the whole look bad. It always has attracted loudmouths and bullies and membership in the club suffered as a result. It was like have Cousin Eddie be the welcoming committee at the Country Club, after meeting him, very few people decided to venture inside. Cut to the present, with our name off the email forum, membership is growing at a rate the club has not seen in decades. The new website has a better forum that is everything the old one was not, nor could it ever be. All it needs is to be used by members, the email forum in its last week as [9]poca.com had 27 users, more than half were non members, those that were members represented less than 2% of POCA's membership. New members in the last three weeks are 3x those members alone. It was a solid decision, it was a necessary decision, for the new website would not exist if the email forum still did. While it was picked up by somebody, even that was not done as agreed, the club honored it word and provided what was agreed upon, the new email list admin did not honor the agreement for its adoption. POCA is far better off without that forum in every measurable way, membership and civility being the most important. Michael Shortt On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Dick Koch <[10]redcatman74@gmail.com> wrote: Mike, nice to see you stepping up and getting ahead of this, with some good suggestions on how to improve the raffle. This is a case in point, where the savings that could be had if the newsletter did not have to be printed and mailed, part of those savings could be used to fund some of the more expensive raffle items you mentioned. Also, with the elimination of the newsletter printing and mailing expense, color graphics could be included at no expense to the club, improving that publication content and readibility. In addition, rather than thinking of raising the POCA membership fee, the savings would allow the club to reduce the membership fee, while offering an overall better product to it's customers, the POCA members.. In my opinion, for what it is worth, the trade off on discontinuing the printing and mailing of the newsletter versus an improved, more timely, and more efficient online delivery of the publication is obvious. The net affect, following the old business marketing axiom of the price elasticity of demand, would be to set the stage for POCA to attract more members, with the obvious affect of increasing the membership, thereby increasing revenue to continue to provide more value add to the membership as a whole, and spreading the "gospel" of the DeTomaso brand. One thing I believe is that underneath all the comments made about the direction the board is taking the club, is that everyone wants to improve the club,A what it offers it's members, and expand the uniqueness the DeTomaso brand. Make no mistake, I have not agreed with certain aspects of the board's plans, more specifically discontinuing this email forum.A I communicated that to the board and told them dropping ownership and support for the forum was a mistake.A As in the case of "market demand" and the generous efforts of some very dedicated Pantera brethren, the forum was reconstituted. Who knows, maybe the club will decide in the future it should be included under it's banner. However, dropping this forum did not sway me from supporting the board's overall plan to improve the POCA membership experience. Given the premise that everyone wants their club to improve that experience, there comes a time to put aside one's personnel preferences, and to look at "the big picture" and what is in the best interest of the club and the DeTomaso brand. As before, peace to all my cat brethren, and a closing thought from Abraham Lincoln: "We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses." Dick koch - Atlanta On May 30, 2016 9:41 PM, "Mike Burnett via DeTomaso" <[11]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: A A Good evening ladies and everyone else on the forum, I would like to A A express some thoughts about the A A raffle during this past Fun Rally. A A As Vice President of POCA it is my responsibility to do many things as A A a Board member, but also be A A the Raffle Master at the Fun Rally. A A In reply to Laurie and Effie's postings, I agree that the raffle has A A considerable room for improvement. And even though A A this was my first POCA Raffle, I have been apart of many Car Shows and A A other big motor car related events that A A included a raffle, but didn't want to reinvent the proverbial wheel by A A changing anything about the way past POCA raffles have been run. As it A A turns out, there were quite a few things that could have helped make it A A run smoother. A A On the one hand I am proud that through my efforts in dealing with our A A vendors and my wife Chrissy A A spending four months hitting crafts fairs and sales ( her budget from A A POCA was challenging) and through A A the generosity of our vendors and many others, we were able to have A A almost $9,000.00 worth of raffle prizes. A A Unfortunately, if you were there, not many of the prizes were bigger A A ticket in value, instead averaging $25.00 A A to $40.00 including over 40 T-shirts on top of that. We did have a A A good showing of bigger value items in the $200.00 to $530.00 A A valuations. A A Even with a strong showing of raffle prizes and with lots of help from A A Chrissy, Joe Stockstt ( our POCA Secretary) A A Ed Mendez ( our POCA PR and Advertising lead) and even Michael Shortt ( A A our POCA President) and myself, the raffle A A went almost an hour and a half in a hot room (no air conditioning) A A after a full day, banquet and cocktails. A A In spite of all our efforts to move things along....I'm sure it seemed A A like the raffle that would never end! A A So, I will present a new plan for the Fun Rally Raffle to the POCA A A Board at our July meeting. It will include A A having a general raffle where tickets will be drawn hourly all day A A Saturday with winning numbers posted. A A Proposing to the Board that we use seed money from POCA to purchase not A A only some big ticket A A prizes ( TV, Blu-ray player and maybe a trip to harbor freight for A A useful tools gauges, etc. that we all could use) but A A maybe some other items of interest like gift cards ( of real value) or A A even plane tickets??? A A Who knows, it is all on the table and I am asking for all of you to A A give me some input with your ideas. A A Thanks, A A Mike Burnett A A VP POCA A A -----Original Message----- A A From: Effie Richards <[12]erichards@zogob.sdcoxmail.com> A A To: laurieferrari [1][13]laurieferrari@aol.com who A A Cc: detomaso <[14]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; detomaso A A <[15]detomaso@poca.com> A A Sent: Mon, May 30, 2016 5:21 pm A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Laurie's vision of current topics (be warned A A ... long and tedious) A A Thank you so much for saying it so eloquently! Laurie's point of you is A A well laid out and she is a Pantera owner for years and years and a A A member of POCA for the same! A A I would like to agree with her proposed method of awarding the prizes A A as well. Other car shows do it the same way by posting winners ticket A A numbers and no one falls asleep. My husband ushered me out of the room A A halfway through. Although Mike Burnett had a great sense of humor while A A presenting the awards, after an hour or so, Robert could no longer stay A A awake. A A The food was not good, I agree, but that's not the organizers' fault, A A they did the best they could to give all all of us a good time. A A I would like to suggest that we have better organized run events next A A year, with maps, a front leader, a middle leader and a tail leader for A A those who were not able to make the traffic lights, like we offered A A when we hosted in San Diego 2 years ago. A A I think we all learned things from this experience and A A corrections/improvements will be made for next year's rally. A A No matter what, I hope to see mailings of the Profiles since my husband A A and others maybe, don't do email. A A Always remaining members of our POCA club, always! A A Sent from Effie's iPad A A > On May 30, 2016, at 2:14 AM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso A A <[2][16]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: A A > A A > Hello out there in Pantera Email Forum Land. Huge thanks to Kurt as I A A > am another who has always loved our communication in this way. A A > For anyone who might be confused, just to be clear, I'm Laurie A A Basile/ A A > aka Laurie Ferrari on here as that's my email name. I'm one in the A A > same in case you are looking up any of my old postings in the A A archives, A A > which I don't advise. A A > I have some of my own thoughts on the new status of POCA. A A > While there's no question that a stock, unmodified, unmolested A A Pantera A A > is a rare and specially revered item, however the Pantera Club (POCA) A A > and its Website is not to be confused with that same logic. The Club A A > has needed modifications for far too long, most notably A A reconsideration A A > of modernization and efforts to offer more to the members, and the A A > opening of paths that were forever encumbered with roadblocks. A A > I think the main beef of the many members/lurkers who have been A A > complaining of late is due to the possible loss of the email forum. A A > Yes? Or, some perhaps are not used to the no nonsense, energetic, A A > assertive, personality of Michael Shortt. Well, as board meetings A A have A A > been open to members I must say I was truly shocked at the rude and A A > unprofessional demeanor of some of the oldest of Board Members. And A A > those on here who are seeking fault and trying to paint a negative A A > picture of the new direction of POCA, I say, if any of you are A A > so touchy and hypersensitive, you'd not have been able to tolerate A A the A A > myriads of posted comments through the years that could be considered A A > the most non politically correct on here and greatest examples of A A > taunts and tongue in cheek comments on everything from gayness, to A A > racial and political insults, or the worst (personally offensive) the A A > wing modifications on GT5 Panteras. ... Come on folks. What I see A A > that is happening is that Mike Shortt's vision and those of the A A > progressive Board members is one that many have begged for. That A A being A A > one of a more professionally represented, respectable club (except A A for A A > our more private, less respectable ramblings on here) one that's more A A > of a Class Act rather than a knitting party, and more representative A A of A A > the rarity and beauty of our cars, the wealth of knowledge A A > and expertise of our members, and the generosity, helpfulness, and A A > camaraderie of our people. I'd say Michael sees and is enacting, A A > remember....with Board and Chapter Representative approval, a vision A A of A A > the possibilities and potential of our organization to be more A A > transparent as to the inner workings of major POCA decisions. Those A A in A A > the know can not argue about the fact that this has been something A A > sorely lacking in the past with regard to political issues, election A A > fairness, and finances, i.e. comparative shopping for our needs, A A > insurance, printing and so on. A A > For the few to make suggestions or even comments that Mr. Shortt is a A A > bigot or the usual gay comments from the peanut gallery.... shame A A > on you! Those comments are just as untrue and inappropriate as A A they've A A > ever been on here. But we grin and bare it and realize any such past A A > comments would never be posted if serious. Or those who make such A A > comments can look up the definition of "Psychological transference." A A I A A > personally think a "Thank You" is far more appropriate for all the A A > time, effort, and changes Michael is trying to implement! When the A A word A A > went out that races were wanted at the Fun Rally, the first thing I A A > recall he did was make contact and plans for such. It's ridiculous A A and A A > unacceptable for anyone to be rude and insulting to those doing their A A > best to help us have a better organization. A A > I recently renewed my membership which I feel would be great if it A A was A A > reduced a bit in cost (as it used to be) as I'd like the option to A A get A A > only the "Profiles Magazine" in print form.. the Newsletter is A A > perfectly suited for an online reference... (again, my opinion) and A A > which I seem to hear would save the club something like $26,000 a A A > year. On our new POCA Website I am able to look up old articles in A A > Profiles... especially enjoy the ease of being able to find ones A A about A A > my car and me, issue 2010 #1, and my SSCC synopsis, in 2000, #3. A A That's A A > a whole lot easier than searching my own computer room and closet A A > filled with years old multi-curricular lesson plans and old A A > publications from POCA, and three other car clubs. I really love the A A > idea of these publications being available ON LINE; it is quite A A modern A A > and convenient. A A > Insofar as the survey regarding POCA's Fun Rally...As always there A A were A A > goods and not so goods. The good, naturally, is getting to see and A A > socialize with old friends and meet new ones. The bad is that the A A Plaza A A > remains to be, not the most appealing of choices. I don't know about A A > the new furnishings but I do know that the entire floor where the A A > hospitality and banquet was held was covered in sheets over the A A > construction and warnings of potential injury....I kind of felt early A A > on that it'd be a good idea, as a few others, to opt to stay at the A A > Golden Nugget. It's right across the street and very nice! As usual A A > though, at our event, the hospitality room opportunity with all the A A > Club stores was and is always great. The sessions, especially Scott A A > Mead's photography session was more than excellent. The run to Mt. A A > Charles was beautiful. I didn't have a car there so I was so grateful A A > to Lori Drew who hooked me up with a ride with a super nice fellow A A from A A > PCNC, Bayani; many thanks Bayani! The banquet food was something I'm A A > unable to compare easily as to the awfulness compared to any past Fun A A > Rally. The Plaza buffets were generally decent in the past, even used A A > to get a bottle of red and white wine on each table, but something A A > definitely went amiss this year. As I was seated at a table with A A Terry A A > Himes (Mars' space scientist) and friends, the best way to describe A A the A A > salmon was freeze dried and suitable (almost) as astronaut food. The A A > water was undrinkable, maybe tainted with some alien creatures, toxic A A > chemicals, or poisoned purposefully so people would buy liquor during A A > the banquet. Dessert, can't comment, didn't try. The raffle... well A A > that's yet another story! I've been the one in the past who once had A A > the job of recruiting prizes for months, organizing the displays, A A > getting everything to Vegas, and then announcing the prizes at A A > the dinner and I vividly recall being reprimanded for how long it A A took A A > to disseminate prizes at the banquet ... BUT...in good fairness to A A me, A A > i took a fraction of what happened this year.. which was in ponderous A A > tortoise-like, multi-hours long, motion, so much to the fact that I A A > literally made up for the previous two nights of lost sleep. I mean A A > really, for hundreds of prizes from a few really nice car related, A A > down to insignificant, and each prize announced in humorous but A A mostly A A > painful detail ... down to a slew of t-shirts, one by one... and then A A > waiting for the comatose winner to notice or be nudged awake that he A A or A A > she'd won and then have to walk what seemed like 3 blocks to the A A podium A A > to claim the prize... Good Lord! And I don't blame the presenter as I A A > know what a difficult and commendable job this is.. it's the SYSTEM, A A > not the person! I know many of you like to poke fun at the Corvette A A > Clan but .... the way they've done raffles, at least the National A A > ones, is to post a list of winning tickets #s and during the event, A A > people go over periodically to see if they won, and get the prize A A from A A > those in charge. Or those so inclined can stay at the prize area and A A > watch the tickets being drawn. All the contributors are posted in A A > advance and the donors are thanked and acknowledged on banners, A A signs, A A > visuals, business cards, etc. There's always music and dancing and A A > some sort of entertainment. We used to have music, karaoke, and A A > entertainment. What happened??? A A > So in conclusion, I like both the old (forum) and the new (POCA) and A A > hope that people will be more cordial and appreciative of the efforts A A > of Michael and those who work for us. A A > Again much gratitude to Kurt and all involved for the Forum being A A alive A A > and well. I am not in favor of the fact though that I very recently A A > got a malicious malware bug that caused me to wipe out my A A > entire computer... and start over, not saying it was from here.. BUT A A > I've never had that problem before and I did have an excellent A A Internet A A > security program installed. So I write with hopes that the risks are A A > not found here! A A > Can't leave without a big hello to Nathan of the North. Always A A > great to hear from you and see your uplifting greetings. 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Let me clear up some clear up ... The email-based forum was setup years ago by Any Polling on a server he owned (realbig.com). This forum is not and never was a POCA forum. It was always open to everyone. After many years, Andy moved on to other things. Asa Jay stepped up to maintain the forum along with his volunteer work on the POCA Store which he did for many years. (A big thanks to Asa Jay and Andy for their many years of daily work on it.) POCA also stepped up by contributing hosting services on the poca.com server, hence the name change from @realbig.com to @poca.com. We set up a modern web forum on poca.com, but it never got much traction. Most people prefer getting email delivery over having to go to a web site. Those that prefer web sites were already well established on the PI web forum. As far as the printer issue -- we have been down that road a few times over the years with a few different printers. There is much more to printing than just putting ink on paper. The printer needs to layout the pages for printing, assemble the printed pages in the right order, not lose any pages on any copy, staple/bind, ingest our mailing address list into their computers, create the labels, attach labels, and get everything to their local post office on time. Much of the work a printer does is not in the ink to paper step, so much of that work is a fixed cost that does not change much with print volume. If some members opt for electronic delivery, there is not that much of a total cost reduction. Jack and Mike have run the numbers with various printers. They may be able to add some details. As with everything else in life, a high price does not guarantee good production/service, but a low price usually does lead to problems. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Michael Shortt" <michaelsavga@gmail.com> To: "Dick Koch" <redcatman74@gmail.com> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; "detomaso@poca.com" <detomaso@poca.com>; "LaurieFerrari@aol.com" <laurieferrari@aol.com> Sent: 5/31/2016 8:21:55 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Laurie's vision of current topics (be warned ... long and tedious)
Thank you Dick for your thoughts,
Let me clear up a misconception that refuses to die.
The former email forum had been changed from @realbig.com to @poca.com
at some some in the not too distant past.
The new website is hosted and uses a base programming supplied by ClubExpress,
this is software, security, et al that we could never afford as a stand alone club,
not for 5,000, 10,000 or even 20,000.
The website is not really located at www.poca.com, it lives at poca.clubexpress.com
and www.poca.com merely points to it. Think of the website as property,
it is a fixed thing at a fixed place, it is THERE, think of poca.com as a street sign that says
poca.com, one can always go into a neighborhood and move all the street signs around
124 Pine street can become 123 Alpine street overnight, but the house is still where it always was.
The email forum is not compatible with ClubExpress for lots of reasons, software, etc.
The street sign can only point to one place, thus it points to the website.
and not the email forum.
Had the powers that be had left the email forum namen @realbig.com, this would never have been an issue.
That's first and foremost why the email forum had to go away.
If anybody owes the old email forum a debt of gratitude, it would be me, for after I left the club years ago,
it was my only contact with Pantera owners.
It was how everybody knew me and I seriously doubt that without being one of the top ten contributors
for the last 7 years that I would have had the name recognition to be elected President.
Now having also said that, let me also say that the email forum was not a friend to POCA, it was and remains
a place of petty bickering, name calling and ignorance put forth by a few that makes the whole look bad.
It always has attracted loudmouths and bullies and membership in the club suffered as a result.
It was like have Cousin Eddie be the welcoming committee at the Country Club, after meeting him,
very few people decided to venture inside.
Cut to the present, with our name off the email forum, membership is growing at a rate the club has not seen
in decades.
The new website has a better forum that is everything the old one was not, nor could it ever be.
All it needs is to be used by members, the email forum in its last week as poca.com had 27 users,
more than half were non members, those that were members represented less than 2% of POCA's membership.
New members in the last three weeks are 3x those members alone.
It was a solid decision, it was a necessary decision, for the new website would not exist if the email forum still did.
While it was picked up by somebody, even that was not done as agreed, the club honored it word and provided
what was agreed upon, the new email list admin did not honor the agreement for its adoption.
POCA is far better off without that forum in every measurable way, membership and civility being the most important.
Michael Shortt
On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Dick Koch <redcatman74@gmail.com> wrote:
Mike, nice to see you stepping up and getting ahead of this, with some good suggestions on how to improve the raffle.
This is a case in point, where the savings that could be had if the newsletter did not have to be printed and mailed, part of those savings could be used to fund some of the more expensive raffle items you mentioned.
Also, with the elimination of the newsletter printing and mailing expense, color graphics could be included at no expense to the club, improving that publication content and readibility.
In addition, rather than thinking of raising the POCA membership fee, the savings would allow the club to reduce the membership fee, while offering an overall better product to it's customers, the POCA members..
In my opinion, for what it is worth, the trade off on discontinuing the printing and mailing of the newsletter versus an improved, more timely, and more efficient online delivery of the publication is obvious.
The net affect, following the old business marketing axiom of the price elasticity of demand, would be to set the stage for POCA to attract more members, with the obvious affect of increasing the membership, thereby increasing revenue to continue to provide more value add to the membership as a whole, and spreading the "gospel" of the DeTomaso brand.
One thing I believe is that underneath all the comments made about the direction the board is taking the club, is that everyone wants to improve the club, what it offers it's members, and expand the uniqueness the DeTomaso brand.
Make no mistake, I have not agreed with certain aspects of the board's plans, more specifically discontinuing this email forum. I communicated that to the board and told them dropping ownership and support for the forum was a mistake.
As in the case of "market demand" and the generous efforts of some very dedicated Pantera brethren, the forum was reconstituted. Who knows, maybe the club will decide in the future it should be included under it's banner.
However, dropping this forum did not sway me from supporting the board's overall plan to improve the POCA membership experience.
Given the premise that everyone wants their club to improve that experience, there comes a time to put aside one's personnel preferences, and to look at "the big picture" and what is in the best interest of the club and the DeTomaso brand.
As before, peace to all my cat brethren, and a closing thought from Abraham Lincoln:
"We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses."
Dick koch - Atlanta
On May 30, 2016 9:41 PM, "Mike Burnett via DeTomaso" < detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Good evening ladies and everyone else on the forum, I would like to express some thoughts about the
raffle during this past Fun Rally.
As Vice President of POCA it is my responsibility to do many things as a Board member, but also be
the Raffle Master at the Fun Rally.
In reply to Laurie and Effie's postings, I agree that the raffle has considerable room for improvement. And even though
this was my first POCA Raffle, I have been apart of many Car Shows and other big motor car related events that
included a raffle, but didn't want to reinvent the proverbial wheel by changing anything about the way past POCA raffles have been run. As it turns out, there were quite a few things that could have helped make it run smoother.
On the one hand I am proud that through my efforts in dealing with our vendors and my wife Chrissy
spending four months hitting crafts fairs and sales ( her budget from POCA was challenging) and through
the generosity of our vendors and many others, we were able to have almost $9,000.00 worth of raffle prizes.
Unfortunately, if you were there, not many of the prizes were bigger ticket in value, instead averaging $25.00
to $40.00 including over 40 T-shirts on top of that. We did have a good showing of bigger value items in the $200.00 to $530.00
valuations.
Even with a strong showing of raffle prizes and with lots of help from Chrissy, Joe Stockstt ( our POCA Secretary)
Ed Mendez ( our POCA PR and Advertising lead) and even Michael Shortt ( our POCA President) and myself, the raffle
went almost an hour and a half in a hot room (no air conditioning) after a full day, banquet and cocktails.
In spite of all our efforts to move things along....I'm sure it seemed like the raffle that would never end!
So, I will present a new plan for the Fun Rally Raffle to the POCA Board at our July meeting. It will include
having a general raffle where tickets will be drawn hourly all day Saturday with winning numbers posted.
Proposing to the Board that we use seed money from POCA to purchase not only some big ticket
prizes ( TV, Blu-ray player and maybe a trip to harbor freight for useful tools gauges, etc. that we all could use) but
maybe some other items of interest like gift cards ( of real value) or even plane tickets???
Who knows, it is all on the table and I am asking for all of you to give me some input with your ideas.
Thanks,
Mike Burnett
VP POCA
-----Original Message----- From: Effie Richards <erichards@zogob.sdcoxmail.com> To: laurieferrari [1]laurieferrari@aol.com who Cc: detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; detomaso <detomaso@poca.com> Sent: Mon, May 30, 2016 5:21 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Laurie's vision of current topics (be warned ... long and tedious) Thank you so much for saying it so eloquently! Laurie's point of you is well laid out and she is a Pantera owner for years and years and a member of POCA for the same! I would like to agree with her proposed method of awarding the prizes as well. Other car shows do it the same way by posting winners ticket numbers and no one falls asleep. My husband ushered me out of the room halfway through. Although Mike Burnett had a great sense of humor while presenting the awards, after an hour or so, Robert could no longer stay awake. The food was not good, I agree, but that's not the organizers' fault, they did the best they could to give all all of us a good time. I would like to suggest that we have better organized run events next year, with maps, a front leader, a middle leader and a tail leader for those who were not able to make the traffic lights, like we offered when we hosted in San Diego 2 years ago. I think we all learned things from this experience and corrections/improvements will be made for next year's rally. No matter what, I hope to see mailings of the Profiles since my husband and others maybe, don't do email. Always remaining members of our POCA club, always! Sent from Effie's iPad > On May 30, 2016, at 2:14 AM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > > Hello out there in Pantera Email Forum Land. Huge thanks to Kurt as I > am another who has always loved our communication in this way. > For anyone who might be confused, just to be clear, I'm Laurie Basile/ > aka Laurie Ferrari on here as that's my email name. I'm one in the > same in case you are looking up any of my old postings in the archives, > which I don't advise. > I have some of my own thoughts on the new status of POCA. > While there's no question that a stock, unmodified, unmolested Pantera > is a rare and specially revered item, however the Pantera Club (POCA) > and its Website is not to be confused with that same logic. The Club > has needed modifications for far too long, most notably reconsideration > of modernization and efforts to offer more to the members, and the > opening of paths that were forever encumbered with roadblocks. > I think the main beef of the many members/lurkers who have been > complaining of late is due to the possible loss of the email forum. > Yes? Or, some perhaps are not used to the no nonsense, energetic, > assertive, personality of Michael Shortt. Well, as board meetings have > been open to members I must say I was truly shocked at the rude and > unprofessional demeanor of some of the oldest of Board Members. And > those on here who are seeking fault and trying to paint a negative > picture of the new direction of POCA, I say, if any of you are > so touchy and hypersensitive, you'd not have been able to tolerate the > myriads of posted comments through the years that could be considered > the most non politically correct on here and greatest examples of > taunts and tongue in cheek comments on everything from gayness, to > racial and political insults, or the worst (personally offensive) the > wing modifications on GT5 Panteras. ... Come on folks. What I see > that is happening is that Mike Shortt's vision and those of the > progressive Board members is one that many have begged for. That being > one of a more professionally represented, respectable club (except for > our more private, less respectable ramblings on here) one that's more > of a Class Act rather than a knitting party, and more representative of > the rarity and beauty of our cars, the wealth of knowledge > and expertise of our members, and the generosity, helpfulness, and > camaraderie of our people. I'd say Michael sees and is enacting, > remember....with Board and Chapter Representative approval, a vision of > the possibilities and potential of our organization to be more > transparent as to the inner workings of major POCA decisions. Those in > the know can not argue about the fact that this has been something > sorely lacking in the past with regard to political issues, election > fairness, and finances, i.e. comparative shopping for our needs, > insurance, printing and so on. > For the few to make suggestions or even comments that Mr. Shortt is a > bigot or the usual gay comments from the peanut gallery.... shame > on you! Those comments are just as untrue and inappropriate as they've > ever been on here. But we grin and bare it and realize any such past > comments would never be posted if serious. Or those who make such > comments can look up the definition of "Psychological transference." I > personally think a "Thank You" is far more appropriate for all the > time, effort, and changes Michael is trying to implement! When the word > went out that races were wanted at the Fun Rally, the first thing I > recall he did was make contact and plans for such. It's ridiculous and > unacceptable for anyone to be rude and insulting to those doing their > best to help us have a better organization. > I recently renewed my membership which I feel would be great if it was > reduced a bit in cost (as it used to be) as I'd like the option to get > only the "Profiles Magazine" in print form.. the Newsletter is > perfectly suited for an online reference... (again, my opinion) and > which I seem to hear would save the club something like $26,000 a > year. On our new POCA Website I am able to look up old articles in > Profiles... especially enjoy the ease of being able to find ones about > my car and me, issue 2010 #1, and my SSCC synopsis, in 2000, #3. That's > a whole lot easier than searching my own computer room and closet > filled with years old multi-curricular lesson plans and old > publications from POCA, and three other car clubs. I really love the > idea of these publications being available ON LINE; it is quite modern > and convenient. > Insofar as the survey regarding POCA's Fun Rally...As always there were > goods and not so goods. The good, naturally, is getting to see and > socialize with old friends and meet new ones. The bad is that the Plaza > remains to be, not the most appealing of choices. I don't know about > the new furnishings but I do know that the entire floor where the > hospitality and banquet was held was covered in sheets over the > construction and warnings of potential injury....I kind of felt early > on that it'd be a good idea, as a few others, to opt to stay at the > Golden Nugget. It's right across the street and very nice! As usual > though, at our event, the hospitality room opportunity with all the > Club stores was and is always great. The sessions, especially Scott > Mead's photography session was more than excellent. The run to Mt. > Charles was beautiful. I didn't have a car there so I was so grateful > to Lori Drew who hooked me up with a ride with a super nice fellow from > PCNC, Bayani; many thanks Bayani! The banquet food was something I'm > unable to compare easily as to the awfulness compared to any past Fun > Rally. The Plaza buffets were generally decent in the past, even used > to get a bottle of red and white wine on each table, but something > definitely went amiss this year. As I was seated at a table with Terry > Himes (Mars' space scientist) and friends, the best way to describe the > salmon was freeze dried and suitable (almost) as astronaut food. The > water was undrinkable, maybe tainted with some alien creatures, toxic > chemicals, or poisoned purposefully so people would buy liquor during > the banquet. Dessert, can't comment, didn't try. The raffle... well > that's yet another story! I've been the one in the past who once had > the job of recruiting prizes for months, organizing the displays, > getting everything to Vegas, and then announcing the prizes at > the dinner and I vividly recall being reprimanded for how long it took > to disseminate prizes at the banquet ... BUT...in good fairness to me, > i took a fraction of what happened this year.. which was in ponderous > tortoise-like, multi-hours long, motion, so much to the fact that I > literally made up for the previous two nights of lost sleep. I mean > really, for hundreds of prizes from a few really nice car related, > down to insignificant, and each prize announced in humorous but mostly > painful detail ... down to a slew of t-shirts, one by one... and then > waiting for the comatose winner to notice or be nudged awake that he or > she'd won and then have to walk what seemed like 3 blocks to the podium > to claim the prize... Good Lord! And I don't blame the presenter as I > know what a difficult and commendable job this is.. it's the SYSTEM, > not the person! I know many of you like to poke fun at the Corvette > Clan but .... the way they've done raffles, at least the National > ones, is to post a list of winning tickets #s and during the event, > people go over periodically to see if they won, and get the prize from > those in charge. Or those so inclined can stay at the prize area and > watch the tickets being drawn. All the contributors are posted in > advance and the donors are thanked and acknowledged on banners, signs, > visuals, business cards, etc. There's always music and dancing and > some sort of entertainment. We used to have music, karaoke, and > entertainment. What happened??? > So in conclusion, I like both the old (forum) and the new (POCA) and > hope that people will be more cordial and appreciative of the efforts > of Michael and those who work for us. > Again much gratitude to Kurt and all involved for the Forum being alive > and well. I am not in favor of the fact though that I very recently > got a malicious malware bug that caused me to wipe out my > entire computer... and start over, not saying it was from here.. BUT > I've never had that problem before and I did have an excellent Internet > security program installed. So I write with hopes that the risks are > not found here! > Can't leave without a big hello to Nathan of the North. Always > great to hear from you and see your uplifting greetings. And to Bob > Levitt...hope you remember me as I was out there on the Santa Monica > pier to take pictures of you and your son upon your take > off for the Gumball Cross Country race way back when. Still have them > saved somewhere and they were on my former POCA album. Btw where are > those albums? > OK.... off and running and just might see lots of you at Pantera > Palooza! > Cheerio, > Laurie > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [3]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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“The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten” – Benjamin Franklin IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: msm@portata.com [mailto:msm@portata.com] Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:30 PM To: Michael Shortt; Dick Koch Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com; detomaso@poca.com; LaurieFerrari@aol.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Laurie's vision of current topics (be warned ... long and tedious) Let me clear up some clear up ... The email-based forum was setup years ago by Any Polling on a server he owned (realbig.com). This forum is not and never was a POCA forum. It was always open to everyone. After many years, Andy moved on to other things. Asa Jay stepped up to maintain the forum along with his volunteer work on the POCA Store which he did for many years. (A big thanks to Asa Jay and Andy for their many years of daily work on it.) POCA also stepped up by contributing hosting services on the poca.com server, hence the name change from @realbig.com to @poca.com. We set up a modern web forum on poca.com, but it never got much traction. Most people prefer getting email delivery over having to go to a web site. Those that prefer web sites were already well established on the PI web forum. As far as the printer issue -- we have been down that road a few times over the years with a few different printers. There is much more to printing than just putting ink on paper. The printer needs to layout the pages for printing, assemble the printed pages in the right order, not lose any pages on any copy, staple/bind, ingest our mailing address list into their computers, create the labels, attach labels, and get everything to their local post office on time. Much of the work a printer does is not in the ink to paper step, so much of that work is a fixed cost that does not change much with print volume. If some members opt for electronic delivery, there is not that much of a total cost reduction. Jack and Mike have run the numbers with various printers. They may be able to add some details. As with everything else in life, a high price does not guarantee good production/service, but a low price usually does lead to problems. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Michael Shortt" <michaelsavga@gmail.com> To: "Dick Koch" <redcatman74@gmail.com> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; "detomaso@poca.com" <detomaso@poca.com>; "LaurieFerrari@aol.com" <laurieferrari@aol.com> Sent: 5/31/2016 8:21:55 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Laurie's vision of current topics (be warned ... long and tedious)
Thank you Dick for your thoughts,
Let me clear up a misconception that refuses to die.
The former email forum had been changed from @realbig.com to @poca.com
at some some in the not too distant past.
The new website is hosted and uses a base programming supplied by ClubExpress,
this is software, security, et al that we could never afford as a stand alone club,
not for 5,000, 10,000 or even 20,000.
The website is not really located at www.poca.com, it lives at poca.clubexpress.com
and www.poca.com merely points to it. Think of the website as property,
it is a fixed thing at a fixed place, it is THERE, think of poca.com as a street sign that says
poca.com, one can always go into a neighborhood and move all the street signs around
124 Pine street can become 123 Alpine street overnight, but the house is still where it always was.
The email forum is not compatible with ClubExpress for lots of reasons, software, etc.
The street sign can only point to one place, thus it points to the website.
and not the email forum.
Had the powers that be had left the email forum namen @realbig.com, this would never have been an issue.
That's first and foremost why the email forum had to go away.
If anybody owes the old email forum a debt of gratitude, it would be me, for after I left the club years ago,
it was my only contact with Pantera owners.
It was how everybody knew me and I seriously doubt that without being one of the top ten contributors
for the last 7 years that I would have had the name recognition to be elected President.
Now having also said that, let me also say that the email forum was not a friend to POCA, it was and remains
a place of petty bickering, name calling and ignorance put forth by a few that makes the whole look bad.
It always has attracted loudmouths and bullies and membership in the club suffered as a result.
It was like have Cousin Eddie be the welcoming committee at the Country Club, after meeting him,
very few people decided to venture inside.
Cut to the present, with our name off the email forum, membership is growing at a rate the club has not seen
in decades.
The new website has a better forum that is everything the old one was not, nor could it ever be.
All it needs is to be used by members, the email forum in its last week as poca.com had 27 users,
more than half were non members, those that were members represented less than 2% of POCA's membership.
New members in the last three weeks are 3x those members alone.
It was a solid decision, it was a necessary decision, for the new website would not exist if the email forum still did.
While it was picked up by somebody, even that was not done as agreed, the club honored it word and provided
what was agreed upon, the new email list admin did not honor the agreement for its adoption.
POCA is far better off without that forum in every measurable way, membership and civility being the most important.
Michael Shortt
On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Dick Koch <redcatman74@gmail.com> wrote:
Mike, nice to see you stepping up and getting ahead of this, with some good suggestions on how to improve the raffle.
This is a case in point, where the savings that could be had if the newsletter did not have to be printed and mailed, part of those savings could be used to fund some of the more expensive raffle items you mentioned.
Also, with the elimination of the newsletter printing and mailing expense, color graphics could be included at no expense to the club, improving that publication content and readibility.
In addition, rather than thinking of raising the POCA membership fee, the savings would allow the club to reduce the membership fee, while offering an overall better product to it's customers, the POCA members..
In my opinion, for what it is worth, the trade off on discontinuing the printing and mailing of the newsletter versus an improved, more timely, and more efficient online delivery of the publication is obvious.
The net affect, following the old business marketing axiom of the price elasticity of demand, would be to set the stage for POCA to attract more members, with the obvious affect of increasing the membership, thereby increasing revenue to continue to provide more value add to the membership as a whole, and spreading the "gospel" of the DeTomaso brand.
One thing I believe is that underneath all the comments made about the direction the board is taking the club, is that everyone wants to improve the club, what it offers it's members, and expand the uniqueness the DeTomaso brand.
Make no mistake, I have not agreed with certain aspects of the board's plans, more specifically discontinuing this email forum. I communicated that to the board and told them dropping ownership and support for the forum was a mistake.
As in the case of "market demand" and the generous efforts of some very dedicated Pantera brethren, the forum was reconstituted. Who knows, maybe the club will decide in the future it should be included under it's banner.
However, dropping this forum did not sway me from supporting the board's overall plan to improve the POCA membership experience.
Given the premise that everyone wants their club to improve that experience, there comes a time to put aside one's personnel preferences, and to look at "the big picture" and what is in the best interest of the club and the DeTomaso brand.
As before, peace to all my cat brethren, and a closing thought from Abraham Lincoln:
"We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses."
Dick koch - Atlanta
On May 30, 2016 9:41 PM, "Mike Burnett via DeTomaso" < detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Good evening ladies and everyone else on the forum, I would like to express some thoughts about the
raffle during this past Fun Rally.
As Vice President of POCA it is my responsibility to do many things as a Board member, but also be
the Raffle Master at the Fun Rally.
In reply to Laurie and Effie's postings, I agree that the raffle has considerable room for improvement. And even though
this was my first POCA Raffle, I have been apart of many Car Shows and other big motor car related events that
included a raffle, but didn't want to reinvent the proverbial wheel by changing anything about the way past POCA raffles have been run. As it turns out, there were quite a few things that could have helped make it run smoother.
On the one hand I am proud that through my efforts in dealing with our vendors and my wife Chrissy
spending four months hitting crafts fairs and sales ( her budget from POCA was challenging) and through
the generosity of our vendors and many others, we were able to have almost $9,000.00 worth of raffle prizes.
Unfortunately, if you were there, not many of the prizes were bigger ticket in value, instead averaging $25.00
to $40.00 including over 40 T-shirts on top of that. We did have a good showing of bigger value items in the $200.00 to $530.00
valuations.
Even with a strong showing of raffle prizes and with lots of help from Chrissy, Joe Stockstt ( our POCA Secretary)
Ed Mendez ( our POCA PR and Advertising lead) and even Michael Shortt ( our POCA President) and myself, the raffle
went almost an hour and a half in a hot room (no air conditioning) after a full day, banquet and cocktails.
In spite of all our efforts to move things along....I'm sure it seemed like the raffle that would never end!
So, I will present a new plan for the Fun Rally Raffle to the POCA Board at our July meeting. It will include
having a general raffle where tickets will be drawn hourly all day Saturday with winning numbers posted.
Proposing to the Board that we use seed money from POCA to purchase not only some big ticket
prizes ( TV, Blu-ray player and maybe a trip to harbor freight for useful tools gauges, etc. that we all could use) but
maybe some other items of interest like gift cards ( of real value) or even plane tickets???
Who knows, it is all on the table and I am asking for all of you to give me some input with your ideas.
Thanks,
Mike Burnett
VP POCA
-----Original Message----- From: Effie Richards <erichards@zogob.sdcoxmail.com> To: laurieferrari [1]laurieferrari@aol.com who Cc: detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; detomaso <detomaso@poca.com> Sent: Mon, May 30, 2016 5:21 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Laurie's vision of current topics (be warned ... long and tedious) Thank you so much for saying it so eloquently! Laurie's point of you is well laid out and she is a Pantera owner for years and years and a member of POCA for the same! I would like to agree with her proposed method of awarding the prizes as well. Other car shows do it the same way by posting winners ticket numbers and no one falls asleep. My husband ushered me out of the room halfway through. Although Mike Burnett had a great sense of humor while presenting the awards, after an hour or so, Robert could no longer stay awake. The food was not good, I agree, but that's not the organizers' fault, they did the best they could to give all all of us a good time. I would like to suggest that we have better organized run events next year, with maps, a front leader, a middle leader and a tail leader for those who were not able to make the traffic lights, like we offered when we hosted in San Diego 2 years ago. I think we all learned things from this experience and corrections/improvements will be made for next year's rally. No matter what, I hope to see mailings of the Profiles since my husband and others maybe, don't do email. Always remaining members of our POCA club, always! Sent from Effie's iPad > On May 30, 2016, at 2:14 AM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > > Hello out there in Pantera Email Forum Land. Huge thanks to Kurt as I > am another who has always loved our communication in this way. > For anyone who might be confused, just to be clear, I'm Laurie Basile/ > aka Laurie Ferrari on here as that's my email name. I'm one in the > same in case you are looking up any of my old postings in the archives, > which I don't advise. > I have some of my own thoughts on the new status of POCA. > While there's no question that a stock, unmodified, unmolested Pantera > is a rare and specially revered item, however the Pantera Club (POCA) > and its Website is not to be confused with that same logic. The Club > has needed modifications for far too long, most notably reconsideration > of modernization and efforts to offer more to the members, and the > opening of paths that were forever encumbered with roadblocks. > I think the main beef of the many members/lurkers who have been > complaining of late is due to the possible loss of the email forum. > Yes? Or, some perhaps are not used to the no nonsense, energetic, > assertive, personality of Michael Shortt. Well, as board meetings have > been open to members I must say I was truly shocked at the rude and > unprofessional demeanor of some of the oldest of Board Members. And > those on here who are seeking fault and trying to paint a negative > picture of the new direction of POCA, I say, if any of you are > so touchy and hypersensitive, you'd not have been able to tolerate the > myriads of posted comments through the years that could be considered > the most non politically correct on here and greatest examples of > taunts and tongue in cheek comments on everything from gayness, to > racial and political insults, or the worst (personally offensive) the > wing modifications on GT5 Panteras. ... Come on folks. What I see > that is happening is that Mike Shortt's vision and those of the > progressive Board members is one that many have begged for. That being > one of a more professionally represented, respectable club (except for > our more private, less respectable ramblings on here) one that's more > of a Class Act rather than a knitting party, and more representative of > the rarity and beauty of our cars, the wealth of knowledge > and expertise of our members, and the generosity, helpfulness, and > camaraderie of our people. I'd say Michael sees and is enacting, > remember....with Board and Chapter Representative approval, a vision of > the possibilities and potential of our organization to be more > transparent as to the inner workings of major POCA decisions. Those in > the know can not argue about the fact that this has been something > sorely lacking in the past with regard to political issues, election > fairness, and finances, i.e. comparative shopping for our needs, > insurance, printing and so on. > For the few to make suggestions or even comments that Mr. Shortt is a > bigot or the usual gay comments from the peanut gallery.... shame > on you! Those comments are just as untrue and inappropriate as they've > ever been on here. But we grin and bare it and realize any such past > comments would never be posted if serious. Or those who make such > comments can look up the definition of "Psychological transference." I > personally think a "Thank You" is far more appropriate for all the > time, effort, and changes Michael is trying to implement! When the word > went out that races were wanted at the Fun Rally, the first thing I > recall he did was make contact and plans for such. It's ridiculous and > unacceptable for anyone to be rude and insulting to those doing their > best to help us have a better organization. > I recently renewed my membership which I feel would be great if it was > reduced a bit in cost (as it used to be) as I'd like the option to get > only the "Profiles Magazine" in print form.. the Newsletter is > perfectly suited for an online reference... (again, my opinion) and > which I seem to hear would save the club something like $26,000 a > year. On our new POCA Website I am able to look up old articles in > Profiles... especially enjoy the ease of being able to find ones about > my car and me, issue 2010 #1, and my SSCC synopsis, in 2000, #3. That's > a whole lot easier than searching my own computer room and closet > filled with years old multi-curricular lesson plans and old > publications from POCA, and three other car clubs. I really love the > idea of these publications being available ON LINE; it is quite modern > and convenient. > Insofar as the survey regarding POCA's Fun Rally...As always there were > goods and not so goods. The good, naturally, is getting to see and > socialize with old friends and meet new ones. The bad is that the Plaza > remains to be, not the most appealing of choices. I don't know about > the new furnishings but I do know that the entire floor where the > hospitality and banquet was held was covered in sheets over the > construction and warnings of potential injury....I kind of felt early > on that it'd be a good idea, as a few others, to opt to stay at the > Golden Nugget. It's right across the street and very nice! As usual > though, at our event, the hospitality room opportunity with all the > Club stores was and is always great. The sessions, especially Scott > Mead's photography session was more than excellent. The run to Mt. > Charles was beautiful. I didn't have a car there so I was so grateful > to Lori Drew who hooked me up with a ride with a super nice fellow from > PCNC, Bayani; many thanks Bayani! The banquet food was something I'm > unable to compare easily as to the awfulness compared to any past Fun > Rally. The Plaza buffets were generally decent in the past, even used > to get a bottle of red and white wine on each table, but something > definitely went amiss this year. As I was seated at a table with Terry > Himes (Mars' space scientist) and friends, the best way to describe the > salmon was freeze dried and suitable (almost) as astronaut food. The > water was undrinkable, maybe tainted with some alien creatures, toxic > chemicals, or poisoned purposefully so people would buy liquor during > the banquet. Dessert, can't comment, didn't try. The raffle... well > that's yet another story! I've been the one in the past who once had > the job of recruiting prizes for months, organizing the displays, > getting everything to Vegas, and then announcing the prizes at > the dinner and I vividly recall being reprimanded for how long it took > to disseminate prizes at the banquet ... BUT...in good fairness to me, > i took a fraction of what happened this year.. which was in ponderous > tortoise-like, multi-hours long, motion, so much to the fact that I > literally made up for the previous two nights of lost sleep. I mean > really, for hundreds of prizes from a few really nice car related, > down to insignificant, and each prize announced in humorous but mostly > painful detail ... down to a slew of t-shirts, one by one... and then > waiting for the comatose winner to notice or be nudged awake that he or > she'd won and then have to walk what seemed like 3 blocks to the podium > to claim the prize... Good Lord! And I don't blame the presenter as I > know what a difficult and commendable job this is.. it's the SYSTEM, > not the person! I know many of you like to poke fun at the Corvette > Clan but .... the way they've done raffles, at least the National > ones, is to post a list of winning tickets #s and during the event, > people go over periodically to see if they won, and get the prize from > those in charge. Or those so inclined can stay at the prize area and > watch the tickets being drawn. All the contributors are posted in > advance and the donors are thanked and acknowledged on banners, signs, > visuals, business cards, etc. There's always music and dancing and > some sort of entertainment. We used to have music, karaoke, and > entertainment. What happened??? > So in conclusion, I like both the old (forum) and the new (POCA) and > hope that people will be more cordial and appreciative of the efforts > of Michael and those who work for us. > Again much gratitude to Kurt and all involved for the Forum being alive > and well. I am not in favor of the fact though that I very recently > got a malicious malware bug that caused me to wipe out my > entire computer... and start over, not saying it was from here.. BUT > I've never had that problem before and I did have an excellent Internet > security program installed. So I write with hopes that the risks are > not found here! > Can't leave without a big hello to Nathan of the North. Always > great to hear from you and see your uplifting greetings. And to Bob > Levitt...hope you remember me as I was out there on the Santa Monica > pier to take pictures of you and your son upon your take > off for the Gumball Cross Country race way back when. Still have them > saved somewhere and they were on my former POCA album. Btw where are > those albums? > OK.... off and running and just might see lots of you at Pantera > Palooza! > Cheerio, > Laurie > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [3]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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On May 30, 2016, at 2:14 AM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Hello out there in Pantera Email Forum Land. Huge thanks to Kurt as I am another who has always loved our communication in this way. For anyone who might be confused, just to be clear, I'm Laurie Basile/ aka Laurie Ferrari on here as that's my email name. I'm one in the same in case you are looking up any of my old postings in the archives, which I don't advise. I have some of my own thoughts on the new status of POCA. While there's no question that a stock, unmodified, unmolested Pantera is a rare and specially revered item, however the Pantera Club (POCA) and its Website is not to be confused with that same logic. The Club has needed modifications for far too long, most notably reconsideration of modernization and efforts to offer more to the members, and the opening of paths that were forever encumbered with roadblocks. I think the main beef of the many members/lurkers who have been complaining of late is due to the possible loss of the email forum. Yes? Or, some perhaps are not used to the no nonsense, energetic, assertive, personality of Michael Shortt. Well, as board meetings have been open to members I must say I was truly shocked at the rude and unprofessional demeanor of some of the oldest of Board Members. And those on here who are seeking fault and trying to paint a negative picture of the new direction of POCA, I say, if any of you are so touchy and hypersensitive, you'd not have been able to tolerate
myriads of posted comments through the years that could be considered the most non politically correct on here and greatest examples of taunts and tongue in cheek comments on everything from gayness, to racial and political insults, or the worst (personally offensive) the wing modifications on GT5 Panteras. ... Come on folks. What I see that is happening is that Mike Shortt's vision and those of the progressive Board members is one that many have begged for. That being one of a more professionally represented, respectable club (except for our more private, less respectable ramblings on here) one that's more of a Class Act rather than a knitting party, and more representative of the rarity and beauty of our cars, the wealth of knowledge and expertise of our members, and the generosity, helpfulness, and camaraderie of our people. I'd say Michael sees and is enacting, remember....with Board and Chapter Representative approval, a vision of the possibilities and potential of our organization to be more transparent as to the inner workings of major POCA decisions. Those in the know can not argue about the fact that this has been something sorely lacking in the past with regard to political issues, election fairness, and finances, i.e. comparative shopping for our needs, insurance, printing and so on. For the few to make suggestions or even comments that Mr. Shortt is a bigot or the usual gay comments from the peanut gallery.... shame on you! Those comments are just as untrue and inappropriate as
ever been on here. But we grin and bare it and realize any such past comments would never be posted if serious. Or those who make such comments can look up the definition of "Psychological transference." I personally think a "Thank You" is far more appropriate for all the time, effort, and changes Michael is trying to implement! When the word went out that races were wanted at the Fun Rally, the first thing I recall he did was make contact and plans for such. It's ridiculous and unacceptable for anyone to be rude and insulting to those doing their best to help us have a better organization. I recently renewed my membership which I feel would be great if it was reduced a bit in cost (as it used to be) as I'd like the option to get only the "Profiles Magazine" in print form.. the Newsletter is perfectly suited for an online reference... (again, my opinion) and which I seem to hear would save the club something like $26,000 a year. On our new POCA Website I am able to look up old articles in Profiles... especially enjoy the ease of being able to find ones about my car and me, issue 2010 #1, and my SSCC synopsis, in 2000, #3. That's a whole lot easier than searching my own computer room and closet filled with years old multi-curricular lesson plans and old publications from POCA, and three other car clubs. I really love the idea of these publications being available ON LINE; it is quite modern and convenient. Insofar as the survey regarding POCA's Fun Rally...As always there were goods and not so goods. The good, naturally, is getting to see and socialize with old friends and meet new ones. The bad is that the Plaza remains to be, not the most appealing of choices. I don't know about the new furnishings but I do know that the entire floor where the hospitality and banquet was held was covered in sheets over the construction and warnings of potential injury....I kind of felt early on that it'd be a good idea, as a few others, to opt to stay at the Golden Nugget. It's right across the street and very nice! As usual though, at our event, the hospitality room opportunity with all the Club stores was and is always great. The sessions, especially Scott Mead's photography session was more than excellent. The run to Mt. Charles was beautiful. I didn't have a car there so I was so grateful to Lori Drew who hooked me up with a ride with a super nice fellow from PCNC, Bayani; many thanks Bayani! The banquet food was something I'm unable to compare easily as to the awfulness compared to any past Fun Rally. The Plaza buffets were generally decent in the past, even used to get a bottle of red and white wine on each table, but something definitely went amiss this year. As I was seated at a table with Terry Himes (Mars' space scientist) and friends, the best way to describe
salmon was freeze dried and suitable (almost) as astronaut food. The water was undrinkable, maybe tainted with some alien creatures, toxic chemicals, or poisoned purposefully so people would buy liquor during the banquet. Dessert, can't comment, didn't try. The raffle... well that's yet another story! I've been the one in the past who once had the job of recruiting prizes for months, organizing the displays, getting everything to Vegas, and then announcing the prizes at the dinner and I vividly recall being reprimanded for how long it took to disseminate prizes at the banquet ... BUT...in good fairness to me, i took a fraction of what happened this year.. which was in ponderous tortoise-like, multi-hours long, motion, so much to the fact that I literally made up for the previous two nights of lost sleep. I mean really, for hundreds of prizes from a few really nice car related, down to insignificant, and each prize announced in humorous but mostly painful detail ... down to a slew of t-shirts, one by one... and then waiting for the comatose winner to notice or be nudged awake that he or she'd won and then have to walk what seemed like 3 blocks to the
to claim the prize... Good Lord! And I don't blame the presenter as I know what a difficult and commendable job this is.. it's the SYSTEM, not the person! I know many of you like to poke fun at the Corvette Clan but .... the way they've done raffles, at least the National ones, is to post a list of winning tickets #s and during the event, people go over periodically to see if they won, and get the prize from those in charge. Or those so inclined can stay at the prize area and watch the tickets being drawn. All the contributors are posted in advance and the donors are thanked and acknowledged on banners, signs, visuals, business cards, etc. There's always music and dancing and some sort of entertainment. We used to have music, karaoke, and entertainment. What happened??? So in conclusion, I like both the old (forum) and the new (POCA) and hope that people will be more cordial and appreciative of the efforts of Michael and those who work for us. Again much gratitude to Kurt and all involved for the Forum being alive and well. I am not in favor of the fact though that I very recently got a malicious malware bug that caused me to wipe out my entire computer... and start over, not saying it was from here.. BUT I've never had that problem before and I did have an excellent Internet security program installed. So I write with hopes that the risks are not found here! Can't leave without a big hello to Nathan of the North. Always great to hear from you and see your uplifting greetings. And to Bob Levitt...hope you remember me as I was out there on the Santa Monica pier to take pictures of you and your son upon your take off for the Gumball Cross Country race way back when. Still have them saved somewhere and they were on my former POCA album. Btw where are those albums? OK.... off and running and just might see lots of you at Pantera Palooza! Cheerio, Laurie _______________________________________________
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Thanks for the input and suggestions Dick, we are on the same page here and I look forward to adding to the success of POCA and increasing the value of being a member. We still have a couple of Board members that are coming around to our way of thinking, albeit it slowly, but going in the right direction. Please continue adding your voice to the work we are doing , including listening to our next POCA BOD meeting this next week and critiquing the outcome. Warmly, Mike Burnett -----Original Message----- From: Dick Koch <redcatman74@gmail.com> To: mbglobalsc <mbglobalsc@aol.com> Cc: detomaso <detomaso@poca.com>; laurieferrari <laurieferrari@aol.com>; erichards <erichards@zogob.sdcoxmail.com>; detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Tue, May 31, 2016 6:55 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Laurie's vision of current topics (be warned ... long and tedious) Mike, nice to see you stepping up and getting ahead of this, with some good suggestions on how to improve the raffle. This is a case in point, where the savings that could be had if the newsletter did not have to be printed and mailed, part of those savings could be used to fund some of the more expensive raffle items you mentioned. Also, with the elimination of the newsletter printing and mailing expense, color graphics could be included at no expense to the club, improving that publication content and readibility. In addition, rather than thinking of raising the POCA membership fee, the savings would allow the club to reduce the membership fee, while offering an overall better product to it's customers, the POCA members.. In my opinion, for what it is worth, the trade off on discontinuing the printing and mailing of the newsletter versus an improved, more timely, and more efficient online delivery of the publication is obvious. The net affect, following the old business marketing axiom of the price elasticity of demand, would be to set the stage for POCA to attract more members, with the obvious affect of increasing the membership, thereby increasing revenue to continue to provide more value add to the membership as a whole, and spreading the "gospel" of the DeTomaso brand. One thing I believe is that underneath all the comments made about the direction the board is taking the club, is that everyone wants to improve the club, what it offers it's members, and expand the uniqueness the DeTomaso brand. Make no mistake, I have not agreed with certain aspects of the board's plans, more specifically discontinuing this email forum. I communicated that to the board and told them dropping ownership and support for the forum was a mistake. As in the case of "market demand" and the generous efforts of some very dedicated Pantera brethren, the forum was reconstituted. Who knows, maybe the club will decide in the future it should be included under it's banner. However, dropping this forum did not sway me from supporting the board's overall plan to improve the POCA membership experience. Given the premise that everyone wants their club to improve that experience, there comes a time to put aside one's personnel preferences, and to look at "the big picture" and what is in the best interest of the club and the DeTomaso brand. As before, peace to all my cat brethren, and a closing thought from Abraham Lincoln: "We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses." Dick koch - Atlanta On May 30, 2016 9:41 PM, "Mike Burnett via DeTomaso" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: Good evening ladies and everyone else on the forum, I would like to express some thoughts about the raffle during this past Fun Rally. As Vice President of POCA it is my responsibility to do many things as a Board member, but also be the Raffle Master at the Fun Rally. In reply to Laurie and Effie's postings, I agree that the raffle has considerable room for improvement. And even though this was my first POCA Raffle, I have been apart of many Car Shows and other big motor car related events that included a raffle, but didn't want to reinvent the proverbial wheel by changing anything about the way past POCA raffles have been run. As it turns out, there were quite a few things that could have helped make it run smoother. On the one hand I am proud that through my efforts in dealing with our vendors and my wife Chrissy spending four months hitting crafts fairs and sales ( her budget from POCA was challenging) and through the generosity of our vendors and many others, we were able to have almost $9,000.00 worth of raffle prizes. Unfortunately, if you were there, not many of the prizes were bigger ticket in value, instead averaging $25.00 to $40.00 including over 40 T-shirts on top of that. We did have a good showing of bigger value items in the $200.00 to $530.00 valuations. Even with a strong showing of raffle prizes and with lots of help from Chrissy, Joe Stockstt ( our POCA Secretary) Ed Mendez ( our POCA PR and Advertising lead) and even Michael Shortt ( our POCA President) and myself, the raffle went almost an hour and a half in a hot room (no air conditioning) after a full day, banquet and cocktails. In spite of all our efforts to move things along....I'm sure it seemed like the raffle that would never end! So, I will present a new plan for the Fun Rally Raffle to the POCA Board at our July meeting. It will include having a general raffle where tickets will be drawn hourly all day Saturday with winning numbers posted. Proposing to the Board that we use seed money from POCA to purchase not only some big ticket prizes ( TV, Blu-ray player and maybe a trip to harbor freight for useful tools gauges, etc. that we all could use) but maybe some other items of interest like gift cards ( of real value) or even plane tickets??? Who knows, it is all on the table and I am asking for all of you to give me some input with your ideas. Thanks, Mike Burnett VP POCA -----Original Message----- From: Effie Richards <erichards@zogob.sdcoxmail.com> To: laurieferrari [1]laurieferrari@aol.com who Cc: detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; detomaso <detomaso@poca.com> Sent: Mon, May 30, 2016 5:21 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Laurie's vision of current topics (be warned ... long and tedious) Thank you so much for saying it so eloquently! Laurie's point of you is well laid out and she is a Pantera owner for years and years and a member of POCA for the same! I would like to agree with her proposed method of awarding the prizes as well. Other car shows do it the same way by posting winners ticket numbers and no one falls asleep. My husband ushered me out of the room halfway through. Although Mike Burnett had a great sense of humor while presenting the awards, after an hour or so, Robert could no longer stay awake. The food was not good, I agree, but that's not the organizers' fault, they did the best they could to give all all of us a good time. I would like to suggest that we have better organized run events next year, with maps, a front leader, a middle leader and a tail leader for those who were not able to make the traffic lights, like we offered when we hosted in San Diego 2 years ago. I think we all learned things from this experience and corrections/improvements will be made for next year's rally. No matter what, I hope to see mailings of the Profiles since my husband and others maybe, don't do email. Always remaining members of our POCA club, always! Sent from Effie's iPad the they've the podium list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 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Thanks for the input and suggestions Dick, we are on the same page here and I look forward to adding to the success of POCA and increasing the value of being a member. We still have a couple of Board members that are coming around to our way of thinking, albeit it slowly, but going in the right direction. Please continue adding your voice to the work we are doing , including listening to our next POCA BOD meeting this next week and critiquing the outcome. Warmly, Mike Burnett -----Original Message----- From: Dick Koch <redcatman74@gmail.com> To: mbglobalsc <mbglobalsc@aol.com> Cc: detomaso <detomaso@poca.com>; laurieferrari <laurieferrari@aol.com>; erichards <erichards@zogob.sdcoxmail.com>; detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Tue, May 31, 2016 6:55 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Laurie's vision of current topics (be warned ... long and tedious) Mike, nice to see you stepping up and getting ahead of this, with some good suggestions on how to improve the raffle. This is a case in point, where the savings that could be had if the newsletter did not have to be printed and mailed, part of those savings could be used to fund some of the more expensive raffle items you mentioned. Also, with the elimination of the newsletter printing and mailing expense, color graphics could be included at no expense to the club, improving that publication content and readibility. In addition, rather than thinking of raising the POCA membership fee, the savings would allow the club to reduce the membership fee, while offering an overall better product to it's customers, the POCA members.. In my opinion, for what it is worth, the trade off on discontinuing the printing and mailing of the newsletter versus an improved, more timely, and more efficient online delivery of the publication is obvious. The net affect, following the old business marketing axiom of the price elasticity of demand, would be to set the stage for POCA to attract more members, with the obvious affect of increasing the membership, thereby increasing revenue to continue to provide more value add to the membership as a whole, and spreading the "gospel" of the DeTomaso brand. One thing I believe is that underneath all the comments made about the direction the board is taking the club, is that everyone wants to improve the club, what it offers it's members, and expand the uniqueness the DeTomaso brand. Make no mistake, I have not agreed with certain aspects of the board's plans, more specifically discontinuing this email forum. I communicated that to the board and told them dropping ownership and support for the forum was a mistake. As in the case of "market demand" and the generous efforts of some very dedicated Pantera brethren, the forum was reconstituted. Who knows, maybe the club will decide in the future it should be included under it's banner. However, dropping this forum did not sway me from supporting the board's overall plan to improve the POCA membership experience. Given the premise that everyone wants their club to improve that experience, there comes a time to put aside one's personnel preferences, and to look at "the big picture" and what is in the best interest of the club and the DeTomaso brand. As before, peace to all my cat brethren, and a closing thought from Abraham Lincoln: "We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses." Dick koch - Atlanta On May 30, 2016 9:41 PM, "Mike Burnett via DeTomaso" <[1]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: Good evening ladies and everyone else on the forum, I would like to express some thoughts about the raffle during this past Fun Rally. As Vice President of POCA it is my responsibility to do many things as a Board member, but also be the Raffle Master at the Fun Rally. In reply to Laurie and Effie's postings, I agree that the raffle has considerable room for improvement. And even though this was my first POCA Raffle, I have been apart of many Car Shows and other big motor car related events that included a raffle, but didn't want to reinvent the proverbial wheel by changing anything about the way past POCA raffles have been run. As it turns out, there were quite a few things that could have helped make it run smoother. On the one hand I am proud that through my efforts in dealing with our vendors and my wife Chrissy spending four months hitting crafts fairs and sales ( her budget from POCA was challenging) and through the generosity of our vendors and many others, we were able to have almost $9,000.00 worth of raffle prizes. Unfortunately, if you were there, not many of the prizes were bigger ticket in value, instead averaging $25.00 to $40.00 including over 40 T-shirts on top of that. We did have a good showing of bigger value items in the $200.00 to $530.00 valuations. Even with a strong showing of raffle prizes and with lots of help from Chrissy, Joe Stockstt ( our POCA Secretary) Ed Mendez ( our POCA PR and Advertising lead) and even Michael Shortt ( our POCA President) and myself, the raffle went almost an hour and a half in a hot room (no air conditioning) after a full day, banquet and cocktails. In spite of all our efforts to move things along....I'm sure it seemed like the raffle that would never end! So, I will present a new plan for the Fun Rally Raffle to the POCA Board at our July meeting. It will include having a general raffle where tickets will be drawn hourly all day Saturday with winning numbers posted. Proposing to the Board that we use seed money from POCA to purchase not only some big ticket prizes ( TV, Blu-ray player and maybe a trip to harbor freight for useful tools gauges, etc. that we all could use) but maybe some other items of interest like gift cards ( of real value) or even plane tickets??? Who knows, it is all on the table and I am asking for all of you to give me some input with your ideas. Thanks, Mike Burnett VP POCA -----Original Message----- From: Effie Richards <[2]erichards@zogob.sdcoxmail.com> To: laurieferrari [1][3]laurieferrari@aol.com who Cc: detomaso <[4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; detomaso <[5]detomaso@poca.com> Sent: Mon, May 30, 2016 5:21 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Laurie's vision of current topics (be warned ... long and tedious) Thank you so much for saying it so eloquently! Laurie's point of you is well laid out and she is a Pantera owner for years and years and a member of POCA for the same! I would like to agree with her proposed method of awarding the prizes as well. Other car shows do it the same way by posting winners ticket numbers and no one falls asleep. My husband ushered me out of the room halfway through. Although Mike Burnett had a great sense of humor while presenting the awards, after an hour or so, Robert could no longer stay awake. The food was not good, I agree, but that's not the organizers' fault, they did the best they could to give all all of us a good time. I would like to suggest that we have better organized run events next year, with maps, a front leader, a middle leader and a tail leader for those who were not able to make the traffic lights, like we offered when we hosted in San Diego 2 years ago. I think we all learned things from this experience and corrections/improvements will be made for next year's rally. No matter what, I hope to see mailings of the Profiles since my husband and others maybe, don't do email. Always remaining members of our POCA club, always! Sent from Effie's iPad > On May 30, 2016, at 2:14 AM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <[2][6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > > Hello out there in Pantera Email Forum Land. Huge thanks to Kurt as I > am another who has always loved our communication in this way. > For anyone who might be confused, just to be clear, I'm Laurie Basile/ > aka Laurie Ferrari on here as that's my email name. I'm one in the > same in case you are looking up any of my old postings in the archives, > which I don't advise. > I have some of my own thoughts on the new status of POCA. > While there's no question that a stock, unmodified, unmolested Pantera > is a rare and specially revered item, however the Pantera Club (POCA) > and its Website is not to be confused with that same logic. The Club > has needed modifications for far too long, most notably reconsideration > of modernization and efforts to offer more to the members, and the > opening of paths that were forever encumbered with roadblocks. > I think the main beef of the many members/lurkers who have been > complaining of late is due to the possible loss of the email forum. > Yes? Or, some perhaps are not used to the no nonsense, energetic, > assertive, personality of Michael Shortt. Well, as board meetings have > been open to members I must say I was truly shocked at the rude and > unprofessional demeanor of some of the oldest of Board Members. And > those on here who are seeking fault and trying to paint a negative > picture of the new direction of POCA, I say, if any of you are > so touchy and hypersensitive, you'd not have been able to tolerate the > myriads of posted comments through the years that could be considered > the most non politically correct on here and greatest examples of > taunts and tongue in cheek comments on everything from gayness, to > racial and political insults, or the worst (personally offensive) the > wing modifications on GT5 Panteras. ... Come on folks. What I see > that is happening is that Mike Shortt's vision and those of the > progressive Board members is one that many have begged for. That being > one of a more professionally represented, respectable club (except for > our more private, less respectable ramblings on here) one that's more > of a Class Act rather than a knitting party, and more representative of > the rarity and beauty of our cars, the wealth of knowledge > and expertise of our members, and the generosity, helpfulness, and > camaraderie of our people. I'd say Michael sees and is enacting, > remember....with Board and Chapter Representative approval, a vision of > the possibilities and potential of our organization to be more > transparent as to the inner workings of major POCA decisions. Those in > the know can not argue about the fact that this has been something > sorely lacking in the past with regard to political issues, election > fairness, and finances, i.e. comparative shopping for our needs, > insurance, printing and so on. > For the few to make suggestions or even comments that Mr. Shortt is a > bigot or the usual gay comments from the peanut gallery.... shame > on you! Those comments are just as untrue and inappropriate as they've > ever been on here. But we grin and bare it and realize any such past > comments would never be posted if serious. Or those who make such > comments can look up the definition of "Psychological transference." I > personally think a "Thank You" is far more appropriate for all the > time, effort, and changes Michael is trying to implement! When the word > went out that races were wanted at the Fun Rally, the first thing I > recall he did was make contact and plans for such. It's ridiculous and > unacceptable for anyone to be rude and insulting to those doing their > best to help us have a better organization. > I recently renewed my membership which I feel would be great if it was > reduced a bit in cost (as it used to be) as I'd like the option to get > only the "Profiles Magazine" in print form.. the Newsletter is > perfectly suited for an online reference... (again, my opinion) and > which I seem to hear would save the club something like $26,000 a > year. On our new POCA Website I am able to look up old articles in > Profiles... especially enjoy the ease of being able to find ones about > my car and me, issue 2010 #1, and my SSCC synopsis, in 2000, #3. That's > a whole lot easier than searching my own computer room and closet > filled with years old multi-curricular lesson plans and old > publications from POCA, and three other car clubs. I really love the > idea of these publications being available ON LINE; it is quite modern > and convenient. > Insofar as the survey regarding POCA's Fun Rally...As always there were > goods and not so goods. The good, naturally, is getting to see and > socialize with old friends and meet new ones. The bad is that the Plaza > remains to be, not the most appealing of choices. I don't know about > the new furnishings but I do know that the entire floor where the > hospitality and banquet was held was covered in sheets over the > construction and warnings of potential injury....I kind of felt early > on that it'd be a good idea, as a few others, to opt to stay at the > Golden Nugget. It's right across the street and very nice! As usual > though, at our event, the hospitality room opportunity with all the > Club stores was and is always great. The sessions, especially Scott > Mead's photography session was more than excellent. The run to Mt. > Charles was beautiful. I didn't have a car there so I was so grateful > to Lori Drew who hooked me up with a ride with a super nice fellow from > PCNC, Bayani; many thanks Bayani! The banquet food was something I'm > unable to compare easily as to the awfulness compared to any past Fun > Rally. The Plaza buffets were generally decent in the past, even used > to get a bottle of red and white wine on each table, but something > definitely went amiss this year. As I was seated at a table with Terry > Himes (Mars' space scientist) and friends, the best way to describe the > salmon was freeze dried and suitable (almost) as astronaut food. The > water was undrinkable, maybe tainted with some alien creatures, toxic > chemicals, or poisoned purposefully so people would buy liquor during > the banquet. Dessert, can't comment, didn't try. The raffle... well > that's yet another story! I've been the one in the past who once had > the job of recruiting prizes for months, organizing the displays, > getting everything to Vegas, and then announcing the prizes at > the dinner and I vividly recall being reprimanded for how long it took > to disseminate prizes at the banquet ... BUT...in good fairness to me, > i took a fraction of what happened this year.. which was in ponderous > tortoise-like, multi-hours long, motion, so much to the fact that I > literally made up for the previous two nights of lost sleep. I mean > really, for hundreds of prizes from a few really nice car related, > down to insignificant, and each prize announced in humorous but mostly > painful detail ... down to a slew of t-shirts, one by one... and then > waiting for the comatose winner to notice or be nudged awake that he or > she'd won and then have to walk what seemed like 3 blocks to the podium > to claim the prize... Good Lord! And I don't blame the presenter as I > know what a difficult and commendable job this is.. it's the SYSTEM, > not the person! I know many of you like to poke fun at the Corvette > Clan but .... the way they've done raffles, at least the National > ones, is to post a list of winning tickets #s and during the event, > people go over periodically to see if they won, and get the prize from > those in charge. Or those so inclined can stay at the prize area and > watch the tickets being drawn. All the contributors are posted in > advance and the donors are thanked and acknowledged on banners, signs, > visuals, business cards, etc. There's always music and dancing and > some sort of entertainment. We used to have music, karaoke, and > entertainment. What happened??? > So in conclusion, I like both the old (forum) and the new (POCA) and > hope that people will be more cordial and appreciative of the efforts > of Michael and those who work for us. > Again much gratitude to Kurt and all involved for the Forum being alive > and well. I am not in favor of the fact though that I very recently > got a malicious malware bug that caused me to wipe out my > entire computer... and start over, not saying it was from here.. BUT > I've never had that problem before and I did have an excellent Internet > security program installed. So I write with hopes that the risks are > not found here! > Can't leave without a big hello to Nathan of the North. Always > great to hear from you and see your uplifting greetings. And to Bob > Levitt...hope you remember me as I was out there on the Santa Monica > pier to take pictures of you and your son upon your take > off for the Gumball Cross Country race way back when. Still have them > saved somewhere and they were on my former POCA album. Btw where are > those albums? > OK.... off and running and just might see lots of you at Pantera > Palooza! > Cheerio, > Laurie > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [3][7]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > [4][8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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