Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
Dear Dave: Exactly and precisely. His empire does not extend to this outlaw territory. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Dave wrote:
So Short's threats of censorship have no relevance to this group, correct?
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:50 PM To: 'Charles McCall'; msm@portata.com; scottcouchman@yahoo.com; 'Rod Kunishige' Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
Thank you!
-----Original Message----- From: Charles McCall [mailto:charlesmccall@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:42 PM To: Dave; msm@portata.com; scottcouchman@yahoo.com; 'Rod Kunishige' Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
True on both counts. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: martes, 7 de junio de 2016 19:17 To: msm@portata.com; scottcouchman@yahoo.com; Rod Kunishige Cc: <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
Can someone enlighten me, please? I am/was under the impression this email list or forum was rescued from being dissolved by Kurt. (thank you Kurt) I was also under the impression this site was not part of or controlled by POCA.. Is this true? Thanks IndyDave
-----Original Message----- From: msm@portata.com [mailto:msm@portata.com] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 8:53 PM To: scottcouchman@yahoo.com; Rod Kunishige Cc: <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
Rod -- you are always welcome here. Thank you for your many years of contributions to POCA and the greater DeTomaso community.
------ Original Message ------ From: "Scott Couchman via DeTomaso" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> To: "Rod Kunishige" <rkunishige@hotmail.com> Cc: "<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: 6/6/2016 5:30:27 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
"You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up until now, I have tried to remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until Michael Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect, you would stop having these fits of verbal and textual diarrhea.
Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not part of any equation on my worksheet.
You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for something to benefit the membership instead of dealing with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social personality type addicted to drama.
That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to censure you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I believe in an earlier email, Ed made the process very clear, go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly, instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend structure and civility.
If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove you from this club.
I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough votes now in place to secure both outcomes.
This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player and use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead of trying to destroy it from within.
Michael Shortt President POCA"
Wow! Really? I thought this was a car club?
On Jun 6, 2016, at 8:42 AM, Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com> wrote:
Am I to be removed from the POCA? Rod
From: michaelsavga@gmail.com Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:34:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum To: rkunishige@hotmail.com CC: jpoca2@hotmail.com; JDeRyke@aol.com; MBGlobalSc@aol.com; jb841@cox.net; RREIDCPA@aol.com; paso750@gmail.com; qrtlow@gmail.com; edducati@mac.com
Mr. Kunishige,
It appears the theme of a nicer, more friendly, and organized POCA which operates through channels escapes you.
It also appears a sitting BOD member is sharing BOD ONLY emails with you, that member should know that when I find them out, I will put forth a motion to censure them for violating BOD policy.
Since you are not an elected member of the BOD, you are not entitled to our work emails, discussions or methodologies used to arrive at how we do business, once formatted, discussed amongst ourselves, these same issues are put forth in an agenda, discussed during an Open BOD meeting where all members can hear how we take care of business. I think with the exception of the last 3 minutes of the last BOD meeting, it was an excellent example of how civil discourse can happen even between people with disparate points of view.
It is called a process, nothing happens by itself, I think the last 10 years of POCA pretty much proves that point.
In regard to your past, an inability to maintain a job or to operate a business successfully relates to our situation how? While owning a toy store would be a dream for somebody like me, everybody knows that 4 out of 5 new businesses fail in the first year and of those, 4 out of 5 will never see a fifth year, so your chance of still operating a toy store for five years was only 10% at best. Here is why most new businesses fail.
1 Incompetence 46 % Emotional Pricing
Living too high for the business
Nonpayment of taxes
No knowledge of pricing
Lack of planning
No knowledge of financing
No experience in record-keeping 2 Unbalanced Experience or Lack of Managerial Experience 30 % Poor credit granting practices
Expansion too rapid
Inadequate borrowing practices 3 Lack of Experiences in line of goods or services 11 % Carry inadequate inventory
No knowledge of suppliers
Wasted advertising budget 5 Neglect, fraud, disaster 1 %
Nobody judges you, we have all had failures, if you don't try, that's the biggest failure of all.
You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up until now, I have tried to remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until Michael Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect, you would stop having these fits of verbal and textual diarrhea.
Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not part of any equation on my worksheet.
You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for something to benefit the membership instead of dealing with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social personality type addicted to drama.
That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to censure you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I believe in an earlier email, Ed made the process very clear, go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly, instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend structure and civility.
If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove you from this club.
I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough votes now in place to secure both outcomes.
This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player and use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead of trying to destroy it from within.
Michael Shortt President POCA
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On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 6:22 AM, Ed Mendez <edducati@mac.com> wrote: What part of “the email list should not be used to discuss POCA business”, "bring your grievances to your chapter president”, and “take it offline” did you not understand?
By you copying members and non members of POCA on this email list with your grievances, and personal issues with Michael Shortt; you are placing the whole club in a negative light. This is adversely effecting the clubs ability to recruit new members.
Copying the BOD.
Kind regards,
Ed
On 6/06/2016, at 10:11, Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ed Menedez,
You say that facts are clearly important to you.
So, let me quote you some snippets taken directly from MS May 16, 2016 email Subject: Newsletter and Profiles printing/design henceforth:
O/ Meanwhile, as a part of this change will also come full
color > printing on all pages in both the Newsletter / Profiles, a new printer, > and mailing partner. > > O/ The existing printer will not print anything else for POCA > after the June newsletter. > > O/ Your new printing partner is PrintingCenterUSA, > > O/ effective immediately we will begin to adopt layout > designs/templa tes which will dedicate 20% of the total space to > advertising content display. > the Newsletter needs to be 32 total pages each month, 5 pages in total > space needs to be evenly distributed in 1/8 page, 1/4, 1/3. & 1/2 page > horitzontal ads and 1/2 page vertical ads plus a full page ad. > > O/ You will need to coordinate with Ed with proofs so that he will > have the final say on ad placement before adthing is printed. > > O/ The vendor listings are to be removed. They will have to buy > ads to reach our memb ers. > > O/ We also need to use ONLY the newly revised/cleaned up POCA Road > Script and POCA crest. > > Completely detailed specifications are also set as fixed space > allocations for both pubs without consideration for content > adjustments. > > My view is that these are clearly directives not suggestions to > consider to fellow POCA Board Members. > > Ed, should you wish to challenge these facts, Ill be most pleased to > publish the email in its entirety so everyone may view it within its > full context. > NOTE: There seems to be a need to know the qualifications of the > writers who post here. So, let me explain that my career of 35 years > was in Information Technology ending as VP of IT. I also owned and > operated a mailing house directing publications in the SF Bay Area for > 4 years and owned and operated a 9,000 sq ft independent Toy Store for > 5 years. Hope this helps the readers who wish to know my background. I > LOVE this club and vendors. Its members have helped me throughout the > decades. > Rod > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
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<< outlaw territory >> Kinda like Texas in the "Cloud" Larry (I'm in) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of cengles@cox.net Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:58 PM To: dave@damardirect.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com; msm@portata.com; rkunishige@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum Dear Dave: Exactly and precisely. His empire does not extend to this outlaw territory. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Dave wrote:
So Short's threats of censorship have no relevance to this group, correct?
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:50 PM To: 'Charles McCall'; msm@portata.com; scottcouchman@yahoo.com; 'Rod Kunishige' Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
Thank you!
-----Original Message----- From: Charles McCall [mailto:charlesmccall@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:42 PM To: Dave; msm@portata.com; scottcouchman@yahoo.com; 'Rod Kunishige' Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
True on both counts. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: martes, 7 de junio de 2016 19:17 To: msm@portata.com; scottcouchman@yahoo.com; Rod Kunishige Cc: <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
Can someone enlighten me, please? I am/was under the impression this email list or forum was rescued from being dissolved by Kurt. (thank you Kurt) I was also under the impression this site was not part of or controlled by POCA.. Is this true? Thanks IndyDave
-----Original Message----- From: msm@portata.com [mailto:msm@portata.com] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 8:53 PM To: scottcouchman@yahoo.com; Rod Kunishige Cc: <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
Rod -- you are always welcome here. Thank you for your many years of contributions to POCA and the greater DeTomaso community.
------ Original Message ------ From: "Scott Couchman via DeTomaso" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> To: "Rod Kunishige" <rkunishige@hotmail.com> Cc: "<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: 6/6/2016 5:30:27 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
"You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up until now, I have tried to remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until Michael Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect, you would stop having these fits of verbal and textual diarrhea.
Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not part of any equation on my worksheet.
You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for something to benefit the membership instead of dealing with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social personality type addicted to drama.
That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to censure you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I believe in an earlier email, Ed made the process very clear, go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly, instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend structure and civility.
If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove you from this club.
I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough votes now in place to secure both outcomes.
This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player and use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead of trying to destroy it from within.
Michael Shortt President POCA"
Wow! Really? I thought this was a car club?
On Jun 6, 2016, at 8:42 AM, Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com> wrote:
Am I to be removed from the POCA? Rod
From: michaelsavga@gmail.com Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:34:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum To: rkunishige@hotmail.com CC: jpoca2@hotmail.com; JDeRyke@aol.com; MBGlobalSc@aol.com; jb841@cox.net; RREIDCPA@aol.com; paso750@gmail.com; qrtlow@gmail.com; edducati@mac.com
Mr. Kunishige,
It appears the theme of a nicer, more friendly, and organized POCA which operates through channels escapes you.
It also appears a sitting BOD member is sharing BOD ONLY emails with you, that member should know that when I find them out, I will put forth a motion to censure them for violating BOD policy.
Since you are not an elected member of the BOD, you are not entitled to our work emails, discussions or methodologies used to arrive at how we do business, once formatted, discussed amongst ourselves, these same issues are put forth in an agenda, discussed during an Open BOD meeting where all members can hear how we take care of business. I think with the exception of the last 3 minutes of the last BOD meeting, it was an excellent example of how civil discourse can happen even between people with disparate points of view.
It is called a process, nothing happens by itself, I think the last 10 years of POCA pretty much proves that point.
In regard to your past, an inability to maintain a job or to operate a business successfully relates to our situation how? While owning a toy store would be a dream for somebody like me, everybody knows that 4 out of 5 new businesses fail in the first year and of those, 4 out of 5 will never see a fifth year, so your chance of still operating a toy store for five years was only 10% at best. Here is why most new businesses fail.
1 Incompetence 46 % Emotional Pricing
Living too high for the business
Nonpayment of taxes
No knowledge of pricing
Lack of planning
No knowledge of financing
No experience in record-keeping 2 Unbalanced Experience or Lack of Managerial Experience 30 % Poor credit granting practices
Expansion too rapid
Inadequate borrowing practices 3 Lack of Experiences in line of goods or services 11 % Carry inadequate inventory
No knowledge of suppliers
Wasted advertising budget 5 Neglect, fraud, disaster 1 %
Nobody judges you, we have all had failures, if you don't try, that's the biggest failure of all.
You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up until now, I have tried to remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until Michael Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect, you would stop having these fits of verbal and textual diarrhea.
Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not part of any equation on my worksheet.
You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for something to benefit the membership instead of dealing with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social personality type addicted to drama.
That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to censure you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I believe in an earlier email, Ed made the process very clear, go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly, instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend structure and civility.
If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove you from this club.
I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough votes now in place to secure both outcomes.
This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player and use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead of trying to destroy it from within.
Michael Shortt President POCA
This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you
On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 6:22 AM, Ed Mendez <edducati@mac.com> wrote: What part of "the email list should not be used to discuss POCA business", "bring your grievances to your chapter president", and "take it offline" did you not understand?
By you copying members and non members of POCA on this email list with your grievances, and personal issues with Michael Shortt; you are placing the whole club in a negative light. This is adversely effecting the clubs ability to recruit new members.
Copying the BOD.
Kind regards,
Ed
On 6/06/2016, at 10:11, Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ed Menedez,
You say that facts are clearly important to you.
So, let me quote you some snippets taken directly from MS May 16, 2016 email Subject: Newsletter and Profiles printing/design henceforth:
O/ Meanwhile, as a part of this change will also come full
color > printing on all pages in both the Newsletter / Profiles, a new printer, > and mailing partner. > > O/ The existing printer will not print anything else for POCA > after the June newsletter. > > O/ Your new printing partner is PrintingCenterUSA, > > O/ effective immediately we will begin to adopt layout > designs/templa tes which will dedicate 20% of the total space to > advertising content display. > the Newsletter needs to be 32 total pages each month, 5 pages in total > space needs to be evenly distributed in 1/8 page, 1/4, 1/3. & 1/2 page > horitzontal ads and 1/2 page vertical ads plus a full page ad. > > O/ You will need to coordinate with Ed with proofs so that he will > have the final say on ad placement before adthing is printed. > > O/ The vendor listings are to be removed. They will have to buy > ads to reach our memb ers. > > O/ We also need to use ONLY the newly revised/cleaned up POCA Road > Script and POCA crest. > > Completely detailed specifications are also set as fixed space > allocations for both pubs without consideration for content > adjustments. > > My view is that these are clearly directives not suggestions to > consider to fellow POCA Board Members. > > Ed, should you wish to challenge these facts, Ill be most pleased to > publish the email in its entirety so everyone may view it within its > full context. > NOTE: There seems to be a need to know the qualifications of the > writers who post here. So, let me explain that my career of 35 years > was in Information Technology ending as VP of IT. I also owned and > operated a mailing house directing publications in the SF Bay Area for > 4 years and owned and operated a 9,000 sq ft independent Toy Store for > 5 years. Hope this helps the readers who wish to know my background. I > LOVE this club and vendors. Its members have helped me throughout the > decades. > Rod > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
--
Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael@michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390
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Y'awl 'd be talkin' Oklahoma there...... On 6/7/2016 11:23 AM, Larry - Ohio Time wrote:
<< outlaw territory >>
Kinda like Texas in the "Cloud"
Larry (I'm in) - Cleveland
-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of cengles@cox.net Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:58 PM To: dave@damardirect.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com; msm@portata.com; rkunishige@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
Dear Dave: Exactly and precisely. His empire does not extend to this outlaw territory. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Dave wrote:
So Short's threats of censorship have no relevance to this group, correct?
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:50 PM To: 'Charles McCall'; msm@portata.com; scottcouchman@yahoo.com; 'Rod Kunishige' Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
Thank you!
-----Original Message----- From: Charles McCall [mailto:charlesmccall@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:42 PM To: Dave; msm@portata.com; scottcouchman@yahoo.com; 'Rod Kunishige' Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
True on both counts. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: martes, 7 de junio de 2016 19:17 To: msm@portata.com; scottcouchman@yahoo.com; Rod Kunishige Cc: <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
Can someone enlighten me, please? I am/was under the impression this email list or forum was rescued from being dissolved by Kurt. (thank you Kurt) I was also under the impression this site was not part of or controlled by POCA.. Is this true? Thanks IndyDave
-----Original Message----- From: msm@portata.com [mailto:msm@portata.com] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 8:53 PM To: scottcouchman@yahoo.com; Rod Kunishige Cc: <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
Rod -- you are always welcome here. Thank you for your many years of contributions to POCA and the greater DeTomaso community.
------ Original Message ------ From: "Scott Couchman via DeTomaso" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> To: "Rod Kunishige" <rkunishige@hotmail.com> Cc: "<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: 6/6/2016 5:30:27 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
"You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up until now, I have tried to remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until Michael Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect, you would stop having these fits of verbal and textual diarrhea.
Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not part of any equation on my worksheet.
You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for something to benefit the membership instead of dealing with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social personality type addicted to drama.
That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to censure you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I believe in an earlier email, Ed made the process very clear, go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly, instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend structure and civility.
If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove you from this club.
I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough votes now in place to secure both outcomes.
This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player and use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead of trying to destroy it from within.
Michael Shortt President POCA"
Wow! Really? I thought this was a car club?
On Jun 6, 2016, at 8:42 AM, Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com> wrote:
Am I to be removed from the POCA? Rod
From: michaelsavga@gmail.com Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:34:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum To: rkunishige@hotmail.com CC: jpoca2@hotmail.com; JDeRyke@aol.com; MBGlobalSc@aol.com; jb841@cox.net; RREIDCPA@aol.com; paso750@gmail.com; qrtlow@gmail.com; edducati@mac.com
Mr. Kunishige,
It appears the theme of a nicer, more friendly, and organized POCA which operates through channels escapes you.
It also appears a sitting BOD member is sharing BOD ONLY emails with you, that member should know that when I find them out, I will put forth a motion to censure them for violating BOD policy.
Since you are not an elected member of the BOD, you are not entitled to our work emails, discussions or methodologies used to arrive at how we do business, once formatted, discussed amongst ourselves, these same issues are put forth in an agenda, discussed during an Open BOD meeting where all members can hear how we take care of business. I think with the exception of the last 3 minutes of the last BOD meeting, it was an excellent example of how civil discourse can happen even between people with disparate points of view.
It is called a process, nothing happens by itself, I think the last 10 years of POCA pretty much proves that point.
In regard to your past, an inability to maintain a job or to operate a business successfully relates to our situation how? While owning a toy store would be a dream for somebody like me, everybody knows that 4 out of 5 new businesses fail in the first year and of those, 4 out of 5 will never see a fifth year, so your chance of still operating a toy store for five years was only 10% at best. Here is why most new businesses fail.
1 Incompetence 46 % Emotional Pricing
Living too high for the business
Nonpayment of taxes
No knowledge of pricing
Lack of planning
No knowledge of financing
No experience in record-keeping 2 Unbalanced Experience or Lack of Managerial Experience 30 % Poor credit granting practices
Expansion too rapid
Inadequate borrowing practices 3 Lack of Experiences in line of goods or services 11 % Carry inadequate inventory
No knowledge of suppliers
Wasted advertising budget 5 Neglect, fraud, disaster 1 %
Nobody judges you, we have all had failures, if you don't try, that's the biggest failure of all.
You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up until now, I have tried to remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until Michael Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect, you would stop having these fits of verbal and textual diarrhea.
Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not part of any equation on my worksheet.
You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for something to benefit the membership instead of dealing with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social personality type addicted to drama.
That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to censure you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I believe in an earlier email, Ed made the process very clear, go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly, instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend structure and civility.
If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove you from this club.
I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough votes now in place to secure both outcomes.
This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player and use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead of trying to destroy it from within.
Michael Shortt President POCA
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On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 6:22 AM, Ed Mendez <edducati@mac.com> wrote: What part of "the email list should not be used to discuss POCA business", "bring your grievances to your chapter president", and "take it offline" did you not understand?
By you copying members and non members of POCA on this email list with your grievances, and personal issues with Michael Shortt; you are placing the whole club in a negative light. This is adversely effecting the clubs ability to recruit new members.
Copying the BOD.
Kind regards,
Ed
On 6/06/2016, at 10:11, Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com> wrote: Ed Menedez,
You say that facts are clearly important to you.
So, let me quote you some snippets taken directly from MS May 16, 2016 email Subject: Newsletter and Profiles printing/design henceforth: O/ Meanwhile, as a part of this change will also come full
color > printing on all pages in both the Newsletter / Profiles, a new printer, > and mailing partner. > > O/ The existing printer will not print anything else for POCA > after the June newsletter. > > O/ Your new printing partner is PrintingCenterUSA, > > O/ effective immediately we will begin to adopt layout > designs/templa tes which will dedicate 20% of the total space to > advertising content display. > the Newsletter needs to be 32 total pages each month, 5 pages in total > space needs to be evenly distributed in 1/8 page, 1/4, 1/3. & 1/2 page > horitzontal ads and 1/2 page vertical ads plus a full page ad. > > O/ You will need to coordinate with Ed with proofs so that he will > have the final say on ad placement before adthing is printed. > > O/ The vendor listings are to be removed. They will have to buy > ads to reach our memb ers. > > O/ We also need to use ONLY the newly revised/cleaned up POCA Road > Script and POCA crest. > > Completely detailed specifications are also set as fixed space > allocations for both pubs without consideration for content > adjustments. > > My view is that these are clearly directives not suggestions to > consider to fellow POCA Board Members. > > Ed, should you wish to challenge these facts, Ill be most pleased to > publish the email in its entirety so everyone may view it within its > full context. > NOTE: There seems to be a need to know the qualifications of the > writers who post here. So, let me explain that my career of 35 years > was in Information Technology ending as VP of IT. I also owned and > operated a mailing house directing publications in the SF Bay Area for > 4 years and owned and operated a 9,000 sq ft independent Toy Store for > 5 years. Hope this helps the readers who wish to know my background. I > LOVE this club and vendors. Its members have helped me throughout the > decades. > Rod > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
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