Dear Larry, Dumb question: is your brace system available individually or only as a package? Curious, Chuck Engles On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Stock wrote:
It is the the lower front end of the Pantera that is the weakest point Mike. The Upper front is well braced, it is the lower A-Arm attachment that is left floundering. The Front affects the rear twist. Remember the rear sway bar affects the front end handling part of 101 suspension tuning? I actually cracked (broke off) my front frame member at the attaching points to the Cabin. The only thing that was holding my Pantera together was my frame brace system. The 4 piece system you refer to does nothing to reinforce this weakest point of the Pantera Frame. Our lower front stiffener is a 5 foot long X to cross brace the ³Splice² the factory used to attach the front frame section to the cabin sheetmetal. Our front brace connects the two front frame rails to the cabin lateral (cross stiffener under the front of the seats) that ties to the 3 piece rocker Box panels. Larry
On 9/7/16, 6:55 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
In a message dated 9/7/16 9 49 57, owen@tadhgcooke.com writes:
I am new to Panteras having bought one one year ago and reworked it extensively i am used to european cars and i know when a chassis twists and therefore is poor on the handling side the pantera is the only car i ever had that will lift 2 opposite wheels off the ground if you jack it from one corner i believe it is an extremely stiff chassis and needs no further stiffening . the suspensions may of course need tuning for specific use but that is all in my opinion my car at least drives like a go-cart
Well, it may be stiffer than your other European cars, but without knowing what they are, that's not saying much. 1950s British roadsters, for instance, are no standard to judge against in this department. :>) The front of the Pantera is fairly rigid, but the rear is extremely flexible. Try jacking a front corner off the ground and see how well the doors, or the decklid open. The four-part chassis stiffening kit addresses this fundamental weakness with the piece that replaces the stock engine bay camber bar. The wide open engine bay is rather like a square cardboard box with the top and bottom open, laid on its side. Push on a corner and it just folds flat. As long as the stock bar (or equivalent to include the adjustable kind) is the only thing there, nothing will prevent this effect from happening. The Hall and Byars kit piece consists of an upper and lower bar, tied together in a parallogram manner. (I'm only talking about the top part of their kit, not the lower part). As long as the top part is affixed in all four places, it will do a tremendous job of stiffening the rear of the car. http://www.precisionproformance.com/pics/rigid4.jpg The other three parts of the kit are arguably much less important, but you can't just buy the one you want/need; you have to buy the whole kit. The front half of my kit is still in the box, gathering dust.... Mike
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Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> 🇺🇸 From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of "cengles@cox.net<mailto:cengles@cox.net>" <cengles@cox.net<mailto:cengles@cox.net>> Date: Thursday, September 8, 2016 8:58 AM To: "larrys@panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>" <larrys@panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 7 Dear Larry, Dumb question: is your brace system available individually or only as a package? Curious, Chuck Engles On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Stock wrote: It is the the lower front end of the Pantera that is the weakest point Mike. The Upper front is well braced, it is the lower A-Arm attachment that is left floundering. The Front affects the rear twist. Remember the rear sway bar affects the front end handling part of 101 suspension tuning? I actually cracked (broke off) my front frame member at the attaching points to the Cabin. The only thing that was holding my Pantera together was my frame brace system. The 4 piece system you refer to does nothing to reinforce this weakest point of the Pantera Frame. Our lower front stiffener is a 5 foot long X to cross brace the ³Splice² the factory used to attach the front frame section to the cabin sheetmetal. Our front brace connects the two front frame rails to the cabin lateral (cross stiffener under the front of the seats) that ties to the 3 piece rocker Box panels. Larry On 9/7/16, 6:55 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: In a message dated 9/7/16 9 49 57, owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com> writes: I am new to Panteras having bought one one year ago and reworked it extensively i am used to european cars and i know when a chassis twists and therefore is poor on the handling side the pantera is the only car i ever had that will lift 2 opposite wheels off the ground if you jack it from one corner i believe it is an extremely stiff chassis and needs no further stiffening . the suspensions may of course need tuning for specific use but that is all in my opinion my car at least drives like a go-cart Well, it may be stiffer than your other European cars, but without knowing what they are, that's not saying much. 1950s British roadsters, for instance, are no standard to judge against in this department. :>) The front of the Pantera is fairly rigid, but the rear is extremely flexible. Try jacking a front corner off the ground and see how well the doors, or the decklid open. The four-part chassis stiffening kit addresses this fundamental weakness with the piece that replaces the stock engine bay camber bar. The wide open engine bay is rather like a square cardboard box with the top and bottom open, laid on its side. Push on a corner and it just folds flat. As long as the stock bar (or equivalent to include the adjustable kind) is the only thing there, nothing will prevent this effect from happening. The Hall and Byars kit piece consists of an upper and lower bar, tied together in a parallogram manner. (I'm only talking about the top part of their kit, not the lower part). As long as the top part is affixed in all four places, it will do a tremendous job of stiffening the rear of the car. http://www.precisionproformance.com/pics/rigid4.jpg The other three parts of the kit are arguably much less important, but you can't just buy the one you want/need; you have to buy the whole kit. The front half of my kit is still in the box, gathering dust.... Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of "[3]cengles@cox.net" <[4]cengles@cox.net> Date: Thursday, September 8, 2016 8:58 AM To: "[5]larrys@panteraparts.com" <[6]larrys@panteraparts.com> Cc: "[7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[8]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 7 Dear Larry, Dumb question: is your brace system available individually or only as a package? Curious, Chuck Engles On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Stock wrote: It is the the lower front end of the Pantera that is the weakest point Mike. The Upper front is well braced, it is the lower A-Arm attachment that is left floundering. The Front affects the rear twist. Remember the rear sway bar affects the front end handling part of 101 suspension tuning? I actually cracked (broke off) my front frame member at the attaching points to the Cabin. The only thing that was holding my Pantera together was my frame brace system. The 4 piece system you refer to does nothing to reinforce this weakest point of the Pantera Frame. Our lower front stiffener is a 5 foot long X to cross brace the ^3Splice^2 the factory used to attach the front frame section to the cabin sheetmetal. Our front brace connects the two front frame rails to the cabin lateral (cross stiffener under the front of the seats) that ties to the 3 piece rocker Box panels. Larry On 9/7/16, 6:55 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" <[9]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of [10]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: In a message dated 9/7/16 9 49 57, [11]owen@tadhgcooke.com writes: I am new to Panteras having bought one one year ago and reworked it extensively i am used to european cars and i know when a chassis twists and therefore is poor on the handling side the pantera is the only car i ever had that will lift 2 opposite wheels off the ground if you jack it from one corner i believe it is an extremely stiff chassis and needs no further stiffening . the suspensions may of course need tuning for specific use but that is all in my opinion my car at least drives like a go-cart Well, it may be stiffer than your other European cars, but without knowing what they are, that's not saying much. 1950s British roadsters, for instance, are no standard to judge against in this department. :>) The front of the Pantera is fairly rigid, but the rear is extremely flexible. Try jacking a front corner off the ground and see how well the doors, or the decklid open. The four-part chassis stiffening kit addresses this fundamental weakness with the piece that replaces the stock engine bay camber bar. The wide open engine bay is rather like a square cardboard box with the top and bottom open, laid on its side. Push on a corner and it just folds flat. As long as the stock bar (or equivalent to include the adjustable kind) is the only thing there, nothing will prevent this effect from happening. The Hall and Byars kit piece consists of an upper and lower bar, tied together in a parallogram manner. (I'm only talking about the top part of their kit, not the lower part). As long as the top part is affixed in all four places, it will do a tremendous job of stiffening the rear of the car. [12]http://www.precisionproformance.com/pics/rigid4.jpg The other three parts of the kit are arguably much less important, but you can't just buy the one you want/need; you have to buy the whole kit. The front half of my kit is still in the box, gathering dust.... Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [13]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [14]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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Either way, individually $500 each or as a package for $850. Larry On 9/8/16, 8:58 AM, "cengles@cox.net" <cengles@cox.net> wrote:
Dear Larry,
Dumb question: is your brace system available individually or only as a package?
Curious, Chuck Engles
On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Stock wrote:
It is the the lower front end of the Pantera that is the weakest point Mike. The Upper front is well braced, it is the lower A-Arm attachment that is left floundering. The Front affects the rear twist. Remember the rear sway bar affects the front end handling part of 101 suspension tuning? I actually cracked (broke off) my front frame member at the attaching points to the Cabin. The only thing that was holding my Pantera together was my frame brace system. The 4 piece system you refer to does nothing to reinforce this weakest point of the Pantera Frame. Our lower front stiffener is a 5 foot long X to cross brace the ³Splice² the factory used to attach the front frame section to the cabin sheetmetal. Our front brace connects the two front frame rails to the cabin lateral (cross stiffener under the front of the seats) that ties to the 3 piece rocker Box panels. Larry
On 9/7/16, 6:55 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
In a message dated 9/7/16 9 49 57, owen@tadhgcooke.com writes:
I am new to Panteras having bought one one year ago and reworked it extensively i am used to european cars and i know when a chassis twists and therefore is poor on the handling side the pantera is the only car i ever had that will lift 2 opposite wheels off the ground if you jack it from one corner i believe it is an extremely stiff chassis and needs no further stiffening . the suspensions may of course need tuning for specific use but that is all in my opinion my car at least drives like a go-cart
Well, it may be stiffer than your other European cars, but without knowing what they are, that's not saying much. 1950s British roadsters, for instance, are no standard to judge against in this department. :>) The front of the Pantera is fairly rigid, but the rear is extremely flexible. Try jacking a front corner off the ground and see how well the doors, or the decklid open. The four-part chassis stiffening kit addresses this fundamental weakness with the piece that replaces the stock engine bay camber bar. The wide open engine bay is rather like a square cardboard box with the top and bottom open, laid on its side. Push on a corner and it just folds flat. As long as the stock bar (or equivalent to include the adjustable kind) is the only thing there, nothing will prevent this effect from happening. The Hall and Byars kit piece consists of an upper and lower bar, tied together in a parallogram manner. (I'm only talking about the top part of their kit, not the lower part). As long as the top part is affixed in all four places, it will do a tremendous job of stiffening the rear of the car. http://www.precisionproformance.com/pics/rigid4.jpg The other three parts of the kit are arguably much less important, but you can't just buy the one you want/need; you have to buy the whole kit. The front half of my kit is still in the box, gathering dust.... Mike
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Larry, I recently installed the removable cross member in the event I should ever need to drop the oil pan. Does your brace system interfere with that if I were to install your system? Thanks, Vinh Ly #7445 On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com> wrote:
Either way, individually $500 each or as a package for $850. Larry
On 9/8/16, 8:58 AM, "cengles@cox.net" <cengles@cox.net> wrote:
Dear Larry,
Dumb question: is your brace system available individually or only as a package?
Curious, Chuck Engles
On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Stock wrote:
It is the the lower front end of the Pantera that is the weakest point Mike. The Upper front is well braced, it is the lower A-Arm attachment that is left floundering. The Front affects the rear twist. Remember the rear sway bar affects the front end handling part of 101 suspension tuning? I actually cracked (broke off) my front frame member at the attaching points to the Cabin. The only thing that was holding my Pantera together was my frame brace system. The 4 piece system you refer to does nothing to reinforce this weakest point of the Pantera Frame. Our lower front stiffener is a 5 foot long X to cross brace the ³Splice² the factory used to attach the front frame section to the cabin sheetmetal. Our front brace connects the two front frame rails to the cabin lateral (cross stiffener under the front of the seats) that ties to the 3 piece rocker Box panels. Larry
On 9/7/16, 6:55 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
In a message dated 9/7/16 9 49 57, owen@tadhgcooke.com writes:
I am new to Panteras having bought one one year ago and reworked it extensively i am used to european cars and i know when a chassis twists and therefore is poor on the handling side the pantera is the only car i ever had that will lift 2 opposite wheels off the ground if you jack it from one corner i believe it is an extremely stiff chassis and needs no further stiffening . the suspensions may of course need tuning for specific use but that is all in my opinion my car at least drives like a go-cart
> Well, it may be stiffer than your other European cars, but without knowing what they are, that's not saying much. 1950s British roadsters, for instance, are no standard to judge against in this department. :>) The front of the Pantera is fairly rigid, but the rear is extremely flexible. Try jacking a front corner off the ground and see how well the doors, or the decklid open. The four-part chassis stiffening kit addresses this fundamental weakness with the piece that replaces the stock engine bay camber bar. The wide open engine bay is rather like a square cardboard box with the top and bottom open, laid on its side. Push on a corner and it just folds flat. As long as the stock bar (or equivalent to include the adjustable kind) is the only thing there, nothing will prevent this effect from happening. The Hall and Byars kit piece consists of an upper and lower bar, tied together in a parallogram manner. (I'm only talking about the top part of their kit, not the lower part). As long as the top part is affixed in all four places, it will do a tremendous job of stiffening the rear of the car. http://www.precisionproformance.com/pics/rigid4.jpg The other three parts of the kit are arguably much less important, but you can't just buy the one you want/need; you have to buy the whole kit. The front half of my kit is still in the box, gathering dust.... Mike
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Larry, I recently installed the removable cross member in the event I should ever need to drop the oil pan.A Does your brace system interfere with that if I were to install your system? Thanks, Vinh Ly #7445 On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Larry Stock <[1]larrys@panteraparts.com> wrote: Either way, individually $500 each or as a package for $850. Larry On 9/8/16, 8:58 AM, "[2]cengles@cox.net" <[3]cengles@cox.net> wrote: >Dear Larry, > > >A A A A A A A Dumb question: is your brace system available individually >or only as a package? > > >A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A Curious,A Chuck Engles > > > > >On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Stock wrote: > >> It is the the lower front end of the Pantera that is the weakest point >> Mike. The Upper front is well braced, it is the lower A-Arm attachment >> that is left floundering. The Front affects the rear twist. Remember >> the >> rear sway bar affects the front end handling part of 101 suspension >> tuning? I actually cracked (broke off) my front frame member at the >> attaching points to the Cabin. The only thing that was holding my >> Pantera >> together was my frame brace system. The 4 piece system you refer to >> does >> nothing to reinforce this weakest point of the Pantera Frame. Our >> lower >> front stiffener is a 5 foot long X to cross brace the A^3SpliceA^2 the >> factory >> used to attach the front frame section to the cabin sheetmetal. Our >> front >> brace connects the two front frame rails to the cabin lateral (cross >> stiffener under the front of the seats) that ties to the 3 piece >> rocker >> Box panels. Larry >> >> On 9/7/16, 6:55 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" >> <[4]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of >> [5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: >> >>>A A In a message dated 9/7/16 9 49 57, [6]owen@tadhgcooke.com writes: >>> >>>A A A I am new to PanterasA having bought one one year ago and reworked >>> it >>>A A A extensively >>>A A A i am used to european cars and i know when a chassis twists and >>>A A A therefore is poor on the handling side >>>A A A the pantera is the only car i ever had that will lift 2 opposite >>>A A A wheels >>>A A A off the ground if you jack it from one corner >>>A A A i believe it is an extremely stiff chassis and needs no further >>>A A A stiffening . >>>A A A the suspensions may of course need tuning for specific useA but >>> that >>>A A A is >>>A A A all in my opinion >>>A A A my car at least drives like a go-cart >>> >>>>>> Well, it may be stiffer than your other European cars, but without >>>A A knowing what they are, that's not saying much.A 1950s British >>>A A roadsters, for instance, are no standard to judge against in this >>>A A department. :>) >>>A A The front of the Pantera is fairly rigid, but the rear is extremely >>>A A flexible.A Try jacking a front corner off the ground and see how >>> well >>>A A the doors, or the decklid open. >>>A A The four-part chassis stiffening kit addresses this fundamental >>>A A weakness with the piece that replaces the stock engine bay camber >>> bar. >>>A A The wide open engine bay is rather like a square cardboard box with >>> the >>>A A top and bottom open, laid on its side.A Push on a corner and it >>> just >>>A A folds flat.A As long as the stock bar (or equivalent to include the >>>A A adjustable kind) is the only thing there, nothing will prevent this >>>A A effect from happening.A The Hall and Byars kit piece consists of an >>>A A upper and lower bar, tied together in a parallogram manner.A (I'm >>> only >>>A A talking about the top part of their kit, not the lower part).A As >>> long >>>A A as the top part is affixed in all four places, it will do a >>> tremendous >>>A A job of stiffening the rear of the car. >>>A A [7]http://www.precisionproformance.com/pics/rigid4.jpg >>>A A The other three parts of the kit are arguably much less important, >>> but >>>A A you can't just buy the one you want/need; you have to buy the whole >>>A A kit. >>>A A The front half of my kit is still in the box, gathering dust.... >>>A A Mike >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> [8]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com >>> [9]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >>> use >>> the links above. >>> >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >>> any >>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >>> list. >>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >>> approve the archiving of list messages. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> [10]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> [11]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >> list. 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The rear brace is a bolt on to the bottom of the engine mount bolts and the rear most suspension A-Arm bolts, so you would need to loosen those to remove it first then loosen and remove your removable crossmember and the removable parking brake pivot bracket to get to your oil pan if the unfortunate need were to arise. Larry From: Vinh Ly <vinh.d.ly@gmail.com> Date: Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM To: Larry Stock <Larrys@PanteraParts.com> Cc: <cengles@cox.net>, Pantera Mail List <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 7 Larry, I recently installed the removable cross member in the event I should ever need to drop the oil pan. Does your brace system interfere with that if I were to install your system? Thanks, Vinh Ly #7445 On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com> wrote:
Either way, individually $500 each or as a package for $850. Larry
On 9/8/16, 8:58 AM, "cengles@cox.net" <cengles@cox.net> wrote:
Dear Larry,
Dumb question: is your brace system available individually or only as a package?
Curious, Chuck Engles
On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Stock wrote:
It is the the lower front end of the Pantera that is the weakest point Mike. The Upper front is well braced, it is the lower A-Arm attachment that is left floundering. The Front affects the rear twist. Remember the rear sway bar affects the front end handling part of 101 suspension tuning? I actually cracked (broke off) my front frame member at the attaching points to the Cabin. The only thing that was holding my Pantera together was my frame brace system. The 4 piece system you refer to does nothing to reinforce this weakest point of the Pantera Frame. Our lower front stiffener is a 5 foot long X to cross brace the ³Splice² the factory used to attach the front frame section to the cabin sheetmetal. Our front brace connects the two front frame rails to the cabin lateral (cross stiffener under the front of the seats) that ties to the 3 piece rocker Box panels. Larry
On 9/7/16, 6:55 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> In a message dated 9/7/16 9 49 57, owen@tadhgcooke.com writes: > > I am new to Panteras having bought one one year ago and reworked > it > extensively > i am used to european cars and i know when a chassis twists and > therefore is poor on the handling side > the pantera is the only car i ever had that will lift 2 opposite > wheels > off the ground if you jack it from one corner > i believe it is an extremely stiff chassis and needs no further > stiffening . > the suspensions may of course need tuning for specific use but > that > is > all in my opinion > my car at least drives like a go-cart > > >>>>>> Well, it may be stiffer than your other European cars, but > without > knowing what they are, that's not saying much. 1950s British > roadsters, for instance, are no standard to judge against in this > department. :>) > The front of the Pantera is fairly rigid, but the rear is extremely > flexible. Try jacking a front corner off the ground and see how > well > the doors, or the decklid open. > The four-part chassis stiffening kit addresses this fundamental > weakness with the piece that replaces the stock engine bay camber > bar. > The wide open engine bay is rather like a square cardboard box with > the > top and bottom open, laid on its side. Push on a corner and it > just > folds flat. As long as the stock bar (or equivalent to include the > adjustable kind) is the only thing there, nothing will prevent this > effect from happening. The Hall and Byars kit piece consists of an > upper and lower bar, tied together in a parallogram manner. (I'm > only > talking about the top part of their kit, not the lower part). As > long > as the top part is affixed in all four places, it will do a > tremendous > job of stiffening the rear of the car. > http://www.precisionproformance.com/pics/rigid4.jpg > The other three parts of the kit are arguably much less important, > but > you can't just buy the one you want/need; you have to buy the whole > kit. > The front half of my kit is still in the box, gathering dust.... > Mike > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or > approve the archiving of list messages.
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The rear brace is a bolt on to the bottom of the engine mount bolts and the rear most suspension A-Arm bolts, so you would need to loosen those to remove it first then loosen and remove your removable crossmember and the removable parking brake pivot bracket to get to your oil pan if the unfortunate need were to arise. Larry From: Vinh Ly <[1]vinh.d.ly@gmail.com> Date: Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM To: Larry Stock <[2]Larrys@PanteraParts.com> Cc: <[3]cengles@cox.net>, Pantera Mail List <[4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 7 Larry, I recently installed the removable cross member in the event I should ever need to drop the oil pan. Does your brace system interfere with that if I were to install your system? Thanks, Vinh Ly #7445 On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Larry Stock <[5]larrys@panteraparts.com> wrote: Either way, individually $500 each or as a package for $850. Larry On 9/8/16, 8:58 AM, "[6]cengles@cox.net" <[7]cengles@cox.net> wrote: >Dear Larry, > > > Dumb question: is your brace system available individually >or only as a package? > > > Curious, Chuck Engles > > > > >On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Stock wrote: > >> It is the the lower front end of the Pantera that is the weakest point >> Mike. The Upper front is well braced, it is the lower A-Arm attachment >> that is left floundering. The Front affects the rear twist. Remember >> the >> rear sway bar affects the front end handling part of 101 suspension >> tuning? I actually cracked (broke off) my front frame member at the >> attaching points to the Cabin. The only thing that was holding my >> Pantera >> together was my frame brace system. The 4 piece system you refer to >> does >> nothing to reinforce this weakest point of the Pantera Frame. Our >> lower >> front stiffener is a 5 foot long X to cross brace the (c)o/Splice(c)-: the >> factory >> used to attach the front frame section to the cabin sheetmetal. Our >> front >> brace connects the two front frame rails to the cabin lateral (cross >> stiffener under the front of the seats) that ties to the 3 piece >> rocker >> Box panels. Larry >> >> On 9/7/16, 6:55 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" >> <[8]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of >> [9]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: >> >>> In a message dated 9/7/16 9 49 57, [10]owen@tadhgcooke.com writes: >>> >>> I am new to Panteras having bought one one year ago and reworked >>> it >>> extensively >>> i am used to european cars and i know when a chassis twists and >>> therefore is poor on the handling side >>> the pantera is the only car i ever had that will lift 2 opposite >>> wheels >>> off the ground if you jack it from one corner >>> i believe it is an extremely stiff chassis and needs no further >>> stiffening . >>> the suspensions may of course need tuning for specific use but >>> that >>> is >>> all in my opinion >>> my car at least drives like a go-cart >>> >>>>>> Well, it may be stiffer than your other European cars, but without >>> knowing what they are, that's not saying much. 1950s British >>> roadsters, for instance, are no standard to judge against in this >>> department. :>) >>> The front of the Pantera is fairly rigid, but the rear is extremely >>> flexible. Try jacking a front corner off the ground and see how >>> well >>> the doors, or the decklid open. >>> The four-part chassis stiffening kit addresses this fundamental >>> weakness with the piece that replaces the stock engine bay camber >>> bar. >>> The wide open engine bay is rather like a square cardboard box with >>> the >>> top and bottom open, laid on its side. Push on a corner and it >>> just >>> folds flat. As long as the stock bar (or equivalent to include the >>> adjustable kind) is the only thing there, nothing will prevent this >>> effect from happening. The Hall and Byars kit piece consists of an >>> upper and lower bar, tied together in a parallogram manner. (I'm >>> only >>> talking about the top part of their kit, not the lower part). As >>> long >>> as the top part is affixed in all four places, it will do a >>> tremendous >>> job of stiffening the rear of the car. >>> [11]http://www.precisionproformance.com/pics/rigid4.jpg >>> The other three parts of the kit are arguably much less important, >>> but >>> you can't just buy the one you want/need; you have to buy the whole >>> kit. >>> The front half of my kit is still in the box, gathering dust.... >>> Mike >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> [12]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com >>> [13]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >>> use >>> the links above. >>> >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >>> any >>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >>> list. >>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >>> approve the archiving of list messages. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> [14]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> [15]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >> list. 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Larry, I can't seem to find it on your website. Jeff 6559 On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com> wrote:
The rear brace is a bolt on to the bottom of the engine mount bolts and the rear most suspension A-Arm bolts, so you would need to loosen those to remove it first then loosen and remove your removable crossmember and the removable parking brake pivot bracket to get to your oil pan if the unfortunate need were to arise.
Larry
From: Vinh Ly <[1]vinh.d.ly@gmail.com> Date: Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM To: Larry Stock <[2]Larrys@PanteraParts.com> Cc: <[3]cengles@cox.net>, Pantera Mail List <[4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 7
Larry, I recently installed the removable cross member in the event I should ever need to drop the oil pan. Does your brace system interfere with that if I were to install your system? Thanks, Vinh Ly #7445
On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Larry Stock <[5]larrys@panteraparts.com> wrote:
Either way, individually $500 each or as a package for $850. Larry On 9/8/16, 8:58 AM, "[6]cengles@cox.net" <[7]cengles@cox.net> wrote: >Dear Larry, > > > Dumb question: is your brace system available individually >or only as a package? > > > Curious, Chuck Engles > > > > >On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Stock wrote: > >> It is the the lower front end of the Pantera that is the weakest point >> Mike. The Upper front is well braced, it is the lower A-Arm attachment >> that is left floundering. The Front affects the rear twist. Remember >> the >> rear sway bar affects the front end handling part of 101 suspension >> tuning? I actually cracked (broke off) my front frame member at the >> attaching points to the Cabin. The only thing that was holding my >> Pantera >> together was my frame brace system. The 4 piece system you refer to >> does >> nothing to reinforce this weakest point of the Pantera Frame. Our >> lower >> front stiffener is a 5 foot long X to cross brace the (c)o/Splice(c)-: the >> factory >> used to attach the front frame section to the cabin sheetmetal. Our >> front >> brace connects the two front frame rails to the cabin lateral (cross >> stiffener under the front of the seats) that ties to the 3 piece >> rocker >> Box panels. Larry >> >> On 9/7/16, 6:55 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" >> <[8]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of >> [9]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: >> >>> In a message dated 9/7/16 9 49 57, [10]owen@tadhgcooke.com writes: >>> >>> I am new to Panteras having bought one one year ago and reworked >>> it >>> extensively >>> i am used to european cars and i know when a chassis twists and >>> therefore is poor on the handling side >>> the pantera is the only car i ever had that will lift 2 opposite >>> wheels >>> off the ground if you jack it from one corner >>> i believe it is an extremely stiff chassis and needs no further >>> stiffening . >>> the suspensions may of course need tuning for specific use but >>> that >>> is >>> all in my opinion >>> my car at least drives like a go-cart >>> >>>>>> Well, it may be stiffer than your other European cars, but without >>> knowing what they are, that's not saying much. 1950s British >>> roadsters, for instance, are no standard to judge against in this >>> department. :>) >>> The front of the Pantera is fairly rigid, but the rear is extremely >>> flexible. Try jacking a front corner off the ground and see how >>> well >>> the doors, or the decklid open. >>> The four-part chassis stiffening kit addresses this fundamental >>> weakness with the piece that replaces the stock engine bay camber >>> bar. >>> The wide open engine bay is rather like a square cardboard box with >>> the >>> top and bottom open, laid on its side. Push on a corner and it >>> just >>> folds flat. As long as the stock bar (or equivalent to include the >>> adjustable kind) is the only thing there, nothing will prevent this >>> effect from happening. The Hall and Byars kit piece consists of an >>> upper and lower bar, tied together in a parallogram manner. (I'm >>> only >>> talking about the top part of their kit, not the lower part). As >>> long >>> as the top part is affixed in all four places, it will do a >>> tremendous >>> job of stiffening the rear of the car. >>> [11]http://www.precisionproformance.com/pics/rigid4.jpg >>> The other three parts of the kit are arguably much less important, >>> but >>> you can't just buy the one you want/need; you have to buy the whole >>> kit. >>> The front half of my kit is still in the box, gathering dust.... >>> Mike >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> [12]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com >>> [13]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >>> use >>> the links above. >>> >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >>> any >>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >>> list. >>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >>> approve the archiving of list messages. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> [14]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> [15]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >> list. 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Larry, I can't seem to find it on your website. Jeff 6559 On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Larry Stock <[1]larrys@panteraparts.com> wrote: A A The rear brace is a bolt on to the bottom of the engine mount bolts and A A the rear most suspension A-Arm bolts, so you would need to loosen those A A to remove it first then loosen and remove your removable crossmember A A and the removable parking brake pivot bracket to get to your oil pan if A A the unfortunate need were to arise. A A Larry A A From: Vinh Ly <[1][2]vinh.d.ly@gmail.com> A A Date: Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM A A To: Larry Stock <[2]Larrys@PanteraParts.com> A A Cc: <[3][3]cengles@cox.net>, Pantera Mail List A A <[4][4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 7 A A Larry, A A I recently installed the removable cross member in the event I should A A ever need to drop the oil pan.A Does your brace system interfere with A A that if I were to install your system? A A Thanks, A A Vinh Ly A A #7445 A A On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Larry Stock A A <[5][5]larrys@panteraparts.com> wrote: A A A Either way, individually $500 each or as a package for $850. A A A Larry A A A On 9/8/16, 8:58 AM, "[6][6]cengles@cox.net" <[7][7]cengles@cox.net> wrote: A A A >Dear Larry, A A A > A A A > A A A >A A A A A A A Dumb question: is your brace system available A A A individually A A A >or only as a package? A A A > A A A > A A A >A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A Curious,A Chuck Engles A A A > A A A > A A A > A A A > A A A >On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Stock wrote: A A A > A A A >> It is the the lower front end of the Pantera that is the weakest A A A point A A A >> Mike. The Upper front is well braced, it is the lower A-Arm A A A attachment A A A >> that is left floundering. The Front affects the rear twist. A A A Remember A A A >> the A A A >> rear sway bar affects the front end handling part of 101 A A A suspension A A A >> tuning? I actually cracked (broke off) my front frame member at A A A the A A A >> attaching points to the Cabin. The only thing that was holding my A A A >> Pantera A A A >> together was my frame brace system. The 4 piece system you refer A A A to A A A >> does A A A >> nothing to reinforce this weakest point of the Pantera Frame. Our A A A >> lower A A A >> front stiffener is a 5 foot long X to cross brace the A A A (c)o/Splice(c)-: the A A A >> factory A A A >> used to attach the front frame section to the cabin sheetmetal. A A A Our A A A >> front A A A >> brace connects the two front frame rails to the cabin lateral A A A (cross A A A >> stiffener under the front of the seats) that ties to the 3 piece A A A >> rocker A A A >> Box panels. Larry A A A >> A A A >> On 9/7/16, 6:55 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via A A A DeTomaso" A A A >> <[8][8]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of A A A >> [9][9]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: A A A >> A A A >>>A A In a message dated 9/7/16 9 49 57, [10][10]owen@tadhgcooke.com A A A writes: A A A >>> A A A >>>A A A I am new to PanterasA having bought one one year ago and A A A reworked A A A >>> it A A A >>>A A A extensively A A A >>>A A A i am used to european cars and i know when a chassis twists A A A and A A A >>>A A A therefore is poor on the handling side A A A >>>A A A the pantera is the only car i ever had that will lift 2 A A A opposite A A A >>>A A A wheels A A A >>>A A A off the ground if you jack it from one corner A A A >>>A A A i believe it is an extremely stiff chassis and needs no A A A further A A A >>>A A A stiffening . A A A >>>A A A the suspensions may of course need tuning for specific use A A A but A A A >>> that A A A >>>A A A is A A A >>>A A A all in my opinion A A A >>>A A A my car at least drives like a go-cart A A A >>> A A A >>>>>> Well, it may be stiffer than your other European cars, but A A A without A A A >>>A A knowing what they are, that's not saying much.A 1950s British A A A >>>A A roadsters, for instance, are no standard to judge against in A A A this A A A >>>A A department. :>) A A A >>>A A The front of the Pantera is fairly rigid, but the rear is A A A extremely A A A >>>A A flexible.A Try jacking a front corner off the ground and see A A A how A A A >>> well A A A >>>A A the doors, or the decklid open. A A A >>>A A The four-part chassis stiffening kit addresses this A A A fundamental A A A >>>A A weakness with the piece that replaces the stock engine bay A A A camber A A A >>> bar. A A A >>>A A The wide open engine bay is rather like a square cardboard box A A A with A A A >>> the A A A >>>A A top and bottom open, laid on its side.A Push on a corner and A A A it A A A >>> just A A A >>>A A folds flat.A As long as the stock bar (or equivalent to A A A include the A A A >>>A A adjustable kind) is the only thing there, nothing will prevent A A A this A A A >>>A A effect from happening.A The Hall and Byars kit piece consists A A A of an A A A >>>A A upper and lower bar, tied together in a parallogram manner. A A A (I'm A A A >>> only A A A >>>A A talking about the top part of their kit, not the lower part). A A A As A A A >>> long A A A >>>A A as the top part is affixed in all four places, it will do a A A A >>> tremendous A A A >>>A A job of stiffening the rear of the car. A A A >>>A A [11][11]http://www.precisionproformance.com/pics/ rigid4.jpg A A A >>>A A The other three parts of the kit are arguably much less A A A important, A A A >>> but A A A >>>A A you can't just buy the one you want/need; you have to buy the A A A whole A A A >>>A A kit. A A A >>>A A The front half of my kit is still in the box, gathering A A A dust.... A A A >>>A A Mike A A A >>> _______________________________________________ A A A >>> A A A >>> A A A >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA A A A >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes A A A >>> DeTomaso mailing list A A A >>> [12][12]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A A >>> [13][13]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/ listinfo/detomaso A A A >>> A A A >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, A A A etc.) A A A >>> use A A A >>> the links above. 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cengles＠cox.net -
Himes, Terry (397C) -
Jeff Detrich -
Larry Stock -
Vinh Ly