It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace period without notice. The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place. The return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven. Simply, use the money to pay for our publication costs. PROPOSED: $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 publication estimate – per MS. Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year. Carrying 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year. Divide that into 100,000 means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. OPINION: I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has proposed. Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for improvement. (Information taken from the President’s Blog.) It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace period without notice. The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place. The return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven. Simply, use the money to pay for our publication costs. PROPOSED: $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 publication estimate per MS. Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year. Carrying 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year. Divide that into 100,000 means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. OPINION: I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has proposed. Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for improvement. (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.)
See below.
On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com> wrote:
It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace period without notice.
False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning at 30 days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club, Ferrari club, Porsche club, they all have similar rules.
The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place. The return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven. Simply, use the money to pay for our publication costs.
False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority chapter presidents.
PROPOSED: $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 publication estimate per MS.
That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive quotes for printing to try and save money. MS found a printer that is $8000 per year cheaper than the one we are currently using.
Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year. Carrying 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year. Divide that into 100,000 means funding covers 46.5 YEARS.
False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve in the bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in reserve. You can google there income statements.
OPINION:
I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has proposed. Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for
False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things we have coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in fact there very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best interest of the club This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and should not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look bad. If you have an issue talk with someone about your concern, preferably your chapter president, they are your representative as in any organization. It's very easy to simply pick up the phone instead of using this email list as a podium for your disdain of MS. It's obvious, we get it. Please take it offline. If you think you can do a better job than volunteer as I did, and many others before me, and run for office. Kind regards
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Thank you all for your opinions and input. I'm following the by-laws for accuracy in the proposed actions and those already happening. So far, I haven't found true discrepancies, so will continue reading. If I need extra clarification, I will definitely first address it with my chapter president and then with our POCA leaders. Sent from Effie's iPad
On May 28, 2016, at 11:12 PM, Ed Mendez <edducati@mac.com> wrote:
See below.
On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com> wrote:
It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace period without notice.
False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning at 30 days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club, Ferrari club, Porsche club, they all have similar rules.
The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place. The return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven. Simply, use the money to pay for our publication costs.
False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority chapter presidents.
PROPOSED: $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 publication estimate per MS.
That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive quotes for printing to try and save money. MS found a printer that is $8000 per year cheaper than the one we are currently using.
Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year. Carrying 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year. Divide that into 100,000 means funding covers 46.5 YEARS.
False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve in the bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in reserve. You can google there income statements.
OPINION:
I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has proposed. Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for
False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things we have coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in fact there very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best interest of the club
This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and should not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look bad. If you have an issue talk with someone about your concern, preferably your chapter president, they are your representative as in any organization. It's very easy to simply pick up the phone instead of using this email list as a podium for your disdain of MS. It's obvious, we get it. Please take it offline.
If you think you can do a better job than volunteer as I did, and many others before me, and run for office.
Kind regards
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Ed, thanks for the clarification of the misinformation and non-productive comments that have been made in recent weeks, many very personal and vindictive, and quite frankly detrimental to the club. It is good to have different points of view on club business. But to present one's point of view in a negative and personal manner, does nothing but diminish that person's potentially valued point, and their persona in the eyes of others.
From some of the comments made, it appears obvious to me that many of the detractors do not have much experience in running a business. And make no mistake POCA is a business, albeit a non-profit one. To thrive, this club must not stand on it's laurels, but continue to enhance it's value add to it's customers.
As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the newsletter, for the board to not look for less expensive options, as with any other expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible. I can only wonder what is going on behind the scenes that would have folks want to stay with a service provider that is noncompetitive and provides less for much more money. We have enough cronyism in our government. Hopefully that is not the case here, and there has been a reason for keeping a more expensive service that provides less. I won't bother to comment on the absurdity of continuing to mail the newsletter, that can be printed by anyone that is not to lazy to take 3 minutes to print it, since that may be construed as negative. As regards to a point Ed stated, the club is not run by one person. Each person on the board has a say, with a majority required to decide on every issue. Pointing ones frustration at one person is just that, pointless. Items approved by the board, were "sold" to the board by a member of the board to the other members of the board, showing how approving that item would benefit the club member's experience, with the underlying financial implications outlined that would strengthen the clubs long term financial health. Constructive criticism is just that: criticism presented in a constructive manner, with negative comments of a personal nature irrelevant and therefore non-constructive. I for one think the new POCA board is doing a fantastic job, and to think they are doing their job for free. What a deal... By the way, if someone feels they want to get personal with their comments, take it out on me. I deserve it for letting 6831 sit idle with a blown header gasket for years. Peace, fellow "cat" owners. Dick Koch - Atlanta Still one of the few remaining original Pantera owners still lucky enough to be on the sunny side of the grass. On May 29, 2016 2:12 AM, "Ed Mendez" <edducati@mac.com> wrote:
See below.
On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com> wrote:
It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace period without notice.
False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning at 30 days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club, Ferrari club, Porsche club, they all have similar rules.
The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place. The return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven. Simply, use the money to pay for our publication costs.
False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority chapter presidents.
PROPOSED: $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 publication estimate per MS.
That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive quotes for printing to try and save money. MS found a printer that is $8000 per year cheaper than the one we are currently using.
Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year. Carrying 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year. Divide that into 100,000 means funding covers 46.5 YEARS.
False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve in the bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in reserve. You can google there income statements.
OPINION:
I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has proposed. Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for
False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things we have coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in fact there very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best interest of the club
This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and should not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look bad. If you have an issue talk with someone about your concern, preferably your chapter president, they are your representative as in any organization. It's very easy to simply pick up the phone instead of using this email list as a podium for your disdain of MS. It's obvious, we get it. Please take it offline.
If you think you can do a better job than volunteer as I did, and many others before me, and run for office.
Kind regards
(Information taken from the Presidents Blog.) _______________________________________________
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Ed, thanks for the clarification of the misinformation and non-productive comments that have been made in recent weeks, many very personal and vindictive, and quite frankly detrimental to the club. It is good to have different points of view on club business. But to present one's point of view in a negative and personalA manner, does nothing but diminish that person's potentially valued point, and their persona in the eyes of others. From some of the comments made, it appears obvious to me that many of the detractors do not have much experience in running a business. And make no mistake POCA is a business, albeit a non-profit one. To thrive, this club must not stand on it's laurels, but continue to enhance it's value add to it's customers. As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the newsletter, for the board to not look for less expensive options, as with any other expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible. I can only wonder what is going on behind the scenes that would have folks want to stay with a service provider that is noncompetitive and provides less for much more money.A We have enough cronyism in our government. Hopefully that is not the case here, and there has been a reason for keeping a more expensive service that provides less. I won't bother to comment on the absurdity of continuing to mail the newsletter, that can be printed by anyoneA that is not to lazy to take 3 minutes to print it, since that may be construed as negative. As regards to a point Ed stated, the club is not run by one person.A Each person on the board has a say, with a majority required to decide on every issue. Pointing ones frustration at one person is just that, pointless. Items approved by the board, were "sold" to the board by a member of the board to the other members of the board, showing how approving that item would benefit the club member's experience, with the underlying financial implications outlined that would strengthen the clubs long term financial health. Constructive criticism is just that: criticism presented in a constructive manner, with negative comments of a personal nature irrelevant and therefore non-constructive. I for one think the new POCA board is doing a fantastic job, and to think they are doing their job for free. What a deal... By the way, if someone feels they want to get personal with their comments, take it out on me.A I deserve it for letting 6831 sit idle with a blown header gasket for years. Peace, fellow "cat" owners. Dick Koch - Atlanta Still one of the few remaining original Pantera owners still lucky enough to be on the sunny side of the grass. On May 29, 2016 2:12 AM, "Ed Mendez" <[1]edducati@mac.com> wrote: See below. > On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige <[2]rkunishige@hotmail.com> wrote: > >A It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace period >A without notice. False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning at 30 days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club, Ferrari club, Porsche club, they all have similar rules. > >A The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased >A rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place.A The >A return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven.A Simply, use >A the money to pay for our publication costs. False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority chapter presidents. >A PROPOSED:A $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 >A publication estimate per MS. That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive quotes for printing to try and save money. MS found a printer that is $8000 per year cheaper than the one we are currently using. > >A Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year.A Carrying >A 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year.A Divide that into 100,000 >A means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve in the bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in reserve. You can google there income statements. >A OPINION: > >A I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but >A there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has >A proposed.A Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the >A actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things we have coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in fact there very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best interest of the club This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and should not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look bad. If you have an issue talk with someone about your concern, preferably your chapter president, they are your representative as in any organization. It's very easy to simply pick up the phone instead of using this email list as a podium for your disdain of MS. It's obvious, we get it. Please take it offline. If you think you can do a better job than volunteer as I did, and many others before me, and run for office. 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Thank you Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
On 29/05/2016, at 09:57, Dick Koch <redcatman74@gmail.com> wrote:
Ed, thanks for the clarification of the misinformation and non-productive comments that have been made in recent weeks, many very personal and vindictive, and quite frankly detrimental to the club.
It is good to have different points of view on club business. But to present one's point of view in a negative and personal manner, does nothing but diminish that person's potentially valued point, and their persona in the eyes of others.
From some of the comments made, it appears obvious to me that many of the detractors do not have much experience in running a business. And make no mistake POCA is a business, albeit a non-profit one. To thrive, this club must not stand on it's laurels, but continue to enhance it's value add to it's customers.
As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the newsletter, for the board to not look for less expensive options, as with any other expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible.
I can only wonder what is going on behind the scenes that would have folks want to stay with a service provider that is noncompetitive and provides less for much more money. We have enough cronyism in our government. Hopefully that is not the case here, and there has been a reason for keeping a more expensive service that provides less.
I won't bother to comment on the absurdity of continuing to mail the newsletter, that can be printed by anyone that is not to lazy to take 3 minutes to print it, since that may be construed as negative.
As regards to a point Ed stated, the club is not run by one person. Each person on the board has a say, with a majority required to decide on every issue. Pointing ones frustration at one person is just that, pointless.
Items approved by the board, were "sold" to the board by a member of the board to the other members of the board, showing how approving that item would benefit the club member's experience, with the underlying financial implications outlined that would strengthen the clubs long term financial health.
Constructive criticism is just that: criticism presented in a constructive manner, with negative comments of a personal nature irrelevant and therefore non-constructive.
I for one think the new POCA board is doing a fantastic job, and to think they are doing their job for free. What a deal...
By the way, if someone feels they want to get personal with their comments, take it out on me. I deserve it for letting 6831 sit idle with a blown header gasket for years.
Peace, fellow "cat" owners.
Dick Koch - Atlanta Still one of the few remaining original Pantera owners still lucky enough to be on the sunny side of the grass.
On May 29, 2016 2:12 AM, "Ed Mendez" <edducati@mac.com> wrote: See below.
On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com> wrote:
It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace period without notice.
False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning at 30 days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club, Ferrari club, Porsche club, they all have similar rules.
The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place. The return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven. Simply, use the money to pay for our publication costs.
False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority chapter presidents.
PROPOSED: $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 publication estimate per MS.
That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive quotes for printing to try and save money. MS found a printer that is $8000 per year cheaper than the one we are currently using.
Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year. Carrying 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year. Divide that into 100,000 means funding covers 46.5 YEARS.
False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve in the bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in reserve. You can google there income statements.
OPINION:
I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has proposed. Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for
False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things we have coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in fact there very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best interest of the club
This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and should not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look bad. If you have an issue talk with someone about your concern, preferably your chapter president, they are your representative as in any organization. It's very easy to simply pick up the phone instead of using this email list as a podium for your disdain of MS. It's obvious, we get it. Please take it offline.
If you think you can do a better job than volunteer as I did, and many others before me, and run for office.
Kind regards
(Information taken from the Presidents Blog.) _______________________________________________
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Thank you Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus On 29/05/2016, at 09:57, Dick Koch <[1]redcatman74@gmail.com> wrote: Ed, thanks for the clarification of the misinformation and non-productive comments that have been made in recent weeks, many very personal and vindictive, and quite frankly detrimental to the club. It is good to have different points of view on club business. But to present one's point of view in a negative and personal manner, does nothing but diminish that person's potentially valued point, and their persona in the eyes of others. From some of the comments made, it appears obvious to me that many of the detractors do not have much experience in running a business. And make no mistake POCA is a business, albeit a non-profit one. To thrive, this club must not stand on it's laurels, but continue to enhance it's value add to it's customers. As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the newsletter, for the board to not look for less expensive options, as with any other expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible. I can only wonder what is going on behind the scenes that would have folks want to stay with a service provider that is noncompetitive and provides less for much more money. We have enough cronyism in our government. Hopefully that is not the case here, and there has been a reason for keeping a more expensive service that provides less. I won't bother to comment on the absurdity of continuing to mail the newsletter, that can be printed by anyone that is not to lazy to take 3 minutes to print it, since that may be construed as negative. As regards to a point Ed stated, the club is not run by one person. Each person on the board has a say, with a majority required to decide on every issue. Pointing ones frustration at one person is just that, pointless. Items approved by the board, were "sold" to the board by a member of the board to the other members of the board, showing how approving that item would benefit the club member's experience, with the underlying financial implications outlined that would strengthen the clubs long term financial health. Constructive criticism is just that: criticism presented in a constructive manner, with negative comments of a personal nature irrelevant and therefore non-constructive. I for one think the new POCA board is doing a fantastic job, and to think they are doing their job for free. What a deal... By the way, if someone feels they want to get personal with their comments, take it out on me. I deserve it for letting 6831 sit idle with a blown header gasket for years. Peace, fellow "cat" owners. Dick Koch - Atlanta Still one of the few remaining original Pantera owners still lucky enough to be on the sunny side of the grass. On May 29, 2016 2:12 AM, "Ed Mendez" <[2]edducati@mac.com> wrote: See below. > On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige <[3]rkunishige@hotmail.com> wrote: > > It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace period > without notice. False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning at 30 days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club, Ferrari club, Porsche club, they all have similar rules. > > The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased > rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place. The > return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven. Simply, use > the money to pay for our publication costs. False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority chapter presidents. > PROPOSED: $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 > publication estimate per MS. That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive quotes for printing to try and save money. MS found a printer that is $8000 per year cheaper than the one we are currently using. > > Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year. Carrying > 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year. Divide that into 100,000 > means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve in the bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in reserve. You can google there income statements. > OPINION: > > I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but > there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has > proposed. Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the > actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things we have coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in fact there very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best interest of the club This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and should not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look bad. If you have an issue talk with someone about your concern, preferably your chapter president, they are your representative as in any organization. It's very easy to simply pick up the phone instead of using this email list as a podium for your disdain of MS. It's obvious, we get it. Please take it offline. If you think you can do a better job than volunteer as I did, and many others before me, and run for office. 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Thank you for your extremely intelligent and brave point of view! Your signing salutation is awesome! PEACE FELLOW CAT OWNERS! I second that! Sent from Effie's iPad
On May 29, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Dick Koch <redcatman74@gmail.com> wrote:
Ed, thanks for the clarification of the misinformation and non-productive comments that have been made in recent weeks, many very personal and vindictive, and quite frankly detrimental to the club.
It is good to have different points of view on club business. But to present one's point of view in a negative and personalA manner, does nothing but diminish that person's potentially valued point, and their persona in the eyes of others.
From some of the comments made, it appears obvious to me that many of the detractors do not have much experience in running a business. And make no mistake POCA is a business, albeit a non-profit one. To thrive, this club must not stand on it's laurels, but continue to enhance it's value add to it's customers.
As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the newsletter, for the board to not look for less expensive options, as with any other expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible.
I can only wonder what is going on behind the scenes that would have folks want to stay with a service provider that is noncompetitive and provides less for much more money.A We have enough cronyism in our government. Hopefully that is not the case here, and there has been a reason for keeping a more expensive service that provides less.
I won't bother to comment on the absurdity of continuing to mail the newsletter, that can be printed by anyoneA that is not to lazy to take 3 minutes to print it, since that may be construed as negative.
As regards to a point Ed stated, the club is not run by one person.A Each person on the board has a say, with a majority required to decide on every issue. Pointing ones frustration at one person is just that, pointless.
Items approved by the board, were "sold" to the board by a member of the board to the other members of the board, showing how approving that item would benefit the club member's experience, with the underlying financial implications outlined that would strengthen the clubs long term financial health.
Constructive criticism is just that: criticism presented in a constructive manner, with negative comments of a personal nature irrelevant and therefore non-constructive.
I for one think the new POCA board is doing a fantastic job, and to think they are doing their job for free. What a deal...
By the way, if someone feels they want to get personal with their comments, take it out on me.A I deserve it for letting 6831 sit idle with a blown header gasket for years.
Peace, fellow "cat" owners.
Dick Koch - Atlanta Still one of the few remaining original Pantera owners still lucky enough to be on the sunny side of the grass.
On May 29, 2016 2:12 AM, "Ed Mendez" <[1]edducati@mac.com> wrote:
See below.
On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige <[2]rkunishige@hotmail.com> wrote:
A It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace period A without notice. False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning at 30 days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club, Ferrari club, Porsche club, they all have similar rules.
A The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased A rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place.A The A return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven.A Simply, use A the money to pay for our publication costs. False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority chapter presidents. A PROPOSED:A $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 A publication estimate per MS. That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive quotes for printing to try and save money. MS found a printer that is $8000 per year cheaper than the one we are currently using.
A Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year.A Carrying A 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year.A Divide that into 100,000 A means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve in the bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in reserve. You can google there income statements. A OPINION:
A I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but A there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has A proposed.A Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the A actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things we have coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in fact there very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best interest of the club This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and should not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look bad. If you have an issue talk with someone about your concern, preferably your chapter president, they are your representative as in any organization. It's very easy to simply pick up the phone instead of using this email list as a podium for your disdain of MS. It's obvious, we get it. Please take it offline. If you think you can do a better job than volunteer as I did, and many others before me, and run for office. Kind regards A (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.) _______________________________________________
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On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige <[2][2]rkunishige@hotmail.com> wrote:
A It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace
A without notice. False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning at 30 days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club, Ferrari club, Porsche club, they all have similar rules.
A The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased A rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first
A return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven.A Simply, use A the money to pay for our publication costs. False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority chapter presidents. A PROPOSED:A $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 A publication estimate per MS. That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive quotes for printing to try and save money. MS found a printer that is $8000 per year cheaper than the one we are currently using.
A Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year.A Carrying A 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year.A Divide that into 100,000 A means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve in
A OPINION:
A I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but A there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has A proposed.A Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing
A actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things we have coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in fact there very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best interest of the club This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and should not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look bad. If you have an issue talk with someone about your concern,
A (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.) _______________________________________________
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Looking for a new printer does need to be done by those who can do so with experience and also those who have to deal with the printer on a month to month basis. That was not done in this case so THAT was irresponsible plus just suddenly telling the two editors that we were changing printers was not acceptable. This like nearly every 'suggestion' thus made this year has been with only one mind behind them; quite like a very spoiled child. Its been a big disappointment in a couple of board members to just follow along like grade school kids; quite frankly I thought our club was mainly adults but unfortunately not so. This is a club, NOT a dictatorship!! Judy As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the newsletter, for the board to not look for less expensive options, as with any other expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible. -----Original Message----- From: Dick Koch <redcatman74@gmail.com> To: Ed Mendez <edducati@mac.com> Cc: detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Sun, May 29, 2016 9:57 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis Ed, thanks for the clarification of the misinformation and non-productive comments that have been made in recent weeks, many very personal and vindictive, and quite frankly detrimental to the club. It is good to have different points of view on club business. But to present one's point of view in a negative and personalA manner, does nothing but diminish that person's potentially valued point, and their persona in the eyes of others. From some of the comments made, it appears obvious to me that many of the detractors do not have much experience in running a business. And make no mistake POCA is a business, albeit a non-profit one. To thrive, this club must not stand on it's laurels, but continue to enhance it's value add to it's customers. As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the newsletter, for the board to not look for less expensive options, as with any other expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible. I can only wonder what is going on behind the scenes that would have folks want to stay with a service provider that is noncompetitive and provides less for much more money.A We have enough cronyism in our government. Hopefully that is not the case here, and there has been a reason for keeping a more expensive service that provides less. I won't bother to comment on the absurdity of continuing to mail the newsletter, that can be printed by anyoneA that is not to lazy to take 3 minutes to print it, since that may be construed as negative. As regards to a point Ed stated, the club is not run by one person.A Each person on the board has a say, with a majority required to decide on every issue. Pointing ones frustration at one person is just that, pointless. Items approved by the board, were "sold" to the board by a member of the board to the other members of the board, showing how approving that item would benefit the club member's experience, with the underlying financial implications outlined that would strengthen the clubs long term financial health. Constructive criticism is just that: criticism presented in a constructive manner, with negative comments of a personal nature irrelevant and therefore non-constructive. I for one think the new POCA board is doing a fantastic job, and to think they are doing their job for free. What a deal... By the way, if someone feels they want to get personal with their comments, take it out on me.A I deserve it for letting 6831 sit idle with a blown header gasket for years. Peace, fellow "cat" owners. Dick Koch - Atlanta Still one of the few remaining original Pantera owners still lucky enough to be on the sunny side of the grass. On May 29, 2016 2:12 AM, "Ed Mendez" <[1]edducati@mac.com> wrote: See below. > On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige <[2]rkunishige@hotmail.com> wrote: > >A It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace period >A without notice. False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning at 30 days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club, Ferrari club, Porsche club, they all have similar rules. > >A The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased >A rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place.A The >A return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven.A Simply, use >A the money to pay for our publication costs. False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority chapter presidents. >A PROPOSED:A $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 >A publication estimate per MS. That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive quotes for printing to try and save money. MS found a printer that is $8000 per year cheaper than the one we are currently using. > >A Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year.A Carrying >A 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year.A Divide that into 100,000 >A means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve in the bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in reserve. You can google there income statements. >A OPINION: > >A I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but >A there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has >A proposed.A Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the >A actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things we have coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in fact there very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best interest of the club This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and should not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look bad. If you have an issue talk with someone about your concern, preferably your chapter president, they are your representative as in any organization. It's very easy to simply pick up the phone instead of using this email list as a podium for your disdain of MS. It's obvious, we get it. Please take it offline. If you think you can do a better job than volunteer as I did, and many others before me, and run for office. Kind regards >A (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.) > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [3]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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Looking for a new printer does need to be done by those who can do so with experience and also those who have to deal with the printer on a month to month basis. That was not done in this case so THAT was irresponsible plus just suddenly telling the two editors that we were changing printers was not acceptable. This like nearly every 'suggestion' thus made this year has been with only one mind behind them; quite like a very spoiled child. Its been a big disappointment in a couple of board members to just follow along like grade school kids; quite frankly I thought our club was mainly adults but unfortunately not so. This is a club, NOT a dictatorship!! Judy As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the newsletter, for the board to not look for less expensive options, as with any other expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible. -----Original Message----- From: Dick Koch <redcatman74@gmail.com> To: Ed Mendez <edducati@mac.com> Cc: detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Sun, May 29, 2016 9:57 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis Ed, thanks for the clarification of the misinformation and non-productive comments that have been made in recent weeks, many very personal and vindictive, and quite frankly detrimental to the club. It is good to have different points of view on club business. But to present one's point of view in a negative and personalA manner, does nothing but diminish that person's potentially valued point, and their persona in the eyes of others. From some of the comments made, it appears obvious to me that many of the detractors do not have much experience in running a business. And make no mistake POCA is a business, albeit a non-profit one. To thrive, this club must not stand on it's laurels, but continue to enhance it's value add to it's customers. As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the newsletter, for the board to not look for less expensive options, as with any other expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible. I can only wonder what is going on behind the scenes that would have folks want to stay with a service provider that is noncompetitive and provides less for much more money.A We have enough cronyism in our government. Hopefully that is not the case here, and there has been a reason for keeping a more expensive service that provides less. I won't bother to comment on the absurdity of continuing to mail the newsletter, that can be printed by anyoneA that is not to lazy to take 3 minutes to print it, since that may be construed as negative. As regards to a point Ed stated, the club is not run by one person.A Each person on the board has a say, with a majority required to decide on every issue. Pointing ones frustration at one person is just that, pointless. Items approved by the board, were "sold" to the board by a member of the board to the other members of the board, showing how approving that item would benefit the club member's experience, with the underlying financial implications outlined that would strengthen the clubs long term financial health. Constructive criticism is just that: criticism presented in a constructive manner, with negative comments of a personal nature irrelevant and therefore non-constructive. I for one think the new POCA board is doing a fantastic job, and to think they are doing their job for free. What a deal... By the way, if someone feels they want to get personal with their comments, take it out on me.A I deserve it for letting 6831 sit idle with a blown header gasket for years. Peace, fellow "cat" owners. Dick Koch - Atlanta Still one of the few remaining original Pantera owners still lucky enough to be on the sunny side of the grass. On May 29, 2016 2:12 AM, "Ed Mendez" <[1][1]edducati@mac.com> wrote: See below. period place.A The the bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in reserve. You can google there income statements. the preferably your chapter president, they are your representative as in any organization. It's very easy to simply pick up the phone instead of using this email list as a podium for your disdain of MS. It's obvious, we get it. Please take it offline. If you think you can do a better job than volunteer as I did, and many others before me, and run for office. Kind regards the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [5][5]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [6][6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. [7]mailto:edducati@mac.com 2. [8]mailto:rkunishige@hotmail.com 3. [9]mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 4. 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Again I am saying this forum should not be used for club business. But here we go. Nobody said we are changing printers, period. As you stated below. That is simply not true. Michael said he found a printer that was $8000 per year cheaper, everyone is welcome to get competing quotes including from the current printer. As far as I know no competing quotes were received. We are simply trying to save the club money. Another fact is, changing printers was completely out of the question with you in the presidents breakfast regardless of cost. I remember you said "we are not changing printers". Also someone refused to even give Michael the contact details of the current printer, why? Why would you not want to save the club money? No one is being childish. It's a business and yes also a club. Kind regards, Ed Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
On 3/06/2016, at 11:04, fastgrandma <fastgrandma@aol.com> wrote:
Looking for a new printer does need to be done by those who can do so with experience and also those who have to deal with the printer on a month to month basis. That was not done in this case so THAT was irresponsible plus just suddenly telling the two editors that we were changing printers was not acceptable. This like nearly every 'suggestion' thus made this year has been with only one mind behind them; quite like a very spoiled child. Its been a big disappointment in a couple of board members to just follow along like grade school kids; quite frankly I thought our club was mainly adults but unfortunately not so.
This is a club, NOT a dictatorship!!
Judy As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the newsletter, for the board to not look for less expensive options, as with any other expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible.
-----Original Message----- From: Dick Koch <redcatman74@gmail.com> To: Ed Mendez <edducati@mac.com> Cc: detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Sun, May 29, 2016 9:57 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis
Ed, thanks for the clarification of the misinformation and non-productive comments that have been made in recent weeks, many very personal and vindictive, and quite frankly detrimental to the club.
It is good to have different points of view on club business. But to present one's point of view in a negative and personalA manner, does nothing but diminish that person's potentially valued point, and their persona in the eyes of others.
From some of the comments made, it appears obvious to me that many of the detractors do not have much experience in running a business. And make no mistake POCA is a business, albeit a non-profit one. To thrive, this club must not stand on it's laurels, but continue to enhance it's value add to it's customers.
As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the newsletter, for the board to not look for less expensive options, as with any other expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible.
I can only wonder what is going on behind the scenes that would have folks want to stay with a service provider that is noncompetitive and provides less for much more money.A We have enough cronyism in our government. Hopefully that is not the case here, and there has been a reason for keeping a more expensive service that provides less.
I won't bother to comment on the absurdity of continuing to mail the newsletter, that can be printed by anyoneA that is not to lazy to take 3 minutes to print it, since that may be construed as negative.
As regards to a point Ed stated, the club is not run by one person.A Each person on the board has a say, with a majority required to decide on every issue. Pointing ones frustration at one person is just that, pointless.
Items approved by the board, were "sold" to the board by a member of the board to the other members of the board, showing how approving that item would benefit the club member's experience, with the underlying financial implications outlined that would strengthen the clubs long term financial health.
Constructive criticism is just that: criticism presented in a constructive manner, with negative comments of a personal nature irrelevant and therefore non-constructive.
I for one think the new POCA board is doing a fantastic job, and to think they are doing their job for free. What a deal...
By the way, if someone feels they want to get personal with their comments, take it out on me.A I deserve it for letting 6831 sit idle with a blown header gasket for years.
Peace, fellow "cat" owners.
Dick Koch - Atlanta Still one of the few remaining original Pantera owners still lucky enough to be on the sunny side of the grass.
On May 29, 2016 2:12 AM, "Ed Mendez" <[1]edducati@mac.com> wrote:
On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige <[2]rkunishige@hotmail.com> wrote:
A It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace
A without notice. False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning at 30 days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club, Ferrari club, Porsche club, they all have similar rules.
A The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased A rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first
A return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven.A Simply, use A the money to pay for our publication costs. False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority chapter presidents. A PROPOSED:A $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 A publication estimate per MS. That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive quotes for printing to try and save money. MS found a printer that is $8000 per year cheaper than the one we are currently using.
A Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year.A Carrying A 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year.A Divide that into 100,000 A means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve in
A OPINION:
A I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but A there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has A proposed.A Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing
A actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things we have coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in fact there very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best interest of the club This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and should not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look bad. If you have an issue talk with someone about your concern,
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See below. period place.A The the bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in reserve. You can google there income statements. the preferably your chapter president, they are your representative as in any organization. It's very easy to simply pick up the phone instead of using this email list as a podium for your disdain of MS. It's obvious, we get it. Please take it offline. If you think you can do a better job than volunteer as I did, and many others before me, and run for office. Kind regards the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
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On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige <[2][6]rkunishige@hotmail.com> wrote:
A It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace
A without notice. False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning at 30 days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club, Ferrari club, Porsche club, they all have similar rules.
A The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased A rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first
A return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven.A Simply, use A the money to pay for our publication costs. False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority chapter presidents. A PROPOSED:A $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the $62.52 A publication estimate per MS. That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive quotes for printing to try and save money. MS found a printer that is $8000 per year cheaper than the one we are currently using.
A Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year.A Carrying A 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year.A Divide that into 100,000 A means funding covers 46.5 YEARS. False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve in
A OPINION:
A I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4 vote but A there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has A proposed.A Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing
A actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions for False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things we have coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in fact there very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best interest of the club This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and should not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look bad. If you have an issue talk with someone about your concern,
A (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.) _______________________________________________
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Again I am saying this forum should not be used for club business. But here we go. Nobody said we are changing printers, period. As you stated below. That is simply not true. Michael said he found a printer that was $8000 per year cheaper, everyone is welcome to get competing quotes including from the current printer. As far as I know no competing quotes were received. We are simply trying to save the club money. Another fact is, changing printers was completely out of the question with you in the presidents breakfast regardless of cost. I remember you said "we are not changing printers". Also someone refused to even give Michael the contact details of the current printer, why? Why would you not want to save the club money? No one is being childish. It's a business and yes also a club. Kind regards, Ed Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus On 3/06/2016, at 11:04, fastgrandma <[1]fastgrandma@aol.com> wrote: Looking for a new printer does need to be done by those who can do so with experience and also those who have to deal with the printer on a month to month basis. That was not done in this case so THAT was irresponsible plus just suddenly telling the two editors that we were changing printers was not acceptable. This like nearly every 'suggestion' thus made this year has been with only one mind behind them; quite like a very spoiled child. Its been a big disappointment in a couple of board members to just follow along like grade school kids; quite frankly I thought our club was mainly adults but unfortunately not so. This is a club, NOT a dictatorship!! Judy As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the newsletter, for the board to not look for less expensive options, as with any other expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible. -----Original Message----- From: Dick Koch <[2]redcatman74@gmail.com> To: Ed Mendez <[3]edducati@mac.com> Cc: detomaso <[4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Sun, May 29, 2016 9:57 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis Ed, thanks for the clarification of the misinformation and non-productive comments that have been made in recent weeks, many very personal and vindictive, and quite frankly detrimental to the club. It is good to have different points of view on club business. But to present one's point of view in a negative and personalA manner, does nothing but diminish that person's potentially valued point, and their persona in the eyes of others. From some of the comments made, it appears obvious to me that many of the detractors do not have much experience in running a business. And make no mistake POCA is a business, albeit a non-profit one. To thrive, this club must not stand on it's laurels, but continue to enhance it's value add to it's customers. As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the newsletter, for the board to not look for less expensive options, as with any other expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible. I can only wonder what is going on behind the scenes that would have folks want to stay with a service provider that is noncompetitive and provides less for much more money.A We have enough cronyism in our government. Hopefully that is not the case here, and there has been a reason for keeping a more expensive service that provides less. I won't bother to comment on the absurdity of continuing to mail the newsletter, that can be printed by anyoneA that is not to lazy to take 3 minutes to print it, since that may be construed as negative. As regards to a point Ed stated, the club is not run by one person.A Each person on the board has a say, with a majority required to decide on every issue. Pointing ones frustration at one person is just that, pointless. Items approved by the board, were "sold" to the board by a member of the board to the other members of the board, showing how approving that item would benefit the club member's experience, with the underlying financial implications outlined that would strengthen the clubs long term financial health. Constructive criticism is just that: criticism presented in a constructive manner, with negative comments of a personal nature irrelevant and therefore non-constructive. I for one think the new POCA board is doing a fantastic job, and to think they are doing their job for free. What a deal... By the way, if someone feels they want to get personal with their comments, take it out on me.A I deserve it for letting 6831 sit idle with a blown header gasket for years. Peace, fellow "cat" owners. Dick Koch - Atlanta Still one of the few remaining original Pantera owners still lucky enough to be on the sunny side of the grass. On May 29, 2016 2:12 AM, "Ed Mendez" <[1][5]edducati@mac.com> wrote: See below. period place.A The the bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in reserve. You can google there income statements. the preferably your chapter president, they are your representative as in any organization. It's very easy to simply pick up the phone instead of using this email list as a podium for your disdain of MS. It's obvious, we get it. Please take it offline. 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