McLeod hydraulic throw out
Cullen, 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with and ordered directly from McLeod. My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!" The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90° fitting where one should have used a 45° fitting, twisted itself, unseen of course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up very long against grinding by a pressure plate. The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly. Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice. What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a – A or a –B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company. No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations. While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the transaxle and start all over again. The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine. Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that road for themselves. Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory details. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
Wow. I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly. My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building a new bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave. At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far. -- Will On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Cullen,
2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with and ordered directly from McLeod.
My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90° fitting where one should have used a 45° fitting, twisted itself, unseen of course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice. What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a A or a B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company. No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations.
While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the transaxle and start all over again.
The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine. Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that road for themselves.
Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory details.
Larry
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Thank you Larry. You answered my question perfectly. I am like Will, I have one on my Cobra as well, with a ford Top Loader and its been there for several years and Ive always loved it. I actually bought one that was "new" but several generations old, and when I called McLeod to inquire about fresh O-rings, they sent me a brand new unit just to "ensure a positive experience". I installed it with a performance clutch and a scattershield, bled it according to the instructions and that was about 4 years ago. Havent had a lick of trouble. (knocking on wood now). the frame rails on my cobra are 24" apart and I couldn't fit the clutch fork between the side of the bellhousing and the frame rail, and ive had a bad experience with performance clutches and cables breaking in the past...so I went the hydraulic route and have loved it. however... I will certainly consider carefully this drama as I set up my P car. I have a plan B with an external slave also, if I choose not to use the factory unit. Thank you sir. Cullen On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow.
I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building a new bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
-- Will
On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Cullen,
2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with and ordered directly from McLeod.
My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90° fitting where one should have used a 45° fitting, twisted itself, unseen of course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice. What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a A or a B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company. No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations.
While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the transaxle and start all over again.
The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine. Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that road for themselves.
Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory details.
Larry
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Cullen,
2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with and ordered directly from McLeod.
My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90ADEG fitting where one should have used a 45ADEG fitting, twisted itself, unseen of course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice. What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined
for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a A A or a AB which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company. No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations.
While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull
transaxle and start all over again.
The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine. Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that road for themselves.
Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory details.
Larry
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Thank you Larry. You answered my question perfectly. I am like Will, I have one on my Cobra as well, with a ford Top Loader and its been there for several years and Ive always loved it. I actually bought one that was "new" but several generations old, and when I called McLeod to inquire about fresh O-rings, they sent me a brand new unit just to "ensure a positive experience". I installed it with a performance clutch and a scattershield, bled it according to the instructions and that was about 4 years ago. Havent had a lick of trouble.A (knocking on wood now). the frame rails on my cobra are 24" apart and I couldn't fit the clutch fork between the side of the bellhousing and the frame rail, and ive had a bad experience with performance clutches and cables breaking in the past...so I went the hydraulic route and have loved it. however... I will certainly consider carefully this drama as I set up my P car. I have a plan B with an external slave also, if I choose not to use the factory unit.A Thank you sir. Cullen On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Will Kooiman <[1]will.kooiman@gmail.com> wrote: Wow. I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly. My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.A Rather than building a new bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave. At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far. -- Will On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso" <[2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: that the list.
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