Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 143, Issue 5

21 May 2016

      Hi. 
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Today's Topics: 

1. Re: Thought I'd Test an Attachment (Bill Moore) 
2. Test (Doug) 
3. Re: Affordable DeTomaso for sale... (Bill Moore) 
4. This list versus new POCA site (Larry Finch) 
5. Re: Can we contribute through Paypal? (Asa Jay Laughton) 
6. Re: Thought I'd Test an Attachment (Curt Hall) 
7. Fwd: This list versus new POCA site (Dennis Valdez) 
8. Re: 2016 State of POCA Message (Charles Engles) 
9. Re: 2016 State of POCA Message (scottcouchman@yahoo.com) 
10. FW: We want your opinion (Will Kooiman) 
11. Re: FW: We want your opinion (Stephen) 
12. Re: 2016 State of POCA Message (Stephen) 
13. Re: FW: We want your opinion (Corey Price) 
14. Re: FW: We want your opinion (scottcouchman@yahoo.com) 
15. Re: Fwd: This list versus new POCA site (Asa Jay Laughton) 
16. Re: 2016 State of POCA Message (Asa Jay Laughton) 
17. Re: FW: We want your opinion (Asa Jay Laughton) 
18. Re: 2016 State of POCA Message (Forest Goodhart) 
19. Re: FW: We want your opinion (Himes, Terry (397C)) 
20. Re: Electric problem (Mikael) 

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Message: 1 
Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 18:47:41 -0600 
From: Bill Moore <bill@incendium.com> 
To: MyCars <mycars@comcast.net>, detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Thought I'd Test an Attachment 
Message-ID: <l8ynna5gw0rue9qsmkuxrdum.1463791661241@email.android.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 

Works for me ! 

Cheers, 
Bill MooreIncendium SupplyCalgary 

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From: MyCars <mycars@comcast.net> 
Date: 2016-05-20 6:42 PM (GMT-07:00) 
To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 
Subject: [DeTomaso] Thought I'd Test an Attachment 

First try didn't work ... image was too large. Let's see if this if this 
slick50 poster girl slides in 

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Works for me ! 

Cheers, 
Bill Moore 
Incendium Supply 
Calgary 

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From: MyCars <mycars@comcast.net> 
Date: 2016-05-20 6:42 PM (GMT-07:00) 
To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 
Subject: [DeTomaso] Thought I'd Test an Attachment 
First try didn't work ... image was too large. Let's see if this if 
this 
slick50 poster girl slides in 
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Message: 2 
Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 17:55:42 -0700 
From: "Doug" <doug351c@gmail.com> 
To: <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> 
Subject: [DeTomaso] Test 
Message-ID: <010e01d1b2fb$80dba9f0$8292fdd0$@gmail.com> 
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I love this old-school email forum and the fact that it's continuing !!! 

Can you hear me now? TESTING 1 - 2 -3 ? Earth To Forum? 

Doug Braun 

Blue 73L #5505 

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I love this old-school email forum and the fact that it's continuing 
!!! 

Can you hear me now? TESTING 1 - 2 -3 ? Earth To Forum? 

Doug Braun 

Blue 73L #5505 

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Message: 3 
Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 19:03:53 -0600 
From: Bill Moore <bill@incendium.com> 
To: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks@yahoo.com>, DeTomaso Mail List 
<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Affordable DeTomaso for sale... 
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How is your eye, feeling better ? 

Cheers, 
Bill MooreIncendium SupplyCalgary 

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From: Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> 
Date: 2016-05-20 4:43 PM (GMT-07:00) 
To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> 
Subject: [DeTomaso] Affordable DeTomaso for sale... 

Yes, they still exist.? Question is, would you really want a 1989 Innocenti Mini DeTomaso Turbo?? I imagine it's good on gas!? Think of all the Pantera parts you could buy with the money you'd save buying this over some new Prius-Leaf-Volt-hybrid thing. 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/272244416705?rmvSB=true 

Just the messenger!Garth#4033 

?? Yes, they still exist.? Question is, would you really want a 1989 
?? Innocenti Mini DeTomaso Turbo?? I imagine it's good on gas!? Think of 
?? all the Pantera parts you could buy with the money you'd save buying 
?? this over some new Prius-Leaf-Volt-hybrid thing. 
?? [1]http://www.ebay.com/itm/272244416705?rmvSB=true 
?? Just the messenger! 
?? Garth 
?? #4033 

References 

?? 1. http://www.ebay.com/itm/272244416705?rmvSB=true 

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How is your eye, feeling better ? 

Cheers, 
Bill Moore 
Incendium Supply 
Calgary 

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From: Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> 
Date: 2016-05-20 4:43 PM (GMT-07:00) 
To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> 
Subject: [DeTomaso] Affordable DeTomaso for sale... 
Yes, they still exist. Question is, would you really want a 1989 
Innocenti Mini DeTomaso Turbo? I imagine it's good on gas! Think of 
all the Pantera parts you could buy with the money you'd save buying 
this over some new Prius-Leaf-Volt-hybrid thing. 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/272244416705?rmvSB=true 
Just the messenger!Garth#4033 
Yes, they still exist. Question is, would you really want a 1989 
Innocenti Mini DeTomaso Turbo? I imagine it's good on gas! Think 
of 
all the Pantera parts you could buy with the money you'd save buying 
this over some new Prius-Leaf-Volt-hybrid thing. 
[1]http://www.ebay.com/itm/272244416705?rmvSB=true 
Just the messenger! 
Garth 
#4033 
References 
1. http://www.ebay.com/itm/272244416705?rmvSB=true 
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Message: 4 
Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 20:59:43 -0700 
From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches@aol.com> 
To: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> 
Subject: [DeTomaso] This list versus new POCA site 
Message-ID: <5115F780-1A48-427D-A16B-F4860A1C0291@aol.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 

All, 

I have been active on the new POCA forum. (Please don?t hate. I like new and shiny things) 

It is much like the PI forum, but not nearly as intuitive or easy to use. Smart phone use is quite trying. 

What I noticed today though was the volume of that new site versus the volume of this resurrected email list. 

I think I?m being conservative to say the posts here outnumber the POCA forum by at least 10 to 1. 

Not sure what that means, but it must mean something???. 

Just saying. ;-) 

Larry - 

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Message: 5 
Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 21:07:04 -0700 
From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> 
To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Can we contribute through Paypal? 
Message-ID: <573FDEE8.8000309@asajay.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed 

I think... I like the way -you- think.... even better than Rob. ;) 
Blondes Brunettes and Redheads. My dad taught me right. 

Asa Jay 

Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired 
& Shelley Marie 
Spokane, WA 
****************************** 
http://w7tsc.org 
http://www.teampanteraracing.com 

On 5/20/2016 10:34 AM, Larry - Ohio Time wrote:
...
<< then we'll just have to get sneaky in some other way to help him out with 
costs.>>
Redhead?
Larry (may as well start off right) - Cleveland
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From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf 
Of Asa Jay Laughton 
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 9:56 AM 
To: Mark Charlton 
Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com; Ken Green 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Can we contribute through Paypal?
Hi Mark (and all), 
Kurt is still working diligently along with a little help from Mark 
McWhinney (both of whom I think are a lot smarter than me on these 
things), to get the list server where it needs to be with regard to 
extra security.
I think Kurt will give us the proper PayPal email (if he does PayPal) at 
some point shortly. If not, then we'll just have to get sneaky in some 
other way to help him out with costs. ;)
Asa Jay
Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired 
& Shelley Marie 
Spokane, WA 
****************************** 
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http://www.teampanteraracing.com
On 5/19/2016 7:05 PM, Mark Charlton wrote:
...
Asa Jay,
If there was an email that we could all make a modest PayPal contribution 
(as a gift, so no fees), those who want to contribute could and nobody who 
doesn't would feel obliged. 
Ready when you are.
Mark Charlton 
pantera01826@rogers.com
On May 19, 2016, at 9:58 PM, Asa Jay Laughton<asajay@asajay.com> wrote:
...
I like the way you think. ;) 
Asa 
Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
...
I'm waiting to see how much data/bandwidth we need. The list is 
on a 
virtual private server. Current limits are 2TB data transfer per 
month, 20 GB disk space. Since it's an "unmanaged" server, cost 
is 
only $5/month. If we exceed the 2TB/month, cost goes up by $1 per 
TB/month. We're using 13GB of disk which includes a couple copies 
of 
the archives so we'll be fine on space. 
Kurt 
On 5/19/2016 1:54 PM, Ken Green wrote:
Hi Kurt, 
I'm sure a bunch of us really appreciate your efforts on
Rob Dumoulin<rob@dumoulins.net> wrote: 
Seems like the $ costs may be minimal, but there has to be a way to 
make up 
for the human costs. Anybody know how to email a shot of bourbon? 
Rob 
On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Kurt Byrnes<kdb@kbyrnes.com> wrote: 
this.
...
Can we contribute to your expenses? 
Ken
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Seems like the $ costs may be minimal, but there has to be a way to 
make up for the human costs.A Anybody know how to email a shot of 
bourbon? 
RobA 
On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Kurt Byrnes<[1]kdb@kbyrnes.com> 
wrote: 
A A I'm waiting to see how much data/bandwidth we need.A The 
list 
is on a 
A A virtual private server.A Current limits are 2TB data 
transfer 
per 
A A month, 20 GB disk space.A Since it's an "unmanaged" server, 
cost is 
A A only $5/month.A If we exceed the 2TB/month, cost goes up by 
$1 
per 
A A TB/month.A We're using 13GB of disk which includes a couple 
copies of 
A A the archives so we'll be fine on space. 
A A Kurt 
A A On 5/19/2016 1:54 PM, Ken Green wrote: 
A A Hi Kurt, 
A A A A I'm sure a bunch of us really appreciate your efforts 
on 
this. 
A A Can we contribute to your expenses? 
A A Ken 
A A 
A

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Message: 6 
Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 09:10:27 +0000 (UTC) 
From: Curt Hall <cuvee@sbcglobal.net> 
To: Bill Moore <bill@incendium.com>, MyCars <mycars@comcast.net>, 
"detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Thought I'd Test an Attachment 
Message-ID: 
<70944671.165923.1463821827372.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 

The Slick Photo came though! But want the hell is that funny looking yellow car? lol 

On Friday, May 20, 2016 5:48 PM, Bill Moore <bill@incendium.com> wrote: 

? Works for me ! 

? Cheers, 
? Bill Moore 
? Incendium Supply 
? Calgary 

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? Date: 2016-05-20 6:42 PM (GMT-07:00) 
? To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 
? Subject: [DeTomaso] Thought I'd Test an Attachment 
? First try didn't work ... image was too large. Let's see if this if 
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The Slick Photo came though! But want the hell is that funny looking 
yellow car? lol 
On Friday, May 20, 2016 5:48 PM, Bill Moore <bill@incendium.com> wrote: 
Works for me ! 
Cheers, 
Bill Moore 
Incendium Supply 
Calgary 
-------- Original message -------- 
From: MyCars <[1]mycars@comcast.net> 
Date: 2016-05-20 6:42 PM (GMT-07:00) 
To: [2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 
Subject: [DeTomaso] Thought I'd Test an Attachment 
First try didn't work ... image was too large. Let's see if this if 
this 
slick50 poster girl slides in 
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Message: 7 
Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 02:39:31 -0700 
From: Dennis Valdez <sjcarguy60@yahoo.com> 
To: "Pantera List detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" 
<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> 
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: This list versus new POCA site 
Message-ID: <BE66CC00-96E4-4479-AF66-F67B4D5128C0@yahoo.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 

Begin forwarded message:
...
From: Dennis Valdez <sjcarguy60@yahoo.com> 
Date: May 21, 2016 at 2:37:23 AM PDT 
To: Larry Finch <fresnofinches@aol.com> 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] This list versus new POCA site
Larry, I've tried the new forum also and don't see anything wrong with the tool. I'm sure with some care and feeding it could be great like the PI forum, once populated with great content and activity.
Personally, I prefer the bulletin board type forum like PI or now the POCO forum over the email list. Easier to organize and find information. This email stream is like sitting at a big table with a lot of your friends having several conversations at once about different stuff. You'll miss something sometimes, and have no idea how to search the years of history to find stuff.
Having said that I gotta remember as SOBill says "the main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing". For me, the main thing is new and old friends with a common interest in great cars. So wherever I find those great people, I will go and adapt to whatever tool they prefer.
...
On May 20, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
All,
I have been active on the new POCA forum. (Please don?t hate. I like new and shiny things)
It is much like the PI forum, but not nearly as intuitive or easy to use. Smart phone use is quite trying.
What I noticed today though was the volume of that new site versus the volume of this resurrected email list.
I think I?m being conservative to say the posts here outnumber the POCA forum by at least 10 to 1.
Not sure what that means, but it must mean something???.
Just saying. ;-)
Larry -
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From: Dennis Valdez <[1]sjcarguy60@yahoo.com> 
Date: May 21, 2016 at 2:37:23 AM PDT 
To: Larry Finch <[2]fresnofinches@aol.com> 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] This list versus new POCA site 

Larry, I've tried the new forum also and don't see anything wrong with 
the tool. I'm sure with some care and feeding it could be great like 
the PI forum, once populated with great content and activity. 
Personally, I prefer the bulletin board type forum like PI or now the 
POCO forum over the email list. Easier to organize and find 
information. This email stream is like sitting at a big table with a 
lot of your friends having several conversations at once about 
different stuff. You'll miss something sometimes, and have no idea how 
to search the years of history to find stuff. 
Having said that I gotta remember as SOBill says "the main thing is to 
keep the main thing the main thing". For me, the main thing is new and 
old friends with a common interest in great cars. So wherever I find 
those great people, I will go and adapt to whatever tool they prefer. 

On May 20, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Larry Finch via DeTomaso 
<[3]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: 

All, 

I have been active on the new POCA forum. (Please don't hate. I like 
new and shiny things) 

It is much like the PI forum, but not nearly as intuitive or easy to 
use. Smart phone use is quite trying. 

What I noticed today though was the volume of that new site versus 
the volume of this resurrected email list. 

I think I'm being conservative to say the posts here outnumber the 
POCA forum by at least 10 to 1. 

Not sure what that means, but it must mean something.......... 

Just saying. ;-) 

Larry - 

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Message: 8 
Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 08:27:52 -0500 
From: "Charles Engles" <cengles@cox.net> 
To: <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 State of POCA Message 
Message-ID: <001201d1b364$93fc6bf0$bbf543d0$@net> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 

Dear Forum, 

After reading Mr. Shortt?s humble statement, I understand better that we are in the presence of a Renaissance Man. He is a polymath gifted in the arts and sciences of accounting, business, entertainment, politics and leadership. 

His laser power point of a 77% vote majority that is gently referred to time and time again just a true leader would do, is reminiscent of other charismatic leaders such as Castro, Mussolini and Maduro. This is the mandate for change that he modulates with grace and compromise. 

Our Messiah has come. 

Reverentially yours, Chuck Engles 

PS: The latest Pantera Survey questions from the Politburo remind me of that clever courtroom interrogation: ?When did you stop beating your wife?? 

From: Pantera Owner's Club of America(michaelsavga@gmail.com) [mailto:mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 8:50 PM 
To: cengles@cox.net 
Subject: 2016 State of POCA Message 

View in your browser <http://POCA.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=722&club_id=999896&emtid=48579683612&mtid=293966696752&ht=0> 

_____ 

Greetings POCA Members, 

In one of the free comment responses to the 2016 Fun Rally Survey which was sent out the day before yesterday (it will remain posted until Sunday night, please participate, even if you did not attend. There are questions about future POCA events and your opinion matters a great deal to me). 

There was a comment that really struck home with me. It stated the following, "I wish the POCA President had given a report about the club in general at the banquet". 

You know what, I wish I had too, it was my first time and I was being aimed and pointed most of the rally, I now have a closer understanding of my Dog's issues as a result. 

You ladies and gentlemen deserve no less, so it's what I'm going to do now. Please forgive me being a fews days late. 

2016 STATE OF POCA ADDRESS 

A warm welcome to all of you, my fellow speeders with oil pumps for hearts and 20/50 dead dinosaurs running through your veins. I do enjoy the company of car people; we are a special breed, we can be like golfers, tennis players, bingo nuts or even ballroom dancers, we often make the long drive, serve one up on fire, get 6 in a row and appear graceful simply hitting an double apex at speed without lifting. Some of us do these things every weekend, if not every day. 

I was elected presumably because I ran a campaign that promised change in all forms. My opponent for President was Rob D?Orazio, whom I met in person in Las Vegas along with his lovely wife, Josette, who serves as our POCA Store manager (and is very dedicated to her job, she did a fantastic job moving $4,600 in merchandise). 

I know for a fact you did not "like me" better than Rob because I had never met most of you last year. You all know Rob; he is a nice guy who also cares deeply about this club. 

Therefore, I must deduce (rather than assume which always leaves one open as a punch line) that your support of my candidacy was based on my shared vision of what POCA could be and what I saw (IMHO) it needed. While 23% of you did not agree, 77% of you did agree. I was both thrilled and excited that you would trust me to lead your long established club into a brave new future with a progressive plan of action. 

I know that many of you heard this, in our first BOD Meeting last January, I had a list of 23 agenda items. It was an ambitious beginning; what was not shared was that this wasn't my list for my whole term in office; it was my list for the first six months. Most of it has been accomplished; some items were not as a result of not being supported by a majority of the BOD. The BOD is comprised of your 8 elected positions and the Past President. 

I must share with you that it has not been easy to work on your behalf; this is the part of this address where brutal honesty must kick in, and for that I must apologize. It is not now, nor was it ever my intent to divide the club with such a deep chasm as has been developing in recent weeks. In most polite clubs, governments, churches, HOA's, corporations, etc., when a new President or CEO is brought onboard with such a huge margin of victory, most reasonable people see the election results as a mandate by the electorate; in my particular case, a mandate for change to lead the club into the present and prepare it for the future. If some of those 23% who opposed me had truly embraced change, they would have accepted the decision of 77% of the members and worked with us, shoulder to shoulder, together as a solid, cohesive unit to institute meaningful, thoughtful and considered change for the betterment of the club. 

That is what happens in an ideal world; it of course, is not happening here. 

I'm sorry to do it, but I feel I share with you what has been going on during these past five months. But before I do that, let me tell you most people think I'm a nice guy; I have lots of friends in my own social circles, in business, in racing, and in my community. For fun, I run Political campaigns; in the last 20 years, I have managed 41 Campaigns for elected public office and my candidates have won 38 times. I am currently working on #42, which, by all indications, will turn into win #39 next Tuesday. Respectable discourse and debate are not new to me during elections, not are dirty tricks. What is new to me, in 100% of the time following these 41 previous elections, the side that was not successful understood those who voted made a distinct choice and rejected their candidate or platform. Never in my life have I encountered a group where those who lost (and I do not mean Rob; he has been a perfect gentleman, and I think we got along famously in Las Vegas) just seem to keep 
on doing their own thing and pay no attention to the person elected or the mandate they represent, that is to lead and provide direction to the whole club. 

Before I move forward in thought, let me share some good stuff. 

On the BOD I am honored to serve with Mike Burnett as Vice President; he is a thoughtful and measured man, an experienced business owner and former Fortune 500 Executive. You are lucky to have him standing by "just in case". He provides leadership, guidance and a way of letting me know I'm doing the right thing. We have never voted on opposite sides. 

When you elected me, you also elected Joe Stockett, your Secretary; Joe works in IT for a major bank. With Joe, you folks have someone dedicated to making perfect records for our meetings; you also have a teddy bear of a man who wants everybody to be happy. He is our peacemaker. We also have never voted differently on any issue. 

Next up is Ed Mendez, who serves as our PR Director; Ed is a computer whiz and has established our footprint on Facebook, during the past 6 months generating over 200,000 Pantera related posts. Ed works weird hours and we often chat at 3 am about club business online, me in Georgia and Ed off in New Zealand. We also have never voted differently. 

Last on the progressive side of the room is our Past President, John Buckman. A super nice man who has provided amazing insight and guidance to me; his observations are spot on and he knows where all the bodies are buried; he knows the entire club and he has brought me up to speed on many items. Both he and his wife Kathy have been helpful to my efforts. We have voted differently a couple of times and I respect John for following his heart; he is the 5th vote for things for most of what we get done; sometimes he's not, and that's OK; we all need a person who proves, "you can't win them all". 

It is because of these folks and occasionally those not yet named that we have accomplished so much in the first five months of my term as your POCA President. 

We have opened up the financial books to member review; there simply are no secrets about money within POCA. We have a $100,000 reserve in the bank; it is there because for several years this club did not produce four Profiles every year, yet you all paid your full dues. With no expenses, building up a larger balance becomes very easy. 

I created the Cleveland Block, a monthly teleconference with POCA Chapter Presidents; we have had 4 such calls; I think the record thus far is 14/20 Chapter Presidents on a single call. These meetings are always respectful, polite and informative. It is where we share fresh ideas, which can be implemented or creatively adjusted to better serve POCA members. I enjoy these calls because there has been no yelling, no name-calling, no fighting and we all work towards a common goal. It is easy to see why each of these men were elected to be the President of their respective chapters. 

I wanted to make the POCA Hall of Fame a more visible part of the club; it now has a dedicated page on the website, and it will be populated soon. 

We attempted to set a standard policy whereby POCA would send flowers to any deceased member?s family if they had 10+years of membership; that effort did not pass. 

I wrote a Code of Ethics for all POCA elected officers to sign, I signed it and so did all those listed above, others would not sign it. It basically states that you may not profit from the club, nor make personal gains as a result of your elected position. I was asked to rewrite it to take fewer pages (3), not knowing how to edit integrity out of the document, I have not represented it for additional signatures. 

I presented my vision for a new website; that vision is 70% complete and the result debuted on May 7th. It exceeded my expectations and I'm very pleased; it is a website I can now proudly refer others to visit as I reach out to build the POCA brand and a larger membership. I know it to be a sleek, performance oriented website; it navigates well and looks as good as any Pantera at speed on the open road. I am proud of my baby. The website has been a huge asset to membership, signing up more new members in a week than we normally get in several months. It has processed more renewals in the last week than are normally processed in several months. The best part is it is automated; when the new member signs up, they are instantly assigned a new member number, their online account is set up, and they receive an email in a few minutes with their login and temporary password to use the website. Their membership dues are deposited into our bank account within hours, and the best part, the 
POCA database is set up at the same time with their address, email, telephone numbers, etc. At the same time they are added to the mailing list for emails, Profiles and the monthly Newsletter. The website has over 450 POCA publications archived on it as well as all the DeTomaso, Ford, Modena, and ZF manuals from the $79.95 "The Works" DVD we used to sell. It's now FREE to all POCA members plus a lot more info in the technical library. You will also notice our 45+ Discussion Boards for members only; it's a better and safer (we have extensive malware, phishing and virus protection programs in place, unlike the old email forum) way to share information, ask for or give advice. 

On the home page, we have installed a rotating slide show to showcase member cars; if you have a photo that you would like to submit, please rename the file name to your name (?JohnSmithPantera") and submit as a jpeg no smaller than 400K and no larger than 5mb; email it to " <mailto:pocaphotodrop@gmail.com> pocaphotodrop@gmail.com". We are going to change the slideshow monthly with 10 new POCA Member cars of contrasting views and colors. 

I made a presentation centered around 4 POCA Rallies per year (N.E.W.S., North, East, West and South) to be held in regional parts of the country to enable all POCA members to have the same opportunity as those who have attended the Fun Rally for 35 years. The first of these will be in Savannah, Georgia, Sept 29-Oct 2; it is called the 2016 POCA East Rally. It is my plan for these events to be hosted and run by Chapters on a rotating basis. In my humble opinion, POCA National should be providing instruction and a set of proven activity guidelines to be followed, insurance and registration support to facilitate these events. I believe the chapters should run the rallies and profit, based upon their ability to throw a party others will pay to attend. The is a proven concept in the car show community, Club A will make a super effort to attend a car show being sponsored by Club B because Club A knows if they do not support the show, then Club B will not make any effort to support their 
show, everybody wins because nobody wants to lose. POCA should only participate as BOD guests, have the right to sell POCA store items and conduct our raffle for National fundraising; everything else should be a responsibility of the host chapter. 

Can I have an Amen on that? 

Speaking of which, Yes I did ask for and deliver a blessing at the President's Breakfast, as I often do in my life. I am not one to get preachy or insist on compliance, everybody can do their own thing, but please consider - I still had two airplanes to get on before I was home safe again. 

I had no involvement in the recent 2016 Fun Rally in Las Vegas, which was scheduled before I was elected; I share no credit or blame in it at all. If you had a good time, thank the right people and if you didn't, those are the same people to voice your opinion too. 

The BOD has never run the Fun Rally, there has always been a Fun Rally Committee which consisted of 2 or 3 BOD members and 2-5 others who plan and manage these events. The aforementioned survey will be the Tale of the Tape; we'll ascertain how the event was perceived by those who attended and responded ( and so far over 40% of those in attendance have replied), and I'm looking forward to the results. 

We have started to work on a new draft of revised Bylaws to update the old version and fill in a few cracks. We have copies of the Bylaws used by the Ferrari, Porsche, Mustang, Shelby, and Jaguar clubs to determine what is common among car clubs. 

I mentioned early on in my candidacy that I felt the Newsletter should be distributed via email; we voted to do that (it passed) and it was supposed to sunset when the new website went online; that also has not happened. 

It is my desire the Newsletter and Profiles magazine become self sustaining with advertising space sold within their pages, like every other club newsletter and magazine in the world; this has also not happened. 

I took it upon myself to contrast and compare our Newsletter and Magazine Printing Costs, since this club spends $45,000 per year (more than we retain in member dues after Chapter rebates are deducted) to produce these publications, it seemed like what would be expected of me as your CEO. I feel I have a fiduciary duty to ensure that YOUR money is being spent prudently and wisely, I also helps that I was a partner in a printing company from 1986-1988 and have worked in professional media for 36 years. 

What I discovered was POCA has been severely overpaying for both publications. You currently are paying $25,000 for 12 monthly Newsletters which have a colored stock paper cover with Black ink and all Black and White content pages. You have been paying $20,000 for 4 issues of Profiles, a quarterly magazine with a 4 color cover, sometimes a color 4 page insert and all the rest of the pages are Black and White. The newsletter is mailed loosely, as many of you know it often arrives looking worse for wear. Profiles is usually mailed in a large white POCA envelope which does protect it from dirt, but not from moisture. 

So I contacted half a dozen national printers and asked for competitive bids, and they poured in. All responsible businesses, club, organizations frequently release RFPs to stay abreast of competition, to review new services and lastly to keep current vendors honest and grateful for their continued patronage. All well run companies, churches, charities or clubs operate this way, vendors are not entitled to business, vendors must earn business and always offer fair and competitive prices, service and support. 

What came from all this work was the newly discovered ability to deliver POCA publications to it's members in FULL COLOR from front to back. A monthly 32 page Newsletter (with a matte finish and pre drilled for a three rig binder) and to deliver a 52 page Profiles magazine in FULL COLOR on glossy 100# stock, with both delivered to your homes in a plastic, sealed, water and dirt proof, heat shrinked bag with a laser address label and save the club $8,000 per year over what we are now paying for Black and White. 

$8,000 in Savings represents the net dues of 160 POCA members and is almost 20% of our total budget. Yet I am meeting a great deal of resistance. 

As I stated above, I would rather have a digital Newsletter and save all of that money and produce an even better printed Profiles. For this effort I am also meeting a great deal of resistance. 

During the Las Vegas Fun Rally at the President's Breakfast, we had in attendance 6-7 Chapter Presidents, 6 BOD members and 18 other assorted guests, 30 people in total who suggested that we simply raise our dues by $10 per member to facilitate keeping a printed paper Newsletter. At first I though this was an excellent compromise until I did the math, we have 22 chapters and almost 870 other members who rightly deserve a voice in this matter since 100% plus of your dues support these publications. 

I am going to be asking you to voice your opinion over this weekend, details below. 

I devised the "3-5-1 Membership Recruiting Program" which will allow any current POCA member to reach out to new member prospects as a recruiter and be awarded their membership dues for FREE (paid by the club) by helping us grow. That program is now underway and has it's own button on the lower menu on the website. 

If you sign up three new members, your National dues are paid for the following year and you are presented with a Silver POCA patch. 

If you recruit 5 New POCA Members within one year, your National and Local Chapter dues are paid the following year and you are presented with a GOLD POCA patch. 

For Superstars, if you achieve GOLD status 5 years in a row, you are presented with a Lifetime National POCA membership and you never pay National dues again (except for your Local Chapter's dues), plus you are presented with a Light Blue POCA patch. 

To help members achieve these goals and support this effort we have redesigned the POCA Membership brochure and printed enough copies of the full color trifold piece to ensure every member will have 5 to keep stowed away in their car. The brochure directs new member prospects to go online at <http://poca.com/> poca.com to sign up; during that process, they will have an opportunity to list their sponsoring member to ensure they are credited properly for 3-5-1 program rewards. 

I mentioned I wanted to take POCA worldwide, we now have forming new chapters in New Zealand and Canada, and we also have owners interested in the UK and France. On the new website, fully 33% of the newly joined members in the last week are International members. 

I stated to grow the club we must also include all DeTomaso cars, that too is happening (with a twist) because we are forming a Qvale Mangusta Chapter now and want to form chapters for each DeTomaso Model. The Qvale Club may even roll into POCA. 

Speaking of which, you will notice that I use POCA 10x more than Pantera; it is on purpose to help me to remember to be inclusive of all DeTomaso models and International efforts; there is no desire to change the name of the club, but it's OK to call Elizabeth - Betty, Beth, Liz or Lizzy, - we all still know who's the prettiest. 

I asked that all members must have a chapter designation to help build up the core of the club and make our chapters stronger; that also did not happen. I still believe the strength of any National club is derived from having strong chapters; even the Hell's Angels understand the concept; it works. To my way of thinking, a National club is only as strong as it?s weakest chapter, we must do more to support the chapters. Helping build membership and spreading their influence, to grow strong is to grow from the base upwards. I think everybody knows the root system of a tree has a far greater spread than the limbs, branches and leaves; so too does a National club. Real strength comes from a strong base; any strong wind can fell a tree with weak roots. 

Members wanted to know if they could switch Chapters; yes, now you can, but only one Chapter gets the dues rebate and you may only do it once per year. I'm told the Chapter rebate is made 60-90 days after every member renews or joins, so if you are moving and do not wish to pay local chapter dues again, please make your switch when you renew. 

We established a PayPal account to accept dues, so now those who want to use a bank check or different credit card can do so easily. 

We have been seeking benefits for POCA members; thus far you are entitled to receive a 5% reduction in Collector Car Insurance from American Modern or Heacock; please contact me for the right agent to call. Denali PLS also offers a 10% rebate on hearing aids to POCA members. We are seeking more; if you have a company or service that you wish to turn on to our members, please contact me. 

In the works is our new DeTomaso Pantera Registry, I am looking for volunteers to assist in this effort, please reach out to me, it will be the finest registry in any car club, where the Car will be the Star, not the member who owns it. 

We wanted to add POCA Jr. Members; that also did not happen. 

We elected to bring Tom Tjaarda to the US as our guest in November where I have secured a special guest judge status for him on Saturday and Sunday at the Hilton Head Island Concours and Speed Classic. I have been allowed a special presentation area for 12 DeTomaso Cars. I am seeking prime examples that can make the trip to HHI, SC. Qvale, Vallelunga, Deauville, Longchamp, P70, P5000 and all variations of the Pantera. It is a very prestigious event with tons of national automotive press; we will reap lots of National exposure as a result. 

I tried to build support for a single National POCA Charity effort, something like a Toy Drive with the USMC at Christmas. I do it with my own club; last season we donated 1,200 toys in 3 hours; that also did not pass. 

Thanks to my friend and Southeast Pantera member Rob Dumoulins, we devised the DeTomaso 911 Directory (D911D) which is an opt in program to be on call 24/7 to assist any POCA member who may be traveling and develops an emergency issue. You can provide help in any number of ways, from simply directing them to professional services or going out to find them on the side of the road and helping to fix a problem. All you have to do is sign up on the website to be a real life POCA hero. 

Here are some things that you can expect in the near future. 

Everybody will be receiving a new POCA patch soon in DeTomaso Aqua, Black and Silver; it's just a small token to thank you for being a member. 

Everybody will be getting a new plastic POCA membership card that will also have a slot cut into it so that it can become a name tag for chapter events, car shows, etc. 

I am working on a better New Member welcome package proposal to present to the BOD for approval, those buying cars for $60,000 - $400,000 have higher expectations and if we are to capture the new owners, we must deliver upon those expectations. 

NEW POCA STORE, Josette and I are working very hard at building a new POCA and Detomaso merchandise online store. I carried 60 lbs of samples to Las Vegas in a giant overweight separate suitcase to review with Josette. In the coming months, you will have a store to rival those marketing savvy gurus at PCNC, in fact Josette and I will challenge them to a little Mall on Mall throwdown as soon as we get settled. Expect great stuff, fast delivery, online instant payments and always great customer service. 

That my friends is how we've been staying busy these past 5 months, updating, improving and constantly working to increase your POCA Membership experience. 

The four Board members named above deserve a GIANT round of applause for standing alongside me, shoulder to shoulder to plowing our way through to make all of this happen for you. Others outside the BOD who have been especially helpful include Marshall Smith, Jeff Dietrich, Rob Dumoulins, and Laurie Basile. 

On the Cleveland Block calls, most all of the Presidents have been kind and decent people with the shared common goal of serving the members first. I value their input monthly and look forward to the Cleveland Bock calls 10x more than I do the BOD calls. 

There is a lot going on where the club can be in the news, really big news will be coming soon which will probably cause your cars to become in even bigger demand and prices to rise even more. We need to be nice, play nice and remember to endeavour to present our brand and always represent as a positive, fun experience. 

We face many challenges; our club is by member count 50% over the age of 65, in 10-15 years, many of our current members will no longer be active in this avocation. For many their car has become less of a toy and more of an investment, already a great number of members who have "cashed out", but remain members because they love the people. 

The price of cars has risen to such a degree that thirty-year-old guys with a family can longer afford to buy; our buyers are now forty and fifty year old guys; some are sports car guys and some are simply investors. 

We must always remember to try to look in from the outside and see what members and non members see, we must never forget that job ONE is offer a membership experience that is appealing to everybody, renewals and new members alike. 

It is here where I will mention Bob Reid, your Treasurer. Outwardly over the first four months, he has been supportive of many of the programs listed above. I believe in my heart Bob wants what is best for the club. 

We were all blindsided by the announcement at the 2016 Fun Rally declaring the 2017 Fun Rally would return to the Plaza hotel next April. Here?s the problem: the BOD never discussed it. We appointed Kent and Sandi Snyder as 2016 Fun Rally Coordinators; no mention was ever made for 2017 or beyond. So the Fun Rally may very well still take place in LV Vegas next year, but it remains to be seen if it will be a POCA event. Responding to the survey that was already sent to you is one tool that we have to settle this issue and move forward. You read what I thought above about all NEWS Rallies being rotating Chapter driven events, I stand by my assertion that is a far better route to success. 

Now, unfortunately, I have to share the not so nice stuff. I have been called mean, nasty, and all sorts of unflattering names by a small and select group of people opposed to everything we have done so far; they have kicked, screamed, emailed, broadcast emailed, violating BOD rules, violated POCA rules and violated common decency in every way, shape, and form. There are 6 members who shall remain nameless, out of 890 people consume 75% of my time and attention. 

Last January, we had our very first BOD teleconference; I called the meeting to order and immediately was verbally attacked for my 23 item agenda, but have no worries my friends I have survived 36 years in Show Business, this isn't even close, but it is relevant to the culture that we must all work to change. 

POCA needs to be a nicer place and we all need to practice what we preach. We cannot attract new members if we are perceived as a bunch of mean and nasty people, I was never a flower child or a hippie ( more of a preppy), but a little hippie never hurt anybody and I did date a few. Let's leave the VW Bus at home, take the Pantera out instead and be nice. 

Membership Records have been and remain a struggle, when we made the move to go to online member sign up and management, we had to take the existing paper and old Microsoft Access records and convert them to an Excel database driven engine which is what enables the POCA.com website to manage our records. It took John and Kathy Buckman, Ed Mendez, Joe Stockett and over a month to correct the typos, wrong emails, old addresses, and bad telephone numbers. I want to reach out and offer many thanks to Gerry Romack and Rod Kunishige for their assistance too, we could not have done it without them. 

We are still struggling with it, but have it down to about a 2% error rate. I know that many of you are still getting late membership due notices and you have paid your dues many months ago, we are working to correct the problem and as soon as the collector of your payments reports them, we can make it stop. In fact, we can do that much faster. If you are one of the 91 people being email harassed and you have paid your dues, please email me a copy of your check, paypal receipt, credit card statement and I will have it credited immediately as I have done for 30 members in the last 10 days. I'm sorry it is happening to you, if you would please renew or join online, it would alleviate these issues instantly and you can double check your address, email and telephone info to insure that you will get your POCA publications on time. 

My promise when I accepted the nomination to run for President was to move the club forward, be progressive, update our technology and most importantly - grow the club; and with the support of a core group of the BOD, we have kept many of those promises. 

Later today you will all receive a survey asking for your advice on the direction for this club. It will be mostly yes and no answers, it should take no more than two minutes to complete, and there are no math questions, I promise. 

Please reply and I promise to abide by majority rule, we have representative leadership; I guess 77% was not high enough to send the message that you wanted change. Please answer with your heart. I will do exactly what you want, I truly value all members, we all share a the same passion, our DeTomaso Pantera. 

Thank you for reading this very, very long message and please look for the survey coming very soon after this email. 

Michael Shortt 

President 

POCA 

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Dear Forum, 

After reading Mr. Shortt's humble statement, I 
understand better that we are in the presence of a Renaissance Man. 
He is a polymath gifted in the arts and sciences of accounting, 
business, entertainment, politics and leadership. 

His laser power point of a 77% vote majority that is 
gently referred to time and time again just a true leader would do, is 
reminiscent of other charismatic leaders such as Castro, Mussolini and 
Maduro. This is the mandate for change that he modulates with grace 
and compromise. 

Our Messiah has come. 

Reverentially yours, Chuck Engles 

PS: The latest Pantera Survey questions from the Politburo remind me 
of that clever courtroom interrogation: "When did you stop beating your 
wife?" 

From: Pantera Owner's Club of America(michaelsavga@gmail.com) 
[mailto:mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 8:50 PM 
To: cengles@cox.net 
Subject: 2016 State of POCA Message 

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Greetings POCA Members, 

In one of the free comment responses to the 2016 Fun Rally Survey which 
was sent out the day before yesterday (it will remain posted until 
Sunday night, please participate, even if you did not attend. There 
are questions about future POCA events and your opinion matters a great 
deal to me). 

There was a comment that really struck home with me. It stated the 
following, "I wish the POCA President had given a report about the club 
in general at the banquet". 

You know what, I wish I had too, it was my first time and I was being 
aimed and pointed most of the rally, I now have a closer understanding 
of my Dog's issues as a result. 

You ladies and gentlemen deserve no less, so it's what I'm going to do 
now. Please forgive me being a fews days late. 

2016 STATE OF POCA ADDRESS 

A warm welcome to all of you, my fellow speeders with oil pumps for 
hearts and 20/50 dead dinosaurs running through your veins. I do enjoy 
the company of car people; we are a special breed, we can be like 
golfers, tennis players, bingo nuts or even ballroom dancers, we often 
make the long drive, serve one up on fire, get 6 in a row and appear 
graceful simply hitting an double apex at speed without lifting. Some 
of us do these things every weekend, if not every day. 

I was elected presumably because I ran a campaign that promised change 
in all forms. My opponent for President was Rob D'Orazio, whom I met in 
person in Las Vegas along with his lovely wife, Josette, who serves as 
our POCA Store manager (and is very dedicated to her job, she did a 
fantastic job moving $4,600 in merchandise). 

I know for a fact you did not "like me" better than Rob because I had 
never met most of you last year. You all know Rob; he is a nice guy 
who also cares deeply about this club. 

Therefore, I must deduce (rather than assume which always leaves one 
open as a punch line) that your support of my candidacy was based on my 
shared vision of what POCA could be and what I saw (IMHO) it needed. 
While 23% of you did not agree, 77% of you did agree. I was both 
thrilled and excited that you would trust me to lead your long 
established club into a brave new future with a progressive plan of 
action. 

I know that many of you heard this, in our first BOD Meeting last 
January, I had a list of 23 agenda items. It was an ambitious 
beginning; what was not shared was that this wasn't my list for my 
whole term in office; it was my list for the first six months. Most of 
it has been accomplished; some items were not as a result of not being 
supported by a majority of the BOD. The BOD is comprised of your 8 
elected positions and the Past President. 

I must share with you that it has not been easy to work on your behalf; 
this is the part of this address where brutal honesty must kick in, and 
for that I must apologize. It is not now, nor was it ever my intent to 
divide the club with such a deep chasm as has been developing in recent 
weeks. In most polite clubs, governments, churches, HOA's, 
corporations, etc., when a new President or CEO is brought onboard with 
such a huge margin of victory, most reasonable people see the election 
results as a mandate by the electorate; in my particular case, a 
mandate for change to lead the club into the present and prepare it for 
the future. If some of those 23% who opposed me had truly embraced 
change, they would have accepted the decision of 77% of the members and 
worked with us, shoulder to shoulder, together as a solid, cohesive 
unit to institute meaningful, thoughtful and considered change for the 
betterment of the club. 

That is what happens in an ideal world; it of course, is not happening 
here. 

I'm sorry to do it, but I feel I share with you what has been going on 
during these past five months. But before I do that, let me tell you 
most people think I'm a nice guy; I have lots of friends in my own 
social circles, in business, in racing, and in my community. For fun, 
I run Political campaigns; in the last 20 years, I have managed 41 
Campaigns for elected public office and my candidates have won 38 
times. I am currently working on #42, which, by all indications, will 
turn into win #39 next Tuesday. Respectable discourse and debate are 
not new to me during elections, not are dirty tricks. What is new to 
me, in 100% of the time following these 41 previous elections, the side 
that was not successful understood those who voted made 
a distinct choice and rejected their candidate or platform. Never in 
my life have I encountered a group where those who lost (and I do not 
mean Rob; he has been a perfect gentleman, and I think we got along 
famously in Las Vegas) just seem to keep on doing their own thing and 
pay no attention to the person elected or the mandate they represent, 
that is to lead and provide direction to the whole club. 

Before I move forward in thought, let me share some good stuff. 

On the BOD I am honored to serve with Mike Burnett as Vice President; 
he is a thoughtful and measured man, an experienced business owner and 
former Fortune 500 Executive. You are lucky to have him standing by 
"just in case". He provides leadership, guidance and a way of letting 
me know I'm doing the right thing. We have never voted on opposite 
sides. 

When you elected me, you also elected Joe Stockett, your Secretary; Joe 
works in IT for a major bank. With Joe, you folks have someone 
dedicated to making perfect records for our meetings; you also have a 
teddy bear of a man who wants everybody to be happy. He is our 
peacemaker. We also have never voted differently on any issue. 

Next up is Ed Mendez, who serves as our PR Director; Ed is a computer 
whiz and has established our footprint on Facebook, during the past 6 
months generating over 200,000 Pantera related posts. Ed works weird 
hours and we often chat at 3 am about club business online, me in 
Georgia and Ed off in New Zealand. We also have never voted 
differently. 

Last on the progressive side of the room is our Past President, John 
Buckman. A super nice man who has provided amazing insight and 
guidance to me; his observations are spot on and he knows where all the 
bodies are buried; he knows the entire club and he has brought me up to 
speed on many items. Both he and his wife Kathy have been helpful to 
my efforts. We have voted differently a couple of times and I respect 
John for following his heart; he is the 5th vote for things for most of 
what we get done; sometimes he's not, and that's OK; we all need a 
person who proves, "you can't win them all". 

It is because of these folks and occasionally those not yet named that 
we have accomplished so much in the first five months of my term as 
your POCA President. 

We have opened up the financial books to member review; there simply 
are no secrets about money within POCA. We have a $100,000 reserve in 
the bank; it is there because for several years this club did not 
produce four Profiles every year, yet you all paid your full dues. With 
no expenses, building up a larger balance becomes very easy. 

I created the Cleveland Block, a monthly teleconference with POCA 
Chapter Presidents; we have had 4 such calls; I think the record thus 
far is 14/20 Chapter Presidents on a single call. These meetings are 
always respectful, polite and informative. It is where we share fresh 
ideas, which can be implemented or creatively adjusted to better serve 
POCA members. I enjoy these calls because there has been no yelling, 
no name-calling, no fighting and we all work towards a common goal. It 
is easy to see why each of these men were elected to be the President 
of their respective chapters. 

I wanted to make the POCA Hall of Fame a more visible part of the club; 
it now has a dedicated page on the website, and it will be populated 
soon. 

We attempted to set a standard policy whereby POCA would send flowers 
to any deceased member's family if they had 10+years of membership; 
that effort did not pass. 

I wrote a Code of Ethics for all POCA elected officers to sign, I 
signed it and so did all those listed above, others would not sign it. 
It basically states that you may not profit from the club, nor make 
personal gains as a result of your elected position. I was asked to 
rewrite it to take fewer pages (3), not knowing how to edit integrity 
out of the document, I have not represented it for additional 
signatures. 

I presented my vision for a new website; that vision is 70% complete 
and the result debuted on May 7th. It exceeded my expectations and 
I'm very pleased; it is a website I can now proudly refer others to 
visit as I reach out to build the POCA brand and a larger membership. 
I know it to be a sleek, performance oriented website; it navigates 
well and looks as good as any Pantera at speed on the open road. I am 
proud of my baby. The website has been a huge asset to membership, 
signing up more new members in a week than we normally get in several 
months. It has processed more renewals in the last week than are 
normally processed in several months. The best part is it is automated; 
when the new member signs up, they are instantly assigned a new member 
number, their online account is set up, and they receive an email in a 
few minutes with their login and temporary password to use the 
website. Their membership dues are deposited into our bank account 
within hours, and the best part, the POCA database is set up at the 
same time with their address, email, telephone numbers, etc. At the 
same time they are added to the mailing list for emails, Profiles and 
the monthly Newsletter. The website has over 450 POCA publications 
archived on it as well as all the DeTomaso, Ford, Modena, and ZF 
manuals from the $79.95 "The Works" DVD we used to sell. It's now FREE 
to all POCA members plus a lot more info in the technical library. You 
will also notice our 45+ Discussion Boards for members only; it's a 
better and safer (we have extensive malware, phishing and virus 
protection programs in place, unlike the old email forum) way to share 
information, ask for or give advice. 

On the home page, we have installed a rotating slide show to 
showcase member cars; if you have a photo that you would like to 
submit, please rename the file name to your name ("JohnSmithPantera") 
and submit as a jpeg no smaller than 400K and no larger than 5mb; email 
it to "[2]pocaphotodrop@gmail.com". We are going to change 
the slideshow monthly with 10 new POCA Member cars of contrasting views 
and colors. 

I made a presentation centered around 4 POCA Rallies per year 
(N.E.W.S., North, East, West and South) to be held in regional parts of 
the country to enable all POCA members to have the same opportunity as 
those who have attended the Fun Rally for 35 years. The first of these 
will be in Savannah, Georgia, Sept 29-Oct 2; it is called the 2016 POCA 
East Rally. It is my plan for these events to be hosted and run by 
Chapters on a rotating basis. In my humble opinion, POCA 
National should be providing instruction and a set of proven activity 
guidelines to be followed, insurance and registration support to 
facilitate these events. I believe the chapters should run 
the rallies and profit, based upon their ability to throw a party 
others will pay to attend. The is a proven concept in the car show 
community, Club A will make a super effort to attend a car show being 
sponsored by Club B because Club A knows if they do not support the 
show, then Club B will not make any effort to support their show, 
everybody wins because nobody wants to lose. POCA should only 
participate as BOD guests, have the right to sell POCA store items and 
conduct our raffle for National fundraising; everything else should be 
a responsibility of the host chapter. 

Can I have an Amen on that? 

Speaking of which, Yes I did ask for and deliver a blessing at the 
President's Breakfast, as I often do in my life. I am not one to get 
preachy or insist on compliance, everybody can do their own thing, but 
please consider - I still had two airplanes to get on before I was home 
safe again. 

I had no involvement in the recent 2016 Fun Rally in Las Vegas, which 
was scheduled before I was elected; I share no credit or blame in it at 
all. If you had a good time, thank the right people and if you didn't, 
those are the same people to voice your opinion too. 

The BOD has never run the Fun Rally, there has always been a Fun Rally 
Committee which consisted of 2 or 3 BOD members and 2-5 others who plan 
and manage these events. The aforementioned survey will be the Tale of 
the Tape; we'll ascertain how the event was perceived by those who 
attended and responded ( and so far over 40% of those in attendance 
have replied), and I'm looking forward to the results. 

We have started to work on a new draft of revised Bylaws to update the 
old version and fill in a few cracks. We have copies of the Bylaws 
used by the Ferrari, Porsche, Mustang, Shelby, and Jaguar clubs to 
determine what is common among car clubs. 

I mentioned early on in my candidacy that I felt the Newsletter should 
be distributed via email; we voted to do that (it passed) and it was 
supposed to sunset when the new website went online; that also has not 
happened. 

It is my desire the Newsletter and Profiles magazine become self 
sustaining with advertising space sold within their pages, like every 
other club newsletter and magazine in the world; this has also 
not happened. 

I took it upon myself to contrast and compare our Newsletter and 
Magazine Printing Costs, since this club spends $45,000 per year (more 
than we retain in member dues after Chapter rebates are deducted) to 
produce these publications, it seemed like what would be expected of me 
as your CEO. I feel I have a fiduciary duty to ensure that YOUR money 
is being spent prudently and wisely, I also helps that I was a partner 
in a printing company from 1986-1988 and have worked in professional 
media for 36 years. 

What I discovered was POCA has been severely overpaying for both 
publications. You currently are paying $25,000 for 12 monthly 
Newsletters which have a colored stock paper cover with Black ink and 
all Black and White content pages. You have been paying $20,000 for 4 
issues of Profiles, a quarterly magazine with a 4 color cover, 
sometimes a color 4 page insert and all the rest of the pages are Black 
and White. The newsletter is mailed loosely, as many of you know it 
often arrives looking worse for wear. Profiles is usually mailed in a 
large white POCA envelope which does protect it from dirt, but not from 
moisture. 

So I contacted half a dozen national printers and asked for competitive 
bids, and they poured in. All responsible businesses, club, 
organizations frequently release RFPs to stay abreast of competition, 
to review new services and lastly to keep current vendors honest and 
grateful for their continued patronage. All well run companies, 
churches, charities or clubs operate this way, vendors are not entitled 
to business, vendors must earn business and always offer fair and 
competitive prices, service and support. 

What came from all this work was the newly discovered ability to 
deliver POCA publications to it's members in FULL COLOR from front to 
back. A monthly 32 page Newsletter (with a matte finish and pre 
drilled for a three rig binder) and to deliver a 52 page Profiles 
magazine in FULL COLOR on glossy 100# stock, with both delivered to 
your homes in a plastic, sealed, water and dirt proof, heat shrinked 
bag with a laser address label and save the club $8,000 per year over 
what we are now paying for Black and White. 

$8,000 in Savings represents the net dues of 160 POCA members and is 
almost 20% of our total budget. Yet I am meeting a great deal 
of resistance. 

As I stated above, I would rather have a digital Newsletter and save 
all of that money and produce an even better printed Profiles. For 
this effort I am also meeting a great deal of resistance. 

During the Las Vegas Fun Rally at the President's Breakfast, we had in 
attendance 6-7 Chapter Presidents, 6 BOD members and 18 other assorted 
guests, 30 people in total who suggested that we simply raise our dues 
by $10 per member to facilitate keeping a printed paper Newsletter. At 
first I though this was an excellent compromise until I did the math, 
we have 22 chapters and almost 870 other members who rightly deserve a 
voice in this matter since 100% plus of your dues support these 
publications. 

I am going to be asking you to voice your opinion over this weekend, 
details below. 

I devised the "3-5-1 Membership Recruiting Program" which will allow 
any current POCA member to reach out to new member prospects as a 
recruiter and be awarded their membership dues for FREE (paid by the 
club) by helping us grow. That program is now underway and has it's 
own button on the lower menu on the website. 

If you sign up three new members, your National dues are paid for the 
following year and you are presented with a Silver POCA patch. 

If you recruit 5 New POCA Members within one year, your National and 
Local Chapter dues are paid the following year and you are presented 
with a GOLD POCA patch. 

For Superstars, if you achieve GOLD status 5 years in a row, you are 
presented with a Lifetime National POCA membership and you never pay 
National dues again (except for your Local Chapter's dues), plus you 
are presented with a Light Blue POCA patch. 

To help members achieve these goals and support this effort we have 
redesigned the POCA Membership brochure and printed enough copies of 
the full color trifold piece to ensure every member will have 5 to 
keep stowed away in their car. The brochure directs new member 
prospects to go online at [3]poca.com to sign up; during that process, 
they will have an opportunity to list their sponsoring member to ensure 
they are credited properly for 3-5-1 program rewards. 

I mentioned I wanted to take POCA worldwide, we now have forming new 
chapters in New Zealand and Canada, and we also have owners interested 
in the UK and France. On the new website, fully 33% of the newly 
joined members in the last week are International members. 

I stated to grow the club we must also include all DeTomaso cars, that 
too is happening (with a twist) because we are forming a Qvale Mangusta 
Chapter now and want to form chapters for each DeTomaso Model. The 
Qvale Club may even roll into POCA. 

Speaking of which, you will notice that I use POCA 10x more than 
Pantera; it is on purpose to help me to remember to be inclusive of all 
DeTomaso models and International efforts; there is no desire to change 
the name of the club, but it's OK to call Elizabeth - Betty, Beth, Liz 
or Lizzy, - we all still know who's the prettiest. 

I asked that all members must have a chapter designation to help build 
up the core of the club and make our chapters stronger; that also did 
not happen. I still believe the strength of any National club is 
derived from having strong chapters; even the Hell's Angels understand 
the concept; it works. To my way of thinking, a National club is only 
as strong as it's weakest chapter, we must do more to support the 
chapters. Helping build membership and spreading their influence, 
to grow strong is to grow from the base upwards. I think everybody 
knows the root system of a tree has a far greater spread than the 
limbs, branches and leaves; so too does a National club. Real strength 
comes from a strong base; any strong wind can fell a tree with weak 
roots. 

Members wanted to know if they could switch Chapters; yes, now you can, 
but only one Chapter gets the dues rebate and you may only do it once 
per year. I'm told the Chapter rebate is made 60-90 days after every 
member renews or joins, so if you are moving and do not wish to pay 
local chapter dues again, please make your switch when you renew. 

We established a PayPal account to accept dues, so now those who want 
to use a bank check or different credit card can do so easily. 

We have been seeking benefits for POCA members; thus far you are 
entitled to receive a 5% reduction in Collector Car Insurance 
from American Modern or Heacock; please contact me for the right agent 
to call. Denali PLS also offers a 10% rebate on hearing aids to POCA 
members. We are seeking more; if you have a company or service that you 
wish to turn on to our members, please contact me. 

In the works is our new DeTomaso Pantera Registry, I am looking for 
volunteers to assist in this effort, please reach out to me, it will be 
the finest registry in any car club, where the Car will be the Star, 
not the member who owns it. 

We wanted to add POCA Jr. Members; that also did not happen. 

We elected to bring Tom Tjaarda to the US as our guest in November 
where I have secured a special guest judge status for him on Saturday 
and Sunday at the Hilton Head Island Concours and Speed Classic. I 
have been allowed a special presentation area for 12 DeTomaso Cars. I 
am seeking prime examples that can make the trip to HHI, SC. Qvale, 
Vallelunga, Deauville, Longchamp, P70, P5000 and all variations of the 
Pantera. It is a very prestigious event with tons of national 
automotive press; we will reap lots of National exposure as a result. 

I tried to build support for a single National POCA Charity effort, 
something like a Toy Drive with the USMC at Christmas. I do it with my 
own club; last season we donated 1,200 toys in 3 hours; that also did 
not pass. 

Thanks to my friend and Southeast Pantera member Rob Dumoulins, we 
devised the DeTomaso 911 Directory (D911D) which is an opt in program 
to be on call 24/7 to assist any POCA member who may be traveling and 
develops an emergency issue. You can provide help in any number of 
ways, from simply directing them to professional services or going out 
to find them on the side of the road and helping to fix a problem. All 
you have to do is sign up on the website to be a real life POCA hero. 

Here are some things that you can expect in the near future. 

Everybody will be receiving a new POCA patch soon in DeTomaso Aqua, 
Black and Silver; it's just a small token to thank you for being a 
member. 

Everybody will be getting a new plastic POCA membership card that will 
also have a slot cut into it so that it can become a name tag for 
chapter events, car shows, etc. 

I am working on a better New Member welcome package proposal to present 
to the BOD for approval, those buying cars for $60,000 - $400,000 have 
higher expectations and if we are to capture the new owners, we must 
deliver upon those expectations. 

NEW POCA STORE, Josette and I are working very hard at building a new 
POCA and Detomaso merchandise online store. I carried 60 lbs of 
samples to Las Vegas in a giant overweight separate suitcase to review 
with Josette. In the coming months, you will have a store to rival 
those marketing savvy gurus at PCNC, in fact Josette and I will 
challenge them to a little Mall on Mall throwdown as soon as we get 
settled. Expect great stuff, fast delivery, online instant payments 
and always great customer service. 

That my friends is how we've been staying busy these past 5 months, 
updating, improving and constantly working to increase your POCA 
Membership experience. 

The four Board members named above deserve a GIANT round of applause 
for standing alongside me, shoulder to shoulder to plowing our way 
through to make all of this happen for you. Others outside the BOD who 
have been especially helpful include Marshall Smith, Jeff Dietrich, Rob 
Dumoulins, and Laurie Basile. 

On the Cleveland Block calls, most all of the Presidents have been kind 
and decent people with the shared common goal of serving the members 
first. I value their input monthly and look forward to the Cleveland 
Bock calls 10x more than I do the BOD calls. 

There is a lot going on where the club can be in the news, really big 
news will be coming soon which will probably cause your cars to become 
in even bigger demand and prices to rise even more. We need to be 
nice, play nice and remember to endeavour to present our brand and 
always represent as a positive, fun experience. 

We face many challenges; our club is by member count 50% over the age 
of 65, in 10-15 years, many of our current members will no longer be 
active in this avocation. For many their car has become less of 
a toy and more of an investment, already a great number of members who 
have "cashed out", but remain members because they love the people. 

The price of cars has risen to such a degree that thirty-year-old guys 
with a family can longer afford to buy; our buyers are now forty and 
fifty year old guys; some are sports car guys and some are simply 
investors. 

We must always remember to try to look in from the outside and see what 
members and non members see, we must never forget that job ONE is offer 
a membership experience that is appealing to everybody, renewals and 
new members alike. 

It is here where I will mention Bob Reid, your Treasurer. Outwardly 
over the first four months, he has been supportive of many of the 
programs listed above. I believe in my heart Bob wants what is best 
for the club. 

We were all blindsided by the announcement at the 2016 Fun Rally 
declaring the 2017 Fun Rally would return to the Plaza hotel next 
April. Here's the problem: the BOD never discussed it. We appointed 
Kent and Sandi Snyder as 2016 Fun Rally Coordinators; no mention was 
ever made for 2017 or beyond. So the Fun Rally may very well still 
take place in LV Vegas next year, but it remains to be seen if it will 
be a POCA event. Responding to the survey that was already sent to you 
is one tool that we have to settle this issue and move forward. You 
read what I thought above about all NEWS Rallies being rotating Chapter 
driven events, I stand by my assertion that is a far better route to 
success. 

Now, unfortunately, I have to share the not so nice stuff. I have been 
called mean, nasty, and all sorts of unflattering names by a small and 
select group of people opposed to everything we have done so far; they 
have kicked, screamed, emailed, broadcast emailed, violating BOD rules, 
violated POCA rules and violated common decency in every way, shape, 
and form. There are 6 members who shall remain nameless, out of 890 
people consume 75% of my time and attention. 

Last January, we had our very first BOD teleconference; I called the 
meeting to order and immediately was verbally attacked for my 23 item 
agenda, but have no worries my friends I have survived 36 years in Show 
Business, this isn't even close, but it is relevant to the culture that 
we must all work to change. 

POCA needs to be a nicer place and we all need to practice what we 
preach. We cannot attract new members if we are perceived as a bunch 
of mean and nasty people, I was never a flower child or a hippie ( more 
of a preppy), but a little hippie never hurt anybody and I did date a 
few. Let's leave the VW Bus at home, take the Pantera out instead and 
be nice. 

Membership Records have been and remain a struggle, when we made the 
move to go to online member sign up and management, we had to take the 
existing paper and old Microsoft Access records and convert them to an 
Excel database driven engine which is what enables the POCA.com website 
to manage our records. It took John and Kathy Buckman, Ed Mendez, Joe 
Stockett and over a month to correct the typos, wrong emails, old 
addresses, and bad telephone numbers. I want to reach out and offer 
many thanks to Gerry Romack and Rod Kunishige for their assistance too, 
we could not have done it without them. 

We are still struggling with it, but have it down to about a 2% error 
rate. I know that many of you are still getting late membership due 
notices and you have paid your dues many months ago, we are working to 
correct the problem and as soon as the collector of your payments 
reports them, we can make it stop. In fact, we can do that much faster. 
If you are one of the 91 people being email harassed and you have paid 
your dues, please email me a copy of your check, paypal receipt, credit 
card statement and I will have it credited immediately as I have done 
for 30 members in the last 10 days. I'm sorry it is happening to you, 
if you would please renew or join online, it would alleviate these 
issues instantly and you can double check your address, email 
and telephone info to insure that you will get your POCA publications 
on time. 

My promise when I accepted the nomination to run for President was to 
move the club forward, be progressive, update our technology and most 
importantly - grow the club; and with the support of a core group of 
the BOD, we have kept many of those promises. 

Later today you will all receive a survey asking for your advice on 
the direction for this club. It will be mostly yes and no answers, it 
should take no more than two minutes to complete, and there are no math 
questions, I promise. 

Please reply and I promise to abide by majority rule, we have 
representative leadership; I guess 77% was not high enough to send the 
message that you wanted change. Please answer with your heart. I will 
do exactly what you want, I truly value all members, we all share a the 
same passion, our DeTomaso Pantera. 

Thank you for reading this very, very long message and please look for 
the survey coming very soon after this email. 

Michael Shortt 

President 

POCA 

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Message: 9 
Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 06:32:46 -0700 
From: scottcouchman@yahoo.com 
To: Charles Engles <cengles@cox.net> 
Cc: "<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" 
<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 State of POCA Message 
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 

PS: The latest Pantera Survey questions from the Politburo remind me 
of that clever courtroom interrogation: "When did you stop beating your 
wife?" 

Amen!
...
On May 21, 2016, at 6:27 AM, Charles Engles <cengles@cox.net> wrote:
Dear Forum,
After reading Mr. Shortt's humble statement, I 
understand better that we are in the presence of a Renaissance Man. 
He is a polymath gifted in the arts and sciences of accounting, 
business, entertainment, politics and leadership.
His laser power point of a 77% vote majority that is 
gently referred to time and time again just a true leader would do, is 
reminiscent of other charismatic leaders such as Castro, Mussolini and 
Maduro. This is the mandate for change that he modulates with grace 
and compromise.
Our Messiah has come.
Reverentially yours, Chuck Engles
PS: The latest Pantera Survey questions from the Politburo remind me 
of that clever courtroom interrogation: "When did you stop beating your 
wife?"
From: Pantera Owner's Club of America(michaelsavga@gmail.com) 
[mailto:mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 8:50 PM 
To: cengles@cox.net 
Subject: 2016 State of POCA Message
[1]View in your browser 
_______________________________________________________________________
Greetings POCA Members,
In one of the free comment responses to the 2016 Fun Rally Survey which 
was sent out the day before yesterday (it will remain posted until 
Sunday night, please participate, even if you did not attend. There 
are questions about future POCA events and your opinion matters a great 
deal to me).
There was a comment that really struck home with me. It stated the 
following, "I wish the POCA President had given a report about the club 
in general at the banquet".
You know what, I wish I had too, it was my first time and I was being 
aimed and pointed most of the rally, I now have a closer understanding 
of my Dog's issues as a result.
You ladies and gentlemen deserve no less, so it's what I'm going to do 
now. Please forgive me being a fews days late.
2016 STATE OF POCA ADDRESS
A warm welcome to all of you, my fellow speeders with oil pumps for 
hearts and 20/50 dead dinosaurs running through your veins. I do enjoy 
the company of car people; we are a special breed, we can be like 
golfers, tennis players, bingo nuts or even ballroom dancers, we often 
make the long drive, serve one up on fire, get 6 in a row and appear 
graceful simply hitting an double apex at speed without lifting. Some 
of us do these things every weekend, if not every day.
I was elected presumably because I ran a campaign that promised change 
in all forms. My opponent for President was Rob D'Orazio, whom I met in 
person in Las Vegas along with his lovely wife, Josette, who serves as 
our POCA Store manager (and is very dedicated to her job, she did a 
fantastic job moving $4,600 in merchandise).
I know for a fact you did not "like me" better than Rob because I had 
never met most of you last year. You all know Rob; he is a nice guy 
who also cares deeply about this club.
Therefore, I must deduce (rather than assume which always leaves one 
open as a punch line) that your support of my candidacy was based on my 
shared vision of what POCA could be and what I saw (IMHO) it needed. 
While 23% of you did not agree, 77% of you did agree. I was both 
thrilled and excited that you would trust me to lead your long 
established club into a brave new future with a progressive plan of 
action.
I know that many of you heard this, in our first BOD Meeting last 
January, I had a list of 23 agenda items. It was an ambitious 
beginning; what was not shared was that this wasn't my list for my 
whole term in office; it was my list for the first six months. Most of 
it has been accomplished; some items were not as a result of not being 
supported by a majority of the BOD. The BOD is comprised of your 8 
elected positions and the Past President.
I must share with you that it has not been easy to work on your behalf; 
this is the part of this address where brutal honesty must kick in, and 
for that I must apologize. It is not now, nor was it ever my intent to 
divide the club with such a deep chasm as has been developing in recent 
weeks. In most polite clubs, governments, churches, HOA's, 
corporations, etc., when a new President or CEO is brought onboard with 
such a huge margin of victory, most reasonable people see the election 
results as a mandate by the electorate; in my particular case, a 
mandate for change to lead the club into the present and prepare it for 
the future. If some of those 23% who opposed me had truly embraced 
change, they would have accepted the decision of 77% of the members and 
worked with us, shoulder to shoulder, together as a solid, cohesive 
unit to institute meaningful, thoughtful and considered change for the 
betterment of the club.
That is what happens in an ideal world; it of course, is not happening 
here.
I'm sorry to do it, but I feel I share with you what has been going on 
during these past five months. But before I do that, let me tell you 
most people think I'm a nice guy; I have lots of friends in my own 
social circles, in business, in racing, and in my community. For fun, 
I run Political campaigns; in the last 20 years, I have managed 41 
Campaigns for elected public office and my candidates have won 38 
times. I am currently working on #42, which, by all indications, will 
turn into win #39 next Tuesday. Respectable discourse and debate are 
not new to me during elections, not are dirty tricks. What is new to 
me, in 100% of the time following these 41 previous elections, the side 
that was not successful understood those who voted made 
a distinct choice and rejected their candidate or platform. Never in 
my life have I encountered a group where those who lost (and I do not 
mean Rob; he has been a perfect gentleman, and I think we got along 
famously in Las Vegas) just seem to keep on doing their own thing and 
pay no attention to the person elected or the mandate they represent, 
that is to lead and provide direction to the whole club.
Before I move forward in thought, let me share some good stuff.
On the BOD I am honored to serve with Mike Burnett as Vice President; 
he is a thoughtful and measured man, an experienced business owner and 
former Fortune 500 Executive. You are lucky to have him standing by 
"just in case". He provides leadership, guidance and a way of letting 
me know I'm doing the right thing. We have never voted on opposite 
sides.
When you elected me, you also elected Joe Stockett, your Secretary; Joe 
works in IT for a major bank. With Joe, you folks have someone 
dedicated to making perfect records for our meetings; you also have a 
teddy bear of a man who wants everybody to be happy. He is our 
peacemaker. We also have never voted differently on any issue.
Next up is Ed Mendez, who serves as our PR Director; Ed is a computer 
whiz and has established our footprint on Facebook, during the past 6 
months generating over 200,000 Pantera related posts. Ed works weird 
hours and we often chat at 3 am about club business online, me in 
Georgia and Ed off in New Zealand. We also have never voted 
differently.
Last on the progressive side of the room is our Past President, John 
Buckman. A super nice man who has provided amazing insight and 
guidance to me; his observations are spot on and he knows where all the 
bodies are buried; he knows the entire club and he has brought me up to 
speed on many items. Both he and his wife Kathy have been helpful to 
my efforts. We have voted differently a couple of times and I respect 
John for following his heart; he is the 5th vote for things for most of 
what we get done; sometimes he's not, and that's OK; we all need a 
person who proves, "you can't win them all".
It is because of these folks and occasionally those not yet named that 
we have accomplished so much in the first five months of my term as 
your POCA President.
We have opened up the financial books to member review; there simply 
are no secrets about money within POCA. We have a $100,000 reserve in 
the bank; it is there because for several years this club did not 
produce four Profiles every year, yet you all paid your full dues. With 
no expenses, building up a larger balance becomes very easy.
I created the Cleveland Block, a monthly teleconference with POCA 
Chapter Presidents; we have had 4 such calls; I think the record thus 
far is 14/20 Chapter Presidents on a single call. These meetings are 
always respectful, polite and informative. It is where we share fresh 
ideas, which can be implemented or creatively adjusted to better serve 
POCA members. I enjoy these calls because there has been no yelling, 
no name-calling, no fighting and we all work towards a common goal. It 
is easy to see why each of these men were elected to be the President 
of their respective chapters.
I wanted to make the POCA Hall of Fame a more visible part of the club; 
it now has a dedicated page on the website, and it will be populated 
soon.
We attempted to set a standard policy whereby POCA would send flowers 
to any deceased member's family if they had 10+years of membership; 
that effort did not pass.
I wrote a Code of Ethics for all POCA elected officers to sign, I 
signed it and so did all those listed above, others would not sign it. 
It basically states that you may not profit from the club, nor make 
personal gains as a result of your elected position. I was asked to 
rewrite it to take fewer pages (3), not knowing how to edit integrity 
out of the document, I have not represented it for additional 
signatures.
I presented my vision for a new website; that vision is 70% complete 
and the result debuted on May 7th. It exceeded my expectations and 
I'm very pleased; it is a website I can now proudly refer others to 
visit as I reach out to build the POCA brand and a larger membership. 
I know it to be a sleek, performance oriented website; it navigates 
well and looks as good as any Pantera at speed on the open road. I am 
proud of my baby. The website has been a huge asset to membership, 
signing up more new members in a week than we normally get in several 
months. It has processed more renewals in the last week than are 
normally processed in several months. The best part is it is automated; 
when the new member signs up, they are instantly assigned a new member 
number, their online account is set up, and they receive an email in a 
few minutes with their login and temporary password to use the 
website. Their membership dues are deposited into our bank account 
within hours, and the best part, the POCA database is set up at the 
same time with their address, email, telephone numbers, etc. At the 
same time they are added to the mailing list for emails, Profiles and 
the monthly Newsletter. The website has over 450 POCA publications 
archived on it as well as all the DeTomaso, Ford, Modena, and ZF 
manuals from the $79.95 "The Works" DVD we used to sell. It's now FREE 
to all POCA members plus a lot more info in the technical library. You 
will also notice our 45+ Discussion Boards for members only; it's a 
better and safer (we have extensive malware, phishing and virus 
protection programs in place, unlike the old email forum) way to share 
information, ask for or give advice.
On the home page, we have installed a rotating slide show to 
showcase member cars; if you have a photo that you would like to 
submit, please rename the file name to your name ("JohnSmithPantera") 
and submit as a jpeg no smaller than 400K and no larger than 5mb; email 
it to "[2]pocaphotodrop@gmail.com". We are going to change 
the slideshow monthly with 10 new POCA Member cars of contrasting views 
and colors.
I made a presentation centered around 4 POCA Rallies per year 
(N.E.W.S., North, East, West and South) to be held in regional parts of 
the country to enable all POCA members to have the same opportunity as 
those who have attended the Fun Rally for 35 years. The first of these 
will be in Savannah, Georgia, Sept 29-Oct 2; it is called the 2016 POCA 
East Rally. It is my plan for these events to be hosted and run by 
Chapters on a rotating basis. In my humble opinion, POCA 
National should be providing instruction and a set of proven activity 
guidelines to be followed, insurance and registration support to 
facilitate these events. I believe the chapters should run 
the rallies and profit, based upon their ability to throw a party 
others will pay to attend. The is a proven concept in the car show 
community, Club A will make a super effort to attend a car show being 
sponsored by Club B because Club A knows if they do not support the 
show, then Club B will not make any effort to support their show, 
everybody wins because nobody wants to lose. POCA should only 
participate as BOD guests, have the right to sell POCA store items and 
conduct our raffle for National fundraising; everything else should be 
a responsibility of the host chapter.
Can I have an Amen on that?
Speaking of which, Yes I did ask for and deliver a blessing at the 
President's Breakfast, as I often do in my life. I am not one to get 
preachy or insist on compliance, everybody can do their own thing, but 
please consider - I still had two airplanes to get on before I was home 
safe again.
I had no involvement in the recent 2016 Fun Rally in Las Vegas, which 
was scheduled before I was elected; I share no credit or blame in it at 
all. If you had a good time, thank the right people and if you didn't, 
those are the same people to voice your opinion too.
The BOD has never run the Fun Rally, there has always been a Fun Rally 
Committee which consisted of 2 or 3 BOD members and 2-5 others who plan 
and manage these events. The aforementioned survey will be the Tale of 
the Tape; we'll ascertain how the event was perceived by those who 
attended and responded ( and so far over 40% of those in attendance 
have replied), and I'm looking forward to the results.
We have started to work on a new draft of revised Bylaws to update the 
old version and fill in a few cracks. We have copies of the Bylaws 
used by the Ferrari, Porsche, Mustang, Shelby, and Jaguar clubs to 
determine what is common among car clubs.
I mentioned early on in my candidacy that I felt the Newsletter should 
be distributed via email; we voted to do that (it passed) and it was 
supposed to sunset when the new website went online; that also has not 
happened.
It is my desire the Newsletter and Profiles magazine become self 
sustaining with advertising space sold within their pages, like every 
other club newsletter and magazine in the world; this has also 
not happened.
I took it upon myself to contrast and compare our Newsletter and 
Magazine Printing Costs, since this club spends $45,000 per year (more 
than we retain in member dues after Chapter rebates are deducted) to 
produce these publications, it seemed like what would be expected of me 
as your CEO. I feel I have a fiduciary duty to ensure that YOUR money 
is being spent prudently and wisely, I also helps that I was a partner 
in a printing company from 1986-1988 and have worked in professional 
media for 36 years.
What I discovered was POCA has been severely overpaying for both 
publications. You currently are paying $25,000 for 12 monthly 
Newsletters which have a colored stock paper cover with Black ink and 
all Black and White content pages. You have been paying $20,000 for 4 
issues of Profiles, a quarterly magazine with a 4 color cover, 
sometimes a color 4 page insert and all the rest of the pages are Black 
and White. The newsletter is mailed loosely, as many of you know it 
often arrives looking worse for wear. Profiles is usually mailed in a 
large white POCA envelope which does protect it from dirt, but not from 
moisture.
So I contacted half a dozen national printers and asked for competitive 
bids, and they poured in. All responsible businesses, club, 
organizations frequently release RFPs to stay abreast of competition, 
to review new services and lastly to keep current vendors honest and 
grateful for their continued patronage. All well run companies, 
churches, charities or clubs operate this way, vendors are not entitled 
to business, vendors must earn business and always offer fair and 
competitive prices, service and support.
What came from all this work was the newly discovered ability to 
deliver POCA publications to it's members in FULL COLOR from front to 
back. A monthly 32 page Newsletter (with a matte finish and pre 
drilled for a three rig binder) and to deliver a 52 page Profiles 
magazine in FULL COLOR on glossy 100# stock, with both delivered to 
your homes in a plastic, sealed, water and dirt proof, heat shrinked 
bag with a laser address label and save the club $8,000 per year over 
what we are now paying for Black and White.
$8,000 in Savings represents the net dues of 160 POCA members and is 
almost 20% of our total budget. Yet I am meeting a great deal 
of resistance.
As I stated above, I would rather have a digital Newsletter and save 
all of that money and produce an even better printed Profiles. For 
this effort I am also meeting a great deal of resistance.
During the Las Vegas Fun Rally at the President's Breakfast, we had in 
attendance 6-7 Chapter Presidents, 6 BOD members and 18 other assorted 
guests, 30 people in total who suggested that we simply raise our dues 
by $10 per member to facilitate keeping a printed paper Newsletter. At 
first I though this was an excellent compromise until I did the math, 
we have 22 chapters and almost 870 other members who rightly deserve a 
voice in this matter since 100% plus of your dues support these 
publications.
I am going to be asking you to voice your opinion over this weekend, 
details below.
I devised the "3-5-1 Membership Recruiting Program" which will allow 
any current POCA member to reach out to new member prospects as a 
recruiter and be awarded their membership dues for FREE (paid by the 
club) by helping us grow. That program is now underway and has it's 
own button on the lower menu on the website.
If you sign up three new members, your National dues are paid for the 
following year and you are presented with a Silver POCA patch.
If you recruit 5 New POCA Members within one year, your National and 
Local Chapter dues are paid the following year and you are presented 
with a GOLD POCA patch.
For Superstars, if you achieve GOLD status 5 years in a row, you are 
presented with a Lifetime National POCA membership and you never pay 
National dues again (except for your Local Chapter's dues), plus you 
are presented with a Light Blue POCA patch.
To help members achieve these goals and support this effort we have 
redesigned the POCA Membership brochure and printed enough copies of 
the full color trifold piece to ensure every member will have 5 to 
keep stowed away in their car. The brochure directs new member 
prospects to go online at [3]poca.com to sign up; during that process, 
they will have an opportunity to list their sponsoring member to ensure 
they are credited properly for 3-5-1 program rewards.
I mentioned I wanted to take POCA worldwide, we now have forming new 
chapters in New Zealand and Canada, and we also have owners interested 
in the UK and France. On the new website, fully 33% of the newly 
joined members in the last week are International members.
I stated to grow the club we must also include all DeTomaso cars, that 
too is happening (with a twist) because we are forming a Qvale Mangusta 
Chapter now and want to form chapters for each DeTomaso Model. The 
Qvale Club may even roll into POCA.
Speaking of which, you will notice that I use POCA 10x more than 
Pantera; it is on purpose to help me to remember to be inclusive of all 
DeTomaso models and International efforts; there is no desire to change 
the name of the club, but it's OK to call Elizabeth - Betty, Beth, Liz 
or Lizzy, - we all still know who's the prettiest.
I asked that all members must have a chapter designation to help build 
up the core of the club and make our chapters stronger; that also did 
not happen. I still believe the strength of any National club is 
derived from having strong chapters; even the Hell's Angels understand 
the concept; it works. To my way of thinking, a National club is only 
as strong as it's weakest chapter, we must do more to support the 
chapters. Helping build membership and spreading their influence, 
to grow strong is to grow from the base upwards. I think everybody 
knows the root system of a tree has a far greater spread than the 
limbs, branches and leaves; so too does a National club. Real strength 
comes from a strong base; any strong wind can fell a tree with weak 
roots.
Members wanted to know if they could switch Chapters; yes, now you can, 
but only one Chapter gets the dues rebate and you may only do it once 
per year. I'm told the Chapter rebate is made 60-90 days after every 
member renews or joins, so if you are moving and do not wish to pay 
local chapter dues again, please make your switch when you renew.
We established a PayPal account to accept dues, so now those who want 
to use a bank check or different credit card can do so easily.
We have been seeking benefits for POCA members; thus far you are 
entitled to receive a 5% reduction in Collector Car Insurance 
from American Modern or Heacock; please contact me for the right agent 
to call. Denali PLS also offers a 10% rebate on hearing aids to POCA 
members. We are seeking more; if you have a company or service that you 
wish to turn on to our members, please contact me.
In the works is our new DeTomaso Pantera Registry, I am looking for 
volunteers to assist in this effort, please reach out to me, it will be 
the finest registry in any car club, where the Car will be the Star, 
not the member who owns it.
We wanted to add POCA Jr. Members; that also did not happen.
We elected to bring Tom Tjaarda to the US as our guest in November 
where I have secured a special guest judge status for him on Saturday 
and Sunday at the Hilton Head Island Concours and Speed Classic. I 
have been allowed a special presentation area for 12 DeTomaso Cars. I 
am seeking prime examples that can make the trip to HHI, SC. Qvale, 
Vallelunga, Deauville, Longchamp, P70, P5000 and all variations of the 
Pantera. It is a very prestigious event with tons of national 
automotive press; we will reap lots of National exposure as a result.
I tried to build support for a single National POCA Charity effort, 
something like a Toy Drive with the USMC at Christmas. I do it with my 
own club; last season we donated 1,200 toys in 3 hours; that also did 
not pass.
Thanks to my friend and Southeast Pantera member Rob Dumoulins, we 
devised the DeTomaso 911 Directory (D911D) which is an opt in program 
to be on call 24/7 to assist any POCA member who may be traveling and 
develops an emergency issue. You can provide help in any number of 
ways, from simply directing them to professional services or going out 
to find them on the side of the road and helping to fix a problem. All 
you have to do is sign up on the website to be a real life POCA hero.
Here are some things that you can expect in the near future.
Everybody will be receiving a new POCA patch soon in DeTomaso Aqua, 
Black and Silver; it's just a small token to thank you for being a 
member.
Everybody will be getting a new plastic POCA membership card that will 
also have a slot cut into it so that it can become a name tag for 
chapter events, car shows, etc.
I am working on a better New Member welcome package proposal to present 
to the BOD for approval, those buying cars for $60,000 - $400,000 have 
higher expectations and if we are to capture the new owners, we must 
deliver upon those expectations.
NEW POCA STORE, Josette and I are working very hard at building a new 
POCA and Detomaso merchandise online store. I carried 60 lbs of 
samples to Las Vegas in a giant overweight separate suitcase to review 
with Josette. In the coming months, you will have a store to rival 
those marketing savvy gurus at PCNC, in fact Josette and I will 
challenge them to a little Mall on Mall throwdown as soon as we get 
settled. Expect great stuff, fast delivery, online instant payments 
and always great customer service.
That my friends is how we've been staying busy these past 5 months, 
updating, improving and constantly working to increase your POCA 
Membership experience.
The four Board members named above deserve a GIANT round of applause 
for standing alongside me, shoulder to shoulder to plowing our way 
through to make all of this happen for you. Others outside the BOD who 
have been especially helpful include Marshall Smith, Jeff Dietrich, Rob 
Dumoulins, and Laurie Basile.
On the Cleveland Block calls, most all of the Presidents have been kind 
and decent people with the shared common goal of serving the members 
first. I value their input monthly and look forward to the Cleveland 
Bock calls 10x more than I do the BOD calls.
There is a lot going on where the club can be in the news, really big 
news will be coming soon which will probably cause your cars to become 
in even bigger demand and prices to rise even more. We need to be 
nice, play nice and remember to endeavour to present our brand and 
always represent as a positive, fun experience.
We face many challenges; our club is by member count 50% over the age 
of 65, in 10-15 years, many of our current members will no longer be 
active in this avocation. For many their car has become less of 
a toy and more of an investment, already a great number of members who 
have "cashed out", but remain members because they love the people.
The price of cars has risen to such a degree that thirty-year-old guys 
with a family can longer afford to buy; our buyers are now forty and 
fifty year old guys; some are sports car guys and some are simply 
investors.
We must always remember to try to look in from the outside and see what 
members and non members see, we must never forget that job ONE is offer 
a membership experience that is appealing to everybody, renewals and 
new members alike.
It is here where I will mention Bob Reid, your Treasurer. Outwardly 
over the first four months, he has been supportive of many of the 
programs listed above. I believe in my heart Bob wants what is best 
for the club.
We were all blindsided by the announcement at the 2016 Fun Rally 
declaring the 2017 Fun Rally would return to the Plaza hotel next 
April. Here's the problem: the BOD never discussed it. We appointed 
Kent and Sandi Snyder as 2016 Fun Rally Coordinators; no mention was 
ever made for 2017 or beyond. So the Fun Rally may very well still 
take place in LV Vegas next year, but it remains to be seen if it will 
be a POCA event. Responding to the survey that was already sent to you 
is one tool that we have to settle this issue and move forward. You 
read what I thought above about all NEWS Rallies being rotating Chapter 
driven events, I stand by my assertion that is a far better route to 
success.
Now, unfortunately, I have to share the not so nice stuff. I have been 
called mean, nasty, and all sorts of unflattering names by a small and 
select group of people opposed to everything we have done so far; they 
have kicked, screamed, emailed, broadcast emailed, violating BOD rules, 
violated POCA rules and violated common decency in every way, shape, 
and form. There are 6 members who shall remain nameless, out of 890 
people consume 75% of my time and attention.
Last January, we had our very first BOD teleconference; I called the 
meeting to order and immediately was verbally attacked for my 23 item 
agenda, but have no worries my friends I have survived 36 years in Show 
Business, this isn't even close, but it is relevant to the culture that 
we must all work to change.
POCA needs to be a nicer place and we all need to practice what we 
preach. We cannot attract new members if we are perceived as a bunch 
of mean and nasty people, I was never a flower child or a hippie ( more 
of a preppy), but a little hippie never hurt anybody and I did date a 
few. Let's leave the VW Bus at home, take the Pantera out instead and 
be nice.
Membership Records have been and remain a struggle, when we made the 
move to go to online member sign up and management, we had to take the 
existing paper and old Microsoft Access records and convert them to an 
Excel database driven engine which is what enables the POCA.com website 
to manage our records. It took John and Kathy Buckman, Ed Mendez, Joe 
Stockett and over a month to correct the typos, wrong emails, old 
addresses, and bad telephone numbers. I want to reach out and offer 
many thanks to Gerry Romack and Rod Kunishige for their assistance too, 
we could not have done it without them.
We are still struggling with it, but have it down to about a 2% error 
rate. I know that many of you are still getting late membership due 
notices and you have paid your dues many months ago, we are working to 
correct the problem and as soon as the collector of your payments 
reports them, we can make it stop. In fact, we can do that much faster. 
If you are one of the 91 people being email harassed and you have paid 
your dues, please email me a copy of your check, paypal receipt, credit 
card statement and I will have it credited immediately as I have done 
for 30 members in the last 10 days. I'm sorry it is happening to you, 
if you would please renew or join online, it would alleviate these 
issues instantly and you can double check your address, email 
and telephone info to insure that you will get your POCA publications 
on time.
My promise when I accepted the nomination to run for President was to 
move the club forward, be progressive, update our technology and most 
importantly - grow the club; and with the support of a core group of 
the BOD, we have kept many of those promises.
Later today you will all receive a survey asking for your advice on 
the direction for this club. It will be mostly yes and no answers, it 
should take no more than two minutes to complete, and there are no math 
questions, I promise.
Please reply and I promise to abide by majority rule, we have 
representative leadership; I guess 77% was not high enough to send the 
message that you wanted change. Please answer with your heart. I will 
do exactly what you want, I truly value all members, we all share a the 
same passion, our DeTomaso Pantera.
Thank you for reading this very, very long message and please look for 
the survey coming very soon after this email.
Michael Shortt
President
POCA
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Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 09:33:36 -0400 
From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com> 
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Hi Guys, 

I started to fill out the POCA Direction Survey, but I can?t. 

Some of the questions are fine, and need to be asked. But some are designed 
to support one viewpoint over another. 

For example: 

1. I fully support the direction the club is headed in under the new 
President and the progressive BOD members who support moving the club 
forward. 
O Absolutely, the change was long over due. I can already see the 
difference. 
O Not at all, please stop improving things and leave it alone. 

The responses can be interpreted thusly: 
A. Rock on, you are awesome, and everyone else is an idiot. 
B. I?m stupid, and I like it that way. 

Seriously? 

How about? 
C. I support the direction the club is headed, but the President is 
alienating too many members and needs to tone down his message. 
D. Why not have a free form text field and let the members write what they 
want? It?s not like we have billions of members and can?t sort through 
their responses. 

Will. 

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Hi Guys, 

I started to fill out the POCA Direction Survey, but I can't. 

Some of the questions are fine, and need to be asked. But some are 
designed to support one viewpoint over another. 

For example: 

1. I fully support the direction the club is headed in under the new 
President and the progressive BOD members who support moving the club 
forward. 

O Absolutely, the change was long over due. I can already see the 
difference. 

O Not at all, please stop improving things and leave it alone. 

The responses can be interpreted thusly: 

A. Rock on, you are awesome, and everyone else is an idiot. 

B. I'm stupid, and I like it that way. 

Seriously? 

How about? 

C. I support the direction the club is headed, but the President is 
alienating too many members and needs to tone down his message. 

D. Why not have a free form text field and let the members write what 
they want? It's not like we have billions of members and can't sort 
through their responses. 

Will. 

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Subject: We want your opinion 

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Message: 11 
Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 06:48:53 -0700 
From: "Stephen" <steve@snclocks.com> 
To: "'Will Kooiman'" <will.kooiman@gmail.com>, 
<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: We want your opinion 
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I took the survey, left about half the questions blank, and, funniest thing, 
pointed out in the comments section exactly what Will quoted about beating 
ones wife. Oh, also commented that perhaps it would help to proof read the 
survey before sending it out. 

Stephen Nelson 

-----Original Message----- 
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf 
Of Will Kooiman 
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 6:34 AM 
To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 
Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: We want your opinion 

Hi Guys, 

I started to fill out the POCA Direction Survey, but I can?t. 

Some of the questions are fine, and need to be asked. But some are designed 
to support one viewpoint over another. 

For example: 

1. I fully support the direction the club is headed in under the new 
President and the progressive BOD members who support moving the club 
forward. 
O Absolutely, the change was long over due. I can already see the 
difference. 
O Not at all, please stop improving things and leave it alone. 

The responses can be interpreted thusly: 
A. Rock on, you are awesome, and everyone else is an idiot. 
B. I?m stupid, and I like it that way. 

Seriously? 

How about? 
C. I support the direction the club is headed, but the President is 
alienating too many members and needs to tone down his message. 
D. Why not have a free form text field and let the members write what they 
want? It?s not like we have billions of members and can?t sort through 
their responses. 

Will. 

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Message: 12 
Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 06:56:07 -0700 
From: "Stephen" <steve@snclocks.com> 
To: "'Charles Engles'" <cengles@cox.net>, 
<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 State of POCA Message 
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Ahhh - once again Charles cuts to the essence of the matter - 'cept he forgot a few of the other truly charismatic leaders with qualifications at least as stellar as Master Shortt's - Robert Mugabe, and Jacob Zuma come to mind. 

I quit reading after the first couple of paragraphs. Gads! 

OOPS! I attributed the quote about beating wives to Will - sorry Charles! 

Stephen Nelson 

-----Original Message----- 
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Charles Engles 
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 6:28 AM 
To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2016 State of POCA Message 

Dear Forum, 

After reading Mr. Shortt?s humble statement, I understand better that we are in the presence of a Renaissance Man. He is a polymath gifted in the arts and sciences of accounting, business, entertainment, politics and leadership. 

His laser power point of a 77% vote majority that is gently referred to time and time again just a true leader would do, is reminiscent of other charismatic leaders such as Castro, Mussolini and Maduro. This is the mandate for change that he modulates with grace and compromise. 

Our Messiah has come. 

Reverentially yours, Chuck Engles 

PS: The latest Pantera Survey questions from the Politburo remind me of that clever courtroom interrogation: ?When did you stop beating your wife?? 

From: Pantera Owner's Club of America(michaelsavga@gmail.com) [mailto:mailer@mail2.clubexpress.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 8:50 PM 
To: cengles@cox.net 
Subject: 2016 State of POCA Message 

View in your browser <http://POCA.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=722&club_id=999896&emtid=48579683612&mtid=293966696752&ht=0> 

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Greetings POCA Members, 

In one of the free comment responses to the 2016 Fun Rally Survey which was sent out the day before yesterday (it will remain posted until Sunday night, please participate, even if you did not attend. There are questions about future POCA events and your opinion matters a great deal to me). 

There was a comment that really struck home with me. It stated the following, "I wish the POCA President had given a report about the club in general at the banquet". 

You know what, I wish I had too, it was my first time and I was being aimed and pointed most of the rally, I now have a closer understanding of my Dog's issues as a result. 

You ladies and gentlemen deserve no less, so it's what I'm going to do now. Please forgive me being a fews days late. 

2016 STATE OF POCA ADDRESS 