Re: [DeTomaso] Clutch Pedal Reduction Kit with Diaphragm Pressure Plate?
I bought a complete pedal assy out of a 74 and installed it in 1362 as it had the effort reduction. The first thing I noticed MORE than the reduction in effort was I GOT A LONGER STROKE on the clutch disengaugement. I do not have to bottom out he clutch pedal all the way to the floor like i did before. This alone makes it worth it! Bill 1362 https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook -----Original Message-----
From: "B. SEIB" <oldwheel@shaw.ca> Sent: Jun 2, 2016 1:48 PM To: 'Mike Drew' <MikeLDrew@aol.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com, 'Ken Green' <kenn_green@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Clutch Pedal Reduction Kit with Diaphragm Pressure Plate?
Thanks Mike I have been through all of that 600 miles ago. It's all new and/or well lubed. Carefully assembled. I think the long throw slave adds effort. Barry
-----Original Message----- From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com] Sent: June-02-16 12:40 PM To: B. SEIB Cc: Ken Green; <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; <davel@emspace.com>; <byrdjf@embarqmail.com>; <will.kooiman@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Clutch Pedal Reduction Kit with Diaphragm Pressure Plate?
Barry,
Something often overlooked is the potential for friction caused by failure of the bearings that support the 'clutch fork' that presses on the throw out bearing. I know of one car that had very high pedal effort and investigation revealed that those two bearings were seriously rusted. When you disconnect the slave cylinder from the lever, the lever (and connected shaft) should be free to move very easily.
Mike
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On Jun 2, 2016, at 12:32, "B. SEIB" <oldwheel@shaw.ca> wrote:
Ken
I have a Centerforce Pantera diaphragm clutch. I have the effort reduction kit and the Long throw slave in stainless steel. The pedal effort is still pretty fierce. I would say maybe 40-50 lbs to depress. I'm thinking of going back to the stock slave cylinder which will reduce pedal effort at the expense of less friction plate clearance when depressed. I seem to have an abundance of that.
Barry
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Given the mechanical characteristics of a diaphragm pressure plate, does it make any sense to use a clutch pedal kit with one? My recollection is that the clutch pedal kit provides more leverage when the pedal is fully depressed, but a diaphragm pressure plate does that anyway? Ken
From: "B. SEIB" <oldwheel@shaw.ca> Sent: Jun 2, 2016 1:48 PM To: 'Mike Drew' <MikeLDrew@aol.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com, 'Ken Green' <kenn_green@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Clutch Pedal Reduction Kit with Diaphragm Pressure Plate?
Thanks Mike I have been through all of that 600 miles ago. It's all new and/or well lubed. Carefully assembled. I think the long throw slave adds effort. Barry
-----Original Message----- From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com] Sent: June-02-16 12:40 PM To: B. SEIB Cc: Ken Green; <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; <davel@emspace.com>; <byrdjf@embarqmail.com>; <will.kooiman@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Clutch Pedal Reduction Kit with Diaphragm Pressure Plate?
Barry,
Something often overlooked is the potential for friction caused by failure of the bearings that support the 'clutch fork' that presses on the throw out bearing. I know of one car that had very high pedal effort and investigation revealed that those two bearings were seriously rusted. When you disconnect the slave cylinder from the lever, the lever (and connected shaft) should be free to move very easily.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 2, 2016, at 12:32, "B. SEIB" <oldwheel@shaw.ca> wrote:
Ken
I have a Centerforce Pantera diaphragm clutch. I have the effort reduction kit and the Long throw slave in stainless steel. The pedal effort is still pretty fierce. I would say maybe 40-50 lbs to depress. I'm thinking of going back to the stock slave cylinder which will reduce pedal effort at the expense of less friction plate clearance when depressed. I seem to have an abundance of that.
Barry
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I think I can agree with this Bill. It's not that bad, but the initial effort to push the pedal still isn't a light touch! Barry -----Original Message----- From: bill gaino [mailto:gaino@earthlink.net] Sent: June-02-16 3:06 PM To: B. SEIB; 'Mike Drew' Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com; 'Ken Green' Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Clutch Pedal Reduction Kit with Diaphragm PressurePlate? I bought a complete pedal assy out of a 74 and installed it in 1362 as it had the effort reduction. The first thing I noticed MORE than the reduction in effort was I GOT A LONGER STROKE on the clutch disengaugement. I do not have to bottom out he clutch pedal all the way to the floor like i did before. This alone makes it worth it! Bill 1362 https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook -----Original Message----- -
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Given the mechanical characteristics of a diaphragm pressure plate, does it make any sense to use a clutch pedal kit with one? My recollection is that the clutch pedal kit provides more leverage when the pedal is fully depressed, but a diaphragm pressure plate does that anyway? Ken
Ken had the right issue identified here. More stroke for same pedal travel and cylinder = more effort. Force reduction = less stroke or more pedal travel. No free lunch. dave On 6/2/2016 3:26 PM, B. SEIB wrote:
I think I can agree with this Bill. It's not that bad, but the initial effort to push the pedal still isn't a light touch!
Barry
-----Original Message----- From: bill gaino [mailto:gaino@earthlink.net] Sent: June-02-16 3:06 PM To: B. SEIB; 'Mike Drew' Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com; 'Ken Green' Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Clutch Pedal Reduction Kit with Diaphragm PressurePlate?
I bought a complete pedal assy out of a 74 and installed it in 1362 as it had the effort reduction. The first thing I noticed MORE than the reduction in effort was I GOT A LONGER STROKE on the clutch disengaugement. I do not have to bottom out he clutch pedal all the way to the floor like i did before. This alone makes it worth it! Bill 1362
https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fref=ts
If you want it slick. www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook
From: "B. SEIB" <oldwheel@shaw.ca> Sent: Jun 2, 2016 1:48 PM To: 'Mike Drew' <MikeLDrew@aol.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com, 'Ken Green' <kenn_green@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Clutch Pedal Reduction Kit with Diaphragm Pressure Plate? Thanks Mike I have been through all of that 600 miles ago. It's all new and/or well lubed. Carefully assembled. I think the long throw slave adds effort. Barry
-----Original Message----- From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com] Sent: June-02-16 12:40 PM To: B. SEIB Cc: Ken Green; <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; <davel@emspace.com>; <byrdjf@embarqmail.com>; <will.kooiman@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Clutch Pedal Reduction Kit with Diaphragm Pressure Plate?
Barry,
Something often overlooked is the potential for friction caused by failure of the bearings that support the 'clutch fork' that presses on the throw out bearing. I know of one car that had very high pedal effort and investigation revealed that those two bearings were seriously rusted. When you disconnect the slave cylinder from the lever, the lever (and connected shaft) should be free to move very easily.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 2, 2016, at 12:32, "B. SEIB" <oldwheel@shaw.ca> wrote:
Ken
I have a Centerforce Pantera diaphragm clutch. I have the effort reduction kit and the Long throw slave in stainless steel. The pedal effort is still pretty fierce. I would say maybe 40-50 lbs to depress. I'm thinking of going back to the stock slave cylinder which will reduce pedal effort at the expense of less friction plate clearance when depressed. I seem to have an abundance of that.
Barry
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Given the mechanical characteristics of a diaphragm pressure plate, does it make any sense to use a clutch pedal kit with one? My recollection is that the clutch pedal kit provides more leverage when the pedal is fully depressed, but a diaphragm pressure plate does that anyway? Ken
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