Finally watched it.  I think the air scoop for the inter cooler is overkill.  The could use an air to water heat exchanger and cycle coolant to the nose. Ken From: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas@comcast.net> To: 'Scott Bell' <scott@saccrestorations.net>; rfmccall@comcast.net; "'Byrd, Joseph'" <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Cc: 'Pantera Mail List' <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud - orange Pantera? Did anybody notice in the background early in the episode what looks like an orange Pantera in the background?  And what's with the Ferrari sitting in a number of shots? Mike T. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Scott Bell Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:18 PM To: rfmccall@comcast.net; 'Byrd, Joseph' <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Cc: 'Pantera Mail List' <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Hi Ron, I don't know when the car was purchased but I know the build happened in March of 2016. Given that these shows take time to put together, I would guess they had the car well before the build started. Good observation! Scott -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of rfmccall@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 6:13 PM To: Byrd, Joseph Cc: Pantera Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Something that I found interesting is that while I was watching a re-run of what my DVR says is Episode 6/Season 6( which is the first part of the Ford GT build) and sure enough, the exact same white '72 Pantera in in the background in several of the shots. The show made it seem like they bought the car and started the build a few weeks later. The Ford GT episode aired nearly a year ago so who knows when that build was filmed much less how long ago the Pantera was bought. That could explain the low purchase price. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> To: "Pantera Mail List" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 4:12:31 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud During the design stage, air flow to the engine was considered.  I read there was a concern about having an air exit similar to the Mangusta because it would “frost over” and block flow cid:image001.png@01D18958.40377A40 -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Larry Stock Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 15:22 PM To: Ken Green; rfmccall@comcast.net; gaino, bill Cc: Email List Address For Posting; Larry Finch Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Since there is no real air flow around where they placed the After Cooler, Maybe the air scoop is to create air flow to the after cooler and NOT the engine, I would simply use electric fans for this, but they ARE the Texas TV Experts, and I guess that¹s the way its done in Texas. Maybe our Pantera Boys in Texas need to give them some help here. Since they also eliminated the trunk storage area, they must not see the need get out much. Larry On 9/14/16, 12:00 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso" < <mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com%20on%20behalf%20of%20detoma so@server.detomasolist.com> detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:

  Getting cool air to the engine seems to be a difficult issue for a

  Pantera if you don't want to alter the looks.  Has anyone seen a

  solution that doesn't look like an after thought?

  Ken

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  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud

  Here is a pic from FB.

  Ron

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  The scoop looks like it feeds the ZF.. Fugly  Bill 1362

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  >All,

  >

  >I am resending this screen capture from last nightas show, as my

  previous post seems to have lost its subject line.

  >

  >Please don't shoot the messenger.

  >

  >Since Richard liked the Nike interior disaster on the Ring Brothers

  hack-job (at least enough to buy the thing), I imagine they will F-up

  the interior of this Pantera to match their exterior disfigurement.

  >

  >Larry

  >

  >I am especially enamored with the tasteful deck lid cut-out

  necessitated by the taller 3.5L V6.

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From: " <mailto:[16]rfmccall@comcast.net> [17]rfmccall@comcast.net" < <mailto:[18]rfmccall@comcast.net> [19]rfmccall@comcast.net> To: "gaino, bill" < <mailto:[20]gaino@earthlink.net> [21]gaino@earthlink.net> Cc: Email List Address For Posting < <mailto:[22]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [23]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; Larry Finch < <mailto:[24]fresnofinches@aol.com> [25]fresnofinches@aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Here is a pic from FB. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill gaino" <[1] <mailto:[26]gaino@earthlink.net> [27]gaino@earthlink.net> To: "Larry Finch" <[2] <mailto:[28]fresnofinches@aol.com> [29]fresnofinches@aol.com>, "Email List Address For Posting" <[3] <mailto:[30]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [31]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 1:41:18 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud The scoop looks like it feeds the ZF.. Fugly Bill 1362 [4] <[32]https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=t s&> [33]https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts & fref=ts If you want it slick. <[34]http://www.slickpaint.com/> www.slickpaint.com

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Ken __________________________________________________________________ From: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas@comcast.net> To: 'Scott Bell' <scott@saccrestorations.net>; rfmccall@comcast.net; "'Byrd, Joseph'" <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Cc: 'Pantera Mail List' <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud - orange Pantera? Did anybody notice in the background early in the episode what looks like an orange Pantera in the background? And what's with the Ferrari sitting in a number of shots? Mike T. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Scott Bell Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:18 PM To: [2]rfmccall@comcast.net; 'Byrd, Joseph' <[3]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Cc: 'Pantera Mail List' <[4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Hi Ron, I don't know when the car was purchased but I know the build happened in March of 2016. Given that these shows take time to put together, I would guess they had the car well before the build started. Good observation! Scott -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of [6]rfmccall@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 6:13 PM To: Byrd, Joseph Cc: Pantera Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Something that I found interesting is that while I was watching a re-run of what my DVR says is Episode 6/Season 6( which is the first part of the Ford GT build) and sure enough, the exact same white '72 Pantera in in the background in several of the shots. The show made it seem like they bought the car and started the build a few weeks later. The Ford GT episode aired nearly a year ago so who knows when that build was filmed much less how long ago the Pantera was bought. That could explain the low purchase price. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[7]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> To: "Pantera Mail List" <[8]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 4:12:31 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud During the design stage, air flow to the engine was considered. I read there was a concern about having an air exit similar to the Mangusta because it would afrost overa and block flow cid:[9]image001.png@01D18958.40377A40 -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Larry Stock Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 15:22 PM To: Ken Green; [11]rfmccall@comcast.net; gaino, bill Cc: Email List Address For Posting; Larry Finch Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Since there is no real air flow around where they placed the After Cooler, Maybe the air scoop is to create air flow to the after cooler and NOT the engine, I would simply use electric fans for this, but they ARE the Texas TV Experts, and I guess thatA^1s the way its done in Texas. Maybe our Pantera Boys in Texas need to give them some help here. Since they also eliminated the trunk storage area, they must not see the need get out much. Larry On 9/14/16, 12:00 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso" < <mailto:[12]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com%20on%20behalf%20of %20detoma [13]so@server.detomasolist.com> [14]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of [15]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: like us on facebook

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All,

I am resending this screen capture from last nightas show, as my

-----Original Message----- previous post seems to have lost its subject line.

...

Please don't shoot the messenger.

Since Richard liked the Nike interior disaster on the Ring Brothers

hack-job (at least enough to buy the thing), I imagine they will F-up the interior of this Pantera to match their exterior disfigurement.

...

Larry

I am especially enamored with the tasteful deck lid cut-out

necessitated by the taller 3.5L V6.

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"Other than that Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play?" "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> 🇺🇸 From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Reply-To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew@aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>> Date: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:27 PM To: Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com<mailto:kenn_green@yahoo.com>> Cc: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas@comcast.net<mailto:mbefthomas@comcast.net>>, Pantera Mail List <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud All, Just saw the second show. What is hilarious is that they didn't make it a sealed air intake from the roof to the inter cooler. It's basically just a piece of metal tacked to the decklid. These morons didn't even consider that airflow goes from the bottom past the engine and out the top, so their scoop is designed to capture superheated air and duct it to the intercooler!!!!! They said they thought somebody would pay $200-300k for it. Yet as auction time drew near perhaps they started to realize how dumb they were. They finished it late, understandable enough. They could always have entered it in the next BJ auction? But at the end of the show, there is no talk of that. Instead there is whimpering, saying he has $100k tied up in it and begging somebody to call him and buy it. Jeff--I dare you to drive down there in your stock-looking white L model, act interested, then ask them what it would take to return it to stock! Tell them as a stock car it might be worth $70-75k but as it stands, all the modifications have hurt the value by the cost it will take to undo them! It's probably worth $30-40k if the stock engine, and all other parts are included? :) I love the brakes though. Nice job with that Scott. :) I grudgingly admit that the power train swap appears to have been largely successful and it certainly is innovative. I seriously doubt they saved an ounce of weight when you factor in the weight of all the turbos, intercooler, electronics, massive wheels etc so in fact it's probably heavier than stock too. In the beginning they were claiming 600 hp was the target. Notice how quiet things got at the end? No boasting of big power numbers. You only need 200 hp to do donuts so that doesn't prove anything. It would be interesting to learn what they actually achieved--other than wrecking what would have been a lovely Pantera had it been restored, or even modified to GT5 or GT5-S or something.... Mike Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2016, at 17:20, Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: Finally watched it. I think the air scoop for the inter cooler is overkill. The could use an air to water heat exchanger and cycle coolant to the nose. Ken __________________________________________________________________ From: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas@comcast.net<mailto:mbefthomas@comcast.net>> To: 'Scott Bell' <scott@saccrestorations.net<mailto:scott@saccrestorations.net>>; rfmccall@comcast.net<mailto:rfmccall@comcast.net>; "'Byrd, Joseph'" <byrdjf@embarqmail.com<mailto:byrdjf@embarqmail.com>> Cc: 'Pantera Mail List' <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud - orange Pantera? Did anybody notice in the background early in the episode what looks like an orange Pantera in the background? And what's with the Ferrari sitting in a number of shots? Mike T. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Scott Bell Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:18 PM To: [2]rfmccall@comcast.net<mailto:rfmccall@comcast.net>; 'Byrd, Joseph' <[3]byrdjf@embarqmail.com<mailto:byrdjf@embarqmail.com>> Cc: 'Pantera Mail List' <[4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Hi Ron, I don't know when the car was purchased but I know the build happened in March of 2016. Given that these shows take time to put together, I would guess they had the car well before the build started. Good observation! Scott -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of [6]rfmccall@comcast.net<mailto:rfmccall@comcast.net> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 6:13 PM To: Byrd, Joseph Cc: Pantera Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Something that I found interesting is that while I was watching a re-run of what my DVR says is Episode 6/Season 6( which is the first part of the Ford GT build) and sure enough, the exact same white '72 Pantera in in the background in several of the shots. The show made it seem like they bought the car and started the build a few weeks later. The Ford GT episode aired nearly a year ago so who knows when that build was filmed much less how long ago the Pantera was bought. That could explain the low purchase price. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[7]byrdjf@embarqmail.com<mailto:byrdjf@embarqmail.com>> To: "Pantera Mail List" <[8]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 4:12:31 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud During the design stage, air flow to the engine was considered. I read there was a concern about having an air exit similar to the Mangusta because it would afrost overa and block flow cid:[9]image001.png@01D18958.40377A40<mailto:image001.png@01D18958.40377A40> -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Larry Stock Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 15:22 PM To: Ken Green; [11]rfmccall@comcast.net<mailto:rfmccall@comcast.net>; gaino, bill Cc: Email List Address For Posting; Larry Finch Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Since there is no real air flow around where they placed the After Cooler, Maybe the air scoop is to create air flow to the after cooler and NOT the engine, I would simply use electric fans for this, but they ARE the Texas TV Experts, and I guess thatA^1s the way its done in Texas. Maybe our Pantera Boys in Texas need to give them some help here. Since they also eliminated the trunk storage area, they must not see the need get out much. Larry On 9/14/16, 12:00 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso" < <mailto:[12]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com%20on%20behalf%20of %20detoma [13]so@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:so@server.detomasolist.com>> [14]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of [15]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: Getting cool air to the engine seems to be a difficult issue for a Pantera if you don't want to alter the looks. Has anyone seen a solution that doesn't look like an after thought? Ken __________________________________________________________________ From: " <mailto:[16]rfmccall@comcast.net> [17]rfmccall@comcast.net<mailto:rfmccall@comcast.net>" < <mailto:[18]rfmccall@comcast.net> [19]rfmccall@comcast.net<mailto:rfmccall@comcast.net>> To: "gaino, bill" < <mailto:[20]gaino@earthlink.net> [21]gaino@earthlink.net<mailto:gaino@earthlink.net>> Cc: Email List Address For Posting < <mailto:[22]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [23]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>; Larry Finch < <mailto:[24]fresnofinches@aol.com> [25]fresnofinches@aol.com<mailto:fresnofinches@aol.com>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Here is a pic from FB. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill gaino" <[1] <mailto:[26]gaino@earthlink.net> [27]gaino@earthlink.net<mailto:gaino@earthlink.net>> To: "Larry Finch" <[2] <mailto:[28]fresnofinches@aol.com> [29]fresnofinches@aol.com<mailto:fresnofinches@aol.com>>, "Email List Address For Posting" <[3] <mailto:[30]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [31]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 1:41:18 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud The scoop looks like it feeds the ZF.. Fugly Bill 1362 [4] <[32]https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=t s&> [33]https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts & fref=ts If you want it slick. <[34]http://www.slickpaint.com/> www.slickpaint.com like us on facebook -----Original Message----- From: Larry Finch via DeTomaso <[5] <mailto:[35]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [36]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Sent: Sep 13, 2016 1:03 PM To: Email List Address For Posting <[6] <mailto:[37]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [38]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud All, I am resending this screen capture from last nightas show, as my previous post seems to have lost its subject line. Please don't shoot the messenger. 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"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[3]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Reply-To: Mike Drew <[4]MikeLDrew@aol.com> Date: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:27 PM To: Ken Green <[5]kenn_green@yahoo.com> Cc: Mike Thomas <[6]mbefthomas@comcast.net>, Pantera Mail List <[7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud All, Just saw the second show. What is hilarious is that they didn't make it a sealed air intake from the roof to the inter cooler. It's basically just a piece of metal tacked to the decklid. These morons didn't even consider that airflow goes from the bottom past the engine and out the top, so their scoop is designed to capture superheated air and duct it to the intercooler!!!!! They said they thought somebody would pay $200-300k for it. Yet as auction time drew near perhaps they started to realize how dumb they were. They finished it late, understandable enough. They could always have entered it in the next BJ auction? But at the end of the show, there is no talk of that. Instead there is whimpering, saying he has $100k tied up in it and begging somebody to call him and buy it. Jeff--I dare you to drive down there in your stock-looking white L model, act interested, then ask them what it would take to return it to stock! Tell them as a stock car it might be worth $70-75k but as it stands, all the modifications have hurt the value by the cost it will take to undo them! It's probably worth $30-40k if the stock engine, and all other parts are included? :) I love the brakes though. Nice job with that Scott. :) I grudgingly admit that the power train swap appears to have been largely successful and it certainly is innovative. I seriously doubt they saved an ounce of weight when you factor in the weight of all the turbos, intercooler, electronics, massive wheels etc so in fact it's probably heavier than stock too. In the beginning they were claiming 600 hp was the target. Notice how quiet things got at the end? No boasting of big power numbers. You only need 200 hp to do donuts so that doesn't prove anything. It would be interesting to learn what they actually achieved--other than wrecking what would have been a lovely Pantera had it been restored, or even modified to GT5 or GT5-S or something.... Mike Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2016, at 17:20, Ken Green via DeTomaso <[8]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: Finally watched it. I think the air scoop for the inter cooler is overkill. The could use an air to water heat exchanger and cycle coolant to the nose. Ken __________________________________________________________________ From: Mike Thomas <[9]mbefthomas@comcast.net> To: 'Scott Bell' <[10]scott@saccrestorations.net>; [11]rfmccall@comcast.net; "'Byrd, Joseph'" <[12]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Cc: 'Pantera Mail List' <[13]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud - orange Pantera? Did anybody notice in the background early in the episode what looks like an orange Pantera in the background? And what's with the Ferrari sitting in a number of shots? Mike T. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[14]mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Scott Bell Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:18 PM To: [2][15]rfmccall@comcast.net; 'Byrd, Joseph' <[3][16]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Cc: 'Pantera Mail List' <[4][17]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Hi Ron, I don't know when the car was purchased but I know the build happened in March of 2016. Given that these shows take time to put together, I would guess they had the car well before the build started. Good observation! Scott -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[18]mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of [6][19]rfmccall@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 6:13 PM To: Byrd, Joseph Cc: Pantera Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Something that I found interesting is that while I was watching a re-run of what my DVR says is Episode 6/Season 6( which is the first part of the Ford GT build) and sure enough, the exact same white '72 Pantera in in the background in several of the shots. The show made it seem like they bought the car and started the build a few weeks later. The Ford GT episode aired nearly a year ago so who knows when that build was filmed much less how long ago the Pantera was bought. That could explain the low purchase price. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[7][20]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> To: "Pantera Mail List" <[8][21]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 4:12:31 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud During the design stage, air flow to the engine was considered. I read there was a concern about having an air exit similar to the Mangusta because it would afrost overa and block flow cid:[9][22]image001.png@01D18958.40377A40 -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[23]mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Larry Stock Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 15:22 PM To: Ken Green; [11][24]rfmccall@comcast.net; gaino, bill Cc: Email List Address For Posting; Larry Finch Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Since there is no real air flow around where they placed the After Cooler, Maybe the air scoop is to create air flow to the after cooler and NOT the engine, I would simply use electric fans for this, but they ARE the Texas TV Experts, and I guess thatA^1s the way its done in Texas. Maybe our Pantera Boys in Texas need to give them some help here. Since they also eliminated the trunk storage area, they must not see the need get out much. Larry On 9/14/16, 12:00 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso" < <[25]mailto:[12]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com%20on%20behalf% 20of %20detoma [13][26]so@server.detomasolist.com> [14][27]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of [15][28]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: Getting cool air to the engine seems to be a difficult issue for a Pantera if you don't want to alter the looks. Has anyone seen a solution that doesn't look like an after thought? Ken __________________________________________________________________ From: " <[29]mailto:[16]rfmccall@comcast.net> [17][30]rfmccall@comcast.net" < <[31]mailto:[18]rfmccall@comcast.net> [19][32]rfmccall@comcast.net> To: "gaino, bill" < <[33]mailto:[20]gaino@earthlink.net> [21][34]gaino@earthlink.net> Cc: Email List Address For Posting < <[35]mailto:[22]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [23][36]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; Larry Finch < <[37]mailto:[24]fresnofinches@aol.com> [25][38]fresnofinches@aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Here is a pic from FB. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill gaino" <[1] <[39]mailto:[26]gaino@earthlink.net> [27][40]gaino@earthlink.net> To: "Larry Finch" <[2] <[41]mailto:[28]fresnofinches@aol.com> [29][42]fresnofinches@aol.com>, "Email List Address For Posting" <[3] <[43]mailto:[30]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [31][44]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 1:41:18 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud The scoop looks like it feeds the ZF.. 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And the rearview mirror must work good too. LOL

On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:55 AM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> wrote:

Staying at Mad Dog's place in Fresno after the Silver State Classic Challenge and we watched this episode last night.

Mike, you hit it on the head. I went to bed last night mulling over nearly all the same points. I thought the install of the Ecoboost actually looked pretty good, but butchering the decklid only to feed hot air from the engine into the intercooler was really dumb. It was obvious they had no idea of the airflow in a Pantera and that became a real detriment to their work.

I agree, I don't think it will sell very well at all. If they had done something different with the intercooler so they didn't have to butcher the decklid, I think it might have been a much better and more appealing build. However, I still think even then, it's not going to get near what they were thinking.

I was actually disappointed in the show overall. Asa Jay

Quoting Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>:

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All,

Just saw the second show.

What is hilarious is that they didn't make it a sealed air intake from the roof to the inter cooler. It's basically just a piece of metal tacked to the decklid. These morons didn't even consider that airflow goes from the bottom past the engine and out the top, so their scoop is designed to capture superheated air and duct it to the intercooler!!!!!

They said they thought somebody would pay $200-300k for it. Yet as auction time drew near perhaps they started to realize how dumb they were. They finished it late, understandable enough. They could always have entered it in the next BJ auction? But at the end of the show, there is no talk of that. Instead there is whimpering, saying he has $100k tied up in it and begging somebody to call him and buy it.

Jeff--I dare you to drive down there in your stock-looking white L model, act interested, then ask them what it would take to return it to stock! Tell them as a stock car it might be worth $70-75k but as it stands, all the modifications have hurt the value by the cost it will take to undo them!

It's probably worth $30-40k if the stock engine, and all other parts are included? :)

I love the brakes though. Nice job with that Scott. :)

I grudgingly admit that the power train swap appears to have been largely successful and it certainly is innovative. I seriously doubt they saved an ounce of weight when you factor in the weight of all the turbos, intercooler, electronics, massive wheels etc so in fact it's probably heavier than stock too.

In the beginning they were claiming 600 hp was the target. Notice how quiet things got at the end? No boasting of big power numbers. You only need 200 hp to do donuts so that doesn't prove anything. It would be interesting to learn what they actually achieved--other than wrecking what would have been a lovely Pantera had it been restored, or even modified to GT5 or GT5-S or something....

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 19, 2016, at 17:20, Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:

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Finally watched it. I think the air scoop for the inter cooler is overkill. The could use an air to water heat exchanger and cycle coolant to the nose. Ken __________________________________________________________________

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Getting cool air to the engine seems to be a difficult issue for a Pantera if you don't want to alter the looks. Has anyone seen a solution that doesn't look like an after thought? Ken __________________________________________________________________

From: " <mailto:[16]rfmccall@comcast.net> [17]rfmccall@comcast.net" < <mailto:[18]rfmccall@comcast.net> [19]rfmccall@comcast.net> To: "gaino, bill" < <mailto:[20]gaino@earthlink.net> [21]gaino@earthlink.net> Cc: Email List Address For Posting < <mailto:[22]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [23]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; Larry Finch < <mailto:[24]fresnofinches@aol.com> [25]fresnofinches@aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Here is a pic from FB. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill gaino" <[1] <mailto:[26]gaino@earthlink.net> [27]gaino@earthlink.net> To: "Larry Finch" <[2] <mailto:[28]fresnofinches@aol.com> [29]fresnofinches@aol.com>, "Email List Address For Posting" <[3] <mailto:[30]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [31]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 1:41:18 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud The scoop looks like it feeds the ZF.. Fugly Bill 1362 [4] <[32]https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=t s&> [33]https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts & fref=ts If you want it slick. <[34]http://www.slickpaint.com/> www.slickpaint.com

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From: Larry Finch via DeTomaso <[5] <mailto:[35]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [36]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Sep 13, 2016 1:03 PM To: Email List Address For Posting <[6] <mailto:[37]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [38]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud

All,

I am resending this screen capture from last nightas show, as my

-----Original Message----- previous post seems to have lost its subject line.

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Please don't shoot the messenger.

Since Richard liked the Nike interior disaster on the Ring Brothers

hack-job (at least enough to buy the thing), I imagine they will F-up the interior of this Pantera to match their exterior disfigurement.

...

Larry

I am especially enamored with the tasteful deck lid cut-out

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“Blindspot” would work

On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:50 AM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> wrote:

Technically, what should it be called? A "sail" sounds too polite.

-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jack Donahue Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:04 PM To: Asa Jay Laughton Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud

And the rearview mirror must work good too. LOL

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On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:55 AM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> wrote:

Staying at Mad Dog's place in Fresno after the Silver State Classic Challenge and we watched this episode last night.

Mike, you hit it on the head. I went to bed last night mulling over nearly all the same points. I thought the install of the Ecoboost actually looked pretty good, but butchering the decklid only to feed hot air from the engine into the intercooler was really dumb. It was obvious they had no idea of the airflow in a Pantera and that became a real detriment to their work.

I agree, I don't think it will sell very well at all. If they had done something different with the intercooler so they didn't have to butcher the decklid, I think it might have been a much better and more appealing build. However, I still think even then, it's not going to get near what they were thinking.

I was actually disappointed in the show overall. Asa Jay

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All,

Just saw the second show.

What is hilarious is that they didn't make it a sealed air intake from the roof to the inter cooler. It's basically just a piece of metal tacked to the decklid. These morons didn't even consider that airflow goes from the bottom past the engine and out the top, so their scoop is designed to capture superheated air and duct it to the intercooler!!!!!

They said they thought somebody would pay $200-300k for it. Yet as auction time drew near perhaps they started to realize how dumb they were. They finished it late, understandable enough. They could always have entered it in the next BJ auction? But at the end of the show, there is no talk of that. Instead there is whimpering, saying he has $100k tied up in it and begging somebody to call him and buy it.

Jeff--I dare you to drive down there in your stock-looking white L model, act interested, then ask them what it would take to return it to stock! Tell them as a stock car it might be worth $70-75k but as it stands, all the modifications have hurt the value by the cost it will take to undo them!

It's probably worth $30-40k if the stock engine, and all other parts are included? :)

I love the brakes though. Nice job with that Scott. :)

I grudgingly admit that the power train swap appears to have been largely successful and it certainly is innovative. I seriously doubt they saved an ounce of weight when you factor in the weight of all the turbos, intercooler, electronics, massive wheels etc so in fact it's probably heavier than stock too.

In the beginning they were claiming 600 hp was the target. Notice how quiet things got at the end? No boasting of big power numbers. You only need 200 hp to do donuts so that doesn't prove anything. It would be interesting to learn what they actually achieved--other than wrecking what would have been a lovely Pantera had it been restored, or even modified to GT5 or GT5-S or something....

Mike

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Finally watched it. I think the air scoop for the inter cooler is overkill. The could use an air to water heat exchanger and cycle coolant to the nose. Ken

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Getting cool air to the engine seems to be a difficult issue for a Pantera if you don't want to alter the looks. Has anyone seen a solution that doesn't look like an after thought? Ken __________________________________________________________________

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I am resending this screen capture from last nightas show, as my

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Since Richard liked the Nike interior disaster on the Ring Brothers

hack-job (at least enough to buy the thing), I imagine they will F-up the interior of this Pantera to match their exterior disfigurement.

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I am especially enamored with the tasteful deck lid cut-out

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I tied to watch that eposide on my computer (very bad sound). But I KNOW what that “scoop” is now. The Gas Monkey’s tongue! I did learn something of value, six guys can carry the body. Joe/NC From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 16:59 PM To: Jack Donahue; Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud exploding zit? _____ From: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com> To: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud “Blindspot” would work

On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:50 AM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> wrote:

Technically, what should it be called? A "sail" sounds too polite.

-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jack Donahue Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:04 PM To: Asa Jay Laughton Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud

And the rearview mirror must work good too. LOL

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On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:55 AM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> wrote:

Staying at Mad Dog's place in Fresno after the Silver State Classic Challenge and we watched this episode last night.

Mike, you hit it on the head. I went to bed last night mulling over nearly all the same points. I thought the install of the Ecoboost actually looked pretty good, but butchering the decklid only to feed hot air from the engine into the intercooler was really dumb. It was obvious they had no idea of the airflow in a Pantera and that became a real detriment to their work.

I agree, I don't think it will sell very well at all. If they had done something different with the intercooler so they didn't have to butcher the decklid, I think it might have been a much better and more appealing build. However, I still think even then, it's not going to get near what they were thinking.

I was actually disappointed in the show overall. Asa Jay

Quoting Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>:

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All,

Just saw the second show.

What is hilarious is that they didn't make it a sealed air intake from the roof to the inter cooler. It's basically just a piece of metal tacked to the decklid. These morons didn't even consider that airflow goes from the bottom past the engine and out the top, so their scoop is designed to capture superheated air and duct it to the intercooler!!!!!

They said they thought somebody would pay $200-300k for it. Yet as auction time drew near perhaps they started to realize how dumb they were. They finished it late, understandable enough. They could always have entered it in the next BJ auction? But at the end of the show, there is no talk of that. Instead there is whimpering, saying he has $100k tied up in it and begging somebody to call him and buy it.

Jeff--I dare you to drive down there in your stock-looking white L model, act interested, then ask them what it would take to return it to stock! Tell them as a stock car it might be worth $70-75k but as it stands, all the modifications have hurt the value by the cost it will take to undo them!

It's probably worth $30-40k if the stock engine, and all other parts are included? :)

I love the brakes though. Nice job with that Scott. :)

I grudgingly admit that the power train swap appears to have been largely successful and it certainly is innovative. I seriously doubt they saved an ounce of weight when you factor in the weight of all the turbos, intercooler, electronics, massive wheels etc so in fact it's probably heavier than stock too.

In the beginning they were claiming 600 hp was the target. Notice how quiet things got at the end? No boasting of big power numbers. You only need 200 hp to do donuts so that doesn't prove anything. It would be interesting to learn what they actually achieved--other than wrecking what would have been a lovely Pantera had it been restored, or even modified to GT5 or GT5-S or something....

Mike

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Finally watched it. I think the air scoop for the inter cooler is overkill. The could use an air to water heat exchanger and cycle coolant to the nose. Ken

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Getting cool air to the engine seems to be a difficult issue for a Pantera if you don't want to alter the looks. Has anyone seen a solution that doesn't look like an after thought? Ken __________________________________________________________________

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I am resending this screen capture from last nightas show, as my

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Please don't shoot the messenger.

Since Richard liked the Nike interior disaster on the Ring Brothers

hack-job (at least enough to buy the thing), I imagine they will F-up the interior of this Pantera to match their exterior disfigurement.

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I am especially enamored with the tasteful deck lid cut-out

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On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:50 AM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[5]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> wrote:

Technically, what should it be called? A "sail" sounds too polite.

-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[6]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jack Donahue Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:04 PM To: Asa Jay Laughton Cc: [7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud

And the rearview mirror must work good too. LOL

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On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:55 AM, Asa Jay Laughton <[8]asajay@asajay.com> wrote:

Staying at Mad Dog's place in Fresno after the Silver State Classic Challenge and we watched this episode last night.

Mike, you hit it on the head. I went to bed last night mulling over nearly all the same points. I thought the install of the Ecoboost actually looked pretty good, but butchering the decklid only to feed hot air from the engine into the intercooler was really dumb. It was obvious they had no idea of the airflow in a Pantera and that became a real detriment to

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I agree, I don't think it will sell very well at all. If they had

done something different with the intercooler so they didn't have to butcher the decklid, I think it might have been a much better and more appealing build. However, I still think even then, it's not going to get near what

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I was actually disappointed in the show overall. Asa Jay

Quoting Mike Drew via DeTomaso

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All,

Just saw the second show.

What is hilarious is that they didn't make it a sealed air intake

from the roof to the inter cooler. It's basically just a piece of metal tacked to the decklid. These morons didn't even consider that airflow goes from

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They said they thought somebody would pay $200-300k for it. Yet as

auction time drew near perhaps they started to realize how dumb they were. They finished it late, understandable enough. They could always have entered it in the next BJ auction? But at the end of the show, there is no talk of

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Jeff--I dare you to drive down there in your stock-looking white L

model, act interested, then ask them what it would take to return it to stock! Tell

bottom past the engine and out the top, so their scoop is designed to capture superheated air and duct it to the intercooler!!!!! that. Instead there is whimpering, saying he has $100k tied up in it and begging somebody to call him and buy it. them as a stock car it might be worth $70-75k but as it stands, all

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It's probably worth $30-40k if the stock engine, and all other

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are included? :)

I love the brakes though. Nice job with that Scott. :)

I grudgingly admit that the power train swap appears to have been largely successful and it certainly is innovative. I seriously doubt they saved an ounce of weight when you factor in the weight of all the turbos, intercooler, electronics, massive wheels etc so in fact it's probably heavier than stock too.

In the beginning they were claiming 600 hp was the target. Notice how quiet things got at the end? No boasting of big power numbers. You only need 200 hp to do donuts so that doesn't prove anything. It would be interesting to learn what they actually achieved--other than wrecking what would have been a lovely Pantera had it been restored, or even modified to GT5 or GT5-S or something....

Mike

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On Sep 19, 2016, at 17:20, Ken Green via DeTomaso <[10]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:

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Finally watched it. I think the air scoop for the inter cooler is overkill. The could use an air to water heat exchanger and cycle coolant to the nose. Ken

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From: Mike Thomas <[11]mbefthomas@comcast.net> To: 'Scott Bell' <[12]scott@saccrestorations.net>; [13]rfmccall@comcast.net; "'Byrd, Joseph'" <[14]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Cc: 'Pantera Mail List' <[15]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud - orange Pantera? Did anybody notice in the background early in the episode what looks like an orange Pantera in the background? And what's with the Ferrari sitting in a number of shots? Mike T. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1][16]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Scott Bell Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:18 PM To: [2][17]rfmccall@comcast.net; 'Byrd, Joseph' <[3][18]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Cc: 'Pantera Mail List' <[4][19]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Hi Ron, I don't know when the car was purchased but I know the build happened in March of 2016. Given that these shows take time to put together, I would guess they had the car well before the build started. Good observation! Scott -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5][20]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of [6][21]rfmccall@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 6:13 PM To: Byrd, Joseph Cc: Pantera Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Something that I found interesting is that while I was watching a re-run of what my DVR says is Episode 6/Season 6( which is the first part of the Ford GT build) and sure enough, the exact same white '72 Pantera in in the background in several of the shots. The show made it seem

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build was filmed much less how long ago the Pantera was bought. That could explain the low purchase price. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[7][22]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> To: "Pantera Mail List" <[8][23]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 4:12:31 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud During the design stage, air flow to the engine was considered. I read there was a concern about having an air exit similar to

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Mangusta because it would afrost overa and block flow cid:[9][24]image001.png@01D18958.40377A40 -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[10][25]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Larry Stock Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 15:22 PM To: Ken Green; [11][26]rfmccall@comcast.net; gaino, bill Cc: Email List Address For Posting; Larry Finch Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Since there is no real air flow around where they placed the After Cooler, Maybe

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air scoop is to create air flow to the after cooler and NOT the engine, I would simply use electric fans for this, but they ARE

_______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I tied to watch that eposide on my computer (very bad sound). But I KNOW what that "scoop" is now. The Gas Monkey's tongue! I did learn something of value, six guys can carry the body. Joe/NC From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 16:59 PM To: Jack Donahue; Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud exploding zit? _______________________________________________________________________ From: Jack Donahue <[1]demongusta@gmail.com> To: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[2]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Cc: "[3]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud "Blindspot" would work their they were the the them! parts like that the the the

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Texas TV Experts, and I guess thatA^1s the way its done in Texas. Maybe our Pantera Boys in Texas need to give them some help here. Since they also eliminated the trunk storage area, they must not see the need get out much. Larry On 9/14/16, 12:00 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso" <

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Getting cool air to the engine seems to be a difficult issue for a Pantera if you don't want to alter the looks. Has anyone seen a solution that doesn't look like an after thought? Ken

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To: "gaino, bill" < <mailto:[20][35]gaino@earthlink.net> [21][36]gaino@earthlink.net> Cc: Email List Address For Posting < <mailto:[22][37]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [23][38]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; Larry Finch < <mailto:[24][39]fresnofinches@aol.com> [25][40]fresnofinches@aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Here is a pic from FB. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill gaino" <[1] <mailto:[26][41]gaino@earthlink.net> [27][42]gaino@earthlink.net> To: "Larry Finch" <[2] <mailto:[28][43]fresnofinches@aol.com> [29][44]fresnofinches@aol.com>, "Email List Address For Posting" <[3] <mailto:[30][45]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [31][46]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 1:41:18 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud The scoop looks

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All,

I am resending this screen capture from last nightas show, as my

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Please don't shoot the messenger.

Since Richard liked the Nike interior disaster on the Ring Brothers

hack-job (at least enough to buy the thing), I imagine they will F-up the interior of this Pantera to match their exterior disfigurement.

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I am especially enamored with the tasteful deck lid cut-out

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On Sep 20, 2016, at 7:54 PM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> wrote:

I tied to watch that eposide on my computer (very bad sound). But I KNOW what that "scoop" is now. The Gas Monkey's tongue!

I did learn something of value, six guys can carry the body.

Joe/NC

From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 16:59 PM To: Jack Donahue; Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud

exploding zit?

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From: Jack Donahue <[1]demongusta@gmail.com> To: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[2]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Cc: "[3]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud

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On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:50 AM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[5]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> wrote:

Technically, what should it be called? A "sail" sounds too polite.

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And the rearview mirror must work good too. LOL

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On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:55 AM, Asa Jay Laughton <[8]asajay@asajay.com> wrote:

Staying at Mad Dog's place in Fresno after the Silver State Classic Challenge and we watched this episode last night.

Mike, you hit it on the head. I went to bed last night mulling over nearly all the same points. I thought the install of the Ecoboost actually looked pretty good, but butchering the decklid only to feed hot air from the engine into the intercooler was really dumb. It was obvious they had no idea of the airflow in a Pantera and that became a real detriment to

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I agree, I don't think it will sell very well at all. If they had

done something different with the intercooler so they didn't have to butcher the decklid, I think it might have been a much better and more appealing build. However, I still think even then, it's not going to get near what

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I was actually disappointed in the show overall. Asa Jay

Quoting Mike Drew via DeTomaso

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All,

Just saw the second show.

What is hilarious is that they didn't make it a sealed air intake

from the roof to the inter cooler. It's basically just a piece of metal tacked to the decklid. These morons didn't even consider that airflow goes from

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They said they thought somebody would pay $200-300k for it. Yet as

auction time drew near perhaps they started to realize how dumb they were. They finished it late, understandable enough. They could always have entered it in the next BJ auction? But at the end of the show, there is no talk of

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Jeff--I dare you to drive down there in your stock-looking white L

model, act interested, then ask them what it would take to return it to stock! Tell

bottom past the engine and out the top, so their scoop is designed to capture superheated air and duct it to the intercooler!!!!! that. Instead there is whimpering, saying he has $100k tied up in it and begging somebody to call him and buy it. them as a stock car it might be worth $70-75k but as it stands, all

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It's probably worth $30-40k if the stock engine, and all other

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I love the brakes though. Nice job with that Scott. :)

I grudgingly admit that the power train swap appears to have been largely successful and it certainly is innovative. I seriously doubt they saved an ounce of weight when you factor in the weight of all the turbos, intercooler, electronics, massive wheels etc so in fact it's probably heavier than stock too.

In the beginning they were claiming 600 hp was the target. Notice how quiet things got at the end? No boasting of big power numbers. You only need 200 hp to do donuts so that doesn't prove anything. It would be interesting to learn what they actually achieved--other than wrecking what would have been a lovely Pantera had it been restored, or even modified to GT5 or GT5-S or something....

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGqpWfccq5A I didn't want to, but you made me go back and watch again. Luckily it was at the very beginning (1:35). Joe -----Original Message----- From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 22:57 PM To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Joe, I think the body was on a dolly and they were just rolling it? I don't think they were just walking around with it, were they? Mike Sent from my iPad the links above.

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Eight guys have lifted my Pantera body with two big 4x6's. Six guys would be more difficult! I would say minus all the parts I still had on mine that six could easily lift a bare shell. Corey

On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:54 PM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> wrote:

I tied to watch that eposide on my computer (very bad sound). But I KNOW what that "scoop" is now. The Gas Monkey's tongue!

I did learn something of value, six guys can carry the body.

Joe/NC

From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 16:59 PM To: Jack Donahue; Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud

exploding zit?

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From: Jack Donahue <[1]demongusta@gmail.com> To: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[2]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Cc: "[3]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud

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On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:50 AM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[5]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> wrote:

Technically, what should it be called? A "sail" sounds too polite.

-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[6]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jack Donahue Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:04 PM To: Asa Jay Laughton Cc: [7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud

And the rearview mirror must work good too. LOL

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On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:55 AM, Asa Jay Laughton <[8]asajay@asajay.com> wrote:

Staying at Mad Dog's place in Fresno after the Silver State Classic Challenge and we watched this episode last night.

Mike, you hit it on the head. I went to bed last night mulling over nearly all the same points. I thought the install of the Ecoboost actually looked pretty good, but butchering the decklid only to feed hot air from the engine into the intercooler was really dumb. It was obvious they had no idea of the airflow in a Pantera and that became a real detriment to

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I agree, I don't think it will sell very well at all. If they had

done something different with the intercooler so they didn't have to butcher the decklid, I think it might have been a much better and more appealing build. However, I still think even then, it's not going to get near what

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I was actually disappointed in the show overall. Asa Jay

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All,

Just saw the second show.

What is hilarious is that they didn't make it a sealed air intake

from the roof to the inter cooler. It's basically just a piece of metal tacked to the decklid. These morons didn't even consider that airflow goes from

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They said they thought somebody would pay $200-300k for it. Yet as

auction time drew near perhaps they started to realize how dumb they were. They finished it late, understandable enough. They could always have entered it in the next BJ auction? But at the end of the show, there is no talk of

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Jeff--I dare you to drive down there in your stock-looking white L

model, act interested, then ask them what it would take to return it to stock! Tell

bottom past the engine and out the top, so their scoop is designed to capture superheated air and duct it to the intercooler!!!!! that. Instead there is whimpering, saying he has $100k tied up in it and begging somebody to call him and buy it. them as a stock car it might be worth $70-75k but as it stands, all

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I love the brakes though. Nice job with that Scott. :)

I grudgingly admit that the power train swap appears to have been largely successful and it certainly is innovative. I seriously doubt they saved an ounce of weight when you factor in the weight of all the turbos, intercooler, electronics, massive wheels etc so in fact it's probably heavier than stock too.

In the beginning they were claiming 600 hp was the target. Notice how quiet things got at the end? No boasting of big power numbers. You only need 200 hp to do donuts so that doesn't prove anything. It would be interesting to learn what they actually achieved--other than wrecking what would have been a lovely Pantera had it been restored, or even modified to GT5 or GT5-S or something....

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On Sep 19, 2016, at 17:20, Ken Green via DeTomaso <[10]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:

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Finally watched it. I think the air scoop for the inter cooler is overkill. The could use an air to water heat exchanger and cycle coolant to the nose. Ken

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From: Mike Thomas <[11]mbefthomas@comcast.net> To: 'Scott Bell' <[12]scott@saccrestorations.net>; [13]rfmccall@comcast.net; "'Byrd, Joseph'" <[14]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Cc: 'Pantera Mail List' <[15]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud - orange Pantera? Did anybody notice in the background early in the episode what looks like an orange Pantera in the background? And what's with the Ferrari sitting in a number of shots? Mike T. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1][16]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Scott Bell Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:18 PM To: [2][17]rfmccall@comcast.net; 'Byrd, Joseph' <[3][18]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Cc: 'Pantera Mail List' <[4][19]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Hi Ron, I don't know when the car was purchased but I know the build happened in March of 2016. Given that these shows take time to put together, I would guess they had the car well before the build started. Good observation! Scott -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5][20]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of [6][21]rfmccall@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 6:13 PM To: Byrd, Joseph Cc: Pantera Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Something that I found interesting is that while I was watching a re-run of what my DVR says is Episode 6/Season 6( which is the first part of the Ford GT build) and sure enough, the exact same white '72 Pantera in in the background in several of the shots. The show made it seem

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build was filmed much less how long ago the Pantera was bought. That could explain the low purchase price. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[7][22]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> To: "Pantera Mail List" <[8][23]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 4:12:31 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud During the design stage, air flow to the engine was considered. I read there was a concern about having an air exit similar to

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Mangusta because it would afrost overa and block flow cid:[9][24]image001.png@01D18958.40377A40 -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[10][25]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Larry Stock Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 15:22 PM To: Ken Green; [11][26]rfmccall@comcast.net; gaino, bill Cc: Email List Address For Posting; Larry Finch Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Since there is no real air flow around where they placed the After Cooler, Maybe

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Texas TV Experts, and I guess thatA^1s the way its done in Texas. Maybe our Pantera Boys in Texas need to give them some help here. Since they also eliminated the trunk storage area, they must not see the need get out much. Larry On 9/14/16, 12:00 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso" < <mailto:[12][27]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com%20on%20behalf% 2 0of %20detoma [13][28]so@server.detomasolist.com> [14][29]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of [15][30]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:

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Getting cool air to the engine seems to be a difficult issue for a Pantera if you don't want to alter the looks. Has anyone seen a solution that doesn't look like an after thought? Ken

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To: "gaino, bill" < <mailto:[20][35]gaino@earthlink.net> [21][36]gaino@earthlink.net> Cc: Email List Address For Posting < <mailto:[22][37]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [23][38]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; Larry Finch < <mailto:[24][39]fresnofinches@aol.com> [25][40]fresnofinches@aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Here is a pic from FB. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill gaino" <[1] <mailto:[26][41]gaino@earthlink.net> [27][42]gaino@earthlink.net> To: "Larry Finch" <[2] <mailto:[28][43]fresnofinches@aol.com> [29][44]fresnofinches@aol.com>, "Email List Address For Posting" <[3] <mailto:[30][45]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [31][46]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 1:41:18 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud The scoop looks

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Your, "A lot of info casually stated in the show seems factually incorrect"  could reference their, "Watch your output shaft on that wall over there." This occurs at about (9:50) into the video.  Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972@gmail.com> To: Corey Price <coreyjprice@gmail.com> Cc: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud   Overall I agree with all that's been said. Honestly I don't mind the   motor swap. I like radical engine builds and technology, but the deck   lid mods and scoop was a functional and aesthetic disaster. Alot of   info casually stated in the show seems factually incorrect.   I DO think while all those informed about Panteras like us an pick it   to death, I bet I was good publicity for the marque. I think it's neat   that the car is getting two episodes of nearly "dedicated" subject   matter.   As far as value, if the cars deck lid issues were straightened out, I   bet is still going to fetch a pretty penny. Also assuming that it's As   Nice in person as it appeared on camera. It's quite often a different   story when you see the car in person, especially on these shows where   they build them in such a hurry.   With Ford putting a Ecoboost "based" motor in the new GT, it wasn't too   far fetched idea for a Pantera. IMO.A  I'm a V8 guy but one if the   nastiest ass whippens I've had in my 11 sec cobra mustang was by a   modified grand national 3.8 V6 turbo, and that was 20 years ago. There   is sound science there.   My two cents.   On Sep 21, 2016 12:13 AM, "Corey Price" <[1]coreyjprice@gmail.com>   wrote:     Eight guys have lifted my Pantera body with two big 4x6's.A  Six     guys would be more difficult!A  I would say minus all the parts I     still had on mine that six could easily lift a bare shell.     Corey     > On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:54 PM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.     <[2]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> wrote:     >     >A  A I tied to watch that eposide on my computer (very bad     sound).A  But I     >A  A KNOW what that "scoop" is now.A  The Gas Monkey's tongue!     >     >A  A I did learn something of value, six guys can carry the body.     >     >A  A Joe/NC     >     >     >A  A From: Ken Green [mailto:[3]kenn_green@yahoo.com]     >A  A Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 16:59 PM     >A  A To: Jack Donahue; Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.     >A  A Cc: [4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com     >A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud     >     >     >A  A exploding zit?     >     >A  A ____________________________________________________________     ___________     >     >A  A From: Jack Donahue <[1][5]demongusta@gmail.com>     >A  A To: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[2][6]byrdjf@embarqmail.com>     >A  A Cc: "[3][7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com"     >A  A <[4][8]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>     >A  A Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 9:53 AM     >A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud     >     >A  A "Blindspot" would work     >>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:50 AM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.     >>A  A <[5][9]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> wrote:     >>     >> Technically, what should it be called?A  A "sail" sounds too     polite.     >>     >> -----Original Message-----     >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[6][10]detomaso-bounces@     server.detomasolist.com]     >A  A On Behalf     >> Of Jack Donahue     >> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:04 PM     >> To: Asa Jay Laughton     >> Cc: [7][11]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com     >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud     >>     >> And the rearview mirror must work good too. LOL     >>     >>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:55 AM, Asa Jay Laughton     <[8][12]asajay@asajay.com>     >A  A wrote:     >>>     >>> Staying at Mad Dog's place in Fresno after the Silver State     Classic     >> Challenge and we watched this episode last night.     >>>     >>> Mike, you hit it on the head.A  I went to bed last night mulling     over     >> nearly all the same points.A  I thought the install of the     Ecoboost     >A  A actually     >> looked pretty good, but butchering the decklid only to feed hot     air     >A  A from the     >> engine into the intercooler was really dumb.A  It was obvious     they had     >A  A no     >> idea of the airflow in a Pantera and that became a real detriment     to     >A  A their     >> work.     >>>     >>> I agree, I don't think it will sell very well at all.A  If they     had     >A  A done     >> something different with the intercooler so they didn't have to     >A  A butcher the     >> decklid, I think it might have been a much better and more     appealing     >A  A build.     >> However, I still think even then, it's not going to get near what     >A  A they were     >> thinking.     >>>     >>> I was actually disappointed in the show overall.     >>> AsaA  Jay     >>>     >>>     >>> Quoting Mike Drew via DeTomaso     >A  A <[9][13]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>:     >>>     >>>> All,     >>>>     >>>> Just saw the second show.     >>>>     >>>> What is hilarious is that they didn't make it a sealed air     intake     >A  A from     >> the roof to the inter cooler. It's basically just a piece of     metal     >A  A tacked to     >> the decklid. These morons didn't even consider that airflow goes     from     >A  A the     >> bottom past the engine and out the top, so their scoop is     designed to     >> capture superheated air and duct it to the intercooler!!!!!     >>>>     >>>> They said they thought somebody would pay $200-300k for it. Yet     as     >> auction time drew near perhaps they started to realize how dumb     they     >A  A were.     >> They finished it late, understandable enough. They could always     have     >A  A entered     >> it in the next BJ auction? But at the end of the show, there is     no     >A  A talk of     >> that. Instead there is whimpering, saying he has $100k tied up in     it     >A  A and     >> begging somebody to call him and buy it.     >>>>     >>>> Jeff--I dare you to drive down there in your stock-looking     white L     >A  A model,     >> act interested, then ask them what it would take to return it to     >A  A stock! Tell     >> them as a stock car it might be worth $70-75k but as it stands,     all     >A  A the     >> modifications have hurt the value by the cost it will take to     undo     >A  A them!     >>>>     >>>> It's probably worth $30-40k if the stock engine, and all other     >A  A parts     >>>> are included?A  :)     >>>>     >>>> I love the brakes though. Nice job with that Scott. :)     >>>>     >>>> I grudgingly admit that the power train swap appears to have     been     >A  A largely     >> successful and it certainly is innovative. I seriously doubt they     >A  A saved an     >> ounce of weight when you factor in the weight of all the turbos,     >> intercooler, electronics, massive wheels etc so in fact it's     probably     >> heavier than stock too.     >>>>     >>>> In the beginning they were claiming 600 hp was the target.     Notice     >A  A how     >> quiet things got at the end? No boasting of big power numbers.     You     >A  A only need     >> 200 hp to do donuts so that doesn't prove anything. It would be     >A  A interesting     >> to learn what they actually achieved--other than wrecking what     would     >A  A have     >> been a lovely Pantera had it been restored, or even modified to     GT5     >A  A or GT5-S     >> or something....     >>>>     >>>> Mike     >>>>     >>>> Sent from my iPhone     >>>>     >>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 17:20, Ken Green via DeTomaso     >> <[10][14]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:     >>>>     >>>>> Finally watched it.A  I think the air scoop for the inter     cooler     >A  A is     >>>>> overkill.A  The could use an air to water heat exchanger and     cycle     >>>>> coolant to the nose.     >>>>> Ken     >>>>>     >>>>> ____________________________________________________________     ______     >>>>>     >>>>> From: Mike Thomas <[11][15]mbefthomas@comcast.net>     >>>>> To: 'Scott Bell' <[12][16]scott@saccrestorations.net>;     >>>>> [13][17]rfmccall@comcast.net;A  "'Byrd, Joseph'"     >A  A <[14][18]byrdjf@embarqmail.com>     >>>>> Cc: 'Pantera Mail List' <[15][19]detomaso@server.     detomasolist.com>     >>>>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 5:13 PM     >>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud - orange     Pantera?     >>>>> Did anybody notice in the background early in the episode what     >>>>> looksA  like an orange Pantera in the background?A  And what's     with     >>>>> the FerrariA  sitting in a number of shots?     >>>>> Mike T.     >>>>> -----Original Message-----     >>>>> From: DeTomaso     >A  A [mailto:[1][16][20]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com]     >>>>> OnA  Behalf Of Scott Bell     >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:18 PM     >>>>> To: [2][17][21]rfmccall@comcast.net; 'Byrd, Joseph'     >>>>> <[3][18][22]byrdjf@embarqmail.com>     >>>>> Cc: 'Pantera Mail List' <[4][19][23]detomaso@server.     detomasolist.com>     >>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & LoudA  Hi Ron,A  I     don't     >>>>> know when the car was purchased but I know the build     happenedA  in     >>>>> March of 2016. Given that these shows take time to put     together,     >A  A I     >>>>> would guess they had the car well before the build started.     Good     >>>>> observation!     >>>>> Scott     >>>>> -----Original Message-----     >>>>> From: DeTomaso     >A  A [mailto:[5][20][24]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com]     >>>>> OnA  Behalf Of [6][21][25]rfmccall@comcast.net     >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 6:13 PM     >>>>> To: Byrd, Joseph     >>>>> Cc: Pantera Mail List     >>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & LoudA  Something     that I     >>>>> found interesting is that while I was watching aA  re-run of     what     >A  A my     >>>>> DVR says is Episode 6/Season 6( which is the firstA  part of     the     >A  A Ford     >>>>> GT build) and sure enough, the exact same white '72A  Pantera     in in     >>>>> the background in several of the shots. The show made itA     seem     >A  A like     >>>>> they bought the car and started the build a few weeks later.     >>>>> The Ford GT episode aired nearly a year ago so who knows when     >A  A that     >>>>> build was filmed much less how long ago the Pantera was     bought.     >A  A That     >>>>> could explain the low purchase price.     >>>>> Ron     >>>>> ----- Original Message -----     >>>>> From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[7][22][26]byrdjf@embarqmail.com>     >>>>> To: "Pantera Mail List" <[8][23][27]detomaso@server.     detomasolist.com>     >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 4:12:31 PM     >>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & LoudA  During the     design     >>>>> stage, air flow to the engine was considered.     >>>>> I read there was a concern about having an air exit similar to     >A  A the     >>>>> Mangusta because it would afrost overa and block flow     >>>>> cid:[9][24]image001.png@01D18958.40377A40     >>>>> -----Original Message-----     >>>>> From: DeTomaso     >>>>> [mailto:[10][25][28]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com]     On     >A  A Behalf Of     >>>>> Larry Stock     >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 15:22 PM     >>>>> To: Ken Green; [11][26][29]rfmccall@comcast.net; gaino, bill     >>>>> Cc: Email List Address For Posting; Larry Finch     >>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & LoudA  Since there     is no     >>>>> real air flow around where they placed the AfterA  Cooler,     Maybe     >A  A the     >>>>> air scoop is to create air flow to the after coolerA  and NOT     the     >>>>> engine, I would simply use electric fans for this, but theyA     ARE     >A  A the     >>>>> Texas TV Experts, and I guess thatA^1s the way its done inA     Texas.     >>>>> Maybe our Pantera Boys in Texas need to give them some helpA     here.     >>>>> Since they also eliminated the trunk storage area, they must     not     >>>>> see the need get out much.     >>>>> Larry     >>>>> On 9/14/16, 12:00 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken Green via     >A  A DeTomaso"     >>>>> <     >A  A <mailto:[12][27][30]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.     com%20on%20behalf%     >A  A 2     >>>>> 0of     >>>>> %20detoma     >>>>> [13][28][31]so@server.detomasolist.com>     >>>>> [14][29][32]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf     of     >>>>> [15][30][33]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:     >>>>>> Getting cool air to the engine seems to be a difficult issue     for     >A  A a     >>>>>> Pantera if you don't want to alter the looks.A  Has anyone     seen a     >>>>>> solution that doesn't look like an after thought?     >>>>>> Ken     >A  A ____________________________________________________________     ______     >>>>>>     >>>>>> From: " <mailto:[16][31][34]rfmccall@comcast.net>     >A  A [17][32][35]rfmccall@comcast.net"     >>>>> <     >>>>> <mailto:[18][33][36]rfmccall@comcast.net>     >A  A [19][34][37]rfmccall@comcast.net>     >>>>>> To: "gaino, bill" < <mailto:[20][35][38]gaino@earthlink.net>     >>>>>> [21][36][39]gaino@earthlink.net>     >>>>>> Cc: Email List Address For Posting <     >>>>> <mailto:[22][37][40]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>     >>>>> [23][38][41]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>;     >>>>>> Larry Finch < <mailto:[24][39][42]fresnofinches@aol.com>     >>>>> [25][40][43]fresnofinches@aol.com>     >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:12 AM     >>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Here is a pic     from     >>>>>> FB.     >>>>>> Ron     >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----     >>>>>> From: "bill gaino" <[1] <mailto:[26][41][44]gaino@     earthlink.net>     >>>>> [27][42][45]gaino@earthlink.net>     >>>>>> To: "Larry Finch" <[2] <mailto:[28][43][46]fresnofinches@     aol.com>     >>>>> [29][44][47]fresnofinches@aol.com>, "Email List Address For     >>>>>> Posting" <[3] <mailto:[30][45][48]detomaso@     server.detomasolist.com>     >>>>> [31][46][49]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>     >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 1:41:18 PM     >>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud The scoop     looks     >A  A like     >>>>>> it feeds the ZF.. FuglyA  Bill 1362 [4]     >A  A <[32][47][50]https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/     129049637149634?r     >A  A e     >>>>> f=t     >>>>> s&>     >A  A [33][48][51]https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/     129049637149634?re     >A  A f     >>>>> =ts     >>>>> &     >>>>>> fref=ts     >>>>>> If you want it slick.A  <[34][49][52]http://www.     slickpaint.com/>     >>>>> [50][53]www.slickpaint.com     >>>>> like us on facebook     >>>>>> -----Original Message-----     >>>>>>> From: Larry Finch via DeTomaso <[5]     >>>>> <mailto:[35][51][54]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>     >>>>> [36][52][55]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>     >>>>>>> Sent: Sep 13, 2016 1:03 PM     >>>>>>> To: Email List Address For Posting     >>>>>> <[6] <mailto:[37][53][56]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>     >>>>> [38][54][57]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>     >>>>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso]A  Pantera on Fast & Loud     >>>>>>>     >>>>>>> All,     >>>>>>>     >>>>>>> I am resending this screen capture from last nightas show,     as my     >>>>>> previous post seems to have lost its subject line.     >>>>>>>     >>>>>>> Please don't shoot the messenger.     >>>>>>>     >>>>>>> Since Richard liked the Nike interior disaster on the Ring     >>>>>>> Brothers     >>>>>> hack-job (at least enough to buy the thing), I imagine they     will     >>>>>> F-up the interior of this Pantera to match their exterior     >>>>>> disfigurement.     >>>>>>>     >>>>>>> Larry     >>>>>>>     >>>>>>> I am especially enamored with the tasteful deck lid cut-out     >>>>>> necessitated by the taller 3.5L V6.     >>>>>> _______________________________________________     >>>>>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must     not     >>>>>> exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [7]     >>>>>> <mailto:[39][55][58]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com>     >>>>> [40][56][59]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com     >>>>>> [8]     >A  A <[41][57][60]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/     listinfo/detomaso>     >>>>> [42][58][61]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/     listinfo/detomaso     >>>>>> To manage your subscription (change email address,     unsubscribe,     >>>>>> etc.)     >>>>>> use the links above.     >>>>>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to     >A  A forward     >>>>>> any message posted here to all past, current, or future     members     >A  A of     >>>>>> the list. 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Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Your, "A lot of info casually stated in the show seems factually incorrect" could reference their, "Watch your output shaft on that wall over there." This occurs at about (9:50) into the video. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) __________________________________________________________________ From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972@gmail.com> To: Corey Price <coreyjprice@gmail.com> Cc: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Overall I agree with all that's been said. Honestly I don't mind the motor swap. I like radical engine builds and technology, but the deck lid mods and scoop was a functional and aesthetic disaster. Alot of info casually stated in the show seems factually incorrect. I DO think while all those informed about Panteras like us an pick it to death, I bet I was good publicity for the marque. I think it's neat that the car is getting two episodes of nearly "dedicated" subject matter. As far as value, if the cars deck lid issues were straightened out, I bet is still going to fetch a pretty penny. Also assuming that it's As Nice in person as it appeared on camera. It's quite often a different story when you see the car in person, especially on these shows where they build them in such a hurry. With Ford putting a Ecoboost "based" motor in the new GT, it wasn't too far fetched idea for a Pantera. IMO.A I'm a V8 guy but one if the nastiest ass whippens I've had in my 11 sec cobra mustang was by a modified grand national 3.8 V6 turbo, and that was 20 years ago. There is sound science there. My two cents. On Sep 21, 2016 12:13 AM, "Corey Price" <[1][1]coreyjprice@gmail.com> wrote: Eight guys have lifted my Pantera body with two big 4x6's.A Six guys would be more difficult!A I would say minus all the parts I still had on mine that six could easily lift a bare shell. Corey > On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:54 PM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[2][2]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> wrote: > >A A I tied to watch that eposide on my computer (very bad sound).A But I >A A KNOW what that "scoop" is now.A The Gas Monkey's tongue! > >A A I did learn something of value, six guys can carry the body. > >A A Joe/NC > > >A A From: Ken Green [mailto:[3][3]kenn_green@yahoo.com] >A A Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 16:59 PM >A A To: Jack Donahue; Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. >A A Cc: [4][4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud > > >A A exploding zit? > >A A ____________________________________________________________ ___________ > >A A From: Jack Donahue <[1][5][5]demongusta@gmail.com> >A A To: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[2][6][6]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> >A A Cc: "[3][7][7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" >A A <[4][8][8]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> >A A Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 9:53 AM >A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud > >A A "Blindspot" would work >>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:50 AM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. >>A A <[5][9][9]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> wrote: >> >> Technically, what should it be called?A A "sail" sounds too polite. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[6][10]detomaso-bounces@ server.detomasolist.com] >A A On Behalf >> Of Jack Donahue >> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:04 PM >> To: Asa Jay Laughton >> Cc: [7][11][10]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud >> >> And the rearview mirror must work good too. LOL >> >>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:55 AM, Asa Jay Laughton <[8][12][11]asajay@asajay.com> >A A wrote: >>> >>> Staying at Mad Dog's place in Fresno after the Silver State Classic >> Challenge and we watched this episode last night. >>> >>> Mike, you hit it on the head.A I went to bed last night mulling over >> nearly all the same points.A I thought the install of the Ecoboost >A A actually >> looked pretty good, but butchering the decklid only to feed hot air >A A from the >> engine into the intercooler was really dumb.A It was obvious they had >A A no >> idea of the airflow in a Pantera and that became a real detriment to >A A their >> work. >>> >>> I agree, I don't think it will sell very well at all.A If they had >A A done >> something different with the intercooler so they didn't have to >A A butcher the >> decklid, I think it might have been a much better and more appealing >A A build. >> However, I still think even then, it's not going to get near what >A A they were >> thinking. >>> >>> I was actually disappointed in the show overall. >>> AsaA Jay >>> >>> >>> Quoting Mike Drew via DeTomaso >A A <[9][13][12]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>: >>> >>>> All, >>>> >>>> Just saw the second show. >>>> >>>> What is hilarious is that they didn't make it a sealed air intake >A A from >> the roof to the inter cooler. It's basically just a piece of metal >A A tacked to >> the decklid. These morons didn't even consider that airflow goes from >A A the >> bottom past the engine and out the top, so their scoop is designed to >> capture superheated air and duct it to the intercooler!!!!! >>>> >>>> They said they thought somebody would pay $200-300k for it. Yet as >> auction time drew near perhaps they started to realize how dumb they >A A were. >> They finished it late, understandable enough. They could always have >A A entered >> it in the next BJ auction? But at the end of the show, there is no >A A talk of >> that. Instead there is whimpering, saying he has $100k tied up in it >A A and >> begging somebody to call him and buy it. >>>> >>>> Jeff--I dare you to drive down there in your stock-looking white L >A A model, >> act interested, then ask them what it would take to return it to >A A stock! Tell >> them as a stock car it might be worth $70-75k but as it stands, all >A A the >> modifications have hurt the value by the cost it will take to undo >A A them! >>>> >>>> It's probably worth $30-40k if the stock engine, and all other >A A parts >>>> are included?A :) >>>> >>>> I love the brakes though. Nice job with that Scott. :) >>>> >>>> I grudgingly admit that the power train swap appears to have been >A A largely >> successful and it certainly is innovative. I seriously doubt they >A A saved an >> ounce of weight when you factor in the weight of all the turbos, >> intercooler, electronics, massive wheels etc so in fact it's probably >> heavier than stock too. >>>> >>>> In the beginning they were claiming 600 hp was the target. Notice >A A how >> quiet things got at the end? No boasting of big power numbers. You >A A only need >> 200 hp to do donuts so that doesn't prove anything. It would be >A A interesting >> to learn what they actually achieved--other than wrecking what would >A A have >> been a lovely Pantera had it been restored, or even modified to GT5 >A A or GT5-S >> or something.... >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 17:20, Ken Green via DeTomaso >> <[10][14][13]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Finally watched it.A I think the air scoop for the inter cooler >A A is >>>>> overkill.A The could use an air to water heat exchanger and cycle >>>>> coolant to the nose. >>>>> Ken >>>>> >>>>> ____________________________________________________________ ______ >>>>> >>>>> From: Mike Thomas <[11][15][14]mbefthomas@comcast.net> >>>>> To: 'Scott Bell' <[12][16][15]scott@saccrestorations.net>; >>>>> [13][17][16]rfmccall@comcast.net;A "'Byrd, Joseph'" >A A <[14][18][17]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> >>>>> Cc: 'Pantera Mail List' <[15][19][18]detomaso@server. detomasolist.com> >>>>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 5:13 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud - orange Pantera? >>>>> Did anybody notice in the background early in the episode what >>>>> looksA like an orange Pantera in the background?A And what's with >>>>> the FerrariA sitting in a number of shots? >>>>> Mike T. >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: DeTomaso >A A [mailto:[1][16][20][19]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] >>>>> OnA Behalf Of Scott Bell >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:18 PM >>>>> To: [2][17][21][20]rfmccall@comcast.net; 'Byrd, Joseph' >>>>> <[3][18][22][21]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> >>>>> Cc: 'Pantera Mail List' <[4][19][23][22]detomaso@server. detomasolist.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & LoudA Hi Ron,A I don't >>>>> know when the car was purchased but I know the build happenedA in >>>>> March of 2016. Given that these shows take time to put together, >A A I >>>>> would guess they had the car well before the build started. Good >>>>> observation! >>>>> Scott >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: DeTomaso >A A [mailto:[5][20][24][23]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] >>>>> OnA Behalf Of [6][21][25][24]rfmccall@comcast.net >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 6:13 PM >>>>> To: Byrd, Joseph >>>>> Cc: Pantera Mail List >>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & LoudA Something that I >>>>> found interesting is that while I was watching aA re-run of what >A A my >>>>> DVR says is Episode 6/Season 6( which is the firstA part of the >A A Ford >>>>> GT build) and sure enough, the exact same white '72A Pantera in in >>>>> the background in several of the shots. The show made itA seem >A A like >>>>> they bought the car and started the build a few weeks later. >>>>> The Ford GT episode aired nearly a year ago so who knows when >A A that >>>>> build was filmed much less how long ago the Pantera was bought. >A A That >>>>> could explain the low purchase price. >>>>> Ron >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[7][22][26][25]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> >>>>> To: "Pantera Mail List" <[8][23][27][26]detomaso@server. detomasolist.com> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 4:12:31 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & LoudA During the design >>>>> stage, air flow to the engine was considered. >>>>> I read there was a concern about having an air exit similar to >A A the >>>>> Mangusta because it would afrost overa and block flow >>>>> cid:[9][24][27]image001.png@01D18958.40377A40 >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: DeTomaso >>>>> [mailto:[10][25][28][28]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On >A A Behalf Of >>>>> Larry Stock >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 15:22 PM >>>>> To: Ken Green; [11][26][29][29]rfmccall@comcast.net; gaino, bill >>>>> Cc: Email List Address For Posting; Larry Finch >>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & LoudA Since there is no >>>>> real air flow around where they placed the AfterA Cooler, Maybe >A A the >>>>> air scoop is to create air flow to the after coolerA and NOT the >>>>> engine, I would simply use electric fans for this, but theyA ARE >A A the >>>>> Texas TV Experts, and I guess thatA^1s the way its done inA Texas. >>>>> Maybe our Pantera Boys in Texas need to give them some helpA here. >>>>> Since they also eliminated the trunk storage area, they must not >>>>> see the need get out much. >>>>> Larry >>>>> On 9/14/16, 12:00 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken Green via >A A DeTomaso" >>>>> < >A A <mailto:[12][27][30][30]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist. com%20on%20behalf% >A A 2 >>>>> 0of >>>>> %20detoma >>>>> [13][28][31][31]so@server.detomasolist.com> >>>>> [14][29][32][32]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of >>>>> [15][30][33][33]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: >>>>>> Getting cool air to the engine seems to be a difficult issue for >A A a >>>>>> Pantera if you don't want to alter the looks.A Has anyone seen a >>>>>> solution that doesn't look like an after thought? >>>>>> Ken >A A ____________________________________________________________ ______ >>>>>> >>>>>> From: " <mailto:[16][31][34][34]rfmccall@comcast.net> >A A [17][32][35][35]rfmccall@comcast.net" >>>>> < >>>>> <mailto:[18][33][36][36]rfmccall@comcast.net> >A A [19][34][37][37]rfmccall@comcast.net> >>>>>> To: "gaino, bill" < <mailto:[20][35][38][38]gaino@earthlink.net> >>>>>> [21][36][39][39]gaino@earthlink.net> >>>>>> Cc: Email List Address For Posting < >>>>> <mailto:[22][37][40][40]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> >>>>> [23][38][41][41]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; >>>>>> Larry Finch < <mailto:[24][39][42][42]fresnofinches@aol.com> >>>>> [25][40][43][43]fresnofinches@aol.com> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:12 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Here is a pic from >>>>>> FB. >>>>>> Ron >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "bill gaino" <[1] <mailto:[26][41][44]gaino@ earthlink.net> >>>>> [27][42][45][44]gaino@earthlink.net> >>>>>> To: "Larry Finch" <[2] <mailto:[28][43][46]fresnofinches@ aol.com> >>>>> [29][44][47][45]fresnofinches@aol.com>, "Email List Address For >>>>>> Posting" <[3] <mailto:[30][45][48]detomaso@ server.detomasolist.com> >>>>> [31][46][49][46]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 1:41:18 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud The scoop looks >A A like >>>>>> it feeds the ZF.. 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I think a bare body is about 550 pounds. Not very heavy. Jeff 6559 On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 9:54 PM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> wrote:

six guys can carry the body.

I think a bare body is about 550 pounds. Not very heavy. Jeff 6559 On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 9:54 PM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[1]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> wrote: six guys can carry the body. References 1. mailto:byrdjf@embarqmail.com

Engine weight 417 lbs. Jeff 6559 Product Description Ford Performance 365 Horsepower 3.5L EcoBoost Crate Engine Kit. Ford Performance has released their 3.5L EcoBoost crate engine for those that are building a vehicle from scratch or need a replacement engine for their F-150. This amazing six cylinder engine boasts a mind blowing 365 HP and 420 TQ. Direct-injection and turbocharging both help the relatively small engine to pump out the power. Ford's Ti-VCT (Variable Cam Timing) technology optimizes fuel economy, performance and emissions. This EcoBoost engine is designed for maximum operating efficiency. *Engine Specs and Features:* - 365 Horsepower @ 5,000 RPM - 420 lb. ft. of torque @ 2,500 RPM - 10.0:1 compression ratio - High pressure direct fuel injection - Regular unleaded fuel recommended - All aluminum construction - Dual overhead camshafts with variable camshaft timing - Lightweight die-cast aluminum block with six-bolt press-fit main bearing caps with piston-cooling jets - Fully counterweighted forged steel crankshaft - High-strength forged powder metal connecting rods with floating pins - Lightweight aluminum high-strength pistons with low-friction skirt coating - Tuned composite upper and lower intake manifold - Dual water cooled Honeywell/Garrett GT15 turbochargers - 6 quart die-cast aluminum deep sump oil pan - Engine weight is 417 lbs. (without accessory drive) On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com> wrote:

I think a bare body is about 550 pounds. Not very heavy.

Jeff 6559

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 9:54 PM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. < byrdjf@embarqmail.com> wrote:

...

six guys can carry the body.

Engine weight 417 lbs. Jeff 6559 Product Description Ford Performance 365 Horsepower 3.5L EcoBoost Crate Engine Kit. Ford Performance has released their 3.5L EcoBoost crate engine for those that are building a vehicle from scratch or need a replacement engine for their F-150. This amazing six cylinder engine boasts a mind blowing 365 HP and 420 TQ. Direct-injection and turbocharging both help the relatively small engine to pump out the power. Ford's Ti-VCT (Variable Cam Timing) technology optimizes fuel economy, performance and emissions. This EcoBoost engine is designed for maximum operating efficiency. Engine Specs and Features: - 365 Horsepower @ 5,000 RPM - 420 lb. ft. of torque @ 2,500 RPM - 10.0:1 compression ratio - High pressure direct fuel injection - Regular unleaded fuel recommended - All aluminum construction - Dual overhead camshafts with variable camshaft timing - Lightweight die-cast aluminum block with six-bolt press-fit main bearing caps with piston-cooling jets - Fully counterweighted forged steel crankshaft - High-strength forged powder metal connecting rods with floating pins - Lightweight aluminum high-strength pistons with low-friction skirt coating - Tuned composite upper and lower intake manifold - Dual water cooled Honeywell/Garrett GT15 turbochargers - 6 quart die-cast aluminum deep sump oil pan - Engine weight is 417 lbs. (without accessory drive) On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Jeff Detrich <[1]jjdetrich@gmail.com> wrote: I think a bare body is about 550 pounds. Not very heavy. Jeff 6559 On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 9:54 PM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[2]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> wrote: six guys can carry the body. References 1. mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com 2. mailto:byrdjf@embarqmail.com

I wouldn't be surprised if were even less. When I restored my car I took down to just the body, doors, trunk and deck lid. I could push it around the garage on the stand made for it with little or no effort and could lift the front or back up off the stand again with little effort. Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 21, 2016, at 4:00 PM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com> wrote:

I think a bare body is about 550 pounds. Not very heavy. Jeff 6559 On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 9:54 PM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[1]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> wrote:

six guys can carry the body.

References

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Only 27 pounds lighter than a Coyote? I was trying to remember what they paid? there is a used V6 on ebay with 22K miles for $3,500 and a new one from Summit for $9,500. Ken From: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com>; "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud   So 417 lbs without accessory drive and turbos, manifolds,   intercooler.... yeah they saved a lot of weight with that switch!   Julian     __________________________________________________________________   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of   Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com>   Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 4:20 PM   To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.   Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud   Engine weight 417 lbs.   Jeff   6559   Product Description   Ford Performance 365 Horsepower 3.5L EcoBoost Crate Engine Kit.   Ford Performance has released their 3.5L EcoBoost crate engine for   those   that are building a vehicle from scratch or need a replacement engine   for   their F-150. This amazing six cylinder engine boasts a mind blowing 365   HP   and 420 TQ. Direct-injection and turbocharging both help the relatively   small engine to pump out the power. Ford's Ti-VCT (Variable Cam Timing)   technology optimizes fuel economy, performance and emissions. This   EcoBoost   engine is designed for maximum operating efficiency.   *Engine Specs and Features:*   - 365 Horsepower @ 5,000 RPM   - 420 lb. ft. of torque @ 2,500 RPM   - 10.0:1 compression ratio   - High pressure direct fuel injection   - Regular unleaded fuel recommended   - All aluminum construction   - Dual overhead camshafts with variable camshaft timing   - Lightweight die-cast aluminum block with six-bolt press-fit main   bearing   caps with piston-cooling jets   - Fully counterweighted forged steel crankshaft   - High-strength forged powder metal connecting rods with floating pins   - Lightweight aluminum high-strength pistons with low-friction skirt   coating   - Tuned composite upper and lower intake manifold   - Dual water cooled Honeywell/Garrett GT15 turbochargers   - 6 quart die-cast aluminum deep sump oil pan   - Engine weight is 417 lbs. (without accessory drive)   On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com>   wrote:   > I think a bare body is about 550 pounds. Not very heavy.   >   > Jeff   > 6559   >   >   > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 9:54 PM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <   > byrdjf@embarqmail.com> wrote:   >   >> six guys can carry the body.   >   >   >   > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Only 27 pounds lighter than a Coyote? I was trying to remember what they paid? there is a used V6 on ebay with 22K miles for $3,500 and a new one from Summit for $9,500. Ken __________________________________________________________________ From: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com>; "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud So 417 lbs without accessory drive and turbos, manifolds, intercooler.... yeah they saved a lot of weight with that switch! Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Jeff Detrich <[2]jjdetrich@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 4:20 PM To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. Cc: [3]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Engine weight 417 lbs. Jeff 6559 Product Description Ford Performance 365 Horsepower 3.5L EcoBoost Crate Engine Kit. Ford Performance has released their 3.5L EcoBoost crate engine for those that are building a vehicle from scratch or need a replacement engine for their F-150. This amazing six cylinder engine boasts a mind blowing 365 HP and 420 TQ. Direct-injection and turbocharging both help the relatively small engine to pump out the power. Ford's Ti-VCT (Variable Cam Timing) technology optimizes fuel economy, performance and emissions. This EcoBoost engine is designed for maximum operating efficiency. *Engine Specs and Features:* - 365 Horsepower @ 5,000 RPM - 420 lb. ft. of torque @ 2,500 RPM - 10.0:1 compression ratio - High pressure direct fuel injection - Regular unleaded fuel recommended - All aluminum construction - Dual overhead camshafts with variable camshaft timing - Lightweight die-cast aluminum block with six-bolt press-fit main bearing caps with piston-cooling jets - Fully counterweighted forged steel crankshaft - High-strength forged powder metal connecting rods with floating pins - Lightweight aluminum high-strength pistons with low-friction skirt coating - Tuned composite upper and lower intake manifold - Dual water cooled Honeywell/Garrett GT15 turbochargers - 6 quart die-cast aluminum deep sump oil pan - Engine weight is 417 lbs. (without accessory drive) On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Jeff Detrich <[4]jjdetrich@gmail.com> wrote: > I think a bare body is about 550 pounds. 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