Folks,Clutch master cylinder leaking. How do you stop top mounting bolt from spinning under dash? I can get a 13mm closed end wrench on the bottom mounting bolt under dash, cant access top bolt. Any tips appreciated! BTW-tough to find locally DOT 3 "Non synthetic" Brake fluid. Everything is synthetic. Had to order STP brand online! Thanks again! Cliff Folks, Clutch master cylinder leaking. How do you stop top mounting bolt from spinning under dash? I can get a 13mm closed end wrench on the bottom mounting bolt under dash, cant access top bolt. Any tips appreciated! BTW-tough to find locally DOT 3 "Non synthetic" Brake fluid. Everything is synthetic. Had to order STP brand online! Thanks again! Cliff
I -think- I used a swivel socket on it under dash and blocked the wrench in the front trunk to keep that side from spinning. Asa Jay Sent via radio waves
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I use a Vise-Grip pliers on the nut, which come in different sizes and jaw designs to access almost anything. On Wednesday, March 19, 2025 at 11:22:12 AM PDT, Panteratime via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: Folks, Clutch master cylinder leaking. How do you stop top mounting bolt from spinning under dash? I can get a 13mm closed end wrench on the bottom mounting bolt under dash, cant access top bolt. Any tips appreciated! BTW-tough to find locally DOT 3 "Non synthetic" Brake fluid. Everything is synthetic. Had to order STP brand online! Thanks again! Cliff _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- detomaso@server.detomasolist.com To unsubscribe send an email to detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I use a Vise-Grip pliers on the nut, which come in different sizes and jaw designs to access almost anything. On Wednesday, March 19, 2025 at 11:22:12 AM PDT, Panteratime via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: Folks, Clutch master cylinder leaking. How do you stop top mounting bolt from spinning under dash? I can get a 13mm closed end wrench on the bottom mounting bolt under dash, cant access top bolt. Any tips appreciated! BTW-tough to find locally DOT 3 "Non synthetic" Brake fluid. Everything is synthetic. Had to order STP brand online! Thanks again! Cliff _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- [1]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com To unsubscribe send an email to [2]detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 2. mailto:detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com
Cliff, Your helper under the dash holds the bolt (I think using 1/4 inch drive ratchet and extension and socket) while you turn the nut from outside. Doing it solo would be a damn hard job. Mike Sent from my iPad
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I assume you are familiar with the brake caliper tabs that you bend over to stop the nut backing out right?... Fabricate one for the two bolts of the clutch master and install under the bolt heads to stop them turning or alternatively fabricate a plate and tack weld the bolt heads to it, no more helper required...... I think folks may be getting confused between 'synthetic' and 'silicone' brake fluids, nothing wrong with synthetic and they are typically higher performing than non-synthetic, you however want to stay away from silicone (DoT 5), which is incompatible with earlier fluids and may older brake seals. Julian ________________________________ From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2025 11:44 AM To: Panteratime <panteratime@aol.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Removing Clutch master cylinder issue-Help! Cliff, Your helper under the dash holds the bolt (I think using 1/4 inch drive ratchet and extension and socket) while you turn the nut from outside. Doing it solo would be a damn hard job. Mike Sent from my iPad
On Mar 19, 2025, at 11:22, Panteratime via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
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Folks, Clutch master cylinder leaking. How do you stop top mounting bolt from spinning under dash? I can get a 13mm closed end wrench on the bottom mounting bolt under dash, cant access top bolt. Any tips appreciated! BTW-tough to find locally DOT 3 "Non synthetic" Brake fluid. Everything is synthetic. Had to order STP brand online! Thanks again! Cliff _______________________________________________
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That was a point worth reinforcing Julian castor oil brake fluid (DOT 2) = obsolete synthetic brake fluid (DOT 3, 4, 4+) = good silicone brake fluid (DOT 5, 5.1) = bad for old cars (LMH+ should only be used if specifically recommended my the manufacturer, such as Citroen) Brake Fluid Specifications Dave On 2025-03-19 1:39 p.m., Julian Kift wrote:
I think folks may be getting confused between 'synthetic' and 'silicone' brake fluids, nothing wrong with synthetic and they are typically higher performing than non-synthetic, you however want to stay away from silicone (DoT 5), which is incompatible with earlier fluids and may older brake seals.
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That was a point worth reinforcing Julian castor oil brake fluid (DOT 2) = obsolete synthetic brake fluid (DOT 3, 4, 4+) = good silicone brake fluid (DOT 5, 5.1) = bad for old cars (LMH+ should only be used if specifically recommended my the manufacturer, such as Citroen) Brake Fluid Specifications Dave On 2025-03-19 1:39 p.m., Julian Kift wrote: I think folks may be getting confused between 'synthetic' and 'silicone' brake fluids, nothing wrong with synthetic and they are typically higher performing than non-synthetic, you however want to stay away from silicone (DoT 5), which is incompatible with earlier fluids and may older brake seals. Julian __________________________________________________________________
Trying to get this DOT chart to print (attached) On 2025-03-19 3:45 p.m., Dave Londry wrote:
That was a point worth reinforcing Julian castor oil brake fluid (DOT 2) = obsolete synthetic brake fluid (DOT 3, 4, 4+) = good silicone brake fluid (DOT 5, 5.1) = bad for old cars (LMH+ should only be used if specifically recommended my the manufacturer, such as Citroen)
Brake Fluid Specifications
Dave
On 2025-03-19 1:39 p.m., Julian Kift wrote:
I think folks may be getting confused between 'synthetic' and 'silicone' brake fluids, nothing wrong with synthetic and they are typically higher performing than non-synthetic, you however want to stay away from silicone (DoT 5), which is incompatible with earlier fluids and may older brake seals.
Julian __________________________________________________________________
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Last try, converted to a .PNG file and also attached. On 2025-03-19 3:51 p.m., Dave Londry wrote:
Trying to get this DOT chart to print (attached)
On 2025-03-19 3:45 p.m., Dave Londry wrote:
That was a point worth reinforcing Julian castor oil brake fluid (DOT 2) = obsolete synthetic brake fluid (DOT 3, 4, 4+) = good silicone brake fluid (DOT 5, 5.1) = bad for old cars (LMH+ should only be used if specifically recommended my the manufacturer, such as Citroen)
Brake Fluid Specifications
Dave
On 2025-03-19 1:39 p.m., Julian Kift wrote:
I think folks may be getting confused between 'synthetic' and 'silicone' brake fluids, nothing wrong with synthetic and they are typically higher performing than non-synthetic, you however want to stay away from silicone (DoT 5), which is incompatible with earlier fluids and may older brake seals.
Julian __________________________________________________________________
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-- Dave Londry TRGuys.com davel@trguys.com Last try, converted to a .PNG file and also attached. [cid:part1.Sklad0sQ.5WbQBMGF@trguys.com] On 2025-03-19 3:51 p.m., Dave Londry wrote: Trying to get this DOT chart to print (attached) On 2025-03-19 3:45 p.m., Dave Londry wrote: That was a point worth reinforcing Julian castor oil brake fluid (DOT 2) = obsolete synthetic brake fluid (DOT 3, 4, 4+) = good silicone brake fluid (DOT 5, 5.1) = bad for old cars (LMH+ should only be used if specifically recommended my the manufacturer, such as Citroen) Brake Fluid Specifications Dave On 2025-03-19 1:39 p.m., Julian Kift wrote: I think folks may be getting confused between 'synthetic' and 'silicone' brake fluids, nothing wrong with synthetic and they are typically higher performing than non-synthetic, you however want to stay away from silicone (DoT 5), which is incompatible with earlier fluids and may older brake seals. Julian __________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- [1]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com To unsubscribe send an email to [2]detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- [3]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com To unsubscribe send an email to [4]detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the li nks above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message p osted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of lis t messages. -- Dave Londry TRGuys.com [5]davel@trguys.com References 1. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 2. mailto:detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 4. mailto:detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com 5. mailto:davel@trguys.com
As can be seen in your chart, DOT 5.1 is *not* silicone based. Btw, if you have a genuine Humvee, then it may require DOT 5, as I learned helping to get a few stranded vehicles in Ukraine back on the road. Not easy to find in Sweden, and apparently unobtainable in Ukraine. Cheers, Thomas
19 mars 2025 kl. 23:45 skrev Dave Londry <davel@trguys.com>:
That was a point worth reinforcing Julian castor oil brake fluid (DOT 2) = obsolete synthetic brake fluid (DOT 3, 4, 4+) = good silicone brake fluid (DOT 5, 5.1) = bad for old cars (LMH+ should only be used if specifically recommended my the manufacturer, such as Citroen)
Brake Fluid Specifications
Dave
On 2025-03-19 1:39 p.m., Julian Kift wrote:
I think folks may be getting confused between 'synthetic' and 'silicone' brake fluids, nothing wrong with synthetic and they are typically higher performing than non-synthetic, you however want to stay away from silicone (DoT 5), which is incompatible with earlier fluids and may older brake seals.
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Crap, yes Thomas. 5.1 is very like 4+. My memory has more leaks than a bucket without a bottom. Thanks for the fix. Dave Dave Londry. TRGuys.com davel@trguys.com
On Mar 19, 2025, at 7:37 PM, Thomas Törnblom <thomas@hax.se> wrote:
As can be seen in your chart, DOT 5.1 is *not* silicone based. Btw, if you have a genuine Humvee, then it may require DOT 5, as I learned helping to get a few stranded vehicles in Ukraine back on the road. Not easy to find in Sweden, and apparently unobtainable in Ukraine.
Cheers, Thomas
19 mars 2025 kl. 23:45 skrev Dave Londry <davel@trguys.com>:
That was a point worth reinforcing Julian castor oil brake fluid (DOT 2) = obsolete synthetic brake fluid (DOT 3, 4, 4+) = good silicone brake fluid (DOT 5, 5.1) = bad for old cars (LMH+ should only be used if specifically recommended my the manufacturer, such as Citroen)
Brake Fluid Specifications
Dave
On 2025-03-19 1:39 p.m., Julian Kift wrote:
I think folks may be getting confused between 'synthetic' and 'silicone' brake fluids, nothing wrong with synthetic and they are typically higher performing than non-synthetic, you however want to stay away from silicone (DoT 5), which is incompatible with earlier fluids and may older brake seals.
Julian __________________________________________________________________
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Another way of holding the clutch master reservoir bolts:[image0.png][image1.png] Sent from my iPhone On Mar 19, 2025, at 4:39 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote: I assume you are familiar with the brake caliper tabs that you bend over to stop the nut backing out right?... Fabricate one for the two bolts of the clutch master and install under the bolt heads to stop them turning or alternatively fabricate a plate and tack weld the bolt heads to it, no more helper required...... I think folks may be getting confused between 'synthetic' and 'silicone' brake fluids, nothing wrong with synthetic and they are typically higher performing than non-synthetic, you however want to stay away from silicone (DoT 5), which is incompatible with earlier fluids and may older brake seals. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2025 11:44 AM To: Panteratime <panteratime@aol.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Removing Clutch master cylinder issue-Help! Cliff, Your helper under the dash holds the bolt (I think using 1/4 inch drive ratchet and extension and socket) while you turn the nut from outside. Doing it solo would be a damn hard job. Mike Sent from my iPad On Mar 19, 2025, at 11:22, Panteratime via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: Folks, Clutch master cylinder leaking. How do you stop top mounting bolt from spinning under dash? I can get a 13mm closed end wrench on the bottom mounting bolt under dash, cant access top bolt. Any tips appreciated! BTW-tough to find locally DOT 3 "Non synthetic" Brake fluid. Everything is synthetic. Had to order STP brand online! Thanks again! Cliff _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- detomaso@server.detomasolist.com To unsubscribe send an email to detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- detomaso@server.detomasolist.com To unsubscribe send an email to detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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Another way of holding the clutch master reservoir bolts: image0.png image1.png Sent from my iPhone On Mar 19, 2025, at 4:39 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote: I assume you are familiar with the brake caliper tabs that you bend over to stop the nut backing out right?... Fabricate one for the two bolts of the clutch master and install under the bolt heads to stop them turning or alternatively fabricate a plate and tack weld the bolt heads to it, no more helper required...... I think folks may be getting confused between 'synthetic' and 'silicone' brake fluids, nothing wrong with synthetic and they are typically higher performing than non-synthetic, you however want to stay away from silicone (DoT 5), which is incompatible with earlier fluids and may older brake seals. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2025 11:44 AM To: Panteratime <panteratime@aol.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Removing Clutch master cylinder issue-Help! Cliff, Your helper under the dash holds the bolt (I think using 1/4 inch drive ratchet and extension and socket) while you turn the nut from outside. Doing it solo would be a damn hard job. Mike Sent from my iPad On Mar 19, 2025, at 11:22, Panteratime via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: Folks, Clutch master cylinder leaking. How do you stop top mounting bolt from spinning under dash? I can get a 13mm closed end wrench on the bottom mounting bolt under dash, cant access top bolt. Any tips appreciated! BTW-tough to find locally DOT 3 "Non synthetic" Brake fluid. Everything is synthetic. Had to order STP brand online! 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what I do, sometimes fustrating, is put a box end wrench on the nut. Just hope the wrench does not fall off. I do it very slow and carefully. Also use a motorized 3/8" drive wrench. The box end wrench will bind with something in the foot well box. I know this is kinda crude but I have done it manky times. I guess that I am lucky in this method. Steven Edwards On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 05:50:26 AM CDT, Larry Weston <lplugw@hotmail.com> wrote: Another way of holding the clutch master reservoir bolts: image0.png image1.png Sent from my iPhone On Mar 19, 2025, at 4:39 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote: I assume you are familiar with the brake caliper tabs that you bend over to stop the nut backing out right?... Fabricate one for the two bolts of the clutch master and install under the bolt heads to stop them turning or alternatively fabricate a plate and tack weld the bolt heads to it, no more helper required...... I think folks may be getting confused between 'synthetic' and 'silicone' brake fluids, nothing wrong with synthetic and they are typically higher performing than non-synthetic, you however want to stay away from silicone (DoT 5), which is incompatible with earlier fluids and may older brake seals. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2025 11:44 AM To: Panteratime <panteratime@aol.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Removing Clutch master cylinder issue-Help! Cliff, Your helper under the dash holds the bolt (I think using 1/4 inch drive ratchet and extension and socket) while you turn the nut from outside. Doing it solo would be a damn hard job. Mike Sent from my iPad On Mar 19, 2025, at 11:22, Panteratime via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: Folks, Clutch master cylinder leaking. How do you stop top mounting bolt from spinning under dash? I can get a 13mm closed end wrench on the bottom mounting bolt under dash, cant access top bolt. Any tips appreciated! BTW-tough to find locally DOT 3 "Non synthetic" Brake fluid. Everything is synthetic. Had to order STP brand online! Thanks again! Cliff _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- detomaso@server.detomasolist.com To unsubscribe send an email to detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- detomaso@server.detomasolist.com To unsubscribe send an email to detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. what I do, sometimes fustrating, is put a box end wrench on the nut. Just hope the wrench does not fall off. I do it very slow and carefully. Also use a motorized 3/8" drive wrench. The box end wrench will bind with something in the foot well box. I know this is kinda crude but I have done it manky times. I guess that I am lucky in this method. Steven Edwards On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 05:50:26 AM CDT, Larry Weston <lplugw@hotmail.com> wrote: Another way of holding the clutch master reservoir bolts: image0.png image1.png Sent from my iPhone On Mar 19, 2025, at 4:39 PM, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote: I assume you are familiar with the brake caliper tabs that you bend over to stop the nut backing out right?... Fabricate one for the two bolts of the clutch master and install under the bolt heads to stop them turning or alternatively fabricate a plate and tack weld the bolt heads to it, no more helper required...... I think folks may be getting confused between 'synthetic' and 'silicone' brake fluids, nothing wrong with synthetic and they are typically higher performing than non-synthetic, you however want to stay away from silicone (DoT 5), which is incompatible with earlier fluids and may older brake seals. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2025 11:44 AM To: Panteratime <[3]panteratime@aol.com> Cc: [4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <[5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Removing Clutch master cylinder issue-Help! Cliff, Your helper under the dash holds the bolt (I think using 1/4 inch drive ratchet and extension and socket) while you turn the nut from outside. Doing it solo would be a damn hard job. Mike Sent from my iPad On Mar 19, 2025, at 11:22, Panteratime via DeTomaso <[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: Folks, Clutch master cylinder leaking. How do you stop top mounting bolt from spinning under dash? I can get a 13mm closed end wrench on the bottom mounting bolt under dash, cant access top bolt. Any tips appreciated! BTW-tough to find locally DOT 3 "Non synthetic" Brake fluid. Everything is synthetic. 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Dear Larry, Very interesting. Custom fab or store bought? Curious, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: Larry Weston [mailto:lplugw@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2025 5:50 AM To: Julian Kift Cc: Mike Drew; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Removing Clutch master cylinder issue-Help! Another way of holding the clutch master reservoir bolts:[image0.png][image1.png] Sent from my iPhone On Mar 19, 2025, at 4:39 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote: I assume you are familiar with the brake caliper tabs that you bend over to stop the nut backing out right?... Fabricate one for the two bolts of the clutch master and install under the bolt heads to stop them turning or alternatively fabricate a plate and tack weld the bolt heads to it, no more helper required...... I think folks may be getting confused between 'synthetic' and 'silicone' brake fluids, nothing wrong with synthetic and they are typically higher performing than non-synthetic, you however want to stay away from silicone (DoT 5), which is incompatible with earlier fluids and may older brake seals. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2025 11:44 AM To: Panteratime <panteratime@aol.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Removing Clutch master cylinder issue-Help! Cliff, Your helper under the dash holds the bolt (I think using 1/4 inch drive ratchet and extension and socket) while you turn the nut from outside. Doing it solo would be a damn hard job. Mike Sent from my iPad On Mar 19, 2025, at 11:22, Panteratime via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: Folks, Clutch master cylinder leaking. How do you stop top mounting bolt from spinning under dash? I can get a 13mm closed end wrench on the bottom mounting bolt under dash, cant access top bolt. Any tips appreciated! BTW-tough to find locally DOT 3 "Non synthetic" Brake fluid. Everything is synthetic. Had to order STP brand online! Thanks again! Cliff _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- detomaso@server.detomasolist.com To unsubscribe send an email to detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- detomaso@server.detomasolist.com To unsubscribe send an email to detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- detomaso@server.detomasolist.com To unsubscribe send an email to detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
Folks,Thanks for the tips on removing the top bolt. Im going to try and get a needle nose vise grip up in that area or have a friend stick a flat head screw driver on the side of the bolt to jam it up and stop rotating, or try a 1/4 in socket. I will see if i can put a "tab " washer in for next time I do this job in the future. As suggested , it will hold the bolt head in place. (Im 69-if there is a next time, ill be glad im still around to do it!) Thanks again for all the help! I wont be doing this job until I fix what may be ignition or exhaust leak for backfiring on de-acceleration and look into an issue with the fast idle cam and choke flap closing and not opening after kick down sequence. Choke flap stays closed after kickdown and wont move again. I think its something with the cam and choke linkage after I pushed the Fast idle cam down in error with my finger. it now seems to be in the wrong position to work correctly. Cliff On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 06:50:00 AM EDT, Larry Weston <lplugw@hotmail.com> wrote: Another way of holding the clutch master reservoir bolts: Sent from my iPhone On Mar 19, 2025, at 4:39 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote: I assume you are familiar with the brake caliper tabs that you bend over to stop the nut backing out right?... Fabricate one for the two bolts of the clutch master and install under the bolt heads to stop them turning or alternatively fabricate a plate and tack weld the bolt heads to it, no more helper required...... I think folks may be getting confused between 'synthetic' and 'silicone' brake fluids, nothing wrong with synthetic and they are typically higher performing than non-synthetic, you however want to stay away from silicone (DoT 5), which is incompatible with earlier fluids and may older brake seals. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2025 11:44 AM To: Panteratime <panteratime@aol.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Removing Clutch master cylinder issue-Help! Cliff, Your helper under the dash holds the bolt (I think using 1/4 inch drive ratchet and extension and socket) while you turn the nut from outside. Doing it solo would be a damn hard job. Mike Sent from my iPad On Mar 19, 2025, at 11:22, Panteratime via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: Folks, Clutch master cylinder leaking. How do you stop top mounting bolt from spinning under dash? I can get a 13mm closed end wrench on the bottom mounting bolt under dash, cant access top bolt. Any tips appreciated! BTW-tough to find locally DOT 3 "Non synthetic" Brake fluid. Everything is synthetic. Had to order STP brand online! Thanks again! Cliff _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- detomaso@server.detomasolist.com To unsubscribe send an email to detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- detomaso@server.detomasolist.com To unsubscribe send an email to detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- detomaso@server.detomasolist.com To unsubscribe send an email to detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Folks, Thanks for the tips on removing the top bolt. Im going to try and get a needle nose vise grip up in that area or have a friend stick a flat head screw driver on the side of the bolt to jam it up and stop rotating, or try a 1/4 in socket. I will see if i can put a "tab " washer in for next time I do this job in the future. As suggested , it will hold the bolt head in place. (Im 69-if there is a next time, ill be glad im still around to do it!) Thanks again for all the help! I wont be doing this job until I fix what may be ignition or exhaust leak for backfiring on de-acceleration and look into an issue with the fast idle cam and choke flap closing and not opening after kick down sequence. Choke flap stays closed after kickdown and wont move again. I think its something with the cam and choke linkage after I pushed the Fast idle cam down in error with my finger. it now seems to be in the wrong position to work correctly. Cliff On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 06:50:00 AM EDT, Larry Weston <lplugw@hotmail.com> wrote: Another way of holding the clutch master reservoir bolts: image0.png image1.png Sent from my iPhone On Mar 19, 2025, at 4:39 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote: I assume you are familiar with the brake caliper tabs that you bend over to stop the nut backing out right?... Fabricate one for the two bolts of the clutch master and install under the bolt heads to stop them turning or alternatively fabricate a plate and tack weld the bolt heads to it, no more helper required...... I think folks may be getting confused between 'synthetic' and 'silicone' brake fluids, nothing wrong with synthetic and they are typically higher performing than non-synthetic, you however want to stay away from silicone (DoT 5), which is incompatible with earlier fluids and may older brake seals. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2025 11:44 AM To: Panteratime <panteratime@aol.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Removing Clutch master cylinder issue-Help! Cliff, Your helper under the dash holds the bolt (I think using 1/4 inch drive ratchet and extension and socket) while you turn the nut from outside. Doing it solo would be a damn hard job. Mike Sent from my iPad On Mar 19, 2025, at 11:22, Panteratime via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: Folks, Clutch master cylinder leaking. How do you stop top mounting bolt from spinning under dash? I can get a 13mm closed end wrench on the bottom mounting bolt under dash, cant access top bolt. Any tips appreciated! BTW-tough to find locally DOT 3 "Non synthetic" Brake fluid. Everything is synthetic. Had to order STP brand online! Thanks again! Cliff _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- detomaso@server.detomasolist.com To unsubscribe send an email to detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- detomaso@server.detomasolist.com To unsubscribe send an email to detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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Asa Jay Laughton -
Charles Engles -
Dave Londry -
jderyke＠aol.com -
Julian Kift -
Larry Weston -
Mike Drew -
Panteratime -
STEVEN EDWARDS -
Thomas Törnblom